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[AnotherLLer]

There's this one guy on one of the local web forums in my country who actively participates in various discussions.

He opened controversial topic regarding one of the most popular female user there and mocked her lightly. Apparently, he was pursuing her in the past and got rejected.

A while later said female user entered and buried this guy alive with brutish lines imaginable. One of the most obvious and hurtful for a man was the line of "you short-legged" or something like that. Basically, she has seen the guy in real life somewhere and knew that he was short in height and especially, short-legged. He also posts his pictures there and he's really short-legged and short in general, maybe barely reaches 5'5 in the morning.

Although I was not participating in that discussion, that line hurt me really bad not only for him but also myself as I'm also short and have short legs.

It was after that incident that I decided I really needed LL in my life as living as a short-legged man at 5'5 is brutal.

That guy is in his mid-30-s and coping really hard. He actively tries to flirt with female users there but none of them take him seriously and I bet he knows that. I don't know how can he live like that when no sane woman views him as a potential romantic or short term partner. He's just unattractive in their eyes just because he's short and short-legged and they all know it because, as I mentioned, he actively posts his full-frame pictures on that forum.

One of the female users also mentioned in relevant topic that she automatically qualifies guys below 181-182 cm into friendzone which, again, was brutal to read.

I don't know what to do at 165 cm height. Go for 6-7 cm tibia first and than 8 cm femurs to reach 180 cm and break that hard barrier most women have for guys in terms of height or do 5 cm tibia to become 170 cm and then another 5 cm femurs to settle at 175 cm and be average.

I don't give a fk about those bitches who demand 6 feet or something to be honest, I just want to become normal-sized, long-legged adult man with no detrimental flaws in appearance (like short legs for example). If I lack that 5 cm at 175 cm it's no big deal, at least majority of women won't disqualify me due to lack of 5 cm.

I would like to be 180 cm but 15 cm LL is very risky and I don't want to suffer from complications my whole life.

That guy is really unattractive in terms of stature and proportions to be honest. He also needs double LL of at least 4 inches to overcome short-legged appearance and become averagish in terms of height.

[mirneeelnumber1ooye]

There's this one guy on one of the local web forums in my country who actively participates in various discussions.

He opened controversial topic regarding one of the most popular female user there and mocked her lightly. Apparently, he was pursuing her in the past and got rejected.

A while later said female user entered and buried this guy alive with brutish lines imaginable. One of the most obvious and hurtful for a man was the line of "you short-legged" or something like that. Basically, she has seen the guy in real life somewhere and knew that he was short in height and especially, short-legged. He also posts his pictures there and he's really short-legged and short in general, maybe barely reaches 5'5 in the morning.

Although I was not participating in that discussion, that line hurt me really bad not only for him but also myself as I'm also short and have short legs.

It was after that incident that I decided I really needed LL in my life as living as a short-legged man at 5'5 is brutal.

That guy is in his mid-30-s and coping really hard. He actively tries to flirt with female users there but none of them take him seriously and I bet he knows that. I don't know how can he live like that when no sane woman views him as a potential romantic or short term partner. He's just unattractive in their eyes just because he's short and short-legged and they all know it because, as I mentioned, he actively posts his full-frame pictures on that forum.

One of the female users also mentioned in relevant topic that she automatically qualifies guys below 181-182 cm into friendzone which, again, was brutal to read.

I don't know what to do at 165 cm height. Go for 6-7 cm tibia first and than 8 cm femurs to reach 180 cm and break that hard barrier most women have for guys in terms of height or do 5 cm tibia to become 170 cm and then another 5 cm femurs to settle at 175 cm and be average.

I don't give a fk about those bitches who demand 6 feet or something to be honest, I just want to become normal-sized, long-legged adult man with no detrimental flaws in appearance (like short legs for example). If I lack that 5 cm at 175 cm it's no big deal, at least majority of women won't disqualify me due to lack of 5 cm.

I would like to be 180 cm but 15 cm LL is very risky and I don't want to suffer from complications my whole life.

That guy is really unattractive in terms of stature and proportions to be honest. He also needs double LL of at least 4 inches to overcome short-legged appearance and become averagish in terms of height.

yes women are quite skilled in picking up a man's biggest insecurity and using it against him, and they all know that short men are insecure as they're much more in tune with social dynamics than we guys are so they know for a fact that a short man is insecure as hell in this day and age so its a piece of cake to them to attack a man who did them wrong

they'd either call you short, fock your brother or best friend, or gossip lies about you to the entire universe about being "abusive" or "controlling arsehole"

also any time you see a woman who is paired off with a man below 6 ft you can be sure she is settling and she knows it

even if the guy was good looking and rich she is still seeing him as inferior in the back of her mind, even if she doesnt realize it consciously, there'd be something bugging her about him and stopping her from being "fully happy". and making a woman "happy" is a never ending hole in the ground you're gonna be trying to fill

she would jump to his taller equivalent as soon as a viable opportunity presents itself without a second thought and with ZERO remorse since they're all evolved to be sociopathic like that since the beginning of the human species the males were quite disposable and died often and easily in various combats, wars, while hunting or from disease, so the women had to be able to immediately jump on another guy's cawk to ensure their own personal genetic continuity without mopping around for years about their old now dead provider

always remember this even if you manage to get to 180 and now are able to choose women yourself, the same women now being all smiley and warm would spit on your pre-LL self and laught about it with their girlfriends

thank god for social media and their never ending quest to attention whore on it to help us see their true nature

[Committee]

What forum? I didn't read what you write completely but I guess the synopsis of it is just about how women poked fun of a short guy's height and how they do not date guys that are below 6'.
If you really had ever touched the grass you would know girls in reality were not that ridiculous and even though there are indeed some like this they are the very very minority, who may be even socially isolated by other women and men and living  ty lives with Becky's body and face. You will not date them whatsoever after all so they are not something you need to worry about.
As I found out, but brutally, the hotter a woman is, the lower probability of her being something like that there is. The same for educational background, richness, etc....
And you really think guys below 181-182cm can only be friends of females? C'mon lol just go out and see how many guys below 181-182cm have girls. I can't believe you really got depressed because of a random venting  ty woman.
Seems to me you do not know about Statistics. Yeah, we can't say there is no even single one woman like that, but what about the 'ratio'? Are they even 0.00000.....1%? The same for those incels who heightpill here and there with examples in which how a 5'5' man with net worth of millions of dollars ivy background earning twenties of thousands of dollars per year 7-8/10 face is involuntarily lonely because of his height.(they are doing these because of the lack of statistic basic knowledge or because they are just 6'1 losers who are living in a dum basement with their parents and have to be in lines of food bank to not starve to death, smth like that...) Yeah, we can't say there is no even single one example irl either, but what about the 'ratio'? Are they even 0.00000....1%?
And 180cm is totally fine already. Just don't get toxic after you become 180cm, otherwise this surgery is not a good option for you tbh

[AnotherLLer]

Dude, it's not about being at least 180 cm or nothing at all.  I never said that a man should be at least that height in order to be successful with most women. I'm saying that any height below solid 5'8 is a serious disadvantage for a man in dating life. He can be perfect in all areas but the sheer lack of height will hinder him with most women and his dating pool will be very small.

Besides, it's not about being a certain height, but not to have short and disproportional legs. Short legs are not attractive on men and it makes an already short man look even shorter than he really is.

So, the point of LL is not only to become taller but also to normalize leg-to-frame ratio and appear perfectly proportional with relatively long legs while reaching at least 5'8 height. Of course 5'10 and up is better but 5'8 is minimum for a man in order to feel taller than the average height women.

The mocking I mentioned in this post related to a man in his mid-30s who stands at about 5'3-5'5 range. He once claimed 5'10, then 5'8 1/2. Both of those claims sounded ridiculous from him as he's obviously a very short guy based on all the photos he posts and some forum members know him IRL and confirm that he's a short dude. That's another problem of short men who claim 4-5 inches taller heights than they really are. It's ridiculous and screams insecurity.

I have acknowledged that I'm a short man who enters his 30s and want to overcome this issue with the only right solution there is: double LL of at least 3 inches in total.

I don't want to look overcompensating man with thug style, MMA training flexing or other bull  like living in gym or something similar. I want to tackle the issue directly, without masking it with those bull  the majority of short men cope with. I don't want to look ridiculous with tons of muscles like that Jeff Nippard guy. Neither do I want to look like Lil Wayne with thug style and tons  ty tatts on my body. Neither do I want to train in Jiu Jitsu or MMA or in other martial arts in order to compensate my lack of height like most short guys do these days (Jiu Jitsu and MMA is short guys' panacea these days).

I don't know about that guy who got mocked on that forum, neither do I know about other short men around the globe who try to overcompensate with various ways. Either they don't know about LL or they think that they don't need it. It's fine if they think that way but I can't be like them because I don't think that way. Yeah, you can compensate with many things but at the end of the day you're still overcompensating short guy who look ridiculous with every attempt of overcompensating mechanism employed in your life.

Maybe some of them who know about LL but not plan to do it wish they did it in their hearts but are either broke or wary of side effects and refrain from doing it. But, what I'm 100% sure is that almost all short men around the globe wish they ended up being taller than shorter.

Again, to me, LL is not only about getting taller but also getting longer legs to appear long-legged and attractive. That's also very important besides height gain for a man. Now, if someone is already long-legged and needs LL for height gain, than he has to make compromises between inches and proportions. But, to me, LL is not only to become taller, but also to become more proportionate which is more important to me than reaching 180 cm of height. I'll be fine with 173 cm with long and attractive legs. At that height and with long legs, I won't look like a manlet and employing other things to become more attractive won't be perceived as overcompensation by others. That's what matters the most.

[Dirona]

Dude, it's not about being at least 180 cm or nothing at all.  I never said that a man should be at least that height in order to be successful with most women. I'm saying that any height below solid 5'8 is a serious disadvantage for a man in dating life. He can be perfect in all areas but the sheer lack of height will hinder him with most women and his dating pool will be very small.

Besides, it's not about being a certain height, but not to have short and disproportional legs. Short legs are not attractive on men and it makes an already short man look even shorter than he really is.

So, the point of LL is not only to become taller but also to normalize leg-to-frame ratio and appear perfectly proportional with relatively long legs while reaching at least 5'8 height. Of course 5'10 and up is better but 5'8 is minimum for a man in order to feel taller than the average height women.

The mocking I mentioned in this post related to a man in his mid-30s who stands at about 5'3-5'5 range. He once claimed 5'10, then 5'8 1/2. Both of those claims sounded ridiculous from him as he's obviously a very short guy based on all the photos he posts and some forum members know him IRL and confirm that he's a short dude. That's another problem of short men who claim 4-5 inches taller heights than they really are. It's ridiculous and screams insecurity.

I have acknowledged that I'm a short man who enters his 30s and want to overcome this issue with the only right solution there is: double LL of at least 3 inches in total.

I don't want to look overcompensating man with thug style, MMA training flexing or other bull  like living in gym or something similar. I want to tackle the issue directly, without masking it with those bull  the majority of short men cope with. I don't want to look ridiculous with tons of muscles like that Jeff Nippard guy. Neither do I want to look like Lil Wayne with thug style and tons  ty tatts on my body. Neither do I want to train in Jiu Jitsu or MMA or in other martial arts in order to compensate my lack of height like most short guys do these days (Jiu Jitsu and MMA is short guys' panacea these days).

I don't know about that guy who got mocked on that forum, neither do I know about other short men around the globe who try to overcompensate with various ways. Either they don't know about LL or they think that they don't need it. It's fine if they think that way but I can't be like them because I don't think that way. Yeah, you can compensate with many things but at the end of the day you're still overcompensating short guy who look ridiculous with every attempt of overcompensating mechanism employed in your life.

Maybe some of them who know about LL but not plan to do it wish they did it in their hearts but are either broke or wary of side effects and refrain from doing it. But, what I'm 100% sure is that almost all short men around the globe wish they ended up being taller than shorter.

Again, to me, LL is not only about getting taller but also getting longer legs to appear long-legged and attractive. That's also very important besides height gain for a man. Now, if someone is already long-legged and needs LL for height gain, than he has to make compromises between inches and proportions. But, to me, LL is not only to become taller, but also to become more proportionate which is more important to me than reaching 180 cm of height. I'll be fine with 173 cm with long and attractive legs. At that height and with long legs, I won't look like a manlet and employing other things to become more attractive won't be perceived as overcompensation by others. That's what matters the most.

You are overthinking my friend. Hair, height, weight, appearance, money, inner confidence/ strength all matter. Height can matter a bit more than other things. But because you lack it, you tend to overthink it. And you are trying to find evidence to confirm your beliefs. You will definitely find evidence. You have to look at height holistically on where it fits into your goals in life and not in a reductionistic manner. I am 5 ft. 6 and I have had social issues because of it and was very insecure about it . My security has dwindled quite a bit over time. That is not because the world has changed. That is because I do not give that much importance to it compared to my other goals. You just have to prioritize and take action depending on how height fits into your overall goals. The reason being it involves money, risk, and time.