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[WannaBe190CM]

As I've scoured this forum I've heard people promoting Dr. Giotikas as his price to safety ratio seems pretty decent and he also has a lot of diaries with good experiences.
But I've also seen a fair share of people bashing on him from a death??(Apparently not his fault, was due to fat embolism) and misalignment cases.

So my question is, is Dr Giotikas safe to go for precise femur surgery? Especially for recent patients(2022, 2023), how were your experiences pre/post lengthening? Did you experience any issues with your surgery/legs after lengthening?

[tallmen]

As I've scoured this forum I've heard people promoting Dr. Giotikas as his price to safety ratio seems pretty decent and he also has a lot of diaries with good experiences.
But I've also seen a fair share of people bashing on him from a death??(Apparently not his fault, was due to fat embolism) and misalignment cases.

So my question is, is Dr Giotikas safe to go for precise femur surgery? Especially for recent patients(2022, 2023), how were your experiences pre/post lengthening? Did you experience any issues with your surgery/legs after lengthening?

The death was because of blood clot and fat embolism. He didn't prescribe blood thinner for the whole length of lengthening period but he do that for precice. I think for precice you should be good with him also there's always risk for fat embolisn and blood clot no matter where you go. It's a risky surgery.

[LG1816]

Blood clot and fat embolism? What?

[tallmen]

Blood clot and fat embolism? What?

Sorry, I meant blood clot, not fat embolism. Fat embolism happens 2 to 72 hours after the surgery whereas blood clot can happen any time during the lengthening period.

[WannaBe190CM]

Ah okay, I was originally going to go with betz but when I calculated the entire cost, it was literally 10k usd off from paley LMAO. I might as well just go with paley if that's the case.

My options rn are to either go with giotikas in 4 months or save up for another maybe 1 or 2 years to go with paley for precise 2, 8cm on my femurs. Giotikas seems to be the most debated doctor here apparently. Some promote him hard and others hate him a lot. I'm kinda sussed out but reading Dr. G's diaries gave me confidence ig. But then some people are saying that the diaries are fake as well so i'm genuinely hella confused 

[Sigma]

Dr Giotikas bad doctor. Stay away. Read my previous post.

[tallmen]

Ah okay, I was originally going to go with betz but when I calculated the entire cost, it was literally 10k usd off from paley LMAO. I might as well just go with paley if that's the case.

My options rn are to either go with giotikas in 4 months or save up for another maybe 1 or 2 years to go with paley for precise 2, 8cm on my femurs. Giotikas seems to be the most debated doctor here apparently. Some promote him hard and others hate him a lot. I'm kinda sussed out but reading Dr. G's diaries gave me confidence ig. But then some people are saying that the diaries are fake as well so i'm genuinely hella confused 

I don't think he's a bad doctor tbh. IMO, he's a good doc in your budget. Also, precice 2 is very safe anyways compared to those mechanical nails and LON so better to go ahead and do it now instead of waiting one more year. If you have enough money to do it in the US then consider Dr. Assayag as well.

[NailedLegs]

In my own personal opinion, I believe Dr. Giotikas is a good and reputable Doctor. I think you will be fine and safe going with him. But it depends on what your goals are. If you are just doing a single segment, I personally would go with Dr. Birkholtz. His packaged deal is a better deal than any other Doctor, while being very reputable and experienced. The only reason I wouldn't go with Dr. Birkholtz is due to his refusal to do simultaneous quadrilateral LL, which is reasonable as I understand he wants to be as safe as possible, but I plan on getting QLL. Dr. Dong Hoon Lee offers a great deal too, and is very reputable and experienced, but his prices as of late have been going up quite a bit and apparently there is a long waiting list as he prioritizes domestic patients first.

If all you plan on doing is PRECICE femurs, research Dr. Birkholtz.

I still have about a year left before I plan on doing the surgery, so I have time to continue my research until I make my final decision.

[leonazul99]

I vouch for Giotikas and his therapy team.

[WannaBe190CM]

Which nail did you choose?

[Sigma]

I vouch for Giotikas and his therapy team.

Ah... How many betz and giotikas employees are in this forum... -.- Dogs like @kanyewestern have left this place.
@WannaBe190CM Research your doctor yourself, you have a brain and use it. Even people who haven't had surgery post fake diaries pretending to have had surgery lol. Diaries with only x-ray pictures shared here receive many comments. They all belong to companies. But unfortunately, idiots like you always become customers of them... If you really want to have surgery, stay away from betz and giotikas.

[WannaBe190CM]

could u pm me telegram link?

[Titan_24]

I went with him. I'd say hes a good doctor based on what Iv'e experienced.

[Rockstarz5]

 
  Blood clot and fat embolism is a risk in all doctors, paley even have one case but he could save the person.. all the people who bash a doctor I have seen have 3 things in comon 1) theydont know the doctor (skip the one whos really have bad experienced and can prove it) , 2) can’t prove it is a bad doctor and 3) have never done the operation in his life. Just haters that moves his own fear of something goes wrong.

You can talk directly with him with 15 minutes and askhim everything

Personally I have research a lot and the things I want is ful Weight and everything included..

Keep in mind, is not a conventional surgery paley is the best because he have failed so much also, he plays safe (6cm max) so there is a line between being as tall as posible and safe. Have money and be only 6 cm play safe
I have seen a diary of max going to betz intitute with a new guy being bashed for being new in the field and that guy just walk right after 3 days and recovers well doing 3 inches in tibia, from a perspective of a scared guy that bash all doctors thats crazy….

I don’t think giotikas is bad, to be honest not even paley will guarante nice, pain free, complications free surgery..

[CLLvet]

I lengthened with Dr. Giotikas 2 times (2019 femurs and 2023 tibias). Had a positive experience both times. The other patients in Athens with me also seemed to have an overall positive experience, based on my conversations with them.

For what it's worth, I feel it makes a big difference to speak with patients who actually went through the lengthening process and can speak firsthand regarding the doctor. Reading diaries and forum posts is helpful! I did a lot of that before my first procedure.  But at times, the forum became overwhelming and confusing. There is conflicting information. Sometimes people even post critical comments regarding a surgeon without really providing any specific details or evidence to substantiate their claims. I am not discrediting their viewpoint. I just am simply someone who is very detail-oriented and wants fact-based evidence/ analysis to guide my decisions. Even though this forum is a terrific resource and I am very happy that it exists, that kind of analysis is not easy to find here. You would need to spend hours and days just wading through content.     

I began to get much more clarity and had an easier time making decisions once I spoke to former/ current patients of the surgeons I was considering. And then, of course, speaking to the doctors themselves via consultation once I began seriously considering them. That process helped me ultimately make my decision and decide on Giotikas. Things were not perfect and there is room for improvement in Athens, but I am very satisfied with the outcome I received and my health condition/ stature today, particularly for the cost.

Feel free to post here on this thread and/or send me a PM if you have any additional questions. Best of luck to everybody on this journey.

[Rockstarz5]

  You had experienced with giotikas and betz..  tell un your experienced with giotikas and how good is he, you had a nice jorney with he I guess