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[MissLuna]

Hi guys,
I could not find post I could attach my enquiry to.
So,  my question is, how many cms are possible to achieve in one go on lower/upper leg only? My wish is to gain 19cm of height overall. I would like to do it in 2 goes.  Is that possible and safe with external? 9,5cm in one surgery. 

[battroll]

0 cn is safe. Honestly no more than 5cm

[ThatGuy]

I've always read 5cm or 10% of the bone's length is as safe as it gets while minimizing other potentially nasty long term side effects of LL. The taller you are the more you can lengthen has always been something I've seen people say. I've also heard that LL is harder for women because they have smaller bones so I'm not exactly sure what this entails, but I think it might mean you can't even lengthen as much as 10% per segment. Anything over 15cm is pretty extreme, hell some have said 10cm is pushing your luck, so honestly I'd drop this idea of doing almost 20 cm altogether, also I'm not even sure how tall you actually are. There are only 2 examples of anyone who has done about 20cm and these people are rather extreme examples. Iirc both of them were around 5'8/173cm and both of these people wound up around 6'2-6'3 or 190-191cm. I have no idea what they're doing now, but I can't imagine either of these men being in good shape today. If needed I'll try to find their before and after pics.

[MissLuna]

I am aware of that, but I hear mixed oppinion here and there.
The clinic I am interested in, says that 10cm is achieveable in one surgery ,(5cm on upper and 5cm on lower leg)

[ThatGuy]

I am aware of that, but I hear missed oppinion here and there.
The clinic I am interested in, says that 10cm is achieveable in one surgery ,(5cm on upper and 5cm on lower leg)

Are you telling me you'd get cll twice?
I'm asking because I doubt you'll find a doctor in the states who's willing to do almost 10cm on your tibias and femurs.

[MissLuna]

My ask is more about if it is safer to wear 4 fixators at once and gaining 10cm in overall ,rather than doing 9,5cm only on lower/upper legs ?

[MissLuna]

Clinic I am talking about "offers" 10 cm after one surgery with external fixator

[wants2growtaller]

Clinic I am talking about "offers" 10 cm after one surgery with external fixator

 Its a selling point. 10 cmino e surgery is very unsafe.

[ThatGuy]

I don't think you can do 4 fixators at once. You've said you wish to gain 19cm which is pretty extreme. There's only 1 person on this entire forum who has gone to about 10 cm and this guy is an extreme example, but he managed 11cm. His leg ratio looks pretty bad because he did all of this on a single segment. So yes its possible, but is it safe? No, I'd say for the vast majority of people this is a death wish.

https://bit.ly/2SrJCrO This is apoth, I thought he went for 191, 17cm is still extreme.
I looked up greekster first and got apotho, but I couldn't find a decent before and after of greek only the mock ups.
Apparently his arms and torso were perfect for the procedure because I'd argue apoth has the best ratios I've seen
yet and this is assuming he isn't shopping his photos.

[MissLuna]

Two surgeries either way, I am determined to do it.
My goal might be pretty crazy, but I  hope it is possible.

[MissLuna]

10 or 11cm on whole leg at once?

[ThatGuy]

10 or 11cm on whole leg at once?

Kiev did 11cm on his femurs

[myloginacc]

Two surgeries either way, I am determined to do it.
My goal might be pretty crazy, but I  hope it is possible.

13cm is pretty much the most doctors like Paley will generally allow. (5cm in tibias & fibulas, 8cm in femurs.)

[MissLuna]

It is really confusing. I wonder why any doctor agreed to 11cm if it is considered unsafe?

[ThatGuy]

It is really confusing. I wonder why any doctor agreed to 11cm if it is considered unsafe?

I don't know if the doctor agreed with it, I wouldn't be surprised if it his doctor didn't tho.

[ThatGuy]

13cm is pretty much the most doctors like Paley will generally allow. (5cm in tibias & fibulas, 8cm in femurs.)

That's good for me, my goal is 10-11cm tops. I'm just hoping this doesn't compromise my ability to lift.

[ThatGuy]

How tall are you, Luna?

[MissLuna]

I am 158cm. My dream height is 177cm.

[wants2growtaller]

Aim for safety first.

[ramaka]

It’s around 5 cm on tibia and 6 cm on femurs overall if you did 10 cm it’d have to be over 2 surgeries but around the 5 cm mark you’d be pretty safe

[BladeRunner]

I don't think you can do 4 fixators at once. You've said you wish to gain 19cm which is pretty extreme. There's only 1 person on this entire forum who has gone to about 10 cm and this guy is an extreme example, but he managed 11cm. His leg ratio looks pretty bad because he did all of this on a single segment. So yes its possible, but is it safe? No, I'd say for the vast majority of people this is a death wish.

https://bit.ly/2SrJCrO This is apoth, I thought he went for 191, 17cm is still extreme.
I looked up greekster first and got apotho, but I couldn't find a decent before and after of greek only the mock ups.
Apparently his arms and torso were perfect for the procedure because I'd argue apoth has the best ratios I've seen
yet and this is assuming he isn't shopping his photos.

btw, take apos pictures with a huge grain of salt. he is known to "manipulate it". Like wearing bigger pants and t-shirt to cover the area that seperates torso and the hip.
He also takes pictures from certain angle where which enlarges torso.
There was a picture of him playing american rugby where he has extremely oversized shorts. He pretends its some kind of fashion move but we all know why.

If you do apos amount of lengthening forget ever wearing slim fit or skinny fit pants. Even regular fit pants.
You will be condemned to wear rapper-like baggy clothes for rest of your life.

Whats the point of LLing if you're going to look   after anyway?

edit:
there was a documentary by cbs 20/20, a longer version of that documentary which I cant find on youtube, where Apo in one short scene got caught off-guard. You can see his proportions without any manipulation, and believe me it was shocking.


elbow is where his torso ends.. it just looks weird even with those XL shorts

[MissLuna]

Thank you guys for your opinions.
I hope to get professional advice next year

[Trevor.P]

BladeRunner Why do you say you forget to wear tight pants and that type slim or skinny?

[BladeRunner]

BladeRunner Why do you say you forget to wear tight pants and that type slim or skinny?

i dont know if wear skinny/slim but it makes your leg look longer.
Baggy pants makes your legs look shorter.
10+10cm LL = no more slim/skinny

I dont think i have any jeans in my wardrobe thats not slim/skinny.

[MissLuna]

I found only now post saying about "safe frames" that can be performed at once, and 10 cm is achieveable during one op on upper or lower legs, not recommended, but still.

[Trevor.P]

I found only now post saying about "safe frames" that can be performed at once, and 10 cm is achieveable during one op on upper or lower legs, not recommended, but still.

This would also happen with 5cm of femur?


Sorry this message was for Blade

[Trevor.P]

i dont know if wear skinny/slim but it makes your leg look longer.
Baggy pants makes your legs look shorter.
10+10cm LL = no more slim/skinny

I dont think i have any jeans in my wardrobe thats not slim/skinny.

This would also happen with 5cm of femur?

[ThatGuy]

I thought so, I've read about apotho a bit so I'm not surprised and I've seen that gif too. Still the only thing I'm hearing is he should've done AL to even things out a bit. Then again his torso looks really small compared to lower half, rip. I'm only aiming for 6'0 or 183-184 to keep my wingspan equal with my height, to save money and avoid AL.

[BladeRunner]

I thought so, I've read about apotho a bit so I'm not surprised and I've seen that gif too. Still the only thing I'm hearing is he should've done AL to even things out a bit. Then again his torso looks really small compared to lower half, rip. I'm only aiming for 6'0 or 183-184 to keep my wingspan equal with my height, to save money and avoid AL.

Apo did AL in the end. I am not sure if the gif was before or after AL though.

Anyway no matter what, when you read something on the internet. Apo or other peoples diary dont swallow it raw. Always be a little bit skeptic. Diaries and pictures can deceive you. LL is a life changing choice. Making the wrong one can cause you years of pain, maybe even permanent.

Dont go to 3rd world countries to save money. Rather wait, save up enough and do with a proper surgeon.

[BladeRunner]

This would also happen with 5cm of femur?

I dont know.
But it will be certainly less than 10cm + 10cm

[heightconsultant]

Unless it will mess up your body proportions, safe max for femur is 7-8 cm and tibia 6-7 cm for most people. Even these numbers are possible only in case you really try hard with physiotherapy+exercises. I have seen doctors who claim to go up to 10-11 cm on femur, but that is too much trouble for muscles.

If you want to stick to safety first, then the ideal would be 5-6 cm on femur + 5-6 cm on tibia.
If you are low on budget and want to get as much as possible, you can do femur 7-8 cm, then see if that is enough for you. You will most probably be satisfied with that (It sounds as not much of an increase, but in reality 7-8 cm really matters) If not, you can always undergo a second surgery on tibia later anytime.