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Omar

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Why you do limb lengthening?
« on: October 11, 2023, 06:18:38 PM »

This topic is important to me, and I'd like to share my thoughts on it while eagerly awaiting your feedback. The title is self-explanatory: "Why you do limb lengthening?" As for me, this is a personal desire, and I don't aim to please or impress others, particularly women. Some may argue that I'm already tall enough, but I'm undertaking this journey solely for myself. I believe that those who do it for external validation or to attract the opposite sex may never find satisfaction because the  desire is primarily for oneself. For instance, given my height, I could potentially gain an additional 8-9 centimeters, making me 190 cm tall. However, I'm being reasonable and aiming for a height between 6'1 and 6'2. I think that beyond a certain point, becoming too tall can diminish one's appeal. While this might come across as narcissistic, my primary motivation is to admire myself in the mirror after the procedure. Does this sound crazy to you?

Moreover, I find the concept of this operation to be quite remarkable. To grow, one must endure suffering, making it a complex and transformative journey. It's like a gift you give yourself after enduring hardships and completing this extraordinary undertaking.
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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2023, 06:41:13 PM »

No one risks their life and go through that much pain to impress others. We all are suffering from height neurosis and want to fix it.
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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2023, 08:16:52 AM »

Yeah I agree with overandover. I want to fix my height neurosis. Theray cannot work for me since I am a perfectionist and my height neurosis is very severe.
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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2023, 11:50:19 AM »

Yeah I agree with overandover. I want to fix my height neurosis. Theray cannot work for me since I am a perfectionist and my height neurosis is very severe.
I'm exactly like you.  I'm a perfectionist and a maniac and thinking that I should stay at a height that I don't like my whole life bothers me.
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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2023, 08:52:28 PM »

"I'm doing it for myself" is complete bull . Utter crap. That's the stuff you say to people in real life because you are trying to make what you did more palatable, since society will judge you for this procedure and cheating your genetics. There's no need to lie to us here.

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=84142.msg266077#msg266077

I wrote about it in the above thread, take a look.

This is absolutely true! At the end of the day this surgery is about outgrowing other people. So it's what is called a "zero-sum-game". You become happier after LL because you are taller than more people than before LL. That also elevates your position in society and puts you at a more respectable position. This surgery is a success only if other shorter people don't get to do it and remain short.

That's why I almost barf at the idea of someone floating the concept of doing LL to for themselves and to feel one with their body. That is just plain euphemism for "I want to outgrow a bunch of people".

This is a wonderful time to be an LL surgeon or medical device company. Market this procedure like crazy using euphemisms like "self fulfilment". Make it go mainstream. Have patients lining up due to FOMO. Make $$$$$.

This is true. Height is relative. If everyone was 6'0", then being 6'0" wouldn't be considered tall, and the magical number would go up. A 5'8" guy in the Philippines might be considered tall, but as soon as he goes to the west he's short. Or a 5'10" guy might be considered average in the USA, but in Cambodia he's tall.

You brought up a great point that hit the nail in the head. Other people need to be short in order for LL to work. Somebody has to get the short end of the stick(lol). There has to be some people essentially sacrificing themselves so that others may excel. It's like a game of hot potato. Somebody has to hold it in the end!

It's terrible, it's unfair, and it's not right. But it's the truth. We can all sit here and lie to ourselves and others, or we can be honest about it. It's essentially an arms race of height. A never ending fight and one-up'ing others.

Knowledge of LL may increase, but the ability of people able to get it will not. I mentioned why in another thread -> http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=84070.msg265759#msg265759 So I wouldn't worry too much. Maybe in 50 years when you can just take a pill once a day and you'll grow we'll have to worry.
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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2023, 09:03:09 PM »

If EVERYONE had a disgusting, big, bulbous, hooked nose, would you get a rhinoplasty for your slight dorsal hump? NO.

The reason this surgery attracts predominantly short people is because it's short people that are most effected. Some average or even tall (already 6'0"+) get it, but they are very few compared to short people! And even they admit to feeling different around people that are taller than them AKA inducing height dysphoria.

Are you lying to us, or are you lying to yourself? Are you saying this stuff outloud because deep down you know why you're getting it, but you don't want to admit that you really just have height neurosis? Or that you want to experience the benefits that tall people get in society, and you don't want to be left out? Do you hope that if you tell yourself that over and over, "I'm doing it for myself! I'm doing it for myself!", that you can suppress your true feelings and thoughts?

Lie to yourself all you want. We aren't falling for it.
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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2023, 09:10:34 PM »

MAJOR Key from Truthdial:

"This surgery is a success only if other shorter people don't get to do it and remain short."

If you got limb lengthening, gained two inches...but so did EVERYONE else in the world, would you feel any different or would society treat you any different?

NO
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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2023, 09:27:41 PM »

MAJOR Key from Truthdial:

"This surgery is a success only if other shorter people don't get to do it and remain short."

If you got limb lengthening, gained two inches...but so did EVERYONE else in the world, would you feel any different or would society treat you any different?

NO
You're right on some points . In reality, I'm over 5'11", so I'm considered to be among the taller guys in this forum. Certainly, and you're absolutely right, if everyone added 2 inches, I'd like to continue being taller. But I have the choice to gain or not gain a certain number of centimeters. Beyond 7 cm, I wouldn't add a millimeter because I would have surpassed my personal ideal, even though I wouldn't be the tallest person in the room. After all, there will always be someone taller than you, and I've grown accustomed to that. Furthermore, it's better to be among the taller individuals than the shorter ones. Also, I must admit that I measure my height four times a day, which could be seen as obsessive-compulsive behavior, so the statement you make isn't 100% accurate. For instance, I don't do it to please a woman, as my current height is sufficient and not a concern. However, beyond that, you might be surprised to learn that my primary goal is to stand in front of a stadiometer and read 6'2" or 6'1", as my ideal falls somewhere in that range. Sorry for m'y english 8)
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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2023, 11:05:27 PM »

"I'm doing it for myself" is complete bull . Utter crap. That's the stuff you say to people in real life because you are trying to make what you did more palatable, since society will judge you for this procedure and cheating your genetics. There's no need to lie to us here.

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=84142.msg266077#msg266077

I wrote about it in the above thread, take a look.

Yep. Humans are social creatures. No one is an island. The idea that we do anything purely for ourselves is naive, more times than not.
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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2023, 06:59:02 AM »

Let's just disregard the women / dating aspects to wanting to get LL done as a short man in a society that makes it extremely challenging for short men to try and succeed in. Many average height and tall dudes love to larp that "its all about confidence", and "As a 6'1 guy I can tell you that being tall isn't all that..."

Look at this random scientific study, its quite brutal.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1570677X11001523

Using an Italian survey, we investigate the effect of height on individual happiness. We find that a large part of the effect of height on well-being is driven by a positive correlation between height and economic and health conditions. However, for young men the effect of height on happiness persists even after controlling for these variables, implying that height is associated with some psycho-social direct effects on well-being. Consistent with this hypothesis, we find that men care not only about their own height but also about the height of others in their reference group. Well-being is greater for individuals who are taller than other men in their reference group. Results are robust to different definitions of reference group and controlling for a number of other reference group characteristics.

Highlights

>We investigate the association between height and individual subjective well-being in Italy.

>We find that height is positively associated with the well-being of 18-42 years old males.

>We find a relative height effect for young males.

>These results possibly suggest a self-esteem or social dominance effect of height on well-being.

Once you start reading beyond the abstract it gets so much worse:

>Being tall is associated with a number of advantages. Tall people (excluding the extremely tall) are more likely to have a long term partner and to have children (Nettle, 2002a, Nettle, 2002b); they attain higher levels of education (Magnusson et al., 2006) and receive higher wages than shorter people, even after controlling for the level of education acquired, the type of job performed (Persico et al., 2004, Herpin, 2005, Heineck, 2006, Case and Paxson, 2008, Hubler, 2009, Cinnirella et al., 2011) and irrespective of the physical strenuousness of the job (Bockerman et al., 2010). In addition, they have more chance of playing sports at a professional level or becoming supermodels (Saint Onge et al., 2008).1 Height seems to have a strong inverse association with suicide risk (Magnusson et al., 2005) and it is also positively associated with life expectancy (Koch, 2011). All these findings together seem to indicate that there is more chance of tall people enjoying a better life. This is confirmed by some empirical papers that find a positive correlation between height and subjective well-being (Keyes, 1980, Cohen, 2009, Rees et al., 2009, Deaton and Arora, 2009, Denny, 2010). As height is also associated with some costs, for example expenses for special clothes, high ceiling homes, the relationship between height and well-being is probably an inverse U.

Many larps online say you don't need LL as a short man, and to "just be confident bro", as if heightism was only relevant in the world of dating. The unfortunate truth is being a very short man is playing life on ultra hard mode, everything you do, everything you want in life, your height overshadows you and permeates it all. Many will say we are simply insecure for wanting this surgery and to just compensate on other aspects to get more women. The honest truth is heightism goes far beyond that, as I'm sure many of us can attest to. In my opinion, this is potentially the truly life changing, game changing, transformation that can benefit in every aspect of life especially if they are in the very short 5'4 - 5'6 category.
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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2023, 04:27:11 PM »

You're right on some points . In reality, I'm over 5'11", so I'm considered to be among the taller guys in this forum. Certainly, and you're absolutely right, if everyone added 2 inches, I'd like to continue being taller. But I have the choice to gain or not gain a certain number of centimeters. Beyond 7 cm, I wouldn't add a millimeter because I would have surpassed my personal ideal, even though I wouldn't be the tallest person in the room. After all, there will always be someone taller than you, and I've grown accustomed to that. Furthermore, it's better to be among the taller individuals than the shorter ones. Also, I must admit that I measure my height four times a day, which could be seen as obsessive-compulsive behavior, so the statement you make isn't 100% accurate. For instance, I don't do it to please a woman, as my current height is sufficient and not a concern. However, beyond that, you might be surprised to learn that my primary goal is to stand in front of a stadiometer and read 6'2" or 6'1", as my ideal falls somewhere in that range. Sorry for m'y english 8)
I am compleyely sure that you'll never do LL. As most of the taller than average guys that wrote here, especially the ones who had so stupid "reasons" to do it, as the one you mentioned about the stadiometer.
So nothing really to talk about.
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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2023, 05:25:57 PM »

I am compleyely sure that you'll never do LL. As most of the taller than average guys that wrote here, especially the ones who had so stupid "reasons" to do it, as the one you mentioned about the stadiometer.
So nothing really to talk about.
I hope you are correct; nonetheless, as of now, it's not feasible. I lack the financial resources and the time. However, if I have both in the future, we can undertake it together if you are willing.
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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2023, 06:35:41 PM »

Maybe I’m crazy but the idea of being able to go to the pool, to go to someones house / apartment and take off your shoes without worrying about it just being yourself completely average normal height sounds like such a dream.

I remember the times where I used to go to these things and be 4-6 inches shorter than the other guys there and same height maybe even an inch below the females. The lack of height just automatically puts you in this bad spot where if you do nothing and just be laid back you’ll automatically be sorted at the bottom of the unspoken hierarchy of female attraction and male physical threat which at the end of day are the most fundamental evolutionary social parameters.

I think we all remember hanging out with our friends that were taller than us as teenagers, meet a group of girls and you’re invisible and automatically filtered from the beginning.

I guess what I’m trying to express is that I feel like being short is like trying to play a video game with a broken controller than makes it impossible for you to play properly like the others. And getting LL is like fixing your controller so you can finally play the game on an equal level the way it was meant to be played with the others.

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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2023, 09:49:42 PM »

 
 It makes you life better.. you can run a marathon  without shoes, but having those is a night and day change.  Because thas life you whant a better car, better house, better income, better partner, and high has a correlation in male life, sorry reality hurts, and also probably 98% of the forum have height disphorya
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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2023, 02:36:44 AM »

I have a short tibia and a big head. I figure that I could have a better body proportion if I proceed with the surgery, which is why I am doing it.
To be fair, I would have lived with my condition if the surgery didn't exist but it exists, so why not lol
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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2023, 09:37:37 PM »

Maybe I’m crazy but the idea of being able to go to the pool, to go to someones house / apartment and take off your shoes without worrying about it just being yourself completely average normal height sounds like such a dream.

I remember the times where I used to go to these things and be 4-6 inches shorter than the other guys there and same height maybe even an inch below the females. The lack of height just automatically puts you in this bad spot where if you do nothing and just be laid back you’ll automatically be sorted at the bottom of the unspoken hierarchy of female attraction and male physical threat which at the end of day are the most fundamental evolutionary social parameters.

I think we all remember hanging out with our friends that were taller than us as teenagers, meet a group of girls and you’re invisible and automatically filtered from the beginning.

I guess what I’m trying to express is that I feel like being short is like trying to play a video game with a broken controller than makes it impossible for you to play properly like the others. And getting LL is like fixing your controller so you can finally play the game on an equal level the way it was meant to be played with the others.

Excellent metaphor.  And totally true.  When you're below average, you have to try ten times harder for one tenth of the results. 
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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2023, 10:08:39 PM »

 
 It makes you life better.. you can run a marathon  without shoes, but having those is a night and day change.  Because thas life you whant a better car, better house, better income, better partner, and high has a correlation in male life, sorry reality hurts, and also probably 98% of the forum have height disphorya
Can't agree more. I think rather than dating pool height tremendously influences on ur mental health and this is the biggest influence of it. I don't want to look pessimistic but genes can really 'shape' ur life, not just influence.
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Re: Why you do limb lengthening?
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2023, 09:44:14 AM »

Maybe I’m crazy but the idea of being able to go to the pool, to go to someones house / apartment and take off your shoes without worrying about it just being yourself completely average normal height sounds like such a dream.

I remember the times where I used to go to these things and be 4-6 inches shorter than the other guys there and same height maybe even an inch below the females. The lack of height just automatically puts you in this bad spot where if you do nothing and just be laid back you’ll automatically be sorted at the bottom of the unspoken hierarchy of female attraction and male physical threat which at the end of day are the most fundamental evolutionary social parameters.

I think we all remember hanging out with our friends that were taller than us as teenagers, meet a group of girls and you’re invisible and automatically filtered from the beginning.

I guess what I’m trying to express is that I feel like being short is like trying to play a video game with a broken controller than makes it impossible for you to play properly like the others. And getting LL is like fixing your controller so you can finally play the game on an equal level the way it was meant to be played with the others.

Agreed 100%. It is only a small minority of people who can look past superficial traits like height and beauty and see what really matters for long term relationships, like personality, communication skills, and financial stability.
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