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[epikness]

He's planning on getting the surgery from 181->184.8cm.
Is there anything that he should know beforehand? He's a person from Netherland so he always wanted to become a bit taller. I would appreciate comments refraining from disdain because he's completely adamant about this.
He has enough money and time.

[raku]

well it is a relatively safe goal of course.
But before surgery, you should know you would never be 100% even just lengthen3-4cm.
So you know the gain is always with sacrifice and if you a love sport, forget Cll and 181 is not bad even though people have different pursue
Besides, you should learn all the risk that the surgery may cause. And measure whether it worth the risk.

That's what I want to say with your friend.

[epikness]

Yes he wants to be a fitting model. He's a ameteur model at the moment but the height limit is 183+ and 186~193 is the recommended height.

He wants to lengthen to 184.8cm because he doesn't want to get anything that will affect his performance in life. He doesn't do any sports and is relatively sedentary. Modeling is his second job and Software engineer is his current main job because he can't get any decent modeling jobs that pay because face modeling pays very little.

I'm really worried if he can lose his running ability completely. He says that up to 4.5cm seems very safe(there are others in his modeling agency that did LL surgery in Europe). He has really good flexibility(he can do leg split in a completely straight line and use his palms touch the ground) and decent body because of modeling(170lbs/12.5% BF).

[wannagrowtaller]

Will he do external tibia?

I think totally unnecessary, but I believe he will be ok.

[epikness]

He is not sure. I think he might do Precice from Dr.Donghoon or STRYDE.
He plans on choosing the safest route even if it isn't cost-effective.

I'm not worried about the money because he has saved up atleast 500k from his work with a Fortune 500 company. Only worried about his health. Me and my sister has been researching and met people who did the surgery and it mostly turned alright for those below 6cm.

I just want to know just in case from other patients. Sorry if this is very rude

[TemakiSushi]

He is not sure. I think he might do Precice from Dr.Donghoon or STRYDE.
He plans on choosing the safest route even if it isn't cost-effective.

I'm not worried about the money because he has saved up atleast 500k from his work with a Fortune 500 company. Only worried about his health. Me and my sister has been researching and met people who did the surgery and it mostly turned alright for those below 6cm.

I just want to know just in case from other patients. Sorry if this is very rude

Definitely better to get Stryde
I and friends are planning to get Stryde with Donghoon possibly end of this year
I went to his clinic, brad new excellent facility
All on going patients and veterans I’ve known so far are very happy with his treatment
Precice just takes much longer before being able to wAlk normal

[raku]

My friend has many pictures and had done the body check with Dr. Lee.
What shocked me most is that they did not tell the 18years little girl their room was occupied.
And just said the surgery could be done.
And Elevy came to South Korea. But they still did not tell the detailed price after consult.
They showed Elevy the price only before one day the surgery. The accommodation price with diet was over the surgery fee. They just said it is vip room.

Well but what strange is that from the PT room pictures took by Elevy, just several people there.
And when Elevy want to talk to Veltman patient they just said the patient did not see visitor.
At that time Elevy had change Her money to Korean Currency before final price was told.
So she have no idea at that time. But she lost the trust toward Dr. Lee.
When she decided to leave and just took her X-ray data. They charged her 1500 US dollar for the Document fee. Besides, the body check before surgery cost her 3000+dolar.

Dr. Lee and his group should tell the room' condition and the estimate price before she flying to S K.
It just shows they want 100000dollor for Precice2 nail surgery fee and accommodation from a little girl who was rejected to go to Europe for visa and had no choice but South Korea.


https://pan.baidu.com/s/1mXSXpmkcLmfdEppMkNrMTQ


https://pan.baidu.com/s/1zQf9lh1X8SKzvLHgH6_ljw

People in PT center

If you think the price is not a problem why South Korean not America.
If you think the safety is the most inportant thing the way Doctor treat patients matters.

[epikness]

What about Mr.Paley? I heard that he is the very best in this field and has had no complications(I am not sure). He was thinking of either Mr.Donghoon because Mr.Paley had said that he was a great doctor and student. But he might just do STRYDE with Mr.Paley because he seems to be the safest and smartest choice.

[raku]

What about Mr.Paley? I heard that he is the very best in this field and has had no complications(I am not sure). He was thinking of either Mr.Donghoon because Mr.Paley had said that he was a great doctor and student. But he might just do STRYDE with Mr.Paley because he seems to be the safest and smartest choice.

Safest. How can a student be safest by just taking part in 1 year lesson like many other Doctor (showed in Dr. Paley' CV).
9years experience in South Korea(only 50milion population) compared with 31 years experience in America( 320milion population with more developed medical system)
Dr Paley also thinks Dr. Parlihar was a great Doctor and student(showed CV). While Doctor parlihar has 2 detailed dairy showing care of patients. You could compare with Dr. Lee' dairy?

Do you read my last post in your topic?

[TemakiSushi]

My friend has many pictures and had done the body check with Dr. Lee.
What shocked me most is that they did not tell the 18years little girl their room was occupied.
And just said the surgery could be done.
And Elevy came to South Korea. But they still did not tell the detailed price after consult.
They showed Elevy the price only before one day the surgery. The accommodation price with diet was over the surgery fee. They just said it is vip room.

Well but what strange is that from the PT room pictures took by Elevy, just several people there.
And when Elevy want to talk to Veltman patient they just said the patient did not see visitor.
At that time Elevy had change Her money to Korean Currency before final price was told.
So she have no idea at that time. But she lost the trust toward Dr. Lee.
When she decided to leave and just took her X-ray data. They charged her 1500 US dollar for the Document fee. Besides, the body check before surgery cost her 3000+dolar.

Dr. Lee and his group should tell the room' condition and the estimate price before she flying to S K.
It just shows they want 100000dollor for Precice2 nail surgery fee and accommodation from a little girl who was rejected to go to Europe for visa and had no choice but South Korea.


https://pan.baidu.com/s/1mXSXpmkcLmfdEppMkNrMTQ


https://pan.baidu.com/s/1zQf9lh1X8SKzvLHgH6_ljw

People in PT center

If you think the price is not a problem why South Korean not America.
If you think the safety is the most inportant thing the way Doctor treat patients matters.

I and other patients did 3D X-rays and blood check, footage test, consultation all that only costed 300 dollars at new hospital last year.
Where did the 18 year old girl get the tests done and when?
Why didn’t she ask the price of surgery if she didn’t know?
They sure did show us the price list when giving us tour of new hospital
Also the price list was on the website last year.
In the PT room, patients take turns to do PT
Not all patients get PT at once
I wonder why they didn’t take her to other floors where patients are
We all had prenty of time to tour around the hospital and talk to patients
That hospital is really packed now
Has to wait at least 3 months to get a bed especially in a group room

[raku]

I and other patients did 3D X-rays and blood check, footage test, consultation all that only costed 300 dollars at new hospital last year.
Where did the 18 year old girl get the tests done and when?
Why didn’t she ask the price of surgery if she didn’t know?
They sure did show us the price list when giving us tour of new hospital
Also the price list was on the website last year.
In the PT room, patients take turns to do PT
Not all patients get PT at once
I wonder why they didn’t take her to other floors where patients are
We all had prenty of time to tour around the hospital and talk to patients
That hospital is really packed now
Has to wait at least 3 months to get a bed especially in a group room

My friend  did body check in the new clinic in January this year( very far form city center to prevent you rent a apartment). Well they did the X-ray 3times (with shoes, without shoes) and changed her near 3000dolar. The data is the same. No difference.
When she decided do not do the surgery and just take the X-ray and blood data, they want to charge 3000dolar if you take the data out.

They could do anything they want to do in new private clinic.

She knew the price of different room price. But
They just say maybe we could arrange 2-4people room for you but Maybe 3-5days, need to change another room. And repeat.

No telling you need 3 months to wait for a group room.
They do not show the total price and only vip room is available until one day before surgery day. They change their words to Changing room is difficult to culculate price.
I have The chatting data.

My friend paid 6000 dollar for everything one week in South Korea.

[TemakiSushi]

My friend  did body check in the new clinic in January this year( very far form city center to prevent you rent a apartment). Well they did the X-ray 3times (with shoes, without shoes) and changed her near 3000dolar. The data is the same. No difference.
When she decided do not do the surgery and just take the X-ray and blood data, they want to charge 3000dolar if you take the data out.

They could do anything they want to do in new private clinic.

She knew the price of different room price. But
They just say maybe we could arrange 2-4people room for you but Maybe 3-5days, need to change another room. And repeat.

No telling you need 3 months to wait for a group room.
They do not show the total price and only vip room is available until one day before surgery day. They change their words to Changing room is difficult to culculate price.
I have The chatting data.

My friend paid 6000 dollar for everything one week in South Korea.

It’s no way they take EOS 3D X-ray with shoes on
When I did EOS there, they also took a few shots but they only charged me 300 for everything
So you mean they had told her the price of package before she signed the contract?
She paid 3000 dollars at first then why she end up paying 6000?

Anyways in Korea doctors themselves don’t talk about price things
It’s receptionists or translator/counselors task to explain about price or system of surgeries
No reason to blame on Donghoon himself for that

[epikness]

I don't know much about this surgery as you guys but unless the doctor is doing something new, every single doctor in korea does NOT let you wear shoes while taking a x-ray(idk what 3d is but just normal) and it is very illegal for a doctor to do some of the things you said within the Republic of Korea. He is leaning towards Mr.Paley but he is still thinking about it.

I think US is safer because laws are more risky for doctor to mess up. However korea media has a very profound effect. There is one patient who die from cheap surgery in korea and he doctor is in jail for 45 years.

[raku]

It’s no way they take EOS 3D X-ray with shoes on
When I did EOS there, they also took a few shots but they only charged me 300 for everything
So you mean they had told her the price of package before she signed the contract?
She paid 3000 dollars at first then why she end up paying 6000?

Anyways in Korea doctors themselves don’t talk about price things
It’s receptionists or translator/counselors task to explain about price or system of surgeries
No reason to blame on Donghoon himself for that

They did this. With shoes, and without shoes to do 3 times 3D X-ray and charged.
She has receipt if she is willing to show it could be known. Also could be known why cost 6000dollar.
She had signed a document saying if the nailed broken in the surgery there is a new Precice nail for replacement. Other thing written in document is unknown for me but at that moment, not telling anything about the room price and room' condition.

No reason to blame?
Who is the director of the private clinic? Who decide the price? Who hired the conselor?
It is a little girl under 20s coming to their clinic. How could they saying "we could manage the group room for you although you should change several times" before she came and said "changing room is diizfficult to culculate the price and you should paid for the Vip room." one day before surgery. Doctor don't tell anything about price and room condition even talked to patient Face To Face, which implied he knew something.

It is pure cheat. How could the director be free from employee cheating?

After half a hour I posted this, she had received several call from Myanmar. She is afraid because she showed them the Household Register which has her family address and phone number in the other form.

Technically,
My friend is not only CLL candidate but LL candidate for one femur. She went to many hospitals and email her X-ray to different Doctors all over the world.
 Dr. Lee did not point out one thing in tibia cause by unbalanced femur while other Doctors had pointed out. Even He saw her IN PERSON FACE TO FACE.
And want to charge the 2 legs price while other Doctor just charge 1 leg price.

[TemakiSushi]

They did this. With shoes, and without shoes to do 3 times 3D X-ray and charged.
She has receipt if she is willing to show it could be known. Also could be known why cost 6000dollar.
She had signed a document saying if the nailed broken in the surgery there is a new Precice nail for replacement. Other thing written in document is unknown for me but at that moment, not telling anything about the room price and room' condition.

No reason to blame?
Who is the director of the private clinic? Who decide the price? Who hired the conselor?
It is a little girl under 20s coming to their clinic. How could they saying "we could manage the group room for you although you should change several times" before she came and said "changing room is diizfficult to culculate the price and you should paid for the Vip room." one day before surgery. Doctor don't tell anything about price and room condition even talked to patient Face To Face, which implied he knew something.

It is pure cheat. How could the director be free from employee cheating?

After half a hour I posted this, she had received several call from Myanmar. She is afraid because she showed them the Household Register which has her family address and phone number in the other form.

Technically,
My friend is not only CLL candidate but LL candidate for one femur. She went to many hospitals and email her X-ray to different Doctors all over the world.
 Dr. Lee did not point out one thing in tibia cause by unbalanced femur while other Doctors had pointed out. Even He saw her IN PERSON FACE TO FACE.
And want to charge the 2 legs price while other Doctor just charge 1 leg price.

It’s really impossible to take X-rays with shoes on because patients has to change clothes and wear slippers before doing medical checks

Things sound so strange
There’s a patient who did only one leg deformity correction in the end of last year
He was only charged 15k dollar for that
I also received EOS X-ray data free of charge lol

I know at least a several people who went counseling there last year
None of us could make a reservation of surgery before counseling
They didn’t let us make decision before meeting Donghoon
All had to wait 2 or 3months before surgery if wanted cheaper rooms

I’ve been to many different clinics in Korea
None of the doctors there talk about price and system to patients
It’s done by receptionist or counselors after meeting doctor
That’s how businesses are done in korean clinic
In a big organization it’s same in Japan
They cannot be that desperate to rip off a girl

Is she from China?
It’s actually lucky for us if she could spread bad reputations to the point where Chinese community may stay away since that hospital is getting just too popular and hard to make reservation of even private rooms lol

[TemakiSushi]

He is not sure. I think he might do Precice from Dr.Donghoon or STRYDE.
He plans on choosing the safest route even if it isn't cost-effective.

I'm not worried about the money because he has saved up atleast 500k from his work with a Fortune 500 company. Only worried about his health. Me and my sister has been researching and met people who did the surgery and it mostly turned alright for those below 6cm.

I just want to know just in case from other patients. Sorry if this is very rude

If he’s from Netherland, why he even think about coming to Korea?
Florida is much closer to him
Besides why he himself doesn’t study about the surgery and post on this forum?

[raku]

It’s really impossible to take X-rays with shoes on because patients has to change clothes and wear slippers before doing medical checks

Things sound so strange
There’s a patient who did only one leg deformity correction in the end of last year
He was only charged 15k dollar for that
I also received EOS X-ray data free of charge lol

I know at least a several people who went counseling there last year
None of us could make a reservation of surgery before counseling
They didn’t let us make decision before meeting Donghoon
All had to wait 2 or 3months before surgery if they wanted cheaper rooms

I’ve been to many different clinics in Korea
None of the doctors there talk about price and system to patients
It’s done by receptionist or counselors after meeting doctor
That’s how businesses are done in korean clinic
In a big organization it’s same in Japan
They cannot be that desperate to rip off a girl

Is she from China?
It’s actually lucky for us if she could spread bad reputations to the point where Chinese community may stay away since that hospital is getting just too popular and hard to make reservation of even private rooms lol

They did this because she is too younge and only listen their words.
She took 3D X-ray 3 times, it is strange to all including me, but she just think it is necessary.
The unreasonable check is without receipt, only cash. They just saying cash is cheaper than Bank so the payment is without legal protection. She didn't know receipt is necessary.

They changed their words and did not tell the truth. They did not say she should wait 3 months because they know even 100000 dollar she still could pay. Selling Vip room to a easy cheated girl.
After she did not trust them they changed to save her by showing a "final price" for one leg.


https://pan.baidu.com/s/1Hy8v8FOlxKzSOn4WKJcBBQ

I am not interest about whether there is many people go to South Korea at all. All I say is just for fight for my friend being treated unfairly.
Anyway, if you think you are lucky by building from someone suffering it maybe could imply the quality of the person.

[epikness]

If he’s from Netherland, why he even think about coming to Korea?
Florida is much closer to him
Besides why he himself doesn’t study about the surgery and post on this forum?

Because he doesn't know much english. He speaks fluent Dutch and decent korean/hanja because he did foreign exchange program for 2 years in Yonsei University.
And he has many friends willing to support him in korea but in Florida he doesn't know language and visa issues etc.

He has studied but not very good at english so I was willing to help him.

[TemakiSushi]

They did this because she is too younge and only listen their words.
She took 3D X-ray 3 times, it is strange to all including me, but she just think it is necessary.
The unreasonable check is without receipt, only cash. They just saying cash is cheaper than Bank so the payment is without legal protection. She didn't know receipt is necessary.

They changed their words and did not tell the truth. They did not say she should wait 3 months because they know even 100000 dollar she still could pay. Selling Vip room to a easy cheated girl.
After she did not trust them they changed to save her by showing a "final price" for one leg.


https://pan.baidu.com/s/1Hy8v8FOlxKzSOn4WKJcBBQ

I am not interest about whether there is many people go to South Korea at all. All I say is just for fight for my friend being treated unfairly.
Anyway, if you think you are lucky by building from someone suffering it maybe could imply the quality of the person.

What picture is that?
It seems there’s a photo of a man with beard
Why she receive calls from Myanmar if she’s Chinese?

They do accept credit cards
I and others used cards, and it’s written on his blog that they accept cards for check ups and bank transfers for the surgery package

It just seems someone is talking something irrelevant or misunderstanding in the translation
Or pure bulshxxt

[TemakiSushi]

Because he doesn't know much english. He speaks fluent Dutch and decent korean/hanja because he did foreign exchange program for 2 years in Yonsei University.
And he has many friends willing to support him in korea but in Florida he doesn't know language and visa issues etc.

He has studied but not very good at english so I was willing to help him.

Hmmm Dutch is very close language to English
I’ve lived in Amsterdam before and people spoke decent English there

But anyways if he lived in Korea before and has friends there, I think Donghoon is really good choice for him
He should ask his korean friends about the doctor
Donghoon works for Yonsei University also
If he hear anything bad about him he can go to Florida

I’ve asked about him to korean locals who don’t have any business with Donghoon, their response was really good and they respected him

[raku]

What picture is that?
It seems there’s a photo of man with beard
Why she get call from Myanmar if she’s Chinese?

How could they saying "we could manage the group room for you although you should change several times" before she came and said "changing room is diizfficult to culculate the price and you should paid for the Vip room." one day before surgery.

They changed their words and did not tell the truth. They did not say she should wait 3 months and Lied about the room condition because they know even 100000 dollar she still could pay. Sold , pushing Vip room to a easy cheated girl.
After she did not trust them they changed to save her by showing a "final price" for one leg.

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/3TqmfaE

it happened after half a hour I posted and it is first time for her to receive Myanmar phone. And the criminal is big in that place. I would see whether it continue.

[TemakiSushi]

How could they saying "we could manage the group room for you although you should change several times" before she came and said "changing room is diizfficult to culculate the price and you should paid for the Vip room." one day before surgery.

They changed their words and did not tell the truth. They did not say she should wait 3 months and Lied about the room condition because they know even 100000 dollar she still could pay. Sold , pushing Vip room to a easy cheated girl.
After she did not trust them they changed to save her by showing a "final price" for one leg.

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/3TqmfaE

it happened after half a hour I posted and it is first time for her to receive Myanmar phone. And the criminal is big in that place. I would see whether it continue.

It’s an invoice of 90 day Precice Femurs package price of about 75k USD!!! Not 100k USD
It’s normal price
Even if doing one leg of course she’ll get charged for full accommodation and PT
I don’t understand what’s wrong with her and you provoking  without a decent reason

[raku]

It’s an invoice of 90 Precice Femurs package price of about 75k USD!!! Not 100k USD
It’s normal price
Even if doing one leg of course she’ll get charged for full accommodation and PT
I don’t understand what’s wrong with her and you proving without a decent reason

You should read cafefully. It it the changing price they want to save her after she changing mind.
They said there is only Vip room before this price provided.

Please Read cafully all my post in this topic before you reply

[TemakiSushi]

You should read cafefully. It it the changing price they want to save her after she changing mind.
They said there is only Vip room before this price provided.

Please Read cafully all my post in this topic before you reply

This invoice doesn’t say anything about 3000USD
for consultation and checkups or 1500 or 6000
Your number keep changing 

[raku]

This invoice doesn’t say anything about 3000USD
for consultation and checkups or 1500 or 6000
Your number keep changing 

You show no respect to other.

Read Where the number happen How the number was charged.
I have told you should read carefully before you reply.

Read all my post in this topic.
Time and Other Llers would tell the truth.

I would not reply someone who don't respect other and feeling lucky for other's suffering.

Other Llers would see and left their comment.

[TemakiSushi]

You show no respect to other.
I have told you should read carefully before you reply.

Read all my post in this topic.
Time and Other Llers would tell the truth.

I would not reply someone who don't respect other and feeling lucky for other's suffering.

Oh it’s you need to respect the LL community and explain things properly
Why the invoice doesn’t show the price of your claims
You said it’s written in the receipt