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[Staystrong]

Question for old ones from this forum or for those who did 12cm with Betzbone -
I'm wondering how your legs look like, do you have any pain in knees etc?

I know that's a lot to lengthen but here is what receptionist of Dr. Becker said when I emailed them -
Our patients can gain 10-12 cm in leg length with an operation on the thighs. Approx. 8-10 cm is possible on the lower legs. You could thus achieve a total of approx. 20-22 cm in additional height in two surgeries.

8-10 cm on tibia, really? I'm not sure if they are just trying to sell their surgery or not really smart in lengthening.

I was thinking to do 10 cm on femurs and that's it then came to 8cm because it's safe.
I see lot's of people who did lengthening with Becker recently.
But how are those doing who did 10cm plus?
I'm curious how are these people doing months after the surgery because many people start their diary and then just disappear and you don't know what happened with them if they are dead or alive!

[Kintaeryos]

Question for old ones from this forum or for those who did 12cm with Betzbone -
I'm wondering how your legs look like, do you have any pain in knees etc?

I know that's a lot to lengthen but here is what receptionist of Dr. Becker said when I emailed them -
Our patients can gain 10-12 cm in leg length with an operation on the thighs. Approx. 8-10 cm is possible on the lower legs. You could thus achieve a total of approx. 20-22 cm in additional height in two surgeries.

8-10 cm on tibia, really? I'm not sure if they are just trying to sell their surgery or not really smart in lengthening.

I was thinking to so 10 cm on femurs and that's it then came to 8cm because it's safe.
I see lot's of people who did lengthening with Becker recently.
But how are those doing who did 10cm plus?
I'm curious how are these people doing months after the surgery because many people start their diary and then just disappear and you don't know what happened with them if they are dead or alive!

I haven't lengthened with them, I'm sure you'll get replies from those who have, but those numbers are contradicted by pretty much every reputable LL doctor, I'd be very careful with them. 8-10 cm tibia is preposterous, 7.5 is the absolute max I've heard done and generally 5 cm is given as the safety limit. Telling you you can achieve 20-22 cm of height increase is LiveLifeTaller/Wannabetaller-levels of shadiness.

[Staystrong]

I haven't lengthened with them, I'm sure you'll get replies from those who have, but those numbers are contradicted by pretty much every reputable LL doctor, I'd be very careful with them. 8-10 cm tibia is preposterous, 7.5 is the absolute max I've heard done and generally 5 cm is given as the safety limit. Telling you you can achieve 20-22 cm of height increase is LiveLifeTaller/Wannabetaller-levels of shadiness.

Yes, but that's Germany! Not Turkey.
It's interesting, I didn't see very bad cases from Betz-Becker on this forum

[TheDream]

Paley said in his recent interview (timestamp 1:00:00 to 1:03:00 https://www.youtube.com/live/i8eVt0r1xoI?si=63v46GYv5aUtY7ty) that any doctor promising stuff beyond 6 cm femur and 4 cm tibia should be avoided. I dont know how Betz and Becker let patients lengthen this much in good conscience but as Paley is probably the most experienced in this field I’d listen to him on this.

[1team]

Paley said in his recent interview (timestamp 1:00:00 to 1:03:00 https://www.youtube.com/live/i8eVt0r1xoI?si=63v46GYv5aUtY7ty) that any doctor promising stuff beyond 6 cm femur and 4 cm tibia should be avoided. I dont know how Betz and Becker let patients lengthen this much in good conscience but as Paley is probably the most experienced in this field I’d listen to him on this.

Didn't Paley used to promise 8cm femur not too long ago?

[TheDream]

Didn't Paley used to promise 8cm femur not too long ago?

From what I know Paleys line is the same as Birkholtz’ which is not to promise over 6 cm but to evaluate the patient at that point and see if they can try for 7 cm. Then again at 7 cm to evaluate them again and see if they can push for 8 cm as the final max.

If it was different before i do not know.

[Staystrong]

But still guys, I've seen 2 diaries and those guys did 12cm femur however they stopped updating us.. I'm wondering how are they now. Can they walk normally? Another patient did 10.5 with LON (in Turkey) seems like he was fine, he is in Instagram and that company is advertising themselves with his videos. I would say 10 is max but still... 12 is like crazy.
The question is - how safe Betzbone is if they advice 8-10cm tibia and 12 femur. insane amounts!

[GrowGrow123]

Yeah there was one dude who did 12cm on femurs with Dr. Becker:

https://www.limblengthening/threads/betzbone-surgery-dr-becker-january-2023.5/page-5

Still seems to be recovering and working through it a year later which is to be expected when lengthening that much.

[Staystrong]

Yeah there was one dude who did 12cm on femurs with Dr. Becker:

https://www.limblengthening/threads/betzbone-surgery-dr-becker-january-2023.5/page-5

Still seems to be recovering and working through it a year later which is to be expected when lengthening that much.

I'm curious if he will fix his lordosis.
Can you image to stay like that?
On the last video from September 15th when he walks without crutches, he looks very disabled

[Kintaeryos]

Yeah there was one dude who did 12cm on femurs with Dr. Becker:

https://www.limblengthening/threads/betzbone-surgery-dr-becker-january-2023.5/page-5

Still seems to be recovering and working through it a year later which is to be expected when lengthening that much.

12 cm on femurs? Jesus

[DonBones]

One important point is that no patient is forced to do 12cm, neither Becker nor Betz point a gun to your head and say "that or nothing". Betz did openly say during the consultation that less is safer, that I can keep 100% of my function until about 5cm, but did also highlight that patients came back to them because they were not happy with 5cm or less.

It is ultimately a personal choice. I did 5cm and am very happy with it, someone starting at 160cm will not see any difference at 5cm and must do more, as do people with extreme leg length discrepancies. For people like that Betzbone is a boon.

I think it is important people reconsider the ad hominem approach of blaming Betz and Becker for the increased risks associated with higher lengthening distances. It is like blaming Porsche for building faster, riskier cars or blaming NASA for offering some gifted individuals the opportunity to board Columbia.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

I never heard of any patient who had ever done 12cm femur with Betzbone.
If you really want to achieve 12cm just do quad. Doing 12cm femur is really too crazy.
Don't expect to accomplish anything beyond 6-7cm by just doing bilateral lengthening.

[CLLvet]

I did 8 cm on my femur and 6.2 cm on my tibias. My surgeries were roughly 3 years apart, so I did not do quadrilateral lengthening in one go, but rather femurs in 2019 (Stryde internal) and then tibias in 2023 (with LATN External TSF Frames).

Since the Stryde nail had been discontinued by the time I was deciding on my 2nd surgery and I was hesitant about using external nails, I asked Dr. Giotikas if he would consider just doing another femur lengthening for me. I wanted to be weight-bearing, so I did not seriously consider doing Precice on my tibias. The only option for weight-bearing tibias is external frames. 

Giotikas flat out refused to lengthen my femurs further. He advised me that it was very unsafe to go further on the femur because no credible studies had proven that 10 cm or more on the femurs was safe.  So he advised me to stick to doing tibias and that is what we did.

Every reputable surgeon I have spoken to advises "safe limits" as being 7-8 cm on femurs and/ or more than 5-6 cms on tibias. I don't personally know of any patients that went more than 8.2 cm on the femurs and/more than 7.5 cm on tibias. Keep in mind that going 7-7.5 cm on tibias carries a high risk of ballerina foot, so that needs to be proactively monitored.

So if you do femurs + tibias and hit those maximums, that would equal close to 16 cm in total length. That is certainly life changing height.

Like some of the other posters here, I have also seen diaries from patients that went all the way up to 10 cm on femurs. I think those results are atypical (maybe 2% of patients might be able to do that) and it comes with a great deal of risks.

For those kinds of diaries, I don't doubt their credibility. However, somebody who states they lengthened 20-22 cm in combined femurs and tibias would cause me serious doubt. It is important to keep in mind that anyone can write a diary on a forum and we really have no way to independently verify the claims. If someone writes a diary like that and then "disappears" once follow up questions start pouring in, I feel that could raise credibility issues.   

Therefore, I would be a bit surprised if a clinic consistently advertised 20-22 cm lengthening as a typical/ achievable result for most people. It just goes against everything I have learned and experienced about CLL over the past 4 years of researching this topic extensively, interviewing surgeons, and then personally undergoing it twice.   

[Kintaeryos]

Therefore, I would be a bit surprised if a clinic consistently advertised 20-22 cm lengthening as a typical/ achievable result for most people. It just goes against everything I have learned and experienced about CLL over the past 4 years of researching this topic extensively, interviewing surgeons, and then personally undergoing it twice.   

How did you interview surgeons? Consultations?

[CLLvet]

How did you interview surgeons? Consultations?

Yes, exactly. Interview is not the best word. These were just consultations. But I came prepared with a list of questions so that the conversation would not get derailed and we could make the best use of the surgeon's (limited) time.

[Body Builder]

Tall from the old forum did 11cm on femurs with Betz. And he was crippled because he had major pains in the knees after about 2 years. He did 4-5cm to tibias after that to try to fix the biomechanics and maybe the pains amd then we lost his trace.
Only an idiot would let someone lengthen more than 8cm on femurs. And this is something that Betz and now the hair transplant Becker, his successor, let to almost any of their patients wants it and without even itb release.
Thats why I never thought of him as a respectable doctor. I don't even talk about his successor who doesn't even have the experience to be considered an option for LL. For hair transplants maybe.

[Staystrong]

Tall from the old forum did 11cm on femurs with Betz. And he was crippled because he had major pains in the knees after about 2 years. He did 4-5cm to tibias after that to try to fix the biomechanics and maybe the pains amd then we lost his trace.
Only an idiot would let someone lengthen more than 8cm on femurs. And this is something that Betz and now the hair transplant Becker, his successor, let to almost any of their patients wants it and without even itb release.
Thats why I never thought of him as a respectable doctor. I don't even talk about his successor who doesn't even have the experience to be considered an option for LL. For hair transplants maybe.

That's crazy!
Interesting fact is that pain in knees showed up in a 2 years!
That means that some patients like the new guy mentioned above do 12 cm with Betzbone and think that they are cool and then pain in knees come!
Thanks for letting me know, that makes sense that pain or complications can come later.
I'll stick with 8 cm that is safe amount.

[Staystrong]

Yes, exactly. Interview is not the best word. These were just consultations. But I came prepared with a list of questions so that the conversation would not get derailed and we could make the best use of the surgeon's (limited) time.

You did Stryde in 2019 - 8 cm so it was almost 4 years ago!
To be honest - any complications? Do you have anything that might disturb you?

[Taller90]

I just came back to the forum since a long time and crushed into this thread.

Guys, please stick with the facts. As one guy said before, neither Betz nor Becker force you to go to the limit of the nail. In fact they monitor you, so that you can see how much you can achieve. Everyone is different so someone can achieve more than 8 cm someone only 6 etc.

From what I know there are not enough representative studies which proves that ever millimeter about 8 cm is turning you into cripple. With the right physio and doctor a lot is possible just have a look what some professional athletes are able to do.

I have done 10.7 cm and now, 1,5 years after lengthening I am totally fine. I can jump, run and walk totally normal of course I lost some speedness and the new biomechanics is something you need to get used to but nobody notice that I would walk like a cripple or so.

So everything is possible and I also don’t know why so much doctors limit their patients with 8cm in femur. Maybe because their nails they have to use do not service more? I don’t know but it is the only explanation I see…

[Staystrong]

Sounds like Betzbone commercial!!
I clearly stated, they sent me email and said 10cm tibia, 12cm - femur.
For tibia it's nonsense!
So stop!

[Beemer m3]

there was a guy on here that had lengthen 12 cm on his femur. forgot who he went with but he had a y.tb. video and had really bad gait with crutches. he did it in 2023 too. long femur for sure but his tibia didnt grow. 12 cm growth thats like 1 yr of bone regeneration. thats a long time to recover.

[deler93367]

Question for old ones from this forum or for those who did 12cm with Betzbone -
I'm wondering how your legs look like, do you have any pain in knees etc?

I know that's a lot to lengthen but here is what receptionist of Dr. Becker said when I emailed them -
Our patients can gain 10-12 cm in leg length with an operation on the thighs. Approx. 8-10 cm is possible on the lower legs. You could thus achieve a total of approx. 20-22 cm in additional height in two surgeries.

8-10 cm on tibia, really? I'm not sure if they are just trying to sell their surgery or not really smart in lengthening.

I was thinking to do 10 cm on femurs and that's it then came to 8cm because it's safe.
I see lot's of people who did lengthening with Becker recently.
But how are those doing who did 10cm plus?
I'm curious how are these people doing months after the surgery because many people start their diary and then just disappear and you don't know what happened with them if they are dead or alive!

either do it or dont do it. stay short or do something. its up to you. do you research instead of crying on a forum online. you sound like a little kid. at the end of the day its your life we dont care what you want to do

[Staystrong]

either do it or dont do it. stay short or do something. its up to you. do you research instead of crying on a forum online. you sound like a little kid. at the end of the day its your life we dont care what you want to do

This forum was created to share thoughts and talk with the other people who already had experience. To warn new patients for not making mistakes that other people did!
You sound like a deep $hit, and nobody asked your opinion!
Either do what? Lengthen tibia for 10cm? Idiot!!!!!!
F4cking Beckers advocate   

[Staystrong]

either do it or dont do it. stay short or do something. its up to you. do you research instead of crying on a forum online. you sound like a little kid. at the end of the day its your life we dont care what you want to do

This d4mb f4ck quickly created profile to protect 10cm tibia Betzbone lengthening LOL

[deler93367]

This d4mb f4ck quickly created profile to protect 10cm tibia Betzbone lengthening LOL

we honestly dont care what you do or dont do. stay short forever for all we care. your just on here complaining and arguing and crying over nonsense. kids these days... judging from how you talk you wouldnt have a successfull lengthening and this is not for you to do. i would forget about it and just live your life kid. ll is not for you. your not cut out for it.

for your best interest just forget about everything ll and live your life. this is not for you. you do realize docs check for you to be mentally stable and you wont pass this for sure. if you pass that you will have complications and its not going to be good for you so just forget about ll and move on with your life. be happy with your current height.

[Staystrong]

we honestly dont care what you do or dont do. stay short forever for all we care. your just on here complaining and arguing and crying over nonsense. kids these days... judging from how you talk you wouldnt have a successfull lengthening and this is not for you to do. i would forget about it and just live your life kid. ll is not for you. your not cut out for it.

for your best interest just forget about everything ll and live your life. this is not for you. you do realize docs check for you to be mentally stable and you wont pass this for sure. if you pass that you will have complications and its not going to be good for you so just forget about ll and move on with your life. be happy with your current height.

hey d4mb f4ck, started to read first 5 words of your text and stopped because it's nonsense $hit. From what @ss you showed up with your fake just created profile? Let me guess, Beckers @ss to protect him LOL! And it's about morning now in Germany. Only retarded doctor and his assistants will recommend 10cm to lengthen on tibia!
Now go and cry under your mother's skirt, kid 

[deler93367]

hey d4mb f4ck, started to read first 5 words of your text and stopped because it's nonsense $hit. From what @ss you showed up with your fake just created profile? Let me guess, Beckers @ss to protect him LOL! And it's about morning now in Germany. Only retarded doctor and his assistants will recommend 10cm to lengthen on tibia!
Now go and cry under your mother's skirt, kid 

dont do LL just forget about it. it wont end well for you. you will have complicatons or worse. just be happy with your current height its good enough

[Body Builder]

I just came back to the forum since a long time and crushed into this thread.

Guys, please stick with the facts. As one guy said before, neither Betz nor Becker force you to go to the limit of the nail. In fact they monitor you, so that you can see how much you can achieve. Everyone is different so someone can achieve more than 8 cm someone only 6 etc.

From what I know there are not enough representative studies which proves that ever millimeter about 8 cm is turning you into cripple. With the right physio and doctor a lot is possible just have a look what some professional athletes are able to do.

I have done 10.7 cm and now, 1,5 years after lengthening I am totally fine. I can jump, run and walk totally normal of course I lost some speedness and the new biomechanics is something you need to get used to but nobody notice that I would walk like a cripple or so.

So everything is possible and I also don’t know why so much doctors limit their patients with 8cm in femur. Maybe because their nails they have to use do not service more? I don’t know but it is the only explanation I see…

No respectable doctor do more than 8cm on femurs. Moreover 10-12 cm that only Betz and now Becker do to almost anyone who wants it.
Tall was 1.78 before LL and they even let him lengthen 11 cm and crippled him without any real benefit as he could stopped at 8cm and be tall and normal. A respectable doctor, especially in cases like that where there is absolutely no reason for extra risks, shouldn't let him lengthen nor eben 1mm after the safety limit but as good merchants they let anyone to lengthen as much as he wants.

I hope you will be good in the long term but 1,5 years after LL is not much. If after 3 years you are ok then maybe you won't have any major problem, at least not in the next 15-20 years as all of us are of course in risk of premature arthritis, especially the ones we lengthened more than the safety limits. Although anyone is different and some bodies can adapt better to others even with more lengthening.

[YOUNGandSTRONG]

I never heard of any patient who had ever done 12cm femur with Betzbone.
If you really want to achieve 12cm just do quad. Doing 12cm femur is really too crazy.
Don't expect to accomplish anything beyond 6-7cm by just doing bilateral lengthening.

Dude, you have a thousand posts in this forum and you haven't read the experiences of all the people who have gone for 11-12cm with Betz 🗿🗿. You'd be surprised how many people even outside of this forum try that.

[YOUNGandSTRONG]

Tall from the old forum did 11cm on femurs with Betz. And he was crippled because he had major pains in the knees after about 2 years. He did 4-5cm to tibias after that to try to fix the biomechanics and maybe the pains amd then we lost his trace.
Only an idiot would let someone lengthen more than 8cm on femurs. And this is something that Betz and now the hair transplant Becker, his successor, let to almost any of their patients wants it and without even itb release.
Thats why I never thought of him as a respectable doctor. I don't even talk about his successor who doesn't even have the experience to be considered an option for LL. For hair transplants maybe.

In fact there were 6... and if the Precice II had already been on the market it would have made 8, since the first precise allowed a cup of 6 cm maximum. I remember being Tall, there is currently a way to access the old forum through "WayBackMachine", they were good diaries.

[Staystrong]

dont do LL just forget about it. it wont end well for you. you will have complicatons or worse. just be happy with your current height its good enough

You see that red coloured thing on my avatar picture?
That's goes directly in your mouth. period)