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[tlannister]

Tlannister I believe admin Daemon is no longer active here from a long time
Penguinn and Kilo which are the moderators don't seem interested/don't have the time to rule the forum
I have sent a PM to the admin because I wanted to delete my profile but never got answer
The anarchy reigns here

agree, sent you PM.

[Sanity]

It's worrying the amount of people close enough to average height thinking about suicide (you're certainly not the first, OP).

close to average is still as bad as midget level. Atleast there are fetishes for midgets and they stil get treated in a special sort of negative way. the below average shorties are just fcked. No girl ever said i want that guy the really below average shorty. its either short or tall.

Despite saying that i would say the shorter guyz are more seriously fcked. the below avg guys can do this surgery once and get to the above average to tall range once and for all. but the really short guy will atmost still achieve below avg to avg level atmost. thts fcked up

[6feet2isTooShort]

Mods needs to ban 6feet2, what a nasty piece of sh!t encouraging people to commit suicide. Even if this is internet and you think the other guy is joking, you don't know him and his situation. he may well be on the fence. Suicide is a serous matter.
so shut ur fking whore mouth already.

I'm not calling anyone names, but calling a spade a spade. I am not encouraging anything. Show me where I told he should do suicide. Show me. I did not.

I am saying IF you want to do it - then here is how to do it effectively. I'm actually giving advice. Suicide is nothing bad, in fact in Japan it was considered an honourable action when facing clear defeat.

REMEMBER: When you ban someone aka cut out someones tongue you don't prove this person wrong, you just admit you fear what he has to say.

And please be respectful and don't swear when communicating with others.

[Sanity]

i dont think we should hate people for being realistic. reality is a  hole we all have to live in. short is fcked. thats it. u can beat around the bush all year round.

[Sanity]

I do iphone reselling as a business at this age. I make 500 bucks profit every week. Thats almost 25k a year for me. I am shooting for 100k a year. But oh wait does this money make me happy? No. I can buy everything and do anything but is it more important then height? No. When you read my post did yiu understand how I really feel. Height is what matters to me the most. I would rather be 6’1 and reject 1 billion dollars. I like how you are handling this life comlared to other people and congrats. I really admire you for this. But some people are not the same. I cant accept it. I cant live with it. You train 5 days a week? I train also. I first started at 13. This is my 4th uear at 17 because remember I wanted to play football and I wanna get strong. I ended up benching 310 by the time my junior year ended. No I am not bull ting. Is my strength making me happy? No. If there was a drug that I could take that would cut my life expectancy for 20 years in return of 5 inches I would take it.

if u have the money, i have a solution for u. but the solution wont make u perfect and remember no1 is perfect. if ur decent looking in face(which u can improve) and have hair on top (which can be transplanted) then u can make urself an 8. u will 9/10 maybe once in a 100 people but 10 is just too rare. ok so here it is and considering ur situation this is ur last resort.

get 6-7 ll done on tibia and then about 7'ish done on femur. as ur 5'8 that will take u to somewhere around 6'2. and also in gradual steps and make sure to wear insoles during the gaining phase.
now ur main problem is already solved. but u will have to suffer in sports for sometime then if u trully struggle u can improve ur limits each day. soft tissue can always adapt with the work u put into it and diet.
improve ur posture go to gym so ur upperbody gets stretched out upwards (do spinal exercises to increase spine straightening) will make ur upper body longer, ul even gain upto an inch there and also use inversion therapy.
now build some muscles on ur chest, abs, neck and back so it protrudes from everything u wear. later on buildup ur quads.
now the problem left is smaller hands and arms, workout hard and bulk up ur arms and ur done. (u can lengthen them by 2-3cm too, both bones on each hand). if uve got a bigger face thts a plus. ur done

this wont turn u into superman, but its alrdy raising u above drastically to highest percentiles. ofcourse ul hav to make some sacrfices in sports for sometime, but it can be overcome too.

imo suicide is just easiest thing to do, but not worth it when u have a chance to achieving so much.

[InFullStryde]

@Sanity... Now that is a solution to hang your hat on! I like this advice.   Put in the work, young man and sacrifice and you can be and do anything!   If you really really really want to be tall the science and medicine are available to you. What a time to be alive, right?!   Be a story about that one average height guy that turned into a tall guy by working his tail off because he decided to be exactly what he wanted to be instead of listening to what the world was telling him to be.   It won't be easy, man, but anything in life that is easy usually isn't worth it.   Yes, I agree with Sanity! Instead of committing suicide; why not go after the dream of being taller.   Sounds like a very cool goal to have.   At 5'8 you aren't far from being tall.  Heck, a pair of shoe lifts already puts you near 6 feet.  The tall shoes nowadays are built so well and comfortably that no one can even tell the difference and even if they can tell.... they don't care.   

Motto:  You don't like it? Then CHANGE IT! And also... on another serious note.  So many people love you.  People love you and you need to be around a long time, sir.   You are just getting started and you have too much to do to call it quits.   This story ain't even close to being over. 

Talk soon,

-Dubya

[Blue Lunar]

Mods needs to ban 6feet2, what a nasty piece of sh!t encouraging people to commit suicide. Even if this is internet and you think the other guy is joking, you don't know him and his situation. he may well be on the fence. Suicide is a serous matter.
so shut ur fking whore mouth already.

HA HA HA HA “ban” what? I am laughing as I am reading this guys comments. Obviously he has no experience with life and that’s what is the funny thing. He knows nothing about sports and thats what is funny and he is trying to give me lessons from NFL. Listen there is no need for a mod to ban this guy he is a worthless   anyways I learned nothing from him these past 3 days. Read his prev post its obv this guys some type of slut. This is why you gotta get raised in the right family with the right people. And his name is not his height. He is not 6’2 he is probably like 5’3 talking behind the screen. Nobody probably banged this mini manlet. No real woman wants to bang this man thats why he switched to whoring and he gives whoring advice online. Man go fck yourself really. Fck off from this thread nobody needs ur garbage ash here.

[Blue Lunar]

close to average is still as bad as midget level. Atleast there are fetishes for midgets and they stil get treated in a special sort of negative way. the below average shorties are just fked. No girl ever said i want that guy the really below average shorty. its either short or tall.

Despite saying that i would say the shorter guyz are more seriously fked. the below avg guys can do this surgery once and get to the above average to tall range once and for all. but the really short guy will atmost still achieve below avg to avg level atmost. thts fked up

Thank you Sanity. Finally someone worth talking to in this thread. Believe it or not one inch makes a difference. If I was 5’10 I would be ok but I really wish I was like 6’1. Perfect height.

[Blue Lunar]

if u have the money, i have a solution for u. but the solution wont make u perfect and remember no1 is perfect. if ur decent looking in face(which u can improve) and have hair on top (which can be transplanted) then u can make urself an 8. u will 9/10 maybe once in a 100 people but 10 is just too rare. ok so here it is and considering ur situation this is ur last resort.

get 6-7 ll done on tibia and then about 7'ish done on femur. as ur 5'8 that will take u to somewhere around 6'2. and also in gradual steps and make sure to wear insoles during the gaining phase.
now ur main problem is already solved. but u will have to suffer in sports for sometime then if u trully struggle u can improve ur limits each day. soft tissue can always adapt with the work u put into it and diet.
improve ur posture go to gym so ur upperbody gets stretched out upwards (do spinal exercises to increase spine straightening) will make ur upper body longer, ul even gain upto an inch there and also use inversion therapy.
now build some muscles on ur chest, abs, neck and back so it protrudes from everything u wear. later on buildup ur quads.
now the problem left is smaller hands and arms, workout hard and bulk up ur arms and ur done. (u can lengthen them by 2-3cm too, both bones on each hand). if uve got a bigger face thts a plus. ur done

this wont turn u into superman, but its alrdy raising u above drastically to highest percentiles. ofcourse ul hav to make some sacrfices in sports for sometime, but it can be overcome too.

imo suicide is just easiest thing to do, but not worth it when u have a chance to achieving so much.

Oh and I know you are gonna have a hard time believing all this after speaking about all my issues but I will tell this anyway. I am very good looking. I used to be a twig but I trained for 3 years. This is my fourth year training. I was 145 12% body fat I am 13% 178 now. I am really strong. Like hella strong. And I make a crap ton of money reselling iphones. I have money, looks, strength. But I am just so obsessed with my crap height it causes depression 24/7. I would sacrifice my 3 years of hard work in the gym to gain inches in height. Money can always be made. Ugly people can get plastic surgery. Muscle could be built again. Damn I wish height was the same.

[Blue Lunar]

@Sanity... Now that is a solution to hang your hat on! I like this advice.   Put in the work, young man and sacrifice and you can be and do anything!   If you really really really want to be tall the science and medicine are available to you. What a time to be alive, right?!   Be a story about that one average height guy that turned into a tall guy by working his tail off because he decided to be exactly what he wanted to be instead of listening to what the world was telling him to be.   It won't be easy, man, but anything in life that is easy usually isn't worth it.   Yes, I agree with Sanity! Instead of committing suicide; why not go after the dream of being taller.   Sounds like a very cool goal to have.   At 5'8 you aren't far from being tall.  Heck, a pair of shoe lifts already puts you near 6 feet.  The tall shoes nowadays are built so well and comfortably that no one can even tell the difference and even if they can tell.... they don't care.   

Motto:  You don't like it? Then CHANGE IT! And also... on another serious note.  So many people love you.  People love you and you need to be around a long time, sir.   You are just getting started and you have too much to do to call it quits.   This story ain't even close to being over. 

Talk soon,

-Dubya

Ye I understand. Sanity is the best poster here so far. Getting the surgery and going through pain aint the problem. I can squat and deadlift extremely heavy and I hold the record for 2nd place in my highschool gym for the squat and deadlift. Am I going to be able to have this strength after surgery? Probably not. Am I gonna be able to run fast? No. I just hate the fact that the people that are 6 feet never have to go through any of this. They are genetically tall have long legs and weigh a lot. I may be 5’8 and I could wear 4 inch lifts and stuff but what about when I take off my shoes? I want to have the long legs of a 6ft person the long arms the long torso etc... 5’8 is short. End of story. 5’10 is decent and “average”. 5’8 men suffer a lot. I am sorry but this is the truth.

[Buddy Holly]

I understand your struggles. But you don't have to worry about it... Torso size really doesn't matter either because my friend at school is 5'8 and i'm 6'0 and we both have the same exact sitting height. Same with one of the tallest kids which he is 6'6 and his sitting height is literally shorter than mine... You should really worry about wingspan because if your arms look too short post LL surgery, you can get those lengthened too...  You must think about this surgery. It can be dangerous and expensive to do.

[taller_in_Kiev]

@ blue lunar
Chill dude, smoke some weed! That's really what you need)
 You got so much going for you it seems. And besides, you're still growing. Just stay away from heavy lifting, that's probably slowed down your growth. Start inverting. Get yourself some gravity boots. A man can grow into his early 20's. You'll most likely have a late growth spurt. All will be ok, trust me pal.

[Sanity]

I know where u coming from. I can relate. This height thing caused me neurosis too and it is demeaning to the soul. The only thing that brought it under control for me was planning and starting the work. Could've chosen anesthesia overdose as my painless way of exit from reality but that was too girlish and easy because it felt like running away from quite a beatable challenge.
It will kill u from inside a little each day until u will loose any joy in existence. Dont let it take ur head. Just plan the surgery and be done with it.
The only good thing about it which i can say is that it proves ur living in the fullest reality unlike thousands of shorties who are just fckedd! i mean utterly fckedd inside-out and dont even realise it somehow . You base ur thaughts on the real world around that you see and on logic and that's smart. You were smart in the first place to make it a real concern and then make it ur depression. But better use that fire to fuel the solution!

Now which scientist or a doctor ever said u cant get back to ur 100%. I'd like to know the name and his qualifications. That is just a myth. I know many guyz who did the surgery and came back upto 90-100%(assuming they were even using 100% beforehand). And mind you these guyz are still in love with their older legs for how long they've served them and extremely harsh on their new ones while judging in their recovery. So that number is not even close to accurate. Just claims from their biased regretful perspectives. It is the basic human psychology.
Yes it will take time but it can surely be done. Soft tissue will always adapt with exercises and diet, hell man even the bone remodels completely every 7 years. See wolf's law. I base my statements on rationals and science and not sentiments or feelings.

There are people maybe less than 1% who even die in this surgery due to FE but then there are who die at 29 perfectly healthy walking dwn the street. There are ppl who recover only 70-80% after ll but then there are who recover ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. It can only be known if u test it out urself. And it will depend on person more than it depends on the doctor.

[Sanity]

I understand your struggles. But you don't have to worry about it... Torso size really doesn't matter either because my friend at school is 5'8 and i'm 6'0 and we both have the same exact sitting height. Same with one of the tallest kids which he is 6'6 and his sitting height is literally shorter than mine... You should really worry about wingspan because if your arms look too short post LL surgery, you can get those lengthened too...  You must think about this surgery. It can be dangerous and expensive to do.

yea thats wat i thaught too but if he bulks up his arms he wont need to lengthen them. Is thinking too harsh about this because it all can be fixed. hell if u was 5'5 or even 5'6 i might not be able to lay out much solutions but in this case its all fixable luckily to u being 5'8. fckedz and realisez itz but also blessed but doesn't understandz itz.

[6feet2isTooShort]

HA HA HA HA “ban” what? I am laughing as I am reading this guys comments. Obviously he has no experience with life and that’s what is the funny thing. He knows nothing about sports and thats what is funny and he is trying to give me lessons from NFL. Listen there is no need for a mod to ban this guy he is a worthless   anyways I learned nothing from him these past 3 days. Read his prev post its obv this guys some type of slut. This is why you gotta get raised in the right family with the right people. And his name is not his height. He is not 6’2 he is probably like 5’3 talking behind the screen. Nobody probably banged this mini manlet. No real woman wants to bang this man thats why he switched to whoring and he gives whoring advice online. Man go fk yourself really. fk off from this thread nobody needs ur garbage ash here.

Who hurt you lol? You would never admit that a tall guy can be such an   and he still is winning at life. I can already see you hamstering "B-but no w-way that this guy, who lucked at IDEAL HEIGHT, is h-here on our sacred f-forums and being such an  ...no, it-it, it just can't be..."

Guess what, sunshine, I'm tall, ripped, not an incel, not a virgin, have long term relationships with attractive, TALL girls and I still want to max out my height. And yes, I may be cynical, but I speak the truth.

[Blue Lunar]

@ blue lunar
Chill dude, smoke some weed! That's really what you need)
 You got so much going for you it seems. And besides, you're still growing. Just stay away from heavy lifting, that's probably slowed down your growth. Start inverting. Get yourself some gravity boots. A man can grow into his early 20's. You'll most likely have a late growth spurt. All will be ok, trust me pal.

he he he thanks for the advice man. My friends always smoke weed and vape and   but never have I ever touched it. I am healthy. I will find some other solution that would relieve me just a bit

[Blue Lunar]

I understand your struggles. But you don't have to worry about it... Torso size really doesn't matter either because my friend at school is 5'8 and i'm 6'0 and we both have the same exact sitting height. Same with one of the tallest kids which he is 6'6 and his sitting height is literally shorter than mine... You should really worry about wingspan because if your arms look too short post LL surgery, you can get those lengthened too...  You must think about this surgery. It can be dangerous and expensive to do.

I mean ok I understand what you mean but I don’t wanna lengthen my legs 4 full inches. That would be funny and disproportionate. Think bout it I am 5’8 and if my torso was 2 inches taller and my legs were 2 inches taller thats 4 inches plus (aka 6’0) I just wanna be proportional

[Blue Lunar]

Who hurt you lol? You would never admit that a tall guy can be such an   and he still is winning at life. I can already see you hamstering "B-but no w-way that this guy, who lucked at IDEAL HEIGHT, is h-here on our sacred f-forums and being such an  ...no, it-it, it just can't be..."

Guess what, sunshine, I'm tall, ripped, not an incel, not a virgin, have long term relationships with attractive, TALL girls and I still want to max out my height. And yes, I may be cynical, but I speak the truth.

Nobody gives a crap if you are 6’2. Chances are you are not. You having nothing to do but coming on this short ppl forum proves you got no life if u are actually that tall. You are indeed a troll, keyboard warrior etc... you are better off playing with children because this website is for people that need help and advice. We are not here to speak to idiots. That girl that you have a relation with is a slut. You are a slut. I may not be as tall as you but at least I am not as mentally ill as you are. You wanna get ll to be taller then 6’2 YOU are the guy that needs help.

[Blue Lunar]

I know where u coming from. I can relate. This height thing caused me neurosis too and it is demeaning to the soul. The only thing that brought it under control for me was planning and starting the work. Could've chosen anesthesia overdose as my painless way of exit from reality but that was too girlish and easy because it felt like running away from quite a beatable challenge.
It will kill u from inside a little each day until u will loose any joy in existence. Dont let it take ur head. Just plan the surgery and be done with it.
The only good thing about it which i can say is that it proves ur living in the fullest reality unlike thousands of shorties who are just fkedd! i mean utterly fkedd inside-out and dont even realise it somehow . You base ur thaughts on the real world around that you see and on logic and that's smart. You were smart in the first place to make it a real concern and then make it ur depression. But better use that fire to fuel the solution!

Now which scientist or a doctor ever said u cant get back to ur 100%. I'd like to know the name and his qualifications. That is just a myth. I know many guyz who did the surgery and came back upto 90-100%(assuming they were even using 100% beforehand). And mind you these guyz are still in love with their older legs for how long they've served them and extremely harsh on their new ones while judging in their recovery. So that number is not even close to accurate. Just claims from their biased regretful perspectives. It is the basic human psychology.
Yes it will take time but it can surely be done. Soft tissue will always adapt with exercises and diet, hell man even the bone remodels completely every 7 years. See wolf's law. I base my statements on rationals and science and not sentiments or feelings.

There are people maybe less than 1% who even die in this surgery due to FE but then there are who die at 29 perfectly healthy walking dwn the street. There are ppl who recover only 70-80% after ll but then there are who recover ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. It can only be known if u test it out urself. And it will depend on person more than it depends on the doctor.

Hey sanity how tall are you. I dont know if the website lists peoples stats here or not.

[Sanity]

Hey sanity how tall are you. I dont know if the website lists peoples stats here or not.

exactly as tall as u

[ramaka]

You’d be surprised bro some people who have lengthened 4 inches still look ok not many people outside of the ll community would actually know you’ve lengthened

[MO_INCHES]

Ye I understand. Sanity is the best poster here so far. Getting the surgery and going through pain aint the problem. I can squat and deadlift extremely heavy and I hold the record for 2nd place in my highschool gym for the squat and deadlift. Am I going to be able to have this strength after surgery? Probably not. Am I gonna be able to run fast? No. I just hate the fact that the people that are 6 feet never have to go through any of this. They are genetically tall have long legs and weigh a lot. I may be 5’8 and I could wear 4 inch lifts and stuff but what about when I take off my shoes? I want to have the long legs of a 6ft person the long arms the long torso etc... 5’8 is short. End of story. 5’10 is decent and “average”. 5’8 men suffer a lot. I am sorry but this is the truth.

if you get the surgery and arm lengthening surgery then you sit above the average U.S. height for men. You would look proportionate and your height or proportions wouldn't stop you from achieving anything you want in life. Almost half the population is your height and many of them live fulfilled lives with fulfilled self-esteem. People find anything they can to blame themselves for why they won't be successful. It's not over for you. You may have to work harder than those that were born with it but you'll appeciate it more than them and look no different, maybe 1/2" shorter torso and if you let that comparison stop you that fk off youre so negative damn.

[wants2growtaller]

Being short is a social disadvantage. Because shortness is stigmatized and seen as inferior. And the negative social impacts of shortness is why a lot of people are doing CLL. Being short in this world means you get treated with less respect, you are seen as inferior, you are seen as subhuman, you are not considered attractive..less friends and less dating opportunities. Its a social disadvantage because short people are treated like they are inferior.