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Re: VIOLENCE in yonsei kim & chung orthopedic clinic
« Reply #62 on: June 10, 2024, 07:45:45 AM »

Hello shi, can you check my email?
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« Reply #63 on: June 10, 2024, 08:08:25 AM »

you can ask here
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« Reply #64 on: June 10, 2024, 04:23:25 PM »

I was considering going to Dr. Ju Chung in the future because of his prices compared to Donghoon, but not so certain after your incident.  Do you know if Ju Chung is still a good doctor, and if there were any cases similar to yours?  I'm korean if that will change my treatment quality there.
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« Reply #65 on: June 10, 2024, 06:08:49 PM »

Do you have an email? Because i asked about the package and didnt receive any info, probably the one on site is wrong.
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« Reply #66 on: June 10, 2024, 09:06:19 PM »

I have write about the packaeg before
you can see it this sread
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Re: VIOLENCE in yonsei kim & chung orthopedic clinic
« Reply #67 on: June 11, 2024, 12:37:33 AM »

They dont tell me about bone fracture,
Due to their barbaric PT
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« Reply #68 on: June 11, 2024, 06:06:40 AM »

Do you see other people and how they are treated during PT?  Or are you the only one that they are targeting for no reason?
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« Reply #69 on: June 11, 2024, 06:18:18 AM »

I guess the clerk shin targeted me and
to make money by PT
 they suffocate me.
I never permit them
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« Reply #70 on: June 11, 2024, 07:15:45 AM »

I see, I'm sorry for your experience.  Hopefully they treat you better in the future...
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« Reply #71 on: June 11, 2024, 02:57:28 PM »

Hi Shi. Hope you are doing well and becoming fully recovered.  Just one question for you.  Is Dr. Chung a good doctor? I understand that you experienced targeting by the clerk Shin. And I am sorry for your experience. Nobody wants to experience what you experienced.

I just need to go to a doctor who knows what he is doing and has years of experience doing limb lengthening. If you could elaborate more on your experiences at Yonsei Kim hospital it would be greatly appreciated.  You have knowledge and experience nobody in this forum has when it comes to Dr. Chung and his staff. Thank you and I hope you get better physically and mentally.
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« Reply #72 on: June 11, 2024, 04:15:24 PM »

I think the doctor has certain skill of CLL.
cutting bone techinique,hndling soft tissue.
I was told by the doctor, there is no case of our faciillity
including deep site infection, non-uion other critical complication.
I guess thats true.
the clerk messed up everything.
if there is no interpution by the clerk, My CLL was succes
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« Reply #73 on: June 12, 2024, 03:27:50 AM »

I see, thank you for the response.  You mentioned that the physical therapy was very painful, but how do you think LON femurs were in general?  I keep hearing in this forum that LON femur is brutal and precise is way better, but was the lower price for LON femurs worth it in your opinion?
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« Reply #74 on: June 12, 2024, 04:59:34 AM »

Thank you Shi. Please continue to get better and well everyday.  Best of luck to you.
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« Reply #75 on: June 13, 2024, 01:25:49 AM »

Due to my low callus formation,
its same if I did by precice or LON for femur.
my length amount is same 4.5cm
but most patients who do femur can get 8cm
so I recomend precice femur
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« Reply #76 on: June 13, 2024, 01:35:14 AM »

This is horrible I am sorry my Japanese brother. Did they kick the clerk out and give you any extra perks such as discount or free physical therapy and repairs? This is so bad for their reputation...
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« Reply #77 on: June 13, 2024, 01:40:33 AM »

No to make matters worse,
they inbue other patients, the wroing one is me,
even I ask the final lenght amount ,They dont told me that.
if you want to know the lenght amount ,you have to come korea.
so I geuss they are up to beat me again
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« Reply #78 on: June 13, 2024, 01:54:53 AM »

No to make matters worse,
they inbue other patients, the wroing one is me,
even I ask the final lenght amount ,They dont told me that.
if you want to know the lenght amount ,you have to come korea.
so I geuss they are up to beat me again

Keep a journal record of everything here on this forum with date, time, etcetera. Do not have any physical journal out that they can read and then fight you for. I hope you escape soon. Do you have family or friends or anyone who can come get you in Korea?

Once you get away and get out, write a bad review and warn other people.
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« Reply #79 on: June 13, 2024, 02:02:56 AM »

During leghening for 3months in korea,
My father also come with me and stay and fight with yonsei kim chung.
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« Reply #80 on: June 13, 2024, 12:18:05 PM »

I think a lot of what you say are true, and I'm believing what you are saying Shi. I have requested some information from Yonsei Kim, and they have told me exactly what they told you. That it cannot be sent via email. So they have this sales promotion - they one you mentioned. I've told them to put it on a written contract and forward it to me via email. But they said they couldn't do that, and they don't send contracts by email. I don't know about you, but if it's not on written contract, it doesn't exist. Anyways, get better man. Appreciate you starting this thread, so people can know about questionable limb lengthening clinics.
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« Reply #81 on: June 14, 2024, 12:06:55 AM »

Be caution about this, for this clininc,
They want to hide some thing ,because they dont want to be see by patients
before sugery.
patients can see contract right before the sugery, so patients can not escape anymore.
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« Reply #82 on: June 14, 2024, 03:04:52 AM »

Yeah the clinic is suspicious, and it doesn't matter why the clerk targeted you, the problem is that the clinic didn't keep their staff accountable and take responsibility for their clerk assaulting you, instead blaming you.

If they will do this to their own patient just because he is foreigner, they will find excuses to mistreat anyone including other Koreans. I am Korean and after hearing this I wouldn't go to them either. I bet they will find an excuse to blame me too if I was assaulted by their staff.
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« Reply #83 on: June 14, 2024, 06:15:11 AM »

If you have time please see my X account
I have posted some pfoof,bleeding,expexsive PT bill and so on
https://x.com/meichanpokemon
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« Reply #84 on: June 15, 2024, 09:48:40 AM »

I guess They only impose on foregeing patients to be exposed
thire makarting on YOUTUBE.
their YOUTUBE channel all of foregeing patients is listed
as far as I know.
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Re: VIOLENCE in yonsei kim & chung orthopedic clinic
« Reply #85 on: June 17, 2024, 03:28:45 AM »

Are you a korean?
If you are, you should vistit there before the sugery and ask them to show contract
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« Reply #86 on: June 17, 2024, 07:44:41 PM »

Hello Shi. It seems they are very aware of you.  Are you the Japanese patient who did his tibia surgery in Vietnam? Anyways, I can't believe they treated you so badly, and they are still blocking you from getting the things you need after the surgery. If they treated you so badly, I just wonder how badly they will also treat other international patients. I have a very bad instinctual feeling about this hospital. The doctor may be really good, but it seems they have a very toxic management culture. That guy Shin should've been fired and arrested for assaulting and battering you, and they should have formally apologized to you and your father for this whole incident.  Instead they kept the guy, and he is still employed there. It's like they are trying to cover it up or something. I am pretty sure Yonsei Kim is very aware of this forum and all other social media platforms. they are keenly aware of a disgruntled Japanese patient who is bad mouthing them.  I thought you should know this. I don't need to see the contract because I can't see myself getting surgery there after what they did to you. Because if they did that to you, they will do that to me.  And I'm guessing they have mistreated their patients before, but they were too scared to come online and talk about their experiences. However, you were brave enough to tell your personal story for everyone to see and know your experience at Yonsei Kim. Thanks for making this post. Good luck to you man. I'm cheering for you. 
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« Reply #87 on: June 18, 2024, 01:52:08 AM »

Yes I am the japanease patietns,who did tibia lon in vietnam.
and thank you for tellintg me about that.
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« Reply #88 on: June 18, 2024, 01:24:58 PM »

Are you a korean?
If you are, you should vistit there before the sugery and ask them to show contract

Why would I visit the clinic after hearing about what happen to you? Hell no. It doesn't matter if I am Korean or not, I don't trust a clinic that will mistreat a patient like this. They are also ruining Yonsei university's reputation by doing this.
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« Reply #89 on: June 18, 2024, 01:31:28 PM »

recently they show up video about cotract
the doctor telling about thier contract.
I guess some patients ask about their contract because they hide somethings.
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« Reply #90 on: June 19, 2024, 10:12:50 AM »

1. Why did you choose KC?

I had managed to overcome a pseudoarthrosis in my lower leg, and my height was about average, but I still wondered if I could somehow make it to the latter half of 170, and I was born with a leg length difference of 3mm in my femur, which combined with the leg length difference caused by the amount of extension in my lower leg, made me feel quite uncomfortable even when walking normally, so I wanted to do a large leg I was thinking about doing a thigh. Then I found KC through a post by a mutual follower of X.
In the end, I chose to do a thigh LON at KC because of the following points.
I wanted to do it again as soon as possible.
I knew from my lower leg experience that I had a very poor bone formation and that Japanese hospitals could not treat complications even at their own expense, so I could not afford the complications, even though my femur has relatively better bone formation than my tibia.
In Korea, if there was something, for example, a screw fracture, I could go relatively (but still foreign) quickly.
The femoral LON was easy to get because it cost 41 million won (about 4.5 million at that time) in KC at that time.
The reason why I did not use a prescythe (this was a mistake because I was held hostage by the KC side for the external fixation) was because bone formation was poor and I thought that the amount of extension could not be extended much anyway. However, LON's intramedullary nail does not have any problem even if it is not extracted.
Other hospitals in Korea require frequent visits for rehabilitation, and in some cases, patients use the subway to go to the hospital, but we decided against this because we thought it would be dangerous to go to the hospital in a wheelchair, even with a caregiver, because of the risk of falling down along the way. (In fact, the wheelchair ride from the hotel where the patient was staying felt very dangerous even with a caregiver, and the risk of falling and falling alone is unimaginable.)
These are the above points.


Amount of extension
The standard amount of extension proposed by the KC side is as follows
Lower leg LON 6-7 cm
Lower leg prescissors 6-7 cm
Thigh LON 5-6 cm
Thigh precise 7-8cm
However, this is for Koreans who have no limit to the length of their stay in Korea.
KC has a policy of sending foreign patients home within 3 months.
Therefore, it is my impression that the actual amount of extension for foreign patients is often about 1cm minus the above.


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« Reply #91 on: June 19, 2024, 10:14:25 AM »

2, Preliminary visit to Korea

Around July 2023, when I was wondering what to do with the yen that had not stopped depreciating, I remembered the existence of KC, which I had found on X. I had e-mailed them before, but I did not end up going to KC.
I had emailed them before, but I never went to KC.
When I contacted them again, I was told that the rules had changed and that I could only make a reservation after paying 33,000 yen for the couse in advance.
After some agonizing, I sent the money, took a plane, and flew to Korea.
When I arrived at the hospital by cab and told the receptionist my name, I was asked if I had paid the fee. Apparently, it was OK to pay later.
I was greeted by a rather petite woman sitting beside me, who I thought was an interpreter hired by the hospital. I found out later in the chat that she was a Japanese woman married to a Korean.
After that, I went into the examination room and had a counseling session with the doctor.
The contents of the consultation were itemized as follows
If you do it at our place, you don't have to worry about pseudoarthrosis or deep infection. I am sure you had a hard time with your Vietnamese tibia. We have never had a case of bone graft or deep infection. (I trust you on this point as we have actually talked about it)
In Korea, it was somewhat troublesome to renew the visa, including proof of balance, but if you have a 5-6 cm target for femoral LON treatment, it will almost definitely be over within 3 months.
If there is any problem, you can return to your country once with the external fixation.
If you are not aiming for 8cm in prescision, IT band release is not necessary.
Since hospitalization is too stressful, can I bring my father with me and stay in a hotel?
The consultation with the doctor was over, and I had a meeting with the office manager (the person at the center of the later trouble) in another room.
We discussed fees and where to stay.
The cause of pseudoarthrosis of the tibia in Vietnam was due to the osteotomy, position, and handling of the periosteum during the osteotomy, while the femur is only a problem when bone formation is too fast, so there is no worry about pseudoarthrosis. (I felt that the technique was also very high in Korea, and the handling of the periosteum was a point I had never heard of even in Japan).
The impression I got was very good and positive. I found out later that he may have wanted to have a patient anyway. You may make an appointment for surgery now. If there is any inconvenience, it can be changed immediately. Knowing that Korea charges a lot for rehabilitation, I asked about this point twice through the interpreter, but he just smiled and brushed it off.
To be honest, I was not so calm myself when I thought about what would happen later....
I returned home with a bullet, talked with my family, and decided to schedule my surgery for mid-September.
I then transferred the money for the surgery and preliminary tests via TransferWise, which was about 4.6 million at the rate of the time.

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« Reply #92 on: June 19, 2024, 10:15:26 AM »

3. surgery
Then, as planned, I went to Korea in mid-September 2023 and underwent surgery.
I boarded a plane at midnight on the day of admission, stayed at the McDonald's until morning, and entered the hospital first thing in the morning to be admitted. The hospital's dedicated interpreter was actually hired before I arrived and we exchanged lines.
They explained to me beforehand that I would need a nurse and that the total cost would be about 100,000.
I wish they would have told me that first...
Then I also had a meeting with the office manager,
If you don't take rehabilitation, you have to take other optional treatments anyway, such as ultrasound treatment.
If you don't take rehabilitation, you should take any other optional treatment such as ultrasound (and drop the money to KC)," the office manager told me through an interpreter.
In addition, I was told for the first time in the contract just before the surgery
1、Patients cannot refuse to post videos of interviews and treatment on Youtube, etc. (mosaic and audio processing will be done).
2. If the knee is bent, the external fixation is not removed.
2, If the knee is bent, they will not remove the external fixation.
To be honest, the first point in particular concerns the patient's privacy, and it is threatening to tell the patient about it right before the surgery,
I think it is almost intimidating to tell them this just before the surgery,
However, I was in a foreign country, so I could not do anything.
If you look at KC's youtube page, you will see that all the foreign patients that I know of are in the video.
I know that all the foreign patients I know are in the video.
On the other hand, I know some of the domestic patients, but they are not in the video.
If a domestic patient is made to sign a document asking to cooperate in the monitoring just before the
If they were asked to sign a document asking them to cooperate with the monitoring immediately before the video, it would cause a lot of problems, including legal action.
This is just a guess, but it is highly likely that KC imposes mandatory monitoring only on foreign patients.
The interpreter told me that this is an advertisement for a Korean hospital and that there is no problem for you, a Japanese patient. However, KC has recently made a video for Japanese people, which is a totally sophomoric statement!
I later realized that KC has cameras everywhere in the hospital, including examination rooms and rehabilitation rooms.
I later realized that there are cameras everywhere in KC's hospital, including examination rooms and rehabilitation rooms. The following video was taken without prior explanation. Of course, this is stated in the contract that is written just before the surgery, so the patient cannot refuse the explanation.
When I asked the interpreter about the camera, he gave me a vague answer.


(Incidentally, this video was taken secretly, and it was not said that it would be filmed in the future, and the audio includes the author's voice in places without processing.
At this point, my distrust of KC was quite high, and in fact, it was right.
The doctor also said, "Rehabu! Is! Impotento!" and said the same thing as any doctor.
The surgery went well, although the nerve block anesthesia before the surgery was painful.
After the surgery, I was more sleepy than painful (which was a good thing).
I didn't remember much during my hospital stay. The day before he was discharged, his father arrived.
He then stayed at a hotel and continued his extension.
The pain from the thigh extension was so severe that the painkillers the hospital gave me did not work at all,
It was very painful.
Therefore, I asked my father to go to the hospital for consultation, and after the extension was completed, he made a promise to remove the external wound fixation immediately.
I asked my father to consult with the hospital and promised to remove the external fixation immediately after the extension was completed.
When the amount of extension reached 4 cm, it is very difficult! I was told that my bone formation was poor.
Oh... I knew that the painkillers the hospital had prescribed were no longer effective, and there was a risk of infection from wearing the external fixation any longer, and I couldn't take it anymore.

Looking back, I wonder if the fact that he was hospitalized once for removal of external fixation was a kind of theatricality.
Was it some kind of theatricality?

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