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[Rockstarz5]

  Well his succesor.. there is a diary on instagram where the dude did tibia of 3 inches and doing fine, and also a german celebrity and all good qith her, but all its seems in this forum is wrong.. my point is that there is no any good doctors, period

[GrowGrow123]

  Well his succesor.. there is a diary on instagram where the dude did tibia of 3 inches and doing fine, and also a german celebrity and all good qith her, but all its seems in this forum is wrong.. my point is that there is no any good doctors, period

What are you talking about? At bare minimum, everyone on the forum agrees that Rozbruch, Paley, Birkholtz, Lee, and Assayag are good. Because they are.

There are other good surgeons as well, but those are probably the ones who have the most consensus.

[Rockstarz5]

   Paley is the best not doub about ir. Bur the price is just .. not. Also in some interviews he said that is about experience because he also lade mistakes and did do good job is some cases. Remember that USA is the country of sues. So yes need to be carefull.

[GrowGrow123]

   Paley is the best not doub about ir. Bur the price is just .. not. Also in some interviews he said that is about experience because he also lade mistakes and did do good job is some cases. Remember that USA is the country of sues. So yes need to be carefull.

So I think what you are really saying is: “Why does everyone have something bad to say about the doctors that aren’t expensive?”

Birkholtz is only $60K btw.

[DanishViking]

At 15:50 Cyborg4life starts talking about a patient who got a non union by Dr Giotikas. You can see it in the comments by the patient comment / profile picture. So sure I wants thought that he was the best surgeon on the surface, but once I duck deeper I releasized that in my opinion and for my needs Afa is better.

[EndGame]

I mentioned this earlier already. Paley is not an objective source here. It’s completely unprofessional of him to make comments like that. His problem with Debiparshad stems from the fact that Dr. D left his institute and published a paper with Paley’s name under his name (which Paley took as an insult since he wanted his name above Dr. D’s).

We don’t know how that patient ended up so you can’t say he was botched. People were saying the same thing about Hulk from LLT. He had what appeared to be knock knees on his last x-rays, but it went away on its own (but not the ballerina feet).

As to why he chose that particular photo? Who knows. Maybe it was the only quadrilateral patient he had at the time willing to let him use the photo.

I’m not arguing Dr. D is as good as Paley. He’s not. But he’s definitely nowhere near as bad as the butchers in Turkey.

You feel saying "botched" is unfair then we can say far from ideal alignment. However, saying we should ignore the x-rays which showed misalignment is a stretch. Again, I'm not saying Dr. D is bad, but if one is being honest using that x-ray doesn't look good on him... Obviously it's unfair to compare Dr. D to Turkish butchers. I never made such a comparison.

[DanishViking]

Like I have stated earlier I even agree with you GrowGrow123, I don't bias towards any surgeon. Birkholtz is probably the best option for the money. However in my opinion it's still a big drawback that the surgery is so far away from the western world (south Africa), because then your're forced to sit in multiple connecting flights not being able to go the toilet for many hours and a increased chance of breaking the nail + fat embolism. Personally this is something I can't live with, but that probably just me.

[Rockstarz5]

  Cmon dude, everybody has their things, even paley. Search some legal info, but still is the best surgeron yes. My point is that you can only talk about the doctor you have proved something. Because at the end of the day this forum is about inform people and not bashing everything.

[bruhh]

It is pretty funny how from praising giotikas so much you turned 180 degrees. Now you praise AFA the same way... You should stop being so invested in your potential choices just because you want to convince yourself you are making the right decision.. But more importantly, stop recommending surgeons to other users based on nothing more to your guy's feeling

It's quite funny how opinionated he is despite never having got the surgery or met any of these doctors to ascertain the real information. 

[Acemace86]

Why is everything trashing DanishViking?

[Rockstarz5]

 
 What are you talking about, he doesnt mention him at all, a non union is not doctor fault but thw body of the patient.. stop bashing everything and be in alert mode. Just inform the real stuff that why this forum is being like trolls page now

[EndGame]

 
 What are you talking about, he doesnt mention him at all, a non union is not doctor fault but thw body of the patient.. stop bashing everything and be in alert mode. Just inform the real stuff that why this forum is being like trolls page now

You are mistaken. A good doctor monitors bone regenerate and will slow or even stop the lengthening as necessary to prevent non union. It's a mistake more forgivable with Precise nail since it can go in reverse and address non union often without a bone graft. With other nails that mistake by the doctor is more serious. You are completely wrong to give bad doctors a pass on a non union.

[Rockstarz5]

 
 Still they dont mention Dr giotikas, a lot of internal are in the world

[NailedLegs]

Dr. D has given multiple patients knock knees, it wasn't just a one off thing.

I would not recommend Dr. D for that reason. How does a USA trained Doctor make such an easily avoidable mistake?

I was unaware of the animosity between Dr. D and Dr. Paley, or their history, but perhaps he should've stayed under Dr. Paley for awhile longer so that he could train more.

It's absolutely ridiculous to give your patient knock knees and inexcusable.

[DanishViking]

Hi bruhh. Please don't say anything when you only posted 9 posts in total. I have been on this forum longer than you found out what LL was most likely. I'm going to have the surgery this month or start november, and has spoken to the surgeon. I have done more than hundreds of hours of research so I don't need your nooby comments bashing me for no reason out of nowhere. Watching more than 50 different interviews / live videoes from the most experienced surgeons in the world gives you enough information. It's not a joke that I have made more than 30 times the post you have made. My login time on this forum is almost 100 hours itself...

I agree with NailedLegs and this just proves that you shouldn't bash a country cause you can always find good surgeons and bad ones in any given country. Of course they're many worse surgeons in Turkey however not all of them are terrible...

Rockstar 25 - you are wrong and don't listen to what I'm writing. Look in the comments of that video and the guy who says its him with the non union. Go onto his profile and look at his profile picture. It clearly says: "non union by dr giotikas. They is a reason that cyborg4life hidden his interview videos with that surgeon I guess..

[GrowGrow123]

Like I have stated earlier I even agree with you GrowGrow123, I don't bias towards any surgeon. Birkholtz is probably the best option for the money. However in my opinion it's still a big drawback that the surgery is so far away from the western world (south Africa), because then your're forced to sit in multiple connecting flights not being able to go the toilet for many hours and a increased chance of breaking the nail + fat embolism. Personally this is something I can't live with, but that probably just me.

You're not planning on staying there? The Birkholtz package would provide accomadation for 3-6 months. You'd only be leaving when all the things you mention are no longer an issue.

[GrowGrow123]

Dr. D has given multiple patients knock knees, it wasn't just a one off thing.

I would not recommend Dr. D for that reason. How does a USA trained Doctor make such an easily avoidable mistake?

I was unaware of the animosity between Dr. D and Dr. Paley, or their history, but perhaps he should've stayed under Dr. Paley for awhile longer so that he could train more.

It's absolutely ridiculous to give your patient knock knees and inexcusable.

Not saying I don't believe you, but do you have links to patient experiences with knock knees from Dr. D? Would like to see them if they exist.

[GrowGrow123]

  Cmon dude, everybody has their things, even paley. Search some legal info, but still is the best surgeron yes. My point is that you can only talk about the doctor you have proved something. Because at the end of the day this forum is about inform people and not bashing everything.

Enlighten us. What are the issues with Paley lol?

[NailedLegs]

Not saying I don't believe you, but do you have links to patient experiences with knock knees from Dr. D? Would like to see them if they exist.

I have been PM'd in reference to Dr. D giving patients knock knees. Because I will respect their privacy, I won't reveal them or anything like that. I know it's not a satisfying answer, and because I can't show you proof it's easily dismissed, but I really have no reason to lie. If you ever book a consultation with Victor, I suggest you ask him about it.

The GQ article itself shows ones of Dr. D's patients and their knock knees that he gave them. If that was the best x-ray he could provide...it makes you wonder what his average or worst results look like.

[NailedLegs]

You're not planning on staying there? The Birkholtz package would provide accomadation for 3-6 months. You'd only be leaving when all the things you mention are no longer an issue.

The $60k package includes a three-month stay, which would encompass the lengthening phase. I'm going to guess that you could work it out with Dr. Birkholtz to stay longer, such as during consolidation, before going home but that'll likely cost you.

Theoretically you could bend the nail if you are walking unassisted in early consolidation...but that's true for any Doctor. If you're going to Turkey, you will have to fly anyways. Unless you are from Turkey. Or I suppose you could take the scenic route and drive through Syria haha.

If you are going to Turkey, why not consider Dr. Metin Kucukkaya ? I would trust him over any other Turkish surgeon because Victor trusts him. He's the only Turkish surgeon that Victor trusts. Maybe that is foolish of me, but I don't see any reason to the contrary.

[LG1816]

I have to say this thing about the patient with a non-union with Dr. Giotikas is worrying...

The person said they still have a non-union to this day, indicating that they are now permanently crippled to as least some degree, and they also mentioned another patient this has happened to.

Someone in the comments has indeed stated that they are this person, and their channel seems to have been created for the sole reason of exposing Giotikas (though they haven't posted anything else).

[LG1816]

You are mistaken. A good doctor monitors bone regenerate and will slow or even stop the lengthening as necessary to prevent non union. It's a mistake more forgivable with Precise nail since it can go in reverse and address non union often without a bone graft. With other nails that mistake by the doctor is more serious. You are completely wrong to give bad doctors a pass on a non union.

Are non-unions not much of a big deal with Precise, then? Like can they always just be reversed and fixed?

This is something I've always been confused about; how do people get crippled with a non-union in the first place? Surely the doctor should notice this occurring within weeks of the surgery when they aren't making any regenerate.

[GrowGrow123]

Are non-unions not much of a big deal with Precise, then? Like can they always just be reversed and fixed?

This is something I've always been confused about; how do people get crippled with a non-union in the first place? Surely the doctor should notice this occurring within weeks of the surgery when they aren't making any regenerate.

To an extent, yes. Precice nails can go backwards if the bone isn’t healing well enough and that usually fixes the issue.

Clicking nails like Betzbone and G-Nail cannot so they have to be extra careful when lengthening and go at a slower pace usually. It’s also possible to “accidentally” click with these nails.

Your surgeon should catch the issue early, but the issue is that some surgeons are either incompetent or they don’t do x-rays frequently enough to catch it early enough. However, sometimes   just happens. Everybody’s body is different and some people are just unlucky with their bone regenerate, but this is very rare.

[Rockstarz5]

 
   Are any statitics in general about % of non union or any complications?.. you said is rare non union and kind of worry because I eant to go with giotikas

[GrowGrow123]

 
   Are any statitics in general about % of non union or any complications?.. you said is rare non union and kind of worry because I eant to go with giotikas

I wouldn't worry about non-union. I don't have exact numbers, but its rare and it's obvious from X-Rays. Giotikias will definitely be able to see it.

[Ted68]

GrowGrow123 First of all doing LL at your height at above 176 cm is not going to give you any real benefits. How it is even possible to have height dysphoria at that height baffles me. Because your're the same height as most other men and taller than all women so why feel bad about your height and the need to improve it?? This is at least my opinion from a logical based standpoint but hey at the end of the day it's your choice.

Right !!
At this height he is ok everywhere, unless he lives in Holland or Denmark...