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[quika34]

Hello, I'm French, so I'm using a translator. First of all, thank you for all your testimonials, which have given me back hope, even though I know that it's a major operation and that there may be consequences.
I looked into the subject when I was 23-25 years old, and now I'm 27.

I'm 1M60-61, I've been through some very dark times due to my complex, I keep looking around me, comparing myself, feeling inferior, I'm just fed up, I've tried everything to fight this complex, but it keeps coming back.
All my ‘girl’ acquaintances become a failure, because I'm so frustrated.

As a result, I'm living with frustration, so I'm unhappy, so I'd like to know if I can have my femurs lengthened...
So my question is: if I manage to gain just 6cm, i.e. 1M66, will that change things?
I've become an expert in this field by dint of watching.
Knowing that I live in Europe, the average height for men is 1M76 and 1M63 for women.

Are there people who have had this operation who are the same size as me?

Thank you in advance for your answers.

[limby101]

Hey.
My opinion:
Given your height, and especially if it bothers you for years, maybe the lengthening improve your situation.
Lengthening to 167 may not make you considered tall, but still it's a significant increase compared to the average and girls height.
If you can push femurs to 8 or even 9 cm, and one day in the future lengthening the tibia may push you closer to average.
If you can afford a good experienced surgeon, have time to spare, and most importantly are willing to endure this ordeal of surgery,... I would say go for it.

[quika34]

Thanks for your quick reply,
In France, this isn't really a subject we talk about, but more and more I'm seeing cases of complaints about the size and I can see that it's really worldwide...., so I've found a French surgeon.
I have an appointment on 16 September, with the Precice Nail.
Otherwise I'm thinking of going to Germany. In France, part of the operation can be paid for by the social security system if you are a man of 1M60 or less. Given that I have no money, this could really help me. Hopefully I'll pass. You really shouldn't be over 1M60.
I have also taken information concerning Dr GUICHET
But I realised that Dr Betz /Becker has a good reputation in Germany.
So I'm waiting to see in September, time is so long now....
I'm really affected...

[quika34]

I'm ready to go through with this operation, I'm wringing my neck so much. Everything comes back every time because of my size.

[AnotherLLer]

You can gain up to 6 cm on tibia safely. Becoming at least 165 will make you normal short. After that, you have to either accept your height or go with the 2nd round for femurs and do up to 8 cm for maximum height gain. IMO, your best bet for 2 LL is 173 cm which is significant boost from 160.

[quika34]

That would be incredible, I can't even imagine such a difference.....

All I need now is to make some money

It would be incredible, I can't even imagine such a difference..... it would change my life in so many ways, not least my self-confidence. Confidence...

All I need now is to make some money
Thanks You

[AnotherLLer]

You have to be realistic of how much can you lengthen safely. Beware of tibia LL, don't go with unknown docs incapable of doing corrections on that segment. Basically, tibia is really challenging to lengthen as there are 2 bones and misalignment risks are higher. Just do 5 cm and don't bother going higher cause the recovery time increases exponentially after that amount. Disregarding recovery time, complications such as ballerina foot becomes very problematic so 5 cm is good for tibia, it's very noticeable for that segment because it's shorter than femurs. After 5 cm on tibia which will take about 7-10 months depending on your healing rate, you can go with femurs and do up to 8 cm relatively easily. At least up to 6.5 cm on femurs is achievable without much troubles. IMO, 11.5 cm total is not a joke and anyone will be satisfied with that amount from 2 LL, no matter what their starting height is.

[Beemer m3]

u are really in a bad situation. u need to work. find a job. let your memory free from being short. invest on what you can. spend your time reading up bitcoing and crypto currency. after saving up and investing for 4 years because bitcoin can take like 5 years for gains. invest in the bear market. start looking for overseas doctor that can take care of you. some doctors will take you in while being cheap but the forum guys on here will talk bad about you because u went with a cheap doctor but dont worry they got no money for the surgery too.
doing some tibia ilizarov frames is really cheap and easy but the recovery can take a long time.

[AnotherLLer]

As Body Builder frequently mentions, the only realistic option for poor fellas who are really short like below 170 is pure external Ilizarov tibia lengthening. Of course it will still cost a reasonable amount of money, but nowhere near that of internal methods. 5 or 6 cm tibia lengthening will need about 3 months of distraction and during this time the expenses will be higher due to staying in a foreign country and needing caretaker. If one has a family member who can take care of him, he can save a good amount of money on caretaker and food. I mention food because ordering meals will cost a lot whilst if someone who is taking care of you knows at least basic cooking, he / she can buy groceries and cook various dishes for 1/3 of cost or even cheaper than what you might spend on restaurant food in a month.

After 3 months of distraction period and returning to home, expenses are mostly the same as if you never did the surgery. One will need occasional x-rays and some meds / supplements and that's nothing in terms of expenses.

But, the most important part is avoiding going to places like India with unknown or shietty docs. You have to do a thorough research prior making your decision.

[quika34]

Thank you for your answers. I do have shorter tibias, but as I risk being taken on by the system, isn't it better to start with the femurs?

That would allow me to save a good part and then be able to do the tibias.

[quika34]

I think that a lengthening of the femurs would really improve my confidence but I think that might seem odd given my tibia..., as cedi said, I'd be taller than most girls without heels.

Knowing that I've been with quite a few girls over my height 1M70 - 65 -68.


Given that my tibias are shorter, does anyone have the knowledge to make me a model with 8 c in the femur?

[shawtleg]

Hello mate, i can understand you very good. I am around 158cm in height and can understand what you are going through. Right now I have my surgery planned for july 24 with Becker in Germany. With betzbone you can lenghten up to 12cm. You have to know that you Most likely wont get as athletic as before when you lenghten 12cm on your Upper legs but at 158cm i just think f*ck it. 170 is the goal.

I researched a lot and at the beginning wanted to do it in turkey. 1 month before surgery I just wasnt sure about if it is Safe there. Safety and the 12cm Limit got me convinced to do it in germany. And i also live in Germany so win win. We can keep in Touch if you want. I am planning on doing a diary on july. I think or expecr that from 160 to 170 is a hige difference. Because now you are just Short not extremely Short. And Like there will be Girls that are shorter than you. You can be the bigger one in the relationship and protect yourself and your surroundings. People will see you as as a grown man.

People will say that the things i mentioned are just in your head and its all *Mindset*. It surely is until one point. But it isnt mindset if you are 160. at 160 its just facts.

[financialadvisor]

I never knew such as surgery could be covered from social security, if it is you should also check https://www.athensbjr.com/cost-pricing-of-cosmetic-limb-lengthening/ people say he's the best value for money doctor in the EU.

Personally, I've always wanted to do surgery with Solomin, adding 5 cm with externals and then nailing. I remember prices in late 2010s were around 5000-8000 k. eur for LATN external tibias.

[Ted68]

Yes, man, you live a drama... so the only way is a quad surgery, which helps you to gain 12-13 cm. The result - 1.72 - is not in the tall men league at all (because I was 1.72 and I know)... but will change your life to MUCH better !
Start with femur, because you can get 8 cm, and then with tibia !
The money is a big problem. Me, for example, I would never have done external technique like LON, Illizarov, etc. and NO WAY to accept clicking nails like Betzbone or G-nail.
So, I dreamed and I was waiting to have money for Precice... otherwise I would have remained short. I don't accept extra suffering and risks only because I am poor and stupid-desperate !
But, of course, most of the guys here are 20-30 years younger than me... so no money at this age usually... so they have no choice.
Overall, man, if you don't do the Quad surgery, you will be forever unhappy and frustrated... so its a must !

[Beemer m3]

Hello mate, i can understand you very good. I am around 158cm in height and can understand what you are going through. Right now I have my surgery planned for july 24 with Becker in Germany. With betzbone you can lenghten up to 12cm. You have to know that you Most likely wont get as athletic as before when you lenghten 12cm on your Upper legs but at 158cm i just think f*ck it. 170 is the goal.

I researched a lot and at the beginning wanted to do it in turkey. 1 month before surgery I just wasnt sure about if it is Safe there. Safety and the 12cm Limit got me convinced to do it in germany. And i also live in Germany so win win. We can keep in Touch if you want. I am planning on doing a diary on july. I think or expecr that from 160 to 170 is a hige difference. Because now you are just Short not extremely Short. And Like there will be Girls that are shorter than you. You can be the bigger one in the relationship and protect yourself and your surroundings. People will see you as as a grown man.

People will say that the things i mentioned are just in your head and its all *Mindset*. It surely is until one point. But it isnt mindset if you are 160. at 160 its just facts.

bro i recommend u do ur research first before doing 12cm. i;ve heard of people doing 9cm on femurs with monorails and another 5 cm on tibias. that would sound good. the guy grew to 176cm from livelifetaller. so he was 162 cm.
yeh two surgeries would be recommended before thinking of doing 12 cm in one segment.
the guy wore a sweater had a short torso but looks pretty good with long legs haha.

[AnotherLLer]

IMO, there's a reason why they (in the west) recommend up to 8 cm for femurs and up to 5 cm for tibia when doing the surgery bilaterally on a particular leg segment. It's very hard to go past 5 cm on tibia in one go and IMO it doesn't worth it to push it for 6 or 6.5 (the higher you can go for that segment in one go if you're really determined). That additional 1 or 1.5 cm doesn't worth the hassle and potential complications it may bring.

IMO 5 cm is already enough for tibia in order to lengthen the femurs up to 8 cm and look proportional. There's no need to lengthen the tibia more than 5 cm as it's a very problematic segment and 5 cm is already a higher percentage for initial tibia length as it's a shorter bone compared to femurs.

With 8 cm femurs, it will really make a huge difference in one's appearance and proportions, especially for someone who has short femurs to begin with. 8 cm distraction is a huge gap and makes femurs much longer and aesthetically pleasing to look at.

Some people who do 12 cm on their femurs with Betzbone are really pushing it and it doesn't look good at all. It's too much lengthening and not necessary.

Basically, it's 5 cm on tibia and 8 cm on femur when done each segment bilaterally within at least a year gap between.

As for quadrilateral and cross-lateral lengthening, they are not worth it IMO. You either do just femurs for 8 cm or just tibia for 5 cm and then decide if you want to lengthen the other segment in the future.

So, 13 cm total from both segments is what you can get safely and it doesn't worth it pushing for additional gains (like 10 cm on femurs and 6.5 cm on tibia for additional 3.5 cm height). 13 cm will make anyone a completely different person, no matter their starting height.

[AnotherLLer]

This is your 13 cm height difference between two men:

https://www.celebheights.com/chg/challenge2.jpg

That's more than enough to become completely different person no matter what your starting height is.

[quika34]

Hello! Thanks for your reply! I can see that we're in the same situation, we understand each other, it's not easy, is it? Great guy, come on, you'll soon be on the spot!
I'd love it if you could put up a post! I'd love to follow the process with you and be able to encourage you!
I'm waiting for my appointment in September with the FR surgeon, then I'll see if it's a good one and if he agrees to take me on, otherwise I'll have to do what you're doing and I was thinking of Dr Becker too.
I'll be in touch.

[shawtleg]

@BeemerM3 Yeah I know what you mean. For me LiveLifeTaller or Turkey in general is not really in Option for me because i read so many things about them. I am still Not sure if thats all true, but I am not ready to Risk it.

I am pretty sure Proportions will be like poop after 12cm one Segment lengthening but life is not always Perfect. I could do 8cm femur and 6cm tibia but it is not something i could afford to do with probably around 120k in total. Also if I do femur now and i could think of tibia maybe After 3-4 years to get the leg proportions better. I have short legs to begin with. I did some mockups. Actuslly i look with 12cm more legs more natural than right now which is quite funny.

@AnotherLLer you are completely right going with 12cm is really pushing it. Sometimes some risks or athletic limitations are worth it. In Germany we say geben und nehmen. You give and you take


@quika34 pretty cool that france is paying a Part of it. In Germany there was a woman who wanted to get it paid by the Social Security and went to court with it. She was 150cm and they still declined unfortunately. So in Germany we do not receive financial support regarding cosmetic limblengthening.

[quika34]

@shawtleg Yes, that would be great but it's a long shot because I'm fluctuating between 1M60-61-62, I can't really tell exactly, and I'm going to be checked to see if I'm within the limits.
If this can be taken care of, it's huge. And I'd be grateful... Fingers crossed now we just have to wait....

For the model, could you show me what it does? Or would you be able to make one for me? It would be a great help

[quika34]

@Ted68, thank you for your reply, I do know that 1M72 won't be big.... But I've developed skills alongside that, charisma, confidence, resourcefulness. I hope that this will make up for my height, being 1M70 would already be huge for me.... And I honestly think it will improve my self-confidence.... and make it easier to change my mind.

[quika34]

@AnotherLLer, yes I'm a realist, that's why I'd like to start with the femurs even if my tibias are smaller....
And if I can reach 1M68 that would already be a success for me....
In my case, that would be the goal of 8 cm on the femurs

@financialadvisor, I've been doing it for a while now and I hope it stays that way...
I have no idea what the prices are in France because it's frowned upon, given that it's quite a major surgery...

It would be with the precice nail, from what I've been able to understand, that would be the best in terms of pain, recovery etc...

[quika34]

in the end it's not covered, so I'll have to work for it.

[AllinStryde]

Never do 12 cm in one segment.  You will regret that. 

[AnotherLLer]

IMO, 6.5 femur + 5.2 tibia is the best combo in terms of maximum safe height gain whilst retaining biomechs & interlimb ratios. 11.7 cm is half a head (average head length is about 23-24 cm) which is significant height increase no matter one's starting height. More than that will most certainly result in severe disproportion between legs-to-torso and arms-to-legs and recovery will be very tough on top of that.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

Why some people here are so worried about future proportion?
I mean they really exaggerate how bad it will be to be disproportionate tbh. There are countless diaries out there on this forum but no one complained that their after-LL disproportionateness got poked fun of or even noticed.
I don't think compared to being short being disproportion is even a thing.
There are many short guys whose proportions are very good, but they are still suffering relative to those tall guys whose proportions are bad.

[quika34]

@Sorcery Yes, it's true, I don't really understand why people put so much emphasis on proportions, knowing that when I look in the street, a lot of tall people have bad proportions in my eyes.
Then maybe it's the length from femur to tibia. With 8cm more on a femur and having small tibia maybe it's eye tap....

But I'd rather be 8cm wider and have small shins lol

[quika34]

@anotherLLer In itself I prefer to have a small torso, knowing that if I work out I can have a very pretty body, admittedly a bit small, but with long legs it could be really cool.

In my case, I'm already going to find out about the femurs. See the total cost of the operation. And set myself achievable goals based on the time it takes, economy, physical preparation etc...

Then the shins, we'll see. Even if I stay small at 1m68, I think I'll already have more confidence....

[Omar]

I agree with the previous comments. Long legs look better with a relatively short torso, but not too short. Additionally, height has nothing to do with proportions. I've seen many tall people with awful proportions, and I'm quite tall myself (over 180 cm). Now, I think one should not exceed 10 cm because beyond that, it might look a bit strange, but 4 cm in the tibia and 6 cm in the femur is perfect. I am considering 4.5 cm (tibia), but currently, I'm too hesitant and afraid that it might render me disabled or drastically reduce my mobility.

[quika34]

Hello Omar, but why consider such an operation if you're already 180cm tall?
I can understand that you're scared, and that's normal. Personally, I'm more afraid of continuing to live with this complex than of attempting an OP.

[Omar]

That's a very good question. To be honest, I'm not doing this to attract more women or draw attention to myself. If that were the case, I wouldn't even be on this forum, and I wouldn't know about this surgery. I'm doing this for myself, to feel better in my own body, even though I am already quite tall.

What I'm afraid of are the complications. The idea that I might undergo this operation and it could forever affect my gait or my ability to run is concerning. I understand your point of view, but if I have one piece of advice, it's to ensure you do it with a good doctor. From what I hear, you will only face problems in Turkey.

To conclude, I think you can aim for a 7-8 cm increase in your femur. With the right technique and good shoes, you will be above 1m70, which I believe will completely change your life... probably even more than mine.