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I am a 170cm male.
« on: July 18, 2024, 08:46:20 PM »

I am a 170cm male.

My femur is 45 cm long and my tibia is 35 cm long.

Wingspan is 170cm.

I want to be about 5~6cm taller.

Do you think I should lengthen the tibia or the femur?
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2024, 08:50:51 PM »

penis is better  :D
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2024, 02:21:32 PM »

Where are you from? If you are not like -2sd of the average height of your country this surgery is not that worthy. If you are average then just forget about this surgery. I don't recommend those whose heights do not impact thoroughly negatively on their lives.
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2024, 02:52:51 PM »

Where are you from? If you are not like -2sd of the average height of your country this surgery is not that worthy. If you are average then just forget about this surgery. I don't recommend those whose heights do not impact thoroughly negatively on their lives.

The average height of men in my country is around 174~175cm.
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2024, 04:34:38 PM »

I agree with the others. :)
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2024, 02:34:40 AM »

I am a 170cm male.

My femur is 45 cm long and my tibia is 35 cm long.

Wingspan is 170cm.

I want to be about 5~6cm taller.

Do you think I should lengthen the tibia or the femur?

Your femurs are already pretty long relative to your tibia so you should probably go with tibia if you must.

Given that your wingspan is already the same as your height, you could probably get away with 3-4cm but by the time you're 175/5'9, you're at a 5cm wingspan deficit at just 175. I think it probably starts to get noticeable after that. Not sure though. Maybe others who've done it can chime in.
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2024, 05:32:20 PM »

According to most people in the proportion section, up to 7 cm above your wingspan is acceptable and not really that noticeable.

I honestly think it depends on your build and torso size as well. The smaller and thinner you are to begin with, the less you can lengthen without it looking off. Again this is just what I have observed, since this matter is subjective.
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2024, 11:20:35 PM »

How do you measure your tibia and femur? If it was not with traditional xray or dexa scan it is very difficult to be accurate, btw tibia:femur ratio is usually .8 +-.02

what is your height true inseam not pants inseam  ?
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2024, 11:34:48 PM »

According to most people in the proportion section, up to 7 cm above your wingspan is acceptable and not really that noticeable.

I honestly think it depends on your build and torso size as well. The smaller and thinner you are to begin with, the less you can lengthen without it looking off. Again this is just what I have observed, since this matter is subjective.

I'm ~168 with a 175 wingspan. Are you saying that I can get away with heightening to 180cm without my 5cm wingspan deficit being noticeable?
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2024, 05:07:50 AM »

Your arms will look shorter the more you lengthen, there's no question about it. Unless your arm length is ridiculously long for your natural height, you won't look normal past 4 inches of LL. And, most guys have normal arm length for their natural height, therefore, they must be aware that they won't look natural after significant lengthening of legs.

IMO, measure your leg-to-body ratio and try not to exceed 0.52 post-LL. That's the highest I'd go with (only if I was really short like 5'2 and needed to max out on 2 LL procedures). Otherwise, any guy starting from 5'5 who wants to get double LL for 2 main reasons: 1. height gain and 2. boosting proportions between rather short legs and long torso should calculate his arm length, leg length, torso length and lengthen within the safe limits. Anything past 2 inches per segment will look bad and requires another LL to fix the proportions.

So, if the need is more than 2 inches, double LL is necessary at this point. IMO, 4 cm in tibia and 5 cm in femur is enough and won't look bad unless having ridiculously long legs and short torso (with short arms) before LL. 9 cm is enough height gain if one is at least 165 cm of height.
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2024, 03:58:30 PM »

Yea you should probably stay within 5CM, if you care about proportions.
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2024, 04:55:42 PM »

You have a difficult t/f ratio to do just one LL. You will need to do two if you want to lengthen 5cm.

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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2024, 04:34:15 AM »


IMO, measure your leg-to-body ratio and try not to exceed 0.52 post-LL. That's the highest I'd go with (only if I was really short like 5'2 and needed to max out on 2 LL procedures).


How are the legs measured for this ratio? Searched online and got multiple different answers
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2024, 08:26:55 PM »

he say 0.52 than ratio is most likely ¨Hip height¨ / total height

(length from greater trochanter landmark to the floor /  total height)

PS: please correct me if wrong
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2024, 08:31:49 PM »

Leg-to-body ratio means total leg length (measured tibia bone length + measured femur bone length on x-rays) divided by total body height from head to toe.
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2024, 11:13:20 PM »

I am a 170cm male.

My femur is 45 cm long and my tibia is 35 cm long.

Wingspan is 170cm.

I want to be about 5~6cm taller.

Do you think I should lengthen the tibia or the femur?
If you have plenty of money go for internal femurs.
If not, go for external tibias. Simple as that.
Everything else about proportions etc are plain bs. If you stick to 7cm on femurs or 6 on tibias you won't look bad no matter what are your exact initial proportions.
If you do huge amounts like 10cm on femurs then you'll look weird again no matter what were your initial proportions.
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2024, 02:07:21 AM »

agree with you, some people ask such a weird questions that don't make sense in general.
New guys, listen this dude if you need a good advice, he know what he is talking about  ;)
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2024, 07:16:00 AM »

7 cm on femurs will look terrible. Most guys have longer femurs than tibia and even 5 cm lengthening on femurs will produce weird disproportion between lower and upper legs. I've seen nked results of femur-only lengthening cases and above 5 cm looks terrible in most cases.

Most results people post are with clothes on so it skews the perception of how they really look post lengthening. Believe me, you won't like your body after 3 inches of femur lengthening.

If you want to gain 5 cm and don't plan doing another LL, go for tibia only. If the goal is more than 5 cm, then you have to do double LL no matter you want it or not. If you can't afford double LL, then either don't do LL at all or do only external tibia up to 2 inches only.

And, most femur LL patients who did more than 2 inches do the tibia in the end too or wish they had the funds to do it because of severe disproportion and biomechanics issues that arises after 3 inches of femur LL.
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2024, 12:35:19 PM »

I am a 170cm male.

My femur is 45 cm long and my tibia is 35 cm long.

Wingspan is 170cm.

I want to be about 5~6cm taller.

Do you think I should lengthen the tibia or the femur?

Your wingspan is pretty short.
I was 1.71 m, with 1.78 wingspan, so I got a good final proportion after 12 cm gain.
Just look to your picture in swimsuit and watch which part looks short and do it. Some people has too long femur, others too long tibia... so just look at yourself.
Be carefully, femur should be always longer than tibia !
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Re: I am a 170cm male.
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2024, 12:39:02 PM »

Yeah, I too think that above 2 inches of wingspan is the limit to look acceptable, but up to 3 inches can be done if more height is needed. More than 3 inches and it will look retarded IMO.
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« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2024, 12:53:52 PM »

Yeah, they have no idea what is about... but hopefully good doctors stop their st-upid impetus and calm them down...
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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2024, 09:30:05 PM »

Caring about wingspan proportions is just a joke. This only shows some of the people here are either not really short or don't take this surgery seriously, in my honest opinion.
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« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2024, 10:49:39 PM »

Caring about wingspan proportions is just a joke. This only shows some of the people here are either not really short or don't take this surgery seriously, in my honest opinion.

Of course being too autistic about wingspan and proportions is kinda ridiculous when we're talking about gaining height through LL which only increases leg length and not makes one grow proportionally like in puberty but there's a certain limit where if one exceeds that limit he will look bad in the end. That's why it's important to take quantitative measurements like wingspan and leg-to-body ratio into account and don't exceed too much of what is considered normal and acceptable proportions.

There's no doubt that 20 cm is too much for anyone, we all can agree upon that I hope. But, as I said in my previous post, 15 cm can be done if one is determined and his starting body proportions allow it. More than 15 or 16 cm is not only dangerous but is a joke unless one has dwarvish legs to begin with.

Going up to 8 cm of wingspan is more or less acceptable and not that obvious but anything above 8 cm will start to look suspicious. But, again, it depends on patient cases, like, for example, if one is comically short and needs to sacrifice acceptable proportions in order to reach normal height, then it's justifiable to disregard the wingspan aspect and look like a t-rex post huge amounts of LL. But, when we're talking about cosmetic (i.e. physical enhancement in order to look more attractive) cases of LL where one seeks increased height in order to become more attractive to opposite gender, disregarding the proportions aspect defies the purpose entirely as there's no point lengthening huge amounts if in the end you'll look like a freak and repulsive to opposite gender.
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« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2024, 11:50:05 AM »

It doesn't have to look perfect and it doesn't even have to look 'natural', it just has to overall make you more attractive than being shorter but with 'better proportions' does.

More height is pretty much always going to be more attractive than better proportions unless you already started at 5ft 10+.

Start at say 5 ft 5, and doing 6 inches to now be a 5ft 11 't-rex' is still much better than only doing 2 inches and 'maintaining a good wingspan ratio' or whatever. No one is saying it's as good as being 5ft 11 naturally but that isn't one of the options on the table, it's either bad proportions, or remain short.

If you already started at 5ft 10+ it's a consideration but that's only because the marginal benefits of extra height will taper off considerably after only a 2 inch gain and past 4 inches isn't a benefit at all.
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« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2024, 12:08:01 PM »

I can agree that it could look kind of odd if you overlengthen too much, but that almost never happens in practice (so far as I've heard). Even with already longer legs, people could get away with 25 cm without looking freakish. Yes, it looks kindly feminizing having those proportions, but there's no other choice to lengthen spine as well for now. Furthermore, if you lengthen above 185+, tall people naturally have high proportion variations and there are plenty of tall people that are like 65% legs. But that requires you to lengthen arms as well in this exceptional case.
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« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2024, 01:14:58 PM »

I can agree that it could look kind of odd if you overlengthen too much, but that almost never happens in practice (so far as I've heard). Even with already longer legs, people could get away with 25 cm without looking freakish. Yes, it looks kindly feminizing having those proportions, but there's no other choice to lengthen spine as well for now. Furthermore, if you lengthen above 185+, tall people naturally have high proportion variations and there are plenty of tall people that are like 65% legs. But that requires you to lengthen arms as well in this exceptional case.

No, man, 25 cm is too much, even 20 cm is too much. 16 cm is enough if one is so desperate to squeeze off every cm possible with 2 surgeries (10 cm LON femur and 6 cm LON or external only tibia).

25 cm will not only screw leg-to-arm ratio but also leg-to-torso ratio to a comical degree. Every woman will get turned off immediately once you take off your clothes and reveal your freakish body proportions.

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It doesn't have to look perfect and it doesn't even have to look 'natural', it just has to overall make you more attractive than being shorter but with 'better proportions' does.

More height is pretty much always going to be more attractive than better proportions unless you already started at 5ft 10+.

Start at say 5 ft 5, and doing 6 inches to now be a 5ft 11 't-rex' is still much better than only doing 2 inches and 'maintaining a good wingspan ratio' or whatever. No one is saying it's as good as being 5ft 11 naturally but that isn't one of the options on the table, it's either bad proportions, or remain short.

If you already started at 5ft 10+ it's a consideration but that's only because the marginal benefits of extra height will taper off considerably after only a 2 inch gain and past 4 inches isn't a benefit at all.

I agree that when doing double LL at a starting height of at least 5'5 (lowest normal male height) it makes sense to lengthen the upper safe limit (6 inches) in order to become above average height. Strong 180 cm barefoot is low end of tall height (noticeable above average in the west) but nothing special indeed. At least it's not considered average height even if it's marginally higher than average and barely qualifies as a tall height.

Given that I'm hovering between 165-167 cm throughout the day, I need to lengthen 15 cm in order to break that average height barrier and become a bit taller than average. My wingspan is 174-176 cm range (depending how much I stretch). I know that it won't look perfect after 15 cm of double LL but it won't be t-rex level either. My arm length is 73 cm from acromion to middle finger and that's with a 17.5 cm hands which is very small so if I had at least 20 cm hand length my arm length would have been 75.5 cm. Average arm length for 180 cm white man is about 78 cm long so I will have 5 cm shorter arms which is noticeable but not detrimental either.

If I lengthen 10-12 cm, I will stand at exactly average height at 175-177 cm range which is not a failo but is not enough to appear tall with 4 cm Air Maxes for example. At a strong 180 cm another 2, 2.5 cm boost from shoes is enough to appear visibly taller than the average male, especially with long legs from double LL of 15 cm.

Unfortunately, some guys have a really bad starting proportions for such a huge amount of lengthening, i.e. small torso, narrow shoulders, small skull, short and frail arms...

Meck looks tall after he gained muscles in his legs, although his arms are a bit short proportionally for his new height and his long legs. It's miles better than his old height of 163-164 cm indeed, but 16 cm is something that only a few could accomplish with 2 surgeries and is a dangerous goal. At least 14 cm is realistic with 8 cm femur and 6 cm tibia and it's enough IMO.
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« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2024, 06:32:39 PM »

No, man, 25 cm is too much, even 20 cm is too much. 16 cm is enough if one is so desperate to squeeze off every cm possible with 2 surgeries (10 cm LON femur and 6 cm LON or external only tibia).

25 cm will not only screw leg-to-arm ratio but also leg-to-torso ratio to a comical degree. Every woman will get turned off immediately once you take off your clothes and reveal your freakish body proportions.

I don't know whether there exists an objective standard for what looks freakish. I myself am determined to do four surgeries 1.5 years apart to achieve my goal, and after mock-ups I feel I look just fine even though I have relatively long legs to begin with. No women would reject a tall man based on his leg to torso ratio, most women would reject a short man however ideal his proportions are.

It is comical how people are actually willing to spend lots of money for LL only to get like 3 inch difference (which let's be realistic, is barely noticeable). If you are going through this pain, you might as well make it worth the struggle and the money you put in.
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« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2024, 06:56:11 PM »

I don't know whether there exists an objective standard for what looks freakish. I myself am determined to do four surgeries 1.5 years apart to achieve my goal, and after mock-ups I feel I look just fine even though I have relatively long legs to begin with. No women would reject a tall man based on his leg to torso ratio, most women would reject a short man however ideal his proportions are.

It is comical how people are actually willing to spend lots of money for LL only to get like 3 inch difference (which let's be realistic, is barely noticeable). If you are going through this pain, you might as well make it worth the struggle and the money you put in.

I bet most women will reject freakish looking man no matter how tall he might be the same way they reject short men. Women not only value height but also physical symmetry, proportions and harmony.

And, 3 inches you get from femur LL is very noticeable height increase, although not dramatic or towering indeed. One can also lengthen his tibia later for 2 inches and stand 5 inches taller which is significant height increase.

This is your 5 inch height difference:

https://ibb.co/gm6J7gM

And, unless one is shorter than 5'5, 5 inches is enough to stand at a solid 5'10 which is not a bad height and no women will think that at solid 5'10 a man is short and undesirable. If someone rejects a man who is 5'10, even if the woman explicitly mentions his height for a reason, 99.99% times it's an excuse and the real reason is different and not the height.

It's just physically dangerous to do more than 3 inches on femur and more than 2 inches on tibia unless you rebreak them, which is crazy as you not only lose insane amount of money but also many years of your life too.
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« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2024, 10:11:02 PM »



It's just physically dangerous to do more than 3 inches on femur and more than 2 inches on tibia unless you rebreak them, which is crazy as you not only lose insane amount of money but also many years of your life too.

Out of curiosity, since I am new to this, how long do you personally think full recovery after more than two surgeries take?

I’ve heard it’s around 1 year for most after surgery, but maybe healing time will be longer after repeating.
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« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2024, 10:38:07 PM »

From what I've read so far, it depends on how much you lengthen, the method used and the segment you're lengthening. For example, for PRECICE 2 femur of 3 inches, it takes about 5-6 months before you start walking with crutches but with the weight bearing methods, you start walking immediately post surgery and 3 inches of lengthening requires on average 5-6 months till you can start walking unaided in that case.

For tibia, 2 inches requires about 2 or even 3 months of distraction (if you go slow) and assuming you're doing with weight bearing nails or frames, you'll start walking with crutches in about 4-5 months post surgery, but recovery will take a bit longer than femur.

Basically, for the most efficient way to get both segments done are with weight bearing options. Femur first, consolidate for about 3 months and then tibia after. It will take about 1.5 years to complete the journey, assuming you're doing 3 inches on femurs and then 2 inches on tibia, which is the safest maximum amounts recommended by most doctors.

After 1.5 years, you will remove the internal nails and resume normal life, although you'll still be required to stretch daily, do the physio and workout your legs in general in order to strengthen the muscles and restore the balance and gait.

If you repeat this process, you will lose another 1.5 years of your life and it will be much harder to recover than in the first time because you're going to rebreak the broken bones and stretch the soft tissues even further. I don't see any reason to repeat this process to get another 5 inches of height since it will look comical and your functionality will be impaired severely for a very long time.
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« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2024, 12:06:05 AM »

AnotherLLr, how much time it takes for precise 2 to allow you to walk normally after lenghtening 5 or 6 cm? i hope is less than 3 or 4 months for each
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