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[Flyhigh23]

I’m 175cm and wanna get to 185-186cm so I’m planning to do 6cm femur which will take me to 181cm, I then will wait for a year and get 5cm on my tibia. My dream is to become a heavyweight boxer so I can’t afford to lose my athleticism, I’ve read that as long as you don’t go above 6cm for the femur and above 5cm for the tibia you can gain almost all your athletic ability back, how true is this? I could do two separate surgeries or I could do the quadrilateral surgery. I did think about doing just 8cm in the femur and calling to a day but then read about how people who did that could only achieve 60-70 percent of their athletic ability.

[slowed & reverb]

You will have a hard time if you wanna become a boxer, i reckon you dont need legs that much but you will be stiff as fu.. for a long time if you want to do quad buddy. Focus on your physio, pick a good doctor and count with not being to do anything top-level sport for 3 years, before you get rid of the rods in your bones and fully heal. If you would do both surgeries in 1 year, you might get the rods out earlier. I finally found a video of a guy who did 20cm squatting on yt i will be posting it now.

[TheDream]

You wont regain full athleticism. This is just a fact and anyone telling you otherwise, stear clear of them. You can regain enough for daily functioning which is enough for most people. Think of it as the more you lengthen the more daily function you risk losing.

You should not delude yourself to think you can become an athlete after LL. You can live a good normal life after LL if everything goes well but it takes years of recovery and retraining.

[Bob Vallens]

You wont regain full athleticism. This is just a fact and anyone telling you otherwise, stear clear of them. You can regain enough for daily functioning which is enough for most people. Think of it as the more you lengthen the more daily function you risk losing.

You should not delude yourself to think you can become an athlete after LL. You can live a good normal life after LL if everything goes well but it takes years of recovery and retraining.

@thedream How much of your athleticism do you think you lost after your procedure? How long has it been?  What did you have done and how hard do you train?

[sxxa]

Basically what "TheDream" user said. Don't fool yourself into believing you will be an elite athlete after LL. This surgery changes your bio mechanics, it takes a deep impact in your overall body and YOU WILL LOSE ATHLETICISM that's a fact. It can be 5%, it can be 10%, it can be 20% it's impossible to know. But what I know is you won't be the same ever. If you are considering a professional career on sports LL is not for you.

Remember what is this about: You are purposelly breaking your bones, drilling yor legs, and risking your health for height increase. It's a deal with a cost... and the cost is you won't be 100% again..

[Bob Vallens]

Basically what "TheDream" user said. Don't fool yourself into believing you will be an elite athlete after LL. This surgery changes your bio mechanics, it takes a deep impact in your overall body and YOU WILL LOSE ATHLETICISM that's a fact. It can be 5%, it can be 10%, it can be 20% it's impossible to know. But what I know is you won't be the same ever. If you are considering a professional career on sports LL is not for you.

Remember what is this about: You are purposelly breaking your bones, drilling yor legs, and risking your health for height increase. It's a deal with a cost... and the cost is you won't be 100% again..

 @sxxa  How much of your athleticism do you think you lost after your procedure? How long has it been?  What did you have done and how hard do you train?

[Bob Vallens]

Seems there are alot of opinions, on this topic but not actual experience.

Obviously if you are a competitive sprinter or looking to go pro in sport, this is a silly proposition.

If you just want to play 5 a side or tennis or recreational hoops, you will be fine, assuming you have no complications. 

From reading diaries and watching the testimonies on YT, it seems you will need to rehab hard and train hard, but in 18mos to 2 years from surgery (assuming you are <30), you should be completely recovered.

Running a marathon might take longer though.

Donghoon Lee has done a study on this and also has profile videos of well recovered athletic patients.

[sxxa]

@sxxa  How much of your athleticism do you think you lost after your procedure? How long has it been?  What did you have done and how hard do you train?

It depends on a lot of factors; your surgeon, the method used, the recovery phase, training, adaptation. But even though doing everything right, with a top surgeon and having an excellent recovery YOU WILL NOT BE AT 100% AGAIN. It may vary from person to person but overall the fact is you lose atlethicism. If you are an elite athlete you won't be able the compete at the same level ever again. If you are just a healthy person who do sports as a hobbie you will see decreased your atlethicism in general but you can recover up to 90% to 95%. 

[Bob Vallens]

You havent done the procedure, correct?

what you are saying is 100% false.

you should re word it: "you may only recover 95% based on my youtube watching"

Dr Lee:

[sxxa]

Seems there are alot of opinions, on this topic but not actual experience.

Obviously if you are a competitive sprinter or looking to go pro in sport, this is a silly proposition.

If you just want to play 5 a side or tennis or recreational hoops, you will be fine, assuming you have no complications. 

From reading diaries and watching the testimonies on YT, it seems you will need to rehab hard and train hard, but in 18mos to 2 years from surgery (assuming you are <30), you should be completely recovered.

Running a marathon might take longer though.

Donghoon Lee has done a study on this and also has profile videos of well recovered athletic patients.

The OP specifacilly stated he want to go fully pro after LL. In fact this is what this thread is about. We all can agree as I mentioned in my last reply, that yes, you can fully recover and do sports again, but profesionally? Never again.

[sxxa]

You havent done the procedure, correct?

what you are saying is 100% false.

you should re word it: "you may only recover 95% based on my youtube watching"

Dr Lee:

I have not, but what I did was LEARNING about it. And you are just proving my point. You can recover, you will able to do sports but you will not be a professional athlete.

[wantingtobetaller]

I think you gotta either give up your dream or give up the surgery.

[Bob Vallens]

1)ironically heavyweight boxers are often not the fittest guys (can be verified easily)
2)As  I said in my first post that no professional athlete would do this (its an absurd question) (Cyborg has also said as much)
3) Reality: most people who do this arent professional athletes in the first place (microscopic part of popualtion), but if you are a competitve club athlete, you will lose 1.5-2 years of your full training, so you are bound to be a worse athlete and by the time you fully recover, you are older, and therefore will be a worse athlete (simple biology)
4) BUT: If you train, you can come back as a club athlete, and return to being competitive at the older age group.  (see: Donghoo lee)

if you measure times in ms, then you likely will lose ms. if you are willing to give up ms, then you can still be an athlete (FYI: ms = milliseconds)

note to readers, trust the reputable doctors and people giving first hand experiences.  Not randos posting their opinions as fact.

[sxxa]

1)ironically heavyweight boxers are often not the fittest guys (can be verified easily)
2)As  I said in my first post that no professional athlete would do this (its an absurd question) (Cyborg has also said as much)
3) Reality: most people who do this arent professional athletes in the first place (microscopic part of popualtion), but if you are a competitve club athlete, you will lose 1.5-2 years of your full training, so you are bound to be a worse athlete and by the time you fully recover, you are older, and therefore will be a worse athlete (simple biology)
4) BUT: If you train, you can come back as a club athlete, and return to being competitive at the older age group.  (see: Donghoo lee)

if you measure times in ms, then you likely will lose ms. if you are willing to give up ms, then you can still be an athlete (FYI: ms = milliseconds)

note to readers, trust the reputable doctors and people giving first hand experiences.  Not randos posting their opinions as fact.

I wouldn't take you seriously neither, when you state such an ignorant statement 'heavy weight boxers are often not the fittest'. You clearly have never been in a professional sport. You don't understand this surgery and you basically are talking out of your a** because you watched two Dr. Lee's videos.

It's not 'simple biology', is a process where your whole body is impacted deeply. Muscles, bones, bio mechanics, nerves. You can delude yourself all you want but facts remain.

Note to readers: IF YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING ATHLETICISM DIG DEEPER, THIS SURGERY MAY NOT BE FOR YOU.

[AllinStryde]

If being an athlete is your "dream" or whatever...I wouldn't even do 1 of these procedures.  It doesn't help you in any capacity to have this done to become a "better" athlete.  You'll lose abilities if anything, and if you're extremely lucky, you may recover to your prior status, but don't count on it. 

[Bob Vallens]

Don’t listen to this troll.  Do your own research.

Speak to a reputable surgeon.

[Bob Vallens]

What was your recovery time like?  You feel a lot weaker since the procedure?

Seems like young  people who train hard bounce back.  Spoke to a early 20s guy who feels very good about it and doesnt feel he lost much if anything a 18mos later.

[TheDream]

3) Reality: most people who do this arent professional athletes in the first place (microscopic part of popualtion), but if you are a competitve club athlete, you will lose 1.5-2 years of your full training, so you are bound to be a worse athlete and by the time you fully recover, you are older, and therefore will be a worse athlete (simple biology)
4) BUT: If you train, you can come back as a club athlete, and return to being competitive at the older age group.  (see: Donghoo lee)

The flaw in your logic is that you assume the only cost is time, and that after 2 years you will be back at the same point as pre-surgery (i.e. 100% recovery), and just compete with people who are the same age as you which is impossible.

You are stretching muscle and nerve tissue very far, relatively speaking, along a single point (i.e. the tissue surrounding the distraction point). The muscle tissue loses strength as this occurs. Then you have the problem of bio-mechanics. The achilles tendon being stressed which is why people get ballerina when doing tibias. For femurs you get duck ass due to similar causes. Your ratios will be different. As an example a longer femur bone puts more pressure on the knee’s when squatting. Similar thing with the ankles with longer tibia bone. There will be many of these sort of effects on the body.

Therefore, it is physically impossible to regain anywhere close to 100% athletic ability. Can you recover enough to do physical activity with your friends and live a good life? Yes. But you will never be anywhere near your athletic potential pre-surgery or competitive at any level of similar age bracket assuming the others are decent.

[Bob Vallens]

"You are stretching muscle and nerve tissue very far, relatively speaking, along a single point (i.e. the tissue surrounding the distraction point). The muscle tissue loses strength as this occurs."  Muscle Tissue can be repaired and will grow quickly in a young person who is used to training; this I know first hand; over a year you can rebuild your strength ALOT.

"Then you have the problem of bio-mechanics. The achilles tendon being stressed which is why people get ballerina when doing tibias."  This is an issue for large lengthenings (beyond 5cm).  A good doctor will prevent this.

"For femurs you get duck ass due to similar causes."  (This requires stretching and goes away)

"Your ratios will be different. As an example a longer femur bone puts more pressure on the knee’s when squatting." (What do you think happens when people grow naturally??? 16-17yr olds have growth sppurts all the time; they learn to squat fine.  Differences in T:F ratios have little impact on most sports.)

"Similar thing with the ankles with longer tibia bone. There will be many of these sort of effects on the body." (You know people grow right? And they still play sports)

Anyone reading, speak to a doctor....

[sxxa]

Anyone reading, speak to a doctor....

Exactly. You clearly are not, and don't know a single thing. You are just spreading misinformation here.

[LLprime3]

If a person recovers after LL, then he is by definition back at 100%. Then he can also attain proficiency in sports through training like any other healthy person. And don't forget that that same person has longer legs than before. If anything, he can go back to over 100%.

All you who measure a specific level of athleticism have forgotten that this is a volatile physical condition that purely depends on whether you are doing actively sports right now or not.

I can consider athletic people who did not do LL still less athletic than me, if I do perform better than them in certain categories. This 100% value is such a vague number, and it can be shaped by the effort you put in.

The average person who can not even do 3 pull ups is more disabled than a person who finished LL but can do x times that number.

Let's say someone goes hard on leg exercises more than ever before after LL, he will perform better than before LL, just because he chose not to do leg exercises before LL, and after LL he did. It simply depends on how much you work out and how hard you go at it.

You can get back to 100% and even exceed that previous level, BUT you need to fully recover from the surgery and end up with a normal anatomy, that is not less restrictive than before. And that may just be the reason why some people won't get back to 100%. Just doing one segment can be more detrimental to your anatomy than doing two segments in terms of proportions.

People who do both legs moderately and had shorter legs relative to the size of their upper bodies are the best candidates imo. It's not a black and white answer, and depends on the effort after the surgery, definitely.

[oklama]

if your trying to go pro in sports then don't do LL. You can regain normal function but your potential will likely be significantly reduced. Your 175 so if I were you I'd forget about it and go try to be a boxer without it

[Bob Vallens]

Well said sir. 

Ignore the trolls and speak to a doctor.

If you are young, you can recover well.

One thing is true,  anyone saying something is absolutely certain is neither a doctor nor an athlete.  Just ignore the trolls.