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JackHKer

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Limb lengthening suggestion
« on: December 14, 2023, 11:06:59 AM »

If you are reading this post, thank you for your time.

I am a 23year male from Hong Kong who is around 170-172 depend on the day.
I would like to increase my height by 6.5 cm.
My goal is around 177/178cm, which is decent enough in Hong Kong

Based on my research , I think that lon tibia is a good method, or are there any method I should consider
Also, I would like to stay in Asia for my surgery, thinking of Dr Chung in Korea right now. Or are there any good option?
My goal is to complete the surgery in 3-4 months and spend around 40-50k(max) .
Thanks a lot
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Re: Limb lengthening suggestion
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2023, 05:32:10 PM »

LON on tibias while is not the best method, it certainly works and it's the cheapest. So, that's a huge plus. I would suggest, in case you finally decide to go for it, don't do more than 5cm, that's the safest lenght you should do to avoid conplications. Tibias are far more prone to conplications if you abuse them.

Also, I know there is a really good Dr. in Vietnam. He is good, and not expensive.
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Re: Limb lengthening suggestion
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2023, 08:33:13 PM »

40k-50k is a lot of money. i did lon tibia in hanoi vietnam . for like 23.5k for 3.5 months. now im at home. u will use google translate because they dont speak english there. u can use grab for food but they got food there but its not that good on somedays. theres a Canadian guy currently there who did 8 cm. they have it in saigon too but the caretaking is alot different and not too much information about it. im still spending money on food delivery back at home its going to cost me like $1.5k a month. the caretaker there is like a 4 out of 10 lol. imo. the doctor does this surgery alot. people use him alot even without the accommodation.
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before 168cm current 173.5 cm
ilizarov tibia
sept 2023

goal 2025-26 precice max femur

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Re: Limb lengthening suggestion
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2023, 08:24:00 PM »

"Based on my research , I think that lon tibia is a good method, or are there any method I should consider"

Lol, so you haven't done any research then. Even the external fixator advocates on this forum like Bodybuilder will tell you LON is garbage and to do external frames only, no internal rod(LON).

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Current LL plan:
QLL in Early 2025 using the PRECICE nail with Dr. Birkholtz.
4cm tibia, 4cm femur. One year later, re-break for another 4+4. 167cm -> 175cm -> 183cm

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Re: Limb lengthening suggestion
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2023, 11:09:03 PM »

I want to walk asap so that I can get back to workplace . Maybe I have a misconception that as much internal it is , it is more safe. If I miss understood , feel free to point it out. Thanks
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Re: Limb lengthening suggestion
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2023, 05:08:53 AM »

"Based on my research , I think that lon tibia is a good method, or are there any method I should consider"

Lol, so you haven't done any research then. Even the external fixator advocates on this forum like Bodybuilder will tell you LON is garbage and to do external frames only, no internal rod(LON).

Why would LON be bad over pure external? I assume a rod inside your bones would help with consolidation and early recovery.
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Beemer m3

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Re: Limb lengthening suggestion
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2023, 08:58:30 AM »

im 2 months off frame removal . i can not walk without crutches. still walking with a gait. my muscles still stretched out. only for some people. some people have recovery fast. remember if u did precice 2 u wouldnt be walking unasisted for a long time. due to non weightbearing. but u will be on crutches at least after 4 months.
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before 168cm current 173.5 cm
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Re: Limb lengthening suggestion
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2023, 12:48:13 PM »

40k-50k is a lot of money. i did lon tibia in hanoi vietnam . for like 23.5k for 3.5 months. now im at home. u will use google translate because they dont speak english there. u can use grab for food but they got food there but its not that good on somedays. theres a Canadian guy currently there who did 8 cm. they have it in saigon too but the caretaking is alot different and not too much information about it. im still spending money on food delivery back at home its going to cost me like $1.5k a month. the caretaker there is like a 4 out of 10 lol. imo. the doctor does this surgery alot. people use him alot even without the accommodation.
8cm on LON tibias? That's way past safe plus in a country where he'd have a hard time translating. Seems dangerous.
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Ideal goal: (178cm~180cm) 5'10~5'11 with two separate bilateral(femur+tibia) lengthening / (183cm) 6' at max safe goal
Normal goal: (176cm) 5'9 with femur lengthening
Minimum goal: (173.5cm) 5'8 with femur/tibia lengthening

Plan in 2025~2026 when Precice Max comes and has some good outcomes.

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Re: Limb lengthening suggestion
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2023, 01:41:22 PM »

Best option in Korea is Donghoon of course. Not sure what his current pricing is, but maybe you could fit into LON tibia with your budget.

There is also a Korean forum which talks about LL, you could try finding it and see what are their opinions on the doctors there.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2023, 02:58:36 PM »

Why would LON be bad over pure external? I assume a rod inside your bones would help with consolidation and early recovery.
Because it is riskier as you will have something inside your bone, moreover together with external nails.which make the risk of infection way bigger and also you will need a big surgery after about 2 years to remove the nail.
Externals only are still fully weightbearing, you will need only 1 major surgery (still not as major as putting an internal nail too), they are more painless and cheaper. If.you are ok to have some big frames for about 8 months then there is no drawback compared to any other method in both segments.

Also safety limits like 5cm for tibias are plain bs. Almost any healthy LLer can reach 6cm very safe with a good doctor so 6cm are very safe, at least not less safe than 8cm on femurs.
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Re: Limb lengthening suggestion
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2024, 07:01:22 AM »

In Vietnam, you only need about 23k USD to extend and recover quickly in 3 months. Doctor Doan's patients can do this
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2024, 07:49:29 PM »

Because it is riskier as you will have something inside your bone, moreover together with external nails.which make the risk of infection way bigger and also you will need a big surgery after about 2 years to remove the nail.
Externals only are still fully weightbearing, you will need only 1 major surgery (still not as major as putting an internal nail too), they are more painless and cheaper. If.you are ok to have some big frames for about 8 months then there is no drawback compared to any other method in both segments.

Also safety limits like 5cm for tibias are plain bs. Almost any healthy LLer can reach 6cm very safe with a good doctor so 6cm are very safe, at least not less safe than 8cm on femurs.

Osteomyelitis is extremely rare, infections with LoN and externals only are common and easily treated when caught early.
Your risk to reward ratio evaluation is pretty skewed imo.
8 months is no joke, LoN allows you to fully weight bear and recover function pretty quick.
The removal surgery is not a "major" surgery, lol.
Sorry but you're pretty clueless.
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Re: Limb lengthening suggestion
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2024, 09:34:36 PM »

Osteomyelitis is extremely rare, infections with LoN and externals only are common and easily treated when caught early.
Your risk to reward ratio evaluation is pretty skewed imo.
8 months is no joke, LoN allows you to fully weight bear and recover function pretty quick.
The removal surgery is not a "major" surgery, lol.
Sorry but you're pretty clueless.
Osteomyelitis is rare but can lead to amputation.
Second, deep vein thrombosis, which is the major reason of death in LL, happens ONLY with internals or combined methods like LON.
Finally, the removal.surgery of an internal nail is a way bigger and risky surgery than removing some rods from externals which can be done even without anesthesia.

So I am not clueless, after all I am maybe the oldest (in terms of years from LL surgery till now) veteran here, you are just completely irrelevant.
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Re: Limb lengthening suggestion
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2024, 10:53:20 PM »

Osteomyelitis is rare but can lead to amputation.
Second, deep vein thrombosis, which is the major reason of death in LL, happens ONLY with internals or combined methods like LON.
Finally, the removal.surgery of an internal nail is a way bigger and risky surgery than removing some rods from externals which can be done even without anesthesia.

So I am not clueless, after all I am maybe the oldest (in terms of years from LL surgery till now) veteran here, you are just completely irrelevant.
Yes you are clueless.
Implying that age = knowledge.
DVT happens due to being sedentary, it can happen in any setting that requires hospital stay lmao, easily solved by some basic mobility.
You are also implying that increased risk = definitinitily gonna happen.
You are completely looking away from the lack of activity that wearing externals for 8 months will have lol.
Yeah, you're completely clueless.
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Re: Limb lengthening suggestion
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2024, 04:11:51 AM »

Yes you are clueless.
Implying that age = knowledge.
DVT happens due to being sedentary, it can happen in any setting that requires hospital stay lmao, easily solved by some basic mobility.
You are also implying that increased risk = definitinitily gonna happen.
You are completely looking away from the lack of activity that wearing externals for 8 months will have lol.
Yeah, you're completely clueless.
All you wrote are bs.
I wrote that lon is riskier than external only and the only difference are about 4 months without fixators. Nothing that significant to talk about lack of activity and all these nonsense.
After all ilizarovs are fully weight bearing so you will be much more mobile compared to any other method or at least the same in comparison with fully weight bearing nails like albizzia.

After all, someone who did LL in femurs with lon (like your nickname implies) is the last one that can give advice about LL because, contrary with your case, no sane doctor and LLer does anything else except from internals only in femurs.
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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2024, 12:00:42 PM »

All you wrote are bs.

You already exposed your lack of knowledge by claiming that DVT *only* have a chance to happen with LON or internals.
Spoiler alert, I'm a physiotherapist.
I'll leave it at that.
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Re: Limb lengthening suggestion
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2024, 04:07:25 PM »

Deep Vein Thrombosis (DVT) and Fat Embolism are complications that are often misunderstood.
While DVT can occur in any limb lengthening surgery, Fat Embolism is more likely to occur in procedures involving medullary reaming, such as LON or intramedullary nail surgery.

However, death due to fat embolism in limb lengthening surgery is extremely rare.
If patients are worried about it, it would be advisable to have the surgery at a general hospital equipped with ICU.
If death occurs despite these measures, it may simply be unfortunate luck.
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Re: Limb lengthening suggestion
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2024, 06:10:03 PM »

Deep Vein Thrombosis (DVT) and Fat Embolism are complications that are often misunderstood.
While DVT can occur in any limb lengthening surgery, Fat Embolism is more likely to occur in procedures involving medullary reaming, such as LON or intramedullary nail surgery.

However, death due to fat embolism in limb lengthening surgery is extremely rare.
If patients are worried about it, it would be advisable to have the surgery at a general hospital equipped with ICU.
If death occurs despite these measures, it may simply be unfortunate luck.
Ok, I talked about embolism which is the most dangerous LL risk and it happens almost exclusively with internal or mixed LL methods.
That, together with havimg another big surgery to remove the nail are the main reasons that lon is the ideal method for LL as it has both the drawbacks of internals or externals only and almost none of their benefits.
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Re: Limb lengthening suggestion
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2024, 07:08:02 PM »

Did you do Lon? Your opinion on this is an extreme outlier.
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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2024, 10:15:41 AM »

@sxxa are you referring to Dr Quynh in HCMC? or dr. Doan in Hanoi?
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