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[PleaseComeVisitMeDawg]

I'm new to this whole world of leg lengthening, and slowly doing my research over time. I don't think I need to explain what's it like being a 5'4 manlet.

How realistic is a 6 inch gain? Yes, I'm aware that a single session can only add 3 inches at a time. So obviously, this would be done twice. BUT how realistic is it? Has anyone done this? Can you gain that much without fking up your legs?

I don't plan on doing this until I graduate. Currently looking at Greece for the surgery. Any insight is appreciated.

Thanks.

[wantingtobetaller]

Realistic? Yes I know a person that lengthened his tibias more than 8 cm so yes definitely realistic or possible.
But even if you reach 6 inches, your arms are going to look so short compared to your legs.
In other words, you are going to look like a t-rex. If I were you, I would aim for somewhere between 5 and 5.5 inches.
That can be achieved by lengthening both tibias and femurs and you won't have to worry too much about future complications.

[PleaseComeVisitMeDawg]

Hell, I would give my left nut (metaphorically) even for 5 inches. Do the odds of complications go up though? I've heard certain resources say that you're not even supposed to add anything more than 3 inches.

[PleaseComeVisitMeDawg]

Also is this a combination of the tibia + femur?

[wantingtobetaller]

Haha.

Of course, both the odds of complications and amount of time required to completely recover
go up as you lengthen more.

Well, there is a saying and I am sure a majority of the members in this forum have heard of it.
The "safe" maximum length for tibias is 5 cm (roughly 2 inches) and for femurs is 7 cm (or it may have been 8 cm I can't remember anyways..roughly 2.75-3 inches)
However, take it with a grain of salt because I have seen people who lengthened more than the "safe" maximum length
but they seem to be doing fine without any complications.

[wantingtobetaller]

Also is this a combination of the tibia + femur?

Yes combination of the tibia + femur. You won't be able reach 5 inches by lengthening only one segment.

[iwillgettaller]

It depends honestly on the doctor and how your body reacts to the lengthening.  If you look at MyEvolution's Paley journal, it seems like he reached around 5'4.5 to 5'11 rather nicely even though he had complications with an infection during tibias.  It may be doable but it depends on how much PT you dedicate and if you listen to everything the doctor tells you to do.  You'll also most likely have to do one segment first, recover for around a year, and do the next segment.  Doing both at one time will probably have you not achieve that goal.  If you're looking into Greece, then Giotikas is one of the most known surgeons there.  Around 100,000 USD total for both segments and 15k USD for renting a room.

MyEvolution's Journal: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9104.0

[PleaseComeVisitMeDawg]

Thank you for the resources, I appreciate it! I don't think I would've found this on my own.

So I'm assuming the times it will take for either the tibia or femur to recover is going to roughly be the same?

If Greece is that expensive, wouldn't it just be better to do it in the US? Which is better? I know Paley's the top surgeon, but I'm curious to hear why someone would prefer one over the other.

[Taller90]

The pure amount of lengthening is not a problem. It is more a matter of your starting bone length and to some extend arm length.

I was in your situation and after putting 10.7cm on my femur, I am now in the end phase of my tibia LL and have already achieved 3,7cm which puts me about 176,5/177cm at the moment. However I had very short bone length compared to my former peers, so that I was able to lengthen so much without that it know looks off. I have now an excellent Leg to body ratio. Only my wingspan is in theory to short for my height but I can still reach my shoes and as I am more a muscular Typ it does not look awkward at all. In fact I am receiving now a lot of compliments.

Finally it is possible but depends on a lot of factors which you should discuss with doctors but pls forget about external methods. I really doubt that you can reach that with them because of the lacking PT you can’t do. Go for weight bearing solutions and you will have it a little bit easier with less risk of complications.

Good luck

[Ted68]

6 inches means 15.2 cm.
Well, is too much and risky !
Just stay within 12 cm, IMHO...
Anyways, if you do it, you must start with femur and do 9 cm and then WAIT one year to complete healing and then do 6 cm on tibias !

[Temoc]

Betz lengthens a lot, these guys in Turkey also do it. It's common to see guys getting 4+ inches on the femurs alone. Is it safe? Is recovery good? I don't think so, you will be giving up a lot by doing that.
6 inches is 15.24cm. Paley and US doctors like to stick to 5 cms on tibias and 7-8 on femurs, that's 12-13cms. Is it worth to risk that extra 7/8 inch, 2.24cms? Is it so much worse to be 5'9" instead of 5'10"? That would be a good time to just buy lifts.

[iwillgettaller]

Thank you for the resources, I appreciate it! I don't think I would've found this on my own.

So I'm assuming the times it will take for either the tibia or femur to recover is going to roughly be the same?

If Greece is that expensive, wouldn't it just be better to do it in the US? Which is better? I know Paley's the top surgeon, but I'm curious to hear why someone would prefer one over the other.

Femurs usually recover faster and tibias take longer, but because you will most likely lengthen femurs longer, the total time it will take to lengthen and recover will be similar.

Ah, I meant that the total cost of femur + tibia should equal around 100k USD for Giotikas so 50k + 50k USD.  For US doctors like Paley, it will be 100k for one segment so femur + tibia will be 100k + 100k = 200k USD for both surgeries.  There will probably be extra costs too.

[PleaseComeVisitMeDawg]

I've noticed that certain doctors, such as Birkholtz, offer a femur + tiba quadrilateral. Unless I've misunderstood, this would be a 2 inch increase on both the tibia and femur yielding a 4 inch increase (10 cm increase).

I probably also should've specified that w/ shoes, I am 5'5.75 , so that would roughly bring me to 5'10.

Question is, how risk is this? Does anyone recommend a quadrilateral? Both surgeries are 4-6 months apart, but would it actually be enough time to heal?

[iwillgettaller]

Yes, this procedure is risky, but you can do things to minimize any complications like listening to the doctor, stretching, PT daily, and etc.

For quadrilateral, you should probably do sequential and wait at least 1 year in between segments so your body has enough time to heal.  Do femurs first and max out 8cm and see if you're satisfied with the original 3in.  If not, go back to do tibias to hit around 5in.

[shortisnotfun]

I'm new to this whole world of leg lengthening, and slowly doing my research over time. I don't think I need to explain what's it like being a 5'4 manlet.

How realistic is a 6 inch gain? Yes, I'm aware that a single session can only add 3 inches at a time. So obviously, this would be done twice. BUT how realistic is it? Has anyone done this? Can you gain that much without fking up your legs?

I don't plan on doing this until I graduate. Currently looking at Greece for the surgery. Any insight is appreciated.

Thanks.

Don’t do it with Giotikas. If you value your legs.

[Beemer m3]

if ur 5'4 now imagine getting that much height all ur friends will be like wow how u gain that much height lol. that is a bit much. some guys that are originally born have a ratio of 4 inches shorter than then there wingspan . so take as u will with proportions. after the first surgery u will notice the gain at 5'6? well im sure u dont want 5'6 then another 2.5 inches will make u 5'9.5 thats pretty good

[iwillgettaller]

I guess he can do 3in after doing tibs for 2in to get to 5'9, but that's just an idea.  idk if you misspelled the numbers as 2.5in to 5'6 will be 5'8.5

[Beemer m3]

oh yeh i must have mispelled it huh. at 5'8.5 is the realistic height u will have after everything is said and done. add 1 inch regular shoes. normal. it beats being 5'4 still under 5'5 .. u can do 8cm femurs really if u want max gains. but if u went for it all u can gain 9 cm with monorail femurs but even that is more painful than precice 2.2 with 8 cm. if u want 6 inches have u thought of humerous lengthening too? 1 inch is all it takes i guess. u can do max gains on ur tibias 7cm but u will probably cut ur achilles and a lot of pain from ballerina. its just a mess really but peoples done it in asia.

[heightiseverything]

It depends honestly on the doctor and how your body reacts to the lengthening.  If you look at MyEvolution's Paley journal, it seems like he reached around 5'4.5 to 5'11 rather nicely even though he had complications with an infection during tibias.  It may be doable but it depends on how much PT you dedicate and if you listen to everything the doctor tells you to do.  You'll also most likely have to do one segment first, recover for around a year, and do the next segment.  Doing both at one time will probably have you not achieve that goal.  If you're looking into Greece, then Giotikas is one of the most known surgeons there.  Around 100,000 USD total for both segments and 15k USD for renting a room.

MyEvolution's Journal: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9104.0

How is Giotikas 100k? For four segment precice he offer at 82500

[heightiseverything]

oh yeh i must have mispelled it huh. at 5'8.5 is the realistic height u will have after everything is said and done. add 1 inch regular shoes. normal. it beats being 5'4 still under 5'5 .. u can do 8cm femurs really if u want max gains. but if u went for it all u can gain 9 cm with monorail femurs but even that is more painful than precice 2.2 with 8 cm. if u want 6 inches have u thought of humerous lengthening too? 1 inch is all it takes i guess. u can do max gains on ur tibias 7cm but u will probably cut ur achilles and a lot of pain from ballerina. its just a mess really but peoples done it in asia.

At how many cm on average ballerina foot starts?

[Beemer m3]

for me it starts at 4.8 cm. i didnt walk much because the pins hurted and i didnt have a big space . was in a small apartment area. i grew out to 5.5 cm so yeh. my achilles still sore on my left leg. i can run down stairs if anything no ballerina with slippers.
if u walk alot assuming ur ballerina will go as u walk . sometimes i think if i went for more i would cut my achilles tendon because its sore sometime and i cant get to fully stretch sometimes.

[PleaseComeVisitMeDawg]

for me it starts at 4.8 cm. i didnt walk much because the pins hurted and i didnt have a big space . was in a small apartment area. i grew out to 5.5 cm so yeh. my achilles still sore on my left leg. i can run down stairs if anything no ballerina with slippers.
if u walk alot assuming ur ballerina will go as u walk . sometimes i think if i went for more i would cut my achilles tendon because its sore sometime and i cant get to fully stretch sometimes.

Hey Beemer m3, I noticed that you've already gotten your surgery. Do you intend to get another one? I noticed that your original height was 168cm, which as I clarified a few comments ago, is basically how tall I am w/ shoes. Sometimes I honestly just want to aim for 5'11, but obviously side effects are the main concern.

[sxxa]

There is no safe way to lengthen that amount. There is no chance a real good doctor would even suggest that's a safe limit. Everybody encouraging you to try it's simply misleading, the risk factor with that insane amount is off the chart. 8 cm in femurs is pretty much the highest and the limit from that part of your body, if you lenghten more than 4 or 5 cms of your tibias you won't be able to recover and your perone won't seal ever. Yes you are extremely short but it's a risk simply isnt worth it. Don't even consider turkish butchers, you could literally die there or get crippled for life, don't try luck with your own body and mobility.

[PleaseComeVisitMeDawg]

There is no safe way to lengthen that amount. There is no chance a real good doctor would even suggest that's a safe limit. Everybody encouraging you to try it's simply misleading, the risk factor with that insane amount is off the chart. 8 cm in femurs is pretty much the highest and the limit from that part of your body, if you lenghten more than 4 or 5 cms of your tibias you won't be able to recover and your perone won't seal ever. Yes you are extremely short but it's a risk simply isnt worth it. Don't even consider turkish butchers, you could literally die there or get crippled for life, don't try luck with your own body and mobility.

Does that include getting 8 cm on my femurs, and 5 cm on the tibias? Or is that also dangerous? I didn't really say that I would ever exceed any limits in a single surgery, I know that would be pretty stupid.

And no, Turkey isn't even on my list.

[sxxa]

Does that include getting 8 cm on my femurs, and 5 cm on the tibias? Or is that also dangerous? I didn't really say that I would ever exceed any limits in a single surgery, I know that would be pretty stupid.

And no, Turkey isn't even on my list.

I'm on the side of conservative measures, personally I would not lenghten my femurs more than 5 cm. In that range you are pretty much under the safest reach and faster recovery with minimal risks and your muscles won't suffer that much as opposed to 8 cm which I personally consider way too much.

Tibias are quite different because there are two bones in one limb, and if you over extend, let's say anything above 4 or 5 cm it could be a disaster, ballerina foot, your muscles get really really stiff and then there is the risk your perone can't heal.

I believe there is so much confusion with this surgery in the sense people don't actually realise how hard it is, and how it can affect your mobility and bio mechanics and in general it changes your life completely, anyway don't trust me, download any anatomy book and see for yourself, check medical info and learn everything you can to make an informed decision

[AnotherLLer]

I'm on the side of conservative measures, personally I would not lenghten my femurs more than 5 cm. In that range you are pretty much under the safest reach and faster recovery with minimal risks and your muscles won't suffer that much as opposed to 8 cm which I personally consider way too much.

Tibias are quite different because there are two bones in one limb, and if you over extend, let's say anything above 4 or 5 cm it could be a disaster, ballerina foot, your muscles get really really stiff and then there is the risk your perone can't heal.

I believe there is so much confusion with this surgery in the sense people don't actually realise how hard it is, and how it can affect your mobility and bio mechanics and in general it changes your life completely, anyway don't trust me, download any anatomy book and see for yourself, check medical info and learn everything you can to make an informed decision

I agree 100%. There's a reason Paley recommends no more than 4 cm in tibia and 5 cm in femur in one go. Especially for tibia, 4 cm gain is as significant as 5 cm gain in femur in the sense of percentage of lengthening. At least in my case, 4 cm tibia is about 11.5% of original bone length and 5 cm femur is, again, 11.5% of original femur length. Although 10% of original bone length is considered the safest, IMO 11.5% is the upper safe limit and above that complications start to shoot up dramatically.

IMO, 4 cm in tibia and 5 cm in femur is the best in terms of safety and proportions. 9 cm is significant height gain in legs that will completely change the proportions of someone's leg-to-body and make him / her look tall. There's no need to lengthen more than that unless one is dwarf.

For example, me at 165 cm night height will become 174 cm after 9 cm quadrilateral. It's a completely different league, an inch below average height in the USA and many parts of Europe.

[sxxa]

I agree 100%. There's a reason Paley recommends no more than 4 cm in tibia and 5 cm in femur in one go. Especially for tibia, 4 cm gain is as significant as 5 cm gain in femur in the sense of percentage of lengthening. At least in my case, 4 cm tibia is about 11.5% of original bone length and 5 cm femur is, again, 11.5% of original femur length. Although 10% of original bone length is considered the safest, IMO 11.5% is the upper safe limit and above that complications start to shoot up dramatically.

IMO, 4 cm in tibia and 5 cm in femur is the best in terms of safety and proportions. 9 cm is significant height gain in legs that will completely change the proportions of someone's leg-to-body and make him / her look tall. There's no need to lengthen more than that unless one is dwarf.

For example, me at 165 cm night height will become 174 cm after 9 cm quadrilateral. It's a completely different league, an inch below average height in the USA and many parts of Europe.

Correct, love to see like minded people in this forum. I've been acused of misinforming when in reality our criteria is likely the safest and best informed.

9cm is absolutely a big change. Anything beyond that is lunacy.