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Should i be open?
« on: August 15, 2023, 04:11:00 PM »

I live in a relatively small town, everyone here knows each other and everyone is acquainted. I tried to be a little optimistic hoping that maybe i can do this procedure without people finding out, even thought about doing only 5-7cm at most rather then more to see if its harder to notice. Ive came to the conclusion that with the amount of people i talk to and hang out with that i will never be able to hide it, which leads me to my question. Should i just be confident and open about this surgery to those who ask and will inevitably find out anyways? I feel like its easier to just say im doing cll because i only live once then trying to explain and justify it all at once when people see me again. This is something thats been on my mind for awhile, im not really bothered by what anyone says or thinks of me, afterall its my life and you only have one so why not optimize it? Id just like to have some recommendations cause its a bit confusing for me honestly.
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2023, 06:52:14 PM »

Yes. People close to you will find out. Just be open. And if you can't live with that, then don't do it.
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Re: Should i be open?
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2023, 09:16:45 PM »

Do any of your acquaintances know about your surgery? What did they say ab it?
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2023, 02:40:47 AM »

Picture these two scenarios...

One is where you tell the town about your Limb Lengthening journey. Now, everyone will remember you as "the guy that went and paid a lot of money to get taller". That stigma will follow you everywhere you go in life, even years down the road. People will remember. 10 years...20 years...the town will know you as the guy that got Limb Lengthening surgery. At family get togethers...holidays...it'll be brought up by somebody and they'll talk about it. They'll joke about it. They'll ask questions about it. But it will follow you!

The second is where you don't tell anyone about your Limb Lengthening journey. Most people won't say anything because they have nothing to say, but will acknowledge you're taller. Some people will say, "Wow, you're a lot taller now. What happened?", and you can just respond with a shrug and say that you don't know. You just "had a growth spurt or something", and leave it at that. Nobody is going to keep pressuring you about it, because what can they say?

Most people don't know about this procedure, and even if they did, just deny everything. If they ask if you had Limb Lengthening surgery, just act confused like you have no idea what that is. They can't see inside your mind and your memories, so eventually they'll just drop it and accept you for being taller.
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Re: Should i be open?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2023, 05:29:02 AM »

I told close friends and family about the procedure. People were curious more than anything. But I live in a big city. Strangers and random people I date won’t know about this procedure. I’m guessing in a small town things are different
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Re: Should i be open?
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2023, 06:04:04 AM »

Most of people in my hometown are not well-informed, most of them don't even know what the growth plate is. My uncle even believe human can grow taller up to 30 yo. If I undergo this surgery one day and people notice that I become taller, I will distract them by answering "really?", I guess they won't go further.
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2023, 11:49:50 AM »

Get more confidence so you can stop caring and thnking about what people in your town think about you. What does it matter what they think about you? If it's not for LL they will find another reason to either like / dislike you. Don't allow yourself to be there victim, and chance yourself based on others opinion about you, only weak people do and care about that. If you do LL your family will find out no matter what, unless you do a laughable amount like under 5 cm, and they will properly tell others. You can either be made fun of being short or having had LL done. I would personally choose the latter, cuz then you can at least beat haters up (joke - violence are for low iq's)
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2023, 12:16:29 PM »

Get more confidence so you can stop caring and thnking about what people in your town think about you. What does it matter what they think about you? If it's not for LL they will find another reason to either like / dislike you. Don't allow yourself to be there victim, and chance yourself based on others opinion about you, only weak people do and care about that. If you do LL your family will find out no matter what, unless you do a laughable amount like under 5 cm, and they will properly tell others. You can either be made fun of being short or having had LL done. I would personally choose the latter, cuz then you can at least beat haters up (joke - violence are for low iq's)

Oh shut up for once in your life about 'confidence' you bluepilled dolt.
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Re: Should i be open?
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2023, 12:56:12 PM »

Oh shut up for once in your life about 'confidence' you bluepilled dolt.

youre too hard on the guy, gotta proceed in baby steps with soy chuggers. like a first step in his case would be teaching him the difference between “probably” and “properly” as its been months now and he still uses the latter thinking it’s the former

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Re: Should i be open?
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2023, 03:01:01 PM »

Get more confidence so you can stop caring and thnking about what people in your town think about you. What does it matter what they think about you? If it's not for LL they will find another reason to either like / dislike you. Don't allow yourself to be there victim, and chance yourself based on others opinion about you, only weak people do and care about that. If you do LL your family will find out no matter what, unless you do a laughable amount like under 5 cm, and they will properly tell others. You can either be made fun of being short or having had LL done. I would personally choose the latter, cuz then you can at least beat haters up (joke - violence are for low iq's)

I dont know where this confidence   came from, as in my OP i literally said that i WANT to tell people, but know that its probably not smart cause of how people view this procedure. I can agree with some of the things you said, but i still dont know how to go about this since there is no way i can gaslight people. People dont grow taller at 20, i have realistically no excuse that i could say that people would believe, leaving my only option to be open.
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Re: Should i be open?
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2023, 03:08:04 PM »

Picture these two scenarios...

One is where you tell the town about your Limb Lengthening journey. Now, everyone will remember you as "the guy that went and paid a lot of money to get taller". That stigma will follow you everywhere you go in life, even years down the road. People will remember. 10 years...20 years...the town will know you as the guy that got Limb Lengthening surgery. At family get togethers...holidays...it'll be brought up by somebody and they'll talk about it. They'll joke about it. They'll ask questions about it. But it will follow you!

The second is where you don't tell anyone about your Limb Lengthening journey. Most people won't say anything because they have nothing to say, but will acknowledge you're taller. Some people will say, "Wow, you're a lot taller now. What happened?", and you can just respond with a shrug and say that you don't know. You just "had a growth spurt or something", and leave it at that. Nobody is going to keep pressuring you about it, because what can they say?

Most people don't know about this procedure, and even if they did, just deny everything. If they ask if you had Limb Lengthening surgery, just act confused like you have no idea what that is. They can't see inside your mind and your memories, so eventually they'll just drop it and accept you for being taller.

Very reasonable response. Do you know what isn’t reasonable tho? Suddenly leaving for 6 months  to a year out of nowhere after being very active with people, just to miraculously show back up taller. Truthfully, do you actually believe that me simply saying “oh i grew taller” or smth like that will work in my situation? Im not some isolated guy living in a city where practically no one knows him at all. Im known in my area, people know roughly how tall i am because of some of the guys i hang with so theres no way gaslighting in this scenario would work. Even if i did a simple 2 inches id still get to like 5’10 from below average, thats not something that can be hidden.
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Re: Should i be open?
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2023, 03:58:45 PM »

Very reasonable response. Do you know what isn’t reasonable tho? Suddenly leaving for 6 months  to a year out of nowhere after being very active with people, just to miraculously show back up taller. Truthfully, do you actually believe that me simply saying “oh i grew taller” or smth like that will work in my situation? Im not some isolated guy living in a city where practically no one knows him at all. Im known in my area, people know roughly how tall i am because of some of the guys i hang with so theres no way gaslighting in this scenario would work. Even if i did a simple 2 inches id still get to like 5’10 from below average, thats not something that can be hidden.

Then get new friends or move to a different city, simple as that. You definitely don't want to be the talk of gossip in a small town, something like this they'll never let go.

Larger cities are also much better for your dating prospects which is one of the main reasons to do LL to begin with.
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Re: Should i be open?
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2023, 04:25:08 PM »

My life lessons taught me that a shorter man who owns his physical traits and carries himself with self confidence is more attractive than a tall man who lacks confidence.
If you are taller because of surgery, it will more than likely cause an issue of low self esteem and low self confidence which will pivot around your life, and I'm not sure the height wil make it go away, for me it feels like the contrary, it will be an issue that may even cause distress of constant hiding and shame.
So bottom line, my opinion is - not to be open about it, not doing a too obvious lengthening (unless you're really short. As long as you're reaching a height around the average height of your community it's enough), and share it only with the closest, most reliable people in your life.
That's my opinion and I know it's an individual perspective of human experience...
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2023, 05:19:54 PM »

My life lessons taught me that a shorter man who owns his physical traits and carries himself with self confidence is more attractive than a tall man who lacks confidence.

Life taught you wrong then.

And the two things are not mutually exclusive to begin with. As a matter of fact you're more likely to have muh confidence if you're tall because of positive social feedback given to taller men.
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2023, 05:23:57 PM »

harsismobi and Legs890...

If you don't believe that confidence/personality is what matters, then look up statistics and what women actually cares in these as their first priority which isn't height for the majority. In life if you behave weak and unconfident but is tall, it will not get you anywhere and you will still be miserable. Believing something else is just being delusional... But being able to feel fully confident and comfortable being short is usually not possible for most, and that is where LL can do it's magic while making you little more attractive as a added bonus. Don't believe me then look up interviews Cyborg4life has done with the surgeons, where most of them say that the biggest difference the added height does to the patients is that their confidence go up, and opens up new doors in life for them.

Btw next time when arguing with someone act like an adult and discuss the actual topic instead of trying to attack someones character. That is what people with low iq or children does, and it's quite pathetic honestly that some grown men behave this weak way online...
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Re: Should i be open?
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2023, 05:41:33 PM »

harsismobi and Legs890...

Very nice intelligent respons with logical arguments used. If you don't believe that confidence is what matters, then look up statistics and what women actually cares in these as their first priority isn't height for the majority, and in life if you behave weak and unconfident but is tall, it will not get you anywhere and you will still be miserable. Believing something else is just being delusional... But being able to feel fully confident and comfortable being short is usually not possible for most, and that is where LL can do it's magic. Don't believe me then look up interviews Cyborg4life has done with the surgeons, where most of them say that the biggest difference the added height does to the patients is that their confidence go up, and opens up new doors in life for them.

Btw next time when arguing with someone act like an adult and discuss the actual topic instead of trying to attack someone character. That is what people with low iq or children does, and it's quite pathetic honestly that some grown men behave this weak way online...

Dont even waste your energy man
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« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2023, 05:48:21 PM »

BestOfLuck

I agree it would not sound believeable but you could still give it a try if you want, since a small procentage of men grow in their early 20's. But at the end of the day you can either do the surgery and let people judge you or stay short and let more judgement be upon you. Either way I can understand your concern, but think that you will be better of just not caring and accepting that no matter what you do, some people will end up disliking you...
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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2023, 05:53:39 PM »

BestOfLuck

I agree it would not sound believeable but you could still give it a try if you want, since a small procentage of men grow in their early 20's. But at the end of the day you can either do the surgery and let people judge you or stay short and let more judgement be upon you. Either way I can understand your concern, but think that you will be better of just not caring and accepting that no matter what you do, some people will end up disliking you...

Friends and family already know, if it gets brought up when ive recovered ill just tell em the truth, afterall its only me thats truly bothered by my height and i just wanna be a bit taller. It doesnt affect anyone else. If they get it they get it if they dont thats fine, not everyone has to understand
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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2023, 06:18:36 PM »

harsismobi and Legs890...

If you don't believe that confidence/personality is what matters, then look up statistics and what women actually cares in these as their first priority which isn't height for the majority. In life if you behave weak and unconfident but is tall, it will not get you anywhere and you will still be miserable. Believing something else is just being delusional... But being able to feel fully confident and comfortable being short is usually not possible for most, and that is where LL can do it's magic while making you little more attractive as a added bonus. Don't believe me then look up interviews Cyborg4life has done with the surgeons, where most of them say that the biggest difference the added height does to the patients is that their confidence go up, and opens up new doors in life for them.

Btw next time when arguing with someone act like an adult and discuss the actual topic instead of trying to attack someones character. That is what people with low iq or children does, and it's quite pathetic honestly that some grown men behave this weak way online...

Not gonna "look up" a damn thing you soy guzzling virgin. Life perfectly clearly demonstrates its looks and height that matter over all else, especially for prime age women which are the only ones that matter.
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« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2023, 06:27:07 PM »

Not gonna "look up" a damn thing you soy guzzling virgin. Life perfectly clearly demonstrates its looks and height that matter over all else, especially for prime age women which are the only ones that matter.

Stop bloating my threads with this 💩 ffs
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« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2023, 06:57:17 PM »

Stop bloating my threads with this 💩 ffs

Cry more. Muh thread. You want an echo chamber, reddit might be more your thing.
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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2023, 07:00:23 PM »

I find it a very interesting psychological dilemma, and have tried to structure my thoughts below:

The advantages and disadvantages of trying to hide it:
The problem with hiding it is that it will most likely cause a lot of psychological pressure:

Let’s say you get LL and then hope to become more successful with women. Your initial attraction level will go up, I think we can all agree that height is by far not everything in dating, but that it is strong in the sense of filtering. As in, if you’re below a certain height, a lot of women will simply filter you out automatically as a dating option. So by getting taller the probability of finding a partner goes up in the sense that your dating pool becomes larger.

However, keeping it a secret also means that you will psychologically distance yourself from letting a girl get too close to you, because as someone gets closer to you, it will most likely just be a matter of time before they find out, and also, you would feel a sense of imposter syndrome from withholding it, and thereby have negative emotions in the relationship even if she didn’t find out.

This means that the ordinary psychological pressure points from letting a girl get close to you, like is she attracted to you physically? Is she attracted to you mentally? Are you compatible etc. now have an added weight which is how will she react if and when she finds out about LL.

The advantages and disadvantages of being open:
The problem with telling the truth from the get go is that, as NailedLegs said, you will get a social stigma that will follow you basically forever, as in if you thought people judged you on your height before, wait until after everyone knows you did LL.

Granted, if you are open about it, the stigma potential will be less than if you are discovered when trying to hide it, as people here may simply just be curious and ask a lot of questions, and then the interest and gossip about it dies down. Leaving you free after taking the battle head on.

You could find a girl that is okay with it, and won’t lose attraction to you if you’re honest from the beginning. But the amount of girls not losing attraction to you when they find out may diminish your initial dating pool beyond what it originally was.

The psychological pressure would also be a lot less albeit the identity from being the guy everyone talks having bad that crazy height surgery may cause psychological wear in time.

The advantages and disadvantages of the middle way:

A third option would be one of balance. That is, you tell the people closest to you, and accept the risk of it spilling out.

You tell them head on, no bull , that look I am telling you, you and you, along with my relatives that I am doing this. I am doing it because [insert reasons] and I know it carries a lot of judgement from others, so I want to be honest with you, but ask if you could keep it to yourselves. If everyone finds out I will have to deal with that but I would prefer avoiding that.

This way the psychological pressure of telling your closest friends and relatives would be diminished, but you bear the risk of the entire social circle and beyond finding out if someone talks too much which granted is a real risk. One person tells another who tells two more who tells four more etc.

Also they may be different around you acting like you have fragile legs, probably from a point of care and compassion, but this is still an element.

This option is perhaps dependent on how reliable the people closest to you are at keeping your things to themselves.

The advantage here being that you reduce a substantial amount of psychological stress but at a gamble that it won’t slip out and everyone finding out and identifying you as the guy did that thing.

You would still face substantial psychological pressure either conscious or subconscious as to whether people know or not. You will be very perceptive of people talking or behaving differently around you and be suspicious. Meaning you still risk suffering the sort of paranoia from the hiding option. Also, you would also face the problem of opening up when letting a girl in close to you, and risk her losing attraction and telling people which then means a lot of people find out.

Summary:

I think each option will strengthen certain personality types.

I would say the middle way is more of a way of winning some time, as in you can be open to some people and protect yourself from the immediate stigma of everyone at once, but you should accept that once one person knows the probability of everyone finding out approaches 100%. And therefore prepare yourself to simply be open and explain about it.

The hiding option could yield the best results, as in, you are finally free of height and all of that. But at a great risk of paranoia and avoiding people. This could end up yielding bad results long term. Maybe this option is more suited if you live far away from everyone, and they havent seen you in a long time. Ultimately though, you still have the risk of imposter syndrome sabotaging you in a relationship and the paranoia of it slipping out hanging over you. Maybe certain personality types are more immune to this and wont be affected as badly.

The being open about it certainly would mean a lot of talk and stigma, but the potential reward here being that eventually the talk dies down, and everyone gets on with their lives. It would come up again when meeting new people, and the question is whether a girl would still be attracted. Ultimately if you do find a girl and your friends and everyone knows, you could be perhaps the best suited to simply putting height and LL behind you and enjoy life. But it requires a personality that truely does not feel shame about LL and is willing to take on the battles and the risk of height talk remaining forever.


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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2023, 07:10:16 PM »

Cry more. Muh thread. You want an echo chamber, reddit might be more your thing.

Arent you that same skinny bottom twink who tried to kill himself and failed? Fxggot ass incel. Shoulda done facial reconstruction instead cause clearly your not getting bitches cause no women can stomach looking at you. Or dealing with your bitch psrsonality. This dumb fk was average height and truly thought the reason he couldnt get girls was  cause hes not 6 foot. Your fking delusional. How many different accounts have you made?😂 and how many times have you had a full blown convo with two of your other accounts because your such a fking poon that no one will conversate with you. Enjoy those crippled legs, once your recovered and realize that still no girls want you hopefully this time  you succeed in your suicide attempt, no wonder your so insecure whenever someone asks questions about fitness or amount lengthened, your a skinny fxggot ass incel who couldn’t squat a 50 pound bar if your life depended on it before ll, forget after. Now youll always remain a skinny, pathetic bottom twink that no girl will ever fw, especially when they find out you were such a sad little bitch you did cll solely to get more women cause thats literally all you have going for you.   Comedian of the year🤞🏽
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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2023, 07:15:29 PM »

I find it a very interesting psychological dilemma, and have tried to structure my thoughts below:

The advantages and disadvantages of trying to hide it:
The problem with hiding it is that it will most likely cause a lot of psychological pressure:

Let’s say you get LL and then hope to become more successful with women. Your initial attraction level will go up, I think we can all agree that height is by far not everything in dating, but that it is strong in the sense of filtering. As in, if you’re below a certain height, a lot of women will simply filter you out automatically as a dating option. So by getting taller the probability of finding a partner goes up in the sense that your dating pool becomes larger.

However, keeping it a secret also means that you will psychologically distance yourself from letting a girl get too close to you, because as someone gets closer to you, it will most likely just be a matter of time before they find out, and also, you would feel a sense of imposter syndrome from withholding it, and thereby have negative emotions in the relationship even if she didn’t find out.

This means that the ordinary psychological pressure points from letting a girl get close to you, like is she attracted to you physically? Is she attracted to you mentally? Are you compatible etc. now have an added weight which is how will she react if and when she finds out about LL.

The advantages and disadvantages of being open:
The problem with telling the truth from the get go is that, as NailedLegs said, you will get a social stigma that will follow you basically forever, as in if you thought people judged you on your height before, wait until after everyone knows you did LL.

Granted, if you are open about it, the stigma potential will be less than if you are discovered when trying to hide it, as people here may simply just be curious and ask a lot of questions, and then the interest and gossip about it dies down. Leaving you free after taking the battle head on.

You could find a girl that is okay with it, and won’t lose attraction to you if you’re honest from the beginning. But the amount of girls not losing attraction to you when they find out may diminish your initial dating pool beyond what it originally was.

The psychological pressure would also be a lot less albeit the identity from being the guy everyone talks having bad that crazy height surgery may cause psychological wear in time.

The advantages and disadvantages of the middle way:

A third option would be one of balance. That is, you tell the people closest to you, and accept the risk of it spilling out.

You tell them head on, no bull , that look I am telling you, you and you, along with my relatives that I am doing this. I am doing it because [insert reasons] and I know it carries a lot of judgement from others, so I want to be honest with you, but ask if you could keep it to yourselves. If everyone finds out I will have to deal with that but I would prefer avoiding that.

This way the psychological pressure of telling your closest friends and relatives would be diminished, but you bear the risk of the entire social circle and beyond finding out if someone talks too much which granted is a real risk. One person tells another who tells two more who tells four more etc.

Also they may be different around you acting like you have fragile legs, probably from a point of care and compassion, but this is still an element.

This option is perhaps dependent on how reliable the people closest to you are at keeping your things to themselves.

The advantage here being that you reduce a substantial amount of psychological stress but at a gamble that it won’t slip out and everyone finding out and identifying you as the guy did that thing.

You would still face substantial psychological pressure either conscious or subconscious as to whether people know or not. You will be very perceptive of people talking or behaving differently around you and be suspicious. Meaning you still risk suffering the sort of paranoia from the hiding option. Also, you would also face the problem of opening up when letting a girl in close to you, and risk her losing attraction and telling people which then means a lot of people find out.

Summary:

I think each option will strengthen certain personality types.

I would say the middle way is more of a way of winning some time, as in you can be open to some people and protect yourself from the immediate stigma of everyone at once, but you should accept that once one person knows the probability of everyone finding out approaches 100%. And therefore prepare yourself to simply be open and explain about it.

The hiding option could yield the best results, as in, you are finally free of height and all of that. But at a great risk of paranoia and avoiding people. This could end up yielding bad results long term. Maybe this option is more suited if you live far away from everyone, and they havent seen you in a long time. Ultimately though, you still have the risk of imposter syndrome sabotaging you in a relationship and the paranoia of it slipping out hanging over you. Maybe certain personality types are more immune to this and wont be affected as badly.

The being open about it certainly would mean a lot of talk and stigma, but the potential reward here being that eventually the talk dies down, and everyone gets on with their lives. It would come up again when meeting new people, and the question is whether a girl would still be attracted. Ultimately if you do find a girl and your friends and everyone knows, you could be perhaps the best suited to simply putting height and LL behind you and enjoy life. But it requires a personality that truely does not feel shame about LL and is willing to take on the battles and the risk of height talk remaining forever.

Thanks for your insight, dont  care about cll for relationships at all,  just want to be taller then i am now. My countrys height is on the taller side and even being like 1-2 inches below
That is kinda  . Plus i dont really spend my money on anything materialistic so i got nothing to lose
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Re: Should i be open?
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2023, 07:54:38 PM »

Arent you that same skinny bottom twink who tried to kill himself and failed? Fxggot ass incel. Shoulda done facial reconstruction instead cause clearly your not getting bitches cause no women can stomach looking at you. Or dealing with your bitch psrsonality. This dumb fk was average height and truly thought the reason he couldnt get girls was  cause hes not 6 foot. Your fking delusional. How many different accounts have you made?😂 and how many times have you had a full blown convo with two of your other accounts because your such a fking poon that no one will conversate with you. Enjoy those crippled legs, once your recovered and realize that still no girls want you hopefully this time  you succeed in your suicide attempt, no wonder your so insecure whenever someone asks questions about fitness or amount lengthened, your a skinny fxggot ass incel who couldn’t squat a 50 pound bar if your life depended on it before ll, forget after. Now youll always remain a skinny, pathetic bottom twink that no girl will ever fw, especially when they find out you were such a sad little bitch you did cll solely to get more women cause thats literally all you have going for you.   Comedian of the year🤞🏽

Will happily go up against you in terms of "numbers of women fked" anytime boyo. No idea what the rest of your babbling is about but suffice to say you bluepillers get precisely 0 pussy.
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Re: Should i be open?
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2023, 06:40:32 AM »

Very reasonable response. Do you know what isn’t reasonable tho? Suddenly leaving for 6 months  to a year out of nowhere after being very active with people, just to miraculously show back up taller. Truthfully, do you actually believe that me simply saying “oh i grew taller” or smth like that will work in my situation? Im not some isolated guy living in a city where practically no one knows him at all. Im known in my area, people know roughly how tall i am because of some of the guys i hang with so theres no way gaslighting in this scenario would work. Even if i did a simple 2 inches id still get to like 5’10 from below average, thats not something that can be hidden.

I've already began telling my family about my plans to travel the world in about a year or two, take a break/sabbatical, so that they are mentally prepared for when I leave. Why can't you do the same? Obviously disappearing for several months all at once suddenly is suspicious, but not if you get ahead of it and control the narrative.

There really isn't a 100% foolproof way to go about this, it's an incredibly life altering surgery. But best case scenario, in my opinion, is to come up with believable excuses, deny any and all accusations, and gaslight if you want to try and keep it a secret. Truthfully, it's not any of your families business what you do with your life or your legs, it doesn't involve them at all. Presumably, you're an adult, and it's not their life to live. So I don't see any moral qualms about it.

I find it a very interesting psychological dilemma, and have tried to structure my thoughts below:

The advantages and disadvantages of trying to hide it:
The problem with hiding it is that it will most likely cause a lot of psychological pressure:

Let’s say you get LL and then hope to become more successful with women. Your initial attraction level will go up, I think we can all agree that height is by far not everything in dating, but that it is strong in the sense of filtering. As in, if you’re below a certain height, a lot of women will simply filter you out automatically as a dating option. So by getting taller the probability of finding a partner goes up in the sense that your dating pool becomes larger.

However, keeping it a secret also means that you will psychologically distance yourself from letting a girl get too close to you, because as someone gets closer to you, it will most likely just be a matter of time before they find out, and also, you would feel a sense of imposter syndrome from withholding it, and thereby have negative emotions in the relationship even if she didn’t find out.

This means that the ordinary psychological pressure points from letting a girl get close to you, like is she attracted to you physically? Is she attracted to you mentally? Are you compatible etc. now have an added weight which is how will she react if and when she finds out about LL.

The advantages and disadvantages of being open:
The problem with telling the truth from the get go is that, as NailedLegs said, you will get a social stigma that will follow you basically forever, as in if you thought people judged you on your height before, wait until after everyone knows you did LL.

Granted, if you are open about it, the stigma potential will be less than if you are discovered when trying to hide it, as people here may simply just be curious and ask a lot of questions, and then the interest and gossip about it dies down. Leaving you free after taking the battle head on.

You could find a girl that is okay with it, and won’t lose attraction to you if you’re honest from the beginning. But the amount of girls not losing attraction to you when they find out may diminish your initial dating pool beyond what it originally was.

The psychological pressure would also be a lot less albeit the identity from being the guy everyone talks having bad that crazy height surgery may cause psychological wear in time.

The advantages and disadvantages of the middle way:

A third option would be one of balance. That is, you tell the people closest to you, and accept the risk of it spilling out.

You tell them head on, no bull , that look I am telling you, you and you, along with my relatives that I am doing this. I am doing it because [insert reasons] and I know it carries a lot of judgement from others, so I want to be honest with you, but ask if you could keep it to yourselves. If everyone finds out I will have to deal with that but I would prefer avoiding that.

This way the psychological pressure of telling your closest friends and relatives would be diminished, but you bear the risk of the entire social circle and beyond finding out if someone talks too much which granted is a real risk. One person tells another who tells two more who tells four more etc.

Also they may be different around you acting like you have fragile legs, probably from a point of care and compassion, but this is still an element.

This option is perhaps dependent on how reliable the people closest to you are at keeping your things to themselves.

The advantage here being that you reduce a substantial amount of psychological stress but at a gamble that it won’t slip out and everyone finding out and identifying you as the guy did that thing.

You would still face substantial psychological pressure either conscious or subconscious as to whether people know or not. You will be very perceptive of people talking or behaving differently around you and be suspicious. Meaning you still risk suffering the sort of paranoia from the hiding option. Also, you would also face the problem of opening up when letting a girl in close to you, and risk her losing attraction and telling people which then means a lot of people find out.

Summary:

I think each option will strengthen certain personality types.

I would say the middle way is more of a way of winning some time, as in you can be open to some people and protect yourself from the immediate stigma of everyone at once, but you should accept that once one person knows the probability of everyone finding out approaches 100%. And therefore prepare yourself to simply be open and explain about it.

The hiding option could yield the best results, as in, you are finally free of height and all of that. But at a great risk of paranoia and avoiding people. This could end up yielding bad results long term. Maybe this option is more suited if you live far away from everyone, and they havent seen you in a long time. Ultimately though, you still have the risk of imposter syndrome sabotaging you in a relationship and the paranoia of it slipping out hanging over you. Maybe certain personality types are more immune to this and wont be affected as badly.

The being open about it certainly would mean a lot of talk and stigma, but the potential reward here being that eventually the talk dies down, and everyone gets on with their lives. It would come up again when meeting new people, and the question is whether a girl would still be attracted. Ultimately if you do find a girl and your friends and everyone knows, you could be perhaps the best suited to simply putting height and LL behind you and enjoy life. But it requires a personality that truely does not feel shame about LL and is willing to take on the battles and the risk of height talk remaining forever.

The only person I plan on telling is my (future) wife and very close friend, who's also considering doing LL. But I will not tell family, or really anybody else.
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Re: Should i be open?
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2023, 02:31:36 PM »

I live in a relatively small town, everyone here knows each other and everyone is acquainted. I tried to be a little optimistic hoping that maybe i can do this procedure without people finding out, even thought about doing only 5-7cm at most rather then more to see if its harder to notice. Ive came to the conclusion that with the amount of people i talk to and hang out with that i will never be able to hide it, which leads me to my question. Should i just be confident and open about this surgery to those who ask and will inevitably find out anyways? I feel like its easier to just say im doing cll because i only live once then trying to explain and justify it all at once when people see me again. This is something thats been on my mind for awhile, im not really bothered by what anyone says or thinks of me, afterall its my life and you only have one so why not optimize it? Id just like to have some recommendations cause its a bit confusing for me honestly.

Yeah sounds like you're being reasonable with expectations at least.  5CM is the absolute max that you could maybe gaslight people (and this is optimistic) and you better hope they are absolutely retarded.  But I think its maybe possible.  If your relatives are right near your height though especially your dad forget it though, it will be undeniable.  I did a small amount and its so freaking obvious.  Had a friend literally ask me if I heard about LL after fully recovered with completely normal walk and run.  It sounds like you're near average height so this procedure is indeed going to be very noticeable.  7CM....dont even fool yourself theres no chance at hiding it.

The only way you're getting away with 7CM is if you're absurdly short like 5'2 and nowhere near eye level with others.  Even then its noticeable.

Unfortunately with LL its tough to win.  Its always a choice between being taller and having everyone know you broke your legs.  Some people care a lot about people knowing and others dont so much.  Just need to be honest with what you can live with.

One thing possible is doing like 3CM, waiting, getting people accustomed to the new height.  And then re-breaking and doing another 3CM a year later.  However this is more expensive and time consuming.  Good shot it wouldnt fool anyone too.  And LL is a seriously depressing and long journey with just one lengthening from surgery to nails out.  So idk I would recommend this.  This would be like a 3 year total journey until scars are faded with nails out.
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Re: Should i be open?
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2023, 07:31:40 PM »

Yeah sounds like you're being reasonable with expectations at least.  5CM is the absolute max that you could maybe gaslight people (and this is optimistic) and you better hope they are absolutely retarded.  But I think its maybe possible.  If your relatives are right near your height though especially your dad forget it though, it will be undeniable.  I did a small amount and its so freaking obvious.  Had a friend literally ask me if I heard about LL after fully recovered with completely normal walk and run.  It sounds like you're near average height so this procedure is indeed going to be very noticeable.  7CM....dont even fool yourself theres no chance at hiding it.

The only way you're getting away with 7CM is if you're absurdly short like 5'2 and nowhere near eye level with others.  Even then its noticeable.

Unfortunately with LL its tough to win.  Its always a choice between being taller and having everyone know you broke your legs.  Some people care a lot about people knowing and others dont so much.  Just need to be honest with what you can live with.

One thing possible is doing like 3CM, waiting, getting people accustomed to the new height.  And then re-breaking and doing another 3CM a year later.  However this is more expensive and time consuming.  Good shot it wouldnt fool anyone too.  And LL is a seriously depressing and long journey with just one lengthening from surgery to nails out.  So idk I would recommend this.  This would be like a 3 year total journey until scars are faded with nails out.

This is basically what ive been saying the entire time, trying to imply that i could just pretend this didnt happen to dozens of friends and people i party with is complete bull . I see them consistently, and id be taller then some of them after this aswell. You got these goons tryna gaslight acting like 5cm wont be noticeable and to just try n lie, makes me wonder if they even had Cll done to begin with.  Ffs just standing on your tip toes gives you 2 inches and its immediately noticeable especially if your already close to average. Only choice is to be upfront or just make an excuse and say i had to do one leg for correction but then decided to do both instead.

 
I've already began telling my family about my plans to travel the world in about a year or two, take a break/sabbatical, so that they are mentally prepared for when I leave. Why can't you do the same? Obviously disappearing for several months all at once suddenly is suspicious, but not if you get ahead of it and control the narrative.

There really isn't a 100% foolproof way to go about this, it's an incredibly life altering surgery. But best case scenario, in my opinion, is to come up with believable excuses, deny any and all accusations, and gaslight if you want to try and keep it a secret. Truthfully, it's not any of your families business what you do with your life or your legs, it doesn't involve them at all. Presumably, you're an adult, and it's not their life to live. So I don't see any moral qualms about it.

The only person I plan on telling is my (future) wife and very close friend, who's also considering doing LL. But I will not tell family, or really anybody else.

My family knows already. I dont care about family knowing, i care more about how some friends and acquaintances would view me afterwards. Like ive said before there is no lying or gaslighting that would work in my scenario. Id rather just be truthful. I dont intend on telling anyone ive never met though, this only applies to the decent chunk of people ive seen recently, and actively go out with.
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Re: Should i be open?
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2023, 08:01:32 PM »

It depends on your country, in Spain I recommend to be open, because if they discover you, they will feel it disrespectful ("Do you think that we are silly?"). Instead, if you are open most of people will ask you about the procedure, but nothing more, cosmetic surgery is accepted for most of people.
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Re: Should i be open?
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2023, 08:04:26 PM »

The only person I plan on telling is my (future) wife and very close friend, who's also considering doing LL. But I will not tell family, or really anybody else.
This is one way to go about it. And perhaps a smart one too. But it must also be very lonely and scary. As in, when is it the right moment to tell her? How early on? What if she suddenly compliments your height without knowing about LL. Will she then find it too weird if she finds out? And would that kill the relationship? Maybe I’m just overthinking and being stupid about it. But I think carrying that will be hard and make it difficult to make oneself vulnerable and let a girl in close.
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Re: Should i be open?
« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2023, 01:17:44 AM »

My family knows already. I dont care about family knowing, i care more about how some friends and acquaintances would view me afterwards. Like ive said before there is no lying or gaslighting that would work in my scenario. Id rather just be truthful. I dont intend on telling anyone ive never met though, this only applies to the decent chunk of people ive seen recently, and actively go out with.

In this case, since some people already know, I would tell your friends so that you can get ahead of the situation and control the narrative. I could give a long writeup on the psychology of it all, but to put simply, it's best you get ahead of it and tell people upfront. Tell them what you want them to know, rather than them hearing it from your family where they will almost certainly get a distorted/inaccurate view of the situation and will make you look worse. Be confident about it, be unapologetic about it, be open about it, and make sure to squash any false claims early on before they spread.

This is one way to go about it. And perhaps a smart one too. But it must also be very lonely and scary. As in, when is it the right moment to tell her? How early on? What if she suddenly compliments your height without knowing about LL. Will she then find it too weird if she finds out? And would that kill the relationship? Maybe I’m just overthinking and being stupid about it. But I think carrying that will be hard and make it difficult to make oneself vulnerable and let a girl in close.

In my personal opinion, I will wait until I am ready to propose to her. I'd want to make sure that I am absolutely 100% certain about her. I'd tell her, explain the whole process and everything, then give her the time to process it all. If she decides to leave me because of it, good! It means I dodged a bullet! It's a test of her character, if anything. If she stays with me, then it means she doesn't care and it doesn't effect her love for me.

I would not tell someone that on the first date...or even the 20th lol. Only prior to the proposal.

I mentioned this in another thread, but some of the reasons I want to tell my (future) wife about it is because...

1) I want to know her full medical history.
I believe that it's only fair that I tell her my entire medical history, if I want to know hers. It's equal and fair.

2) I will have to convince her to put our boys on HGH and AI's so that they do not grow up short like I did.
It would be difficult to explain if she didn't know my own backstory in getting limb lengthening and the disadvantage that short men have in life, but could be entirely prevented with non-invasive medical treatment early on.
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