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GROWtalORdieTRYING1

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Re: Walking
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2014, 12:10:14 AM »

make a high definition video  and have the camera sitting on a bench as you walk from right to left, and front to back and vice versa. and then I will be able to view it properly. wear a mask, and make sure your whole body is in the camera, make the video several minutes long and don't rush it. walk on hard surface. no hills.

im good at recognizing patterns.

or you could just try to guess it yourself.

my guess would be stride has changed because tibia might be longer than femur. don't know.
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Re: Walking
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2014, 12:17:31 AM »

I won't guess since there is no point to it, but I will hope that it is simply a stiffness issue that will resolve over time. I didn't think it would be that difficult to find a competent specialist in Canada, but i guess my estimation of the medical system was too great. I'll try to make a video like the one you've suggested tomorrow. Thanks for the input, it's greatly appreciated.
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And it was here that he professed to his disciples: all of life's bounties lay somewhere upon the dreaded bell curve

GROWtalORdieTRYING1

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Re: Walking
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2014, 12:22:21 AM »

I could be completely wrong and I was only able to watch 5 good seconds from the second video.

but what I noticed is that your left leg hits the ground in more of a flat angle, which has less spring, your right leg uses more tibia power to push up,

this means that your stride for your left leg looks more like it is not walking but rather being lifted moved forward and then placed down.

also when you turn direction your left foot does not twist with your body but rather stays in the same direction as you twist and it changes direction in more of a being dragged with the body type fashion.

ps maybe its normal but you have a lot of arm motion going on when you walk also.

am I the only 1 seeing this??? more video would be helpful.
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Re: Walking
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2014, 12:26:05 AM »

What you view is exactly the way it feels, as if the left leg is being dragged. This makes me fear that there is significant nerve damage to the leg that is causing it. This was the leg with the paralysed toe. I agree the arm motion is excessive. The guy recording said I should move my arms more as I walk, so I probably over compensated, lol.... But even so, I don't know exactly what to do with them now. I've literally forgotten how to walk.
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And it was here that he professed to his disciples: all of life's bounties lay somewhere upon the dreaded bell curve

GROWtalORdieTRYING1

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Re: Walking
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2014, 12:35:55 AM »

make sure you eat the full 90 vitamins and minerals, and eat several raw eggs every day in order to help rebuild myelin sheath. it might work.

i know how to cure neuronal diseases that are "incurable" in the brain, never even thought about this issue for other areas of the body before.

but the biology should be the same as it is the same tissue type more a less.

cooking the eggs will denature the spatial arrangement of the proteins and change the molecular structure. so it has to be eaten raw. make sure it is organic.
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Re: Walking
« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2014, 12:54:10 AM »

Is leg lenghtening basically giving up your ability to use your legs properly to gain extra height or is it a painful and long procedure that one has to go trough in order to be taller but something that eventually will be just a memory?

LL is never just a memory.  I had it 7 years ago and a wobble here, some stiffness there; there's always something to remind me my legs got broken and stretched out.
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Re: Walking
« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2014, 01:41:43 AM »

It's really an individual matter. ShyShy claims to feel exactly as capable as before the surgery, just taller. He did say that his biomechanics changed, but he simply adapted to it. I think that femur lengthening might allow for better recovery than tibia lengthening. Femurs have more muscle and blood flow after all.
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Re: Walking
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2014, 02:11:40 AM »

LL is never just a memory.  I had it 7 years ago and a wobble here, some stiffness there; there's always something to remind me my legs got broken and stretched out.

Does it bother you when you wake up or when your sitting randomly or is it when you start running or do sports etc...? Also how is your climbing and jumping down from height more than 2metres? Thanks!
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Re: Walking
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2014, 02:52:28 AM »

Does it bother you when you wake up or when your sitting randomly or is it when you start running or do sports etc...? Also how is your climbing and jumping down from height more than 2metres? Thanks!

Nothing's wrong when I first wake up, that's actually when I feel the best.  And I don't have any random problems.  My center of gravity is higher now so I wobble sometimes, especially in off-balance situations like getting into and out of a car.  When I run or play sports, my endurance is worse than it was before, although my strength and top speed haven't suffered much.  Climbing isn't a problem, and I haven't tried jumping down from that high.
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Re: Walking
« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2014, 03:17:27 AM »

Medium, where abouts were you in your recovery 10 months post-op? Were you running and all those things by then?
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Re: Walking
« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2014, 03:46:32 AM »

Medium, where abouts were you in your recovery 10 months post-op? Were you running and all those things by then?

10 months post-op I was still a little stiff and tight.  I could almost walk normally.  I could run although I avoided it except for one time when I almost missed a bus.  It felt really weird the first time I tried it, like I was on stilts.
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Re: Walking
« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2014, 04:10:53 AM »

Nothing's wrong when I first wake up, that's actually when I feel the best.  And I don't have any random problems.  My center of gravity is higher now so I wobble sometimes, especially in off-balance situations like getting into and out of a car.  When I run or play sports, my endurance is worse than it was before, although my strength and top speed haven't suffered much.  Climbing isn't a problem, and I haven't tried jumping down from that high.

Ok thank you. Sorry to bother you but I have 1 more question, how is your acceleration?
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Re: Walking
« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2014, 05:02:45 AM »

Acceleration is as good as it was before.
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Re: Walking
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2014, 05:46:22 AM »

This study demonstrates that those whom underwent lengthening using the Ilizarov method regained all of there muscular strength and power within 3% only two years after the end of the surgery (amount of lengthening was shown to be irrelevant):
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20298828


You may still improve with time Polycrates. Are your tibiae longer than your femurs? Even a 1:1 ratio is probably pretty disadvantageous biomechanically, as your body weight is too far forward during strides, so that may explain your lack of balance MDOW.

Longer femurs are critical to keeping the center of gravity ideal for walking. I saw this in some paper on human evolution I read a while back (sorry no citation, disbelieve if you want to, no hard feelings). However longer femurs can be disadvantageous in some rare situations, which is why squatting with longer femurs is harder and also why it's easier for anyone to squat with blocks under their feet.
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Re: Walking
« Reply #45 on: September 29, 2014, 12:37:21 PM »

I wonder how much of the walking issue is due to a changed femur-tibia ratio and to what extent it is an issue of never quite healing properly.

@Medium Drink of Water Can you work out like you could before? That is build muscle and running, you mentioned your endurance is worse than before but would you say it can still be improved if trained or will you never be able to run as far as you used to?

I guess the most imortant question is: was it all worth it?
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Re: Walking
« Reply #46 on: September 29, 2014, 01:40:27 PM »

@Medium Drink of Water Can you work out like you could before? That is build muscle and running, you mentioned your endurance is worse than before but would you say it can still be improved if trained or will you never be able to run as far as you used to?

I guess the most imortant question is: was it all worth it?

Yes, I can work out like I did before.  The endurance thing only applies to running.  I can do the leg press machine as well as I ever could.

And yes, it's worth it.  Being short is way worse than occasional wobbliness and loss of endurance when running.
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Re: Walking
« Reply #47 on: September 29, 2014, 01:53:42 PM »

Yes, I can work out like I did before.  The endurance thing only applies to running.  I can do the leg press machine as well as I ever could.

And yes, it's worth it.  Being short is way worse than occasional wobbliness and loss of endurance when running.

Can I ask just one more question: Do you feel weaker than before?

Like if you are living an illusion at 5'10 and you are not as strong as people naturally that tall.
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Re: Walking
« Reply #48 on: September 29, 2014, 01:59:40 PM »

Yeah, everything from the knees up is the same as before.
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Re: Walking
« Reply #49 on: September 29, 2014, 04:23:43 PM »

It's really an individual matter. ShyShy claims to feel exactly as capable as before the surgery, just taller. He did say that his biomechanics changed, but he simply adapted to it. I think that femur lengthening might allow for better recovery than tibia lengthening. Femurs have more muscle and blood flow after all.

I think its the opposite actually, i think tibia lengthening allows for better recovery than femur lengthening. My argument is that while the muscle is stretched regardless which segment you chose, the muscles in the calfs and thighs are used for very different things.

The calf muscles are seemingly used mainly to move toes and feet as well as working as a damper for your legs whenever your feet lands on the ground. In other words, these muscles are not primarily used for movement of the whole body. The thigh/upper leg muscles however, are the primary muscles which you use to move your legs around, its from them you generate force/acceleration to move your body forward.

This means that if you weaken your thigh muscles through LL it will likely have a bigger effect on your ability to run/walk/move compared to if your calf muscles where weakened through LL.

Also with femur lengthening there is the added issue with the mechanical/anatomical axis being changed.

Having more muscle and thus more blood flow only means the healing will go faster, so the difference in blood and muscle should not have an effect on the end result in terms of recovery.

Thats what i think at least.
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Re: Walking
« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2014, 05:11:50 PM »

Well, I appreciate the feedback everyone has provided. I'm going to put to use the insight from the forum as well as people who've viewed me in person to try to improved my gait. It will be the focus of my life for the next two weeks. I'm going to take these vids down and I'll post a new one in approximately 2 weeks. I hope there will be substantial improvement.
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Re: Walking
« Reply #51 on: October 02, 2014, 10:16:53 AM »

look forward to your next video Polycrates.  gd luck with the recovery
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