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[Ted68]

This doctor seems like a really nice person. If Dr. For example, if you compare Gökhan Bilgili with other Turkish doctors, what would you say about his quality? Some Turkish doctors, for example Dr. Halil Buldu are advertised a lot, but people look at it with suspicion. How do you judge the quality in comparison?

Man, as I wrote in my diary, there are only two good doctors in Turkey: Kucukaya and Gokhan... and they never advertise themself !
The rest are lower... And if you continue to look for cheap price, you will end up with butchers !

[dingdongditch]

Ok, no worries! But I would try to join that server as soon as possible because there is a very thriving community there with lots of experience.
Sucks to see you go through so much pain, would love to see you get some help before. Let me know if you're having any other issues!

[rotzputzen]

You did not just have one problem but half a dozen problems. While bad luck could be involved, the likely reason for your  ty journey is actually your doctor.

[hemhem]

Hey Ted68, I read your diary. It is fascinating and informative. Do you think a total of 40,000-50,000 Euros would be enough for a quadrilateral surgery (precice 2 LL) in Turkey? Would the Lon method be suitable for such a surgery, because you have experienced all these and your valuable experiences are very important to us. Türkiye is really a wonderful country. Have fun there and enjoy it.

[Ted68]

Ok, no worries! But I would try to join that server as soon as possible because there is a very thriving community there with lots of experience.
Sucks to see you go through so much pain, would love to see you get some help before. Let me know if you're having any other issues!

Sure, man, I will join your guys there asap, when I will be home. Here the internet is crazy slow...
Thank you

[Ted68]

Hey Ted68, I read your diary. It is fascinating and informative. Do you think a total of 40,000-50,000 Euros would be enough for a quadrilateral surgery (precice 2 LL) in Turkey? Would the Lon method be suitable for such a surgery, because you have experienced all these and your valuable experiences are very important to us. Türkiye is really a wonderful country. Have fun there and enjoy it.

Man, I paid already more than double for my surgeries, than your estimation !
If you really need to be cheaper, do Precice on Femurs and LON on tibias, and those will cost you lower than 100.000 Euro.
If you do it as it should be best, with quad Precice, it will cost you minimum 110.000 Euro to my doctor.
Again, NEVER go to other doctor for Precice nails in Turkey !!

Yes, Turkey, is a very touristic country, and because I live close by, i was in Turkey to visit many times.
They have the best Tourism in our area, better than north-Africa, Cyprus, Greece, even Italy.
Turkish really knows how to do tourism, they have high standard, low prices and nice people !!

[Ted68]

You did not just have one problem but half a dozen problems. While bad luck could be involved, the likely reason for your  ty journey is actually your doctor.

Well... there are many things to put in balance here, as I told you before

[hemhem]

Thank you for the information you provided, it is really valuable. I agree with you about Turkish tourism. I have been to different parts of Turkey for vacation since my childhood. People are really helpful, friendly, and hospitable. So, in your opinion, is it possible to lengthen the legs completely quadrilateral using the Lon method? Do Turkish doctors do this? Because I am 1.64 cm tall, and I need more lengthening. At least it should be worth the pain I have suffered because I have waited all these years and I deserve it.

[Ted68]

Thank you for the information you provided, it is really valuable. I agree with you about Turkish tourism. I have been to different parts of Turkey for vacation since my childhood. People are really helpful, friendly, and hospitable. So, in your opinion, is it possible to lengthen the legs completely quadrilateral using the Lon method? Do Turkish doctors do this? Because I am 1.64 cm tall, and I need more lengthening. At least it should be worth the pain I have suffered because I have waited all these years and I deserve it.

You're welcome, man...

Yes, if you really want a cheap and good vacation, go in Turkey.

Man, dont do LON femur, because you will hate your life !!
If you are 1.64, with 8 cm Precice on femur and 6 cm LON on tibia you get 14 cm, that means a total of 1.78... and this is a good height for a man... And with normal shoe heels you are over 1.80.
But, keep in mind, if you dont have a minimum of 80.000 Euro, dont start this, because sometimes you need more money on the way...

[hemhem]

Man, Thanks for your valuable advice, I will think about it. But, what do you think about the people who made Femur-Lon in Turkey? Do you consider them successful or unsuccessful?

[Ted68]

Man, Thanks for your valuable advice, I will think about it. But, what do you think about the people who made Femur-Lon in Turkey? Do you consider them successful or unsuccessful?

Man, LON on femur is very painful and gives big scars. Also, the risk of osteomyelitis is higher.
The muscle on femurs reacts painfuly to those pins which stretch them every day.
But, of course, there are few guys who did it, so just do a deep research here and you will find them !

[Ted68]

23 Dec 2024

Ok, guys…. today I got exactly one year from my first surgery and I am not able to walk normally because many reasons, as I wrote before in detail.
So, I had to come back in Turkey for another complicated surgery, so I can fix all the problems I got.
I live 100 km away from the airport, so I asked a friend to bring me there with his car. In the airport I had to look for wheelchair service, while walking with 2 canes.
I arrived in the  Istanbul airport and another wheelchair helped me to arrive to the main door, but he left me there, not to the minivan…. so I had to walk few hundreds meters with my canes and to take an elevator to the minivan.
And the minivan was late and I had to wait standing on my canes for 20 minutes…
Nice, isn’t it ?... and nobody apologized for that, like usually in Turkey…

Finally, I arrived to doctor’s office to talk details about my surgery. After that they moved me to the hospital where I put again my signatures on many document in turkey, which I never understood what is written there. Then I went to blood test, talking with anesthetist and doing first set of x-rays.

So, five days ago I did the 4-th surgery, for:
1. Removing completely the both tibial nails and screws
2. Mounting 2 plates on each tibia
3. Corrected the Procurvatum and Bow legs
4. Take bone from my Iliac
5. Put graft in both tibias

The graft was taken from the Iliac Spine bone, which is great, because now I can lay back with no pelvis pain. Otherwise, If would have been taken from Iliac Crest, I couldn’t stay on my back. Thank you, doctor !

I underwent the surgery in a lower quality private hospital, named Atlas Medicine, which is much lower than Medicana where I had the previous surgeries. They have stains on walls, scratched furniture, rusted water taps, etc.
Also, the nurses are not as nice as it should be. One of them, maximum 25 years old,  got irritated because I asked her too many details about what she is doing and what she puts in my perfusion. And when I called her on the emergency button later, she not even came to me and I was in a bad moment alone for 1 hour and nobody helped me !!... 
So, this is a shame for a private hospital !
The food in the hospital is ok, but they never give napkins and salt… and the food has no salt. Also, they give spicy soup, and this is not good for people, because irritate the body. If you want to make a tea, you cant, because they bring a small cup of water, which is already warm to cold when it arrives to your room.
I got 2 set of x-rays in the hospital and those technicians not even knows how to take pictures from their display, so are all low quality, taken in a bad angle, from distance and some of them blurred. I had to edit my pictures so I can understand something…

Doctor gave me opioids in perfusion, so these put me again in a bad situation, having dizziness, bad sweat and hard constipation. If I had know that, I would ask to bring me Kefir from the first day, but now I stayed constipated for 6 days !
Also, in the surgery room somebody scratched badly my urethra and urinary sphincter, so I have atrocious pain every time when I pee, plus blood in urine…And they have no medicine for that. I recommended them a capsule that I used in my country, a specific one for urinary tract with Methylene Blue, which reduce very soon the inflammation and pain while peeing… but in Turkey doesn’t exist such thing !!... So I had to suffer extra, on top of the rest of pain and stress, till the urethra will heal by itself  !
I should take with me that medicine from home, but who the f**k would know that they will damage my urethra… because they never did it in the 3 previous surgeries !!

They didnt offered me PT in the money that I paid, so I tried few times to stand up, as doctor asked me, but I couldn’t, because I have bad pain in the back calf muscles which pull the Achile tendon. So, when doctor removed the distal screws which blocked the nail in lower part, he damaged the muscle a bit, so now I have to wait till the muscles heal, so I can stand up and try to walk. But, for sure I need PT, because I need to mobilize and stretch my ankles slowly and supervised by a specialist...

My big concern now is if these plates can support my weight, because doesn’t look to be very strong, so I am scared not to bend them when I will stand up and walk. I am very carefully, like usual, but if these plates bend when I stand up, in my country…I will be f****d

Here you can see the pictures with my new tibial configuration:

Tibia - left frontal
https://photos.app.goo.gl/NiAVWXHyS1dqGfjk9

Tibia - left sagittal
https://photos.app.goo.gl/gy9MJaxqwYQDxtRi8

Tibia - right frontal
https://photos.app.goo.gl/JVXL5ANv1W7AMewP9

Tibia - right sagittal
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kwYGiheYH42dyU6W7

They charged me money for the surgery, hospitalization, hotel and trips… even if all these are not my fault. So, if I didn’t have money, I should have taken a loan or something. so I can go and fix my extra problems !!
Keep in mind guys, you NEVER  START  this crazy adventure if you don’t have extra money left for extra problems !!

I stayed 4 days in the hospital and now, for the rest of 6 days, I moved to the Antwell hotel, which I like it. The food is amazing, they change my bed sheets everyday if I want. I have all conditions I need. Also I met my nurse and nice employees in the hotel. They recognized me right away, wishing me good health.
I fell here almost like home, because I lived here for 5 months before...

They gave me the wheelchair I had before, but the brakes are loose and don’t hold at all the wheels. Also the tires are flat, so I have hard time rolling the wheelchair to go to the food area on the corridor’s carpets. So now I have to adjust brakes but I have no hex wrench and also I have to inflate the tires. ... because I need exercises, isnt it ?
Finally, after 3 days of staying in hotel i received a set of hex wrenches from one of my PT guys and I adjusted my brakes...
They didn’t bring me the rolling walker because they have only one and they gave it to a different patient, so I have to start walking with my canes.

I paid the whole package service for 10 days, to Dec 27, because doctor said will be enough… But as I can see, I cannot walk at all, so maybe I will need to extend few days more… and obviously, to pay more for the hotel !
Now I have 4 days more to stay and I hope I can recover myself a bit, so I can step with my canes and go home…

[Body Builder]

You're welcome, man...

Yes, if you really want a cheap and good vacation, go in Turkey.

Man, dont do LON femur, because you will hate your life !!
If you are 1.64, with 8 cm Precice on femur and 6 cm LON on tibia you get 14 cm, that means a total of 1.78... and this is a good height for a man... And with normal shoe heels you are over 1.80.
But, keep in mind, if you dont have a minimum of 80.000 Euro, dont start this, because sometimes you need more money on the way...

Turkey is not cheap and generally speaking is a third world.country. even Istanbul is dirty, way too crowded, very expensive and with only a few places worth seeing, especially for a so huge city.
And for LL it is the second worst option after India.

That said, keep strong in your LL journey!

[dingdongditch]

Thanks for the update! Hopefully things are on the path to recovery.
Have you been eating enough by the way? It is a rather unknown tip, but you should ideally be eating 3000-4000 calories during this phase. Your body is healing so it needs a lot more food and energy to grow new bone!

Also, you can consider using Teriparatride - some have found it is very helpful in healing bone!

[Ted68]

Turkey is not cheap and generally speaking is a third world.country. even Istanbul is dirty, way too crowded, very expensive and with only a few places worth seeing, especially for a so huge city.
And for LL it is the second worst option after India.

That said, keep strong in your LL journey!

Thank you

[Ted68]

Thanks for the update! Hopefully things are on the path to recovery.
Have you been eating enough by the way? It is a rather unknown tip, but you should ideally be eating 3000-4000 calories during this phase. Your body is healing so it needs a lot more food and energy to grow new bone!

Also, you can consider using Teriparatride - some have found it is very helpful in healing bone!

Yeah, I am eating...
I got bone graft, so doctor said I can even decrease the Calcium I take. So, no need anything else for callus formation.
Thank you

[hemhem]

Merry Christmas to all!

Thank you for your valuable advice, Body Builder. Along with the increasing demand, Türkiye has become very expensive for this operation. I have contacted some centers here, and it is not really cheap. Well, my friend, based on your experience, are there any cheaper and better quality places that you can recommend to people on a tight budget like us? I would be happy if you could let me know. I know how experienced you are in this regard.

By the way, Merry Christmas to you all, again!

[Gin]

Turkey is not cheap and generally speaking is a third world.country. even Istanbul is dirty, way too crowded, very expensive and with only a few places worth seeing, especially for a so huge city.
And for LL it is the second worst option after India.

That said, keep strong in your LL journey!

Yeah it's not cheap anymore and might not be the best country to get that surgery, still your post sounds too bitter.

However I do wonder about the current prices of LL surgery in Turkey and Germany.

[Ted68]

Turkey is not cheap and generally speaking is a third world.country. even Istanbul is dirty, way too crowded, very expensive and with only a few places worth seeing, especially for a so huge city.
And for LL it is the second worst option after India.

That said, keep strong in your LL journey!

Man, please dont touch these aspects, because you dont know what you are saying !
Turkey was given a tourism rank of 4th in the world !
Turkey Byzantine and Ottoman empires are maybe the richest in history, so you have SO MANY PLACES TO VISIT in Turkey !!... in every corner they have history, even from the earlier Byzantine period... like Greeks and other emperors for 5000 years continuously until now !!
I advise you to read some history... because is very clear you have no idea.

Yes, they have some Third World aspects, but in other ways they are way forward than east-Europe, South America, Asia, etc. They are modern and open minded people, more opened than Emirates for example !!
Most of negatives are coming from the politics, otherwise they are hard working people and well industrialized.... I am not going through politics and religion here, because its a huge discussion, but overall, they are much better than other countries which are not ticked with Third World stamp, like Russia for example !!

And, about LL, yes... because many butchers in Turkey, you put them all in the same basket !!... But, my doctor is not a butcher, also few others in Turkey !
Also, Turkey is on the 5-th place in Health Tourism in the world.

The worst compare is with India.... Well, this is a real insult, because there is no way to compare !!...
India is waaaaay behind Turkey in civilization and medical school !!... India only has too many people so you can pick few smart people from the huge crowd of human beings, nothing else !

But, thank your for your wishes to me !

[Ted68]

A great and interesting picture guys... what do you think ?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ncVidnhSjx1Xeu5g9

And this is only for strong people... Warning !

https://photos.app.goo.gl/XDTxstXb5By5mF9FA

This what I am doing in my Christmas time...

[1team]

Hope this last set of tibia surgeries is the final set you need before nail removal.

Are you telling your wife and kids/grandkids exactly what's happening or are you making up a story so they don't worry as much? Wondering how your loved ones are handling all these complications you are having.

[Ted68]

Hope this last set of tibia surgeries is the final set you need before nail removal.

Are you telling your wife and kids/grandkids exactly what's happening or are you making up a story so they don't worry as much? Wondering how your loved ones are handling all these complications you are having.

Yes, man, this is what i say every day, to be the last surgery before finish... because is too much for anyone !

Well, I dont have too many relatives, nobody helped me, so j dont care about their opinion ...

Thank you

[dingdongditch]

Merry Christmas man! Best of luck - you got this!