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[LittleWhiteMan]

I hope you are having a good day folks, let me tell you more about me and how my dreams had been crushed up all due my height. I just turned 16 this July, I was expecting a growth spurt since January (for at least 2 or 3 inches, or even 3 cm at least), had been exercising, drinking plenty of milk, etc. etc. and nothing changed. My dad is 5'7" and well, he doesn't seem to care that much about height since he is very bulked up and all he cares is MUSCLE, not for my case; in the other hand, my mom is 4'10" (surprisingly because my maternal grandfather was 6'5-6'7"! And my maternal grandmother is around 5'2"-5'3"). Unfortunately, this is the thing that might surprise most of you... I am 5'1", not a late bloomer, and done growing. I can even grow a full beard at this point. AND NO, I AM NOT EVEN 5'3" LIKE THE AVERAGE "ELF" HEIGHT. I am actually White, my family is european, and here comes yet another surprising and disturbing fact that I hate, I was born and raised in Mexico. It's not like if I hate Mexico but people, especially in America, loves to generalize and say "well it is because you are mexican" like even the native mexicans from here are way taller than me! They are all around 5'8" to 5'10"! However, my dad wants me to be like him, to focus on doing exercise and be healthy but I don't, I am actually underweight for my height as well, I am like 99 pounds with a kind of skinny built up. I already grew chest muscle, a curly strip is going all the way up from my groin to my belly button, etc. etc. I am done growing, that's it, if much I can grow 2 or 3 (I DON'T THINK SO) inches on my back but here is another thing.

My back measures 26 inches, from my belly button to the top of my head, and my legs measure 34 inches from the bottom of my feet to my belly button, in other words, my trunk is big enough for my legs already so big that I don't think I may be able to grow more on my back. I went through a HGH replacement treatment around May to see if I could gain a little height as a last option, all I did was to spend like $1000 dollars in these last 3-4 months and just grew less than a CENTIMETER. My mother and father, however, still insist that I will keep growing until i turn 21, this is all a lie, and it only happens to those who get into puberty late. I started to notice puberty changes at age 12, from when I passed from around 4'6" to 5'1", thinking I was going to be able to grow a little bit more and reach at least 5'5"-5'6", that didn't happened. I am seeking Limb Lengthening as a last chance, since whenever I see my legs I notice that the fault is on them, they are like some tiny chicken legs, they are kind of curved as well, this makes me think that probably i was going to be 5'4"-5'6" (that was also my predicted height at birth, which doesn't seem bad for me), but now at this point of my life it seems that I won't even reach 5'4". I had a knee X-Ray that showed the bone age of my knees, it showed that I was done growing on my limb area and my endocrinologist still insists that I will grow a little bit on my back with the HGH, however, i mentioned already that my back is big enough for my legs already and he still doesn't want to face that (he is like 6'2").

I hope to seek some good information around here about LL and its pros and cons, good doctors, etc. oh and btw I live in the US now, my father is from the US and I got American citizenship, that's how I am sharing with you these great experiences I have had during High School while being surrounded of 6'3" 6'0" black and white teenagers.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

Glad to have you here.  You've come to the right place for unbiased, uncensored information about limb lengthening.

Your story is a compelling one and it sounds like LL would be ideal for you.  It actually made me feel greedy that I was able to start at 5'7 and go to 5'10.

[Overdozer]

my legs measure 34 inches from the bottom of my feet to my belly button

I've got 113cm (almost 45 inches) at my final height (6') are you saying all the height difference we've got is due to the leg length? In that case, you should have a huge torso. I suggest you measuring your sitting height (and doing it right) and also arm span. If I were you, I'd go 4 inches tibia-femur for a total of 8 inches gain to 5'9, my sitting height is 89-90cm so you should have around the same if you measurments are correct and that SH is the most usual for someone who is 5'9. Your wing span will probably be less than 5'9, but you can lengthen your arms, if you find it really disproportionate.

My mother and father, however, still insist that I will keep growing until i turn 21, this is all a lie

It's not a lie, because they actually believe it, but it won't happen. They should have taken notice when you were younger, seeing as you're short for your age and applied for GH therapy. They fked up.

So what's your arm span? You're only limited by that.

[Gichelu]

Yes let's lengthen all our bones by 4 inches each. Matter of fact we should all lengthen both our humerus and forearms by four inches each also so we get 8 inches of height and 8 inches of wingspan.

[Overdozer]

we should all lengthen both our humerus and forearms by four inches each
8 inches of wingspan.

I see you aren't very good at math.

And your irony is out of place. I never said everyone should lengthen that much, but his case is extreme.

[LittleWhiteMan]

My sitting height is 32 inches... and I am 61 inches tall. Like really, I am this short... I wish I was at least 5'5" at this point... yet my dream height would be 5'10" which I completely doubt that would happen. However, I am here to know how to start seeking for LL info, like who are the best doctors/surgeons, prices, where to go, availability in the US; I always hear of this "Dr Xia" idk who she/he is, please someone introduce me to this great challenge that might change my life, as well as advices on those "bone infections" that may occur if you do these kind of surgeries.

[LittleWhiteMan]

I would also love to find a way to convince my parents that this surgery might actually help me. My mother thinks that HGH is the only thing that might actually work and that any other method is risky, as for my father he thinks both things suck and he is just spending money on stuff "I don't need". He has another family, whom are very rich, as well my dad, I have two half-siblings, a brother who is 2 years younger than me AND IS 5'7" ALREADY, and a sister who is about my same age ( a month older) who is 4'11", my father expects me to marry a girl around my sister's height, he says "at least you are taller than your sister", well yeah but she is a girl... I don't want the same loophole to continue, I want to be af least 5'5" and marry a 5'6"-5'10" woman so my offspring won't live the same hell as me.

[KiloKAHN]

HGH started this late will barely get you any increase in height and it's possible that it can cause cancer later down the line - not worth the risk, imo. Your growth plates may have even fused already (which you can check by asking your doctor to get a bone age scan). If you really are miserable about your height then continue to research as much as you can. If you want to invest a lot of time and money in this you can certainly get to 5'6 lengthening within the recommended limits on each segment (slightly more than 2 inches on tibias, around 3 inches on femurs).

[LittleWhiteMan]

Indeed my friend, as mentioned above my knee growth plates are fully closed, and the endocrinologist keeps telling me thst I may grow a bit on my trunk with the HGH, I don't think so since it is already bigger than the lower half of my body (sitting height is 32 inches for 61 inches tall). I am thinking of quiting the HGH this week, 4 months worth nothing I hope they don't bring me any risk later in time.

[LittleWhiteMan]

Also, is it possible that by investing such amount of money I could finally reach 5'8"-5'10" as well? you know, to take advantage of the moving of country and the surgeries and pain and etc. or it just can be plain 5'5"-5'6"? If I am willing to spend so much money well then i would take good advantage of it you know... hahaha. (idk how this works really thats why I am coming here, for advices).

[Overdozer]

so my offspring won't live the same hell as me.

You can use HGH on your offsprings so they grow any height you want. Just make sure you don't wait 'till they're 16.

You can do quadrilateral lengthening with Dr. Paley for a total of 4-5 inches of safe height gain, but it's pricey. Though I feel like it'll be the best option for you because it's FAST and he's from the US. Time is really a huge deal, when you're going for both tibia and femur lengthening.

And just tell your parents you'd rather kill yourself than live at your current height, they should feel it's a real problem for you, as it is. That should work.

[Overdozer]

Also, is it possible that by investing such amount of money I could finally reach 5'8"-5'10" as well? you know, to take advantage of the moving of country and the surgeries and pain and etc. or it just can be plain 5'5"-5'6"? If I am willing to spend so much money well then i would take good advantage of it you know... hahaha. (idk how this works really thats why I am coming here, for advices).

7-9 inches gain may throw your proportions off badly, I suggest you making a mockup with such increase to judge for yourself. If you DO grow more on your truck from HGH, then it should be easier proportions-wise, are you sure you didn't grow at all from HGH therapy?

[KiloKAHN]

Also, is it possible that by investing such amount of money I could finally reach 5'8"-5'10" as well? you know, to take advantage of the moving of country and the surgeries and pain and etc. or it just can be plain 5'5"-5'6"? If I am willing to spend so much money well then i would take good advantage of it you know... hahaha. (idk how this works really thats why I am coming here, for advices).

With distraction osteogenesis there's theoretically no limit to how much new bone can be made. The limiting factor is the soft tissues surrounding it because they don't respond well to lengthening. The more you lengthen, the more complications you can run into. For example, my surgeon has a limit of 6 centimeters on tibia lengthening because after that complications increase exponentially. You can get complications such as procurvatum, valgus, stiffness of the knee and ankle, equinus contracture (ballerina foot), knee flexion contracture, lose your range of motion, and other things. Of course these can happen if you go to an inexperienced surgeon and complications can come up even with a lesser amount of lengthening, but generally the less you lengthen the quicker your recovery and the less severe complications you'll run into. So yes, you could probably lengthen 4 inches on each segment and reach 5'9 if you wish (a few people are known to have done it), but then you have to consider how long you're going to need to do physiotherapy just to get back to walking normally again. Lengthening that much you'd probably have to do your arms as well unless you want to look like you're walking on stilts.

[LittleWhiteMan]

That sounds good, can it also be little by little? Like grow 2 inches one time then 3 inches later and so on?

[Overdozer]

That sounds good, can it also be little by little? Like grow 2 inches one time then 3 inches later and so on?

Sure, why not?

[Medium Drink Of Water]

Yeah, Jungle did two separate LL surgeries on his tibiae.

[LittleWhiteMan]

I will try... now I need to know the best doctors to do it (and by this I mean the one whose procedure might not bring me complications in the future)... is this surgery completely safe? How many chances are there of a complication in the future? Also, what happens to your bones when you become a senior adult? Do they deteriorate easily or something?

[KiloKAHN]

I will try... now I need to know the best doctors to do it (and by this I mean the one whose procedure might not bring me complications in the future)... is this surgery completely safe? How many chances are there of a complication in the future? Also, what happens to your bones when you become a senior adult? Do they deteriorate easily or something?

Your recovery will be much better if you go to a qualified limb lengthening specialist. There are joint replacement surgeons who will do limb lengthening but avoid them as they don't have the extra years of specialist training that Ilizarov surgeons have. Complications can happen at any point during lengthening but a good doctor will know how to fix them if they happen. After you're done lengthening it doesn't end there, however, as you'll require some time for you to recover to the point where you feel like you did pre-surgery. Imo, if you lengthen tibias you would have the best recovery if you do externals with a hexapod or TSF (Taylor Spatial Frame) because they can do very accurate corrections and ensure your bones are perfectly aligned at the end of lengthening. For femurs, go with an internal method like the Precice 2 or Gnail. The new bone formed is just as strong as the old bone, they won't deteriorate easier from age.

[LittleWhiteMan]

This surgery is a "natural non-naturally forced" surgery right? Like what we are doing is break off our legs to let em grow a little bit more by themselves. Most people believe that they actually put you metals in-between your bones and you will live with them
for all your life... that isn't true right?

[Medium Drink Of Water]

Sometimes internal nails are left in if they aren't causing problems, to avoid the risks that come from taking them out, which is also a major surgery.  But usually they'll be taken out and you don't HAVE to leave them in.  You can get them removed if you want.

[Greek-Semidget]

This surgery is a "natural non-naturally forced" surgery right? Like what we are doing is break off our legs to let em grow a little bit more by themselves. Most people believe that they actually put you metals in-between your bones and you will live with them
for all your life... that isn't true right?

Hehe hallo, I am 16 too yet really experienced in this forum and old forum , I am 5'8 but mom is 5'9 and dad 5'10 and I except my 2 years younger brother to be 6-6'2. I consider LL my self,cause I always imagine myself taller. Your are in a bad height(damn genetics ) BUT you can get to 5'7 which Is a fantastic height (imagine 5'8.5 with proper shoes ) what i suggest you is to save some money for internal femurs.Do 3-4 inches (better 3.5 to 3) and then shoot 2.5 to 3 on tibias with externals in Russia.what is your winspan

[tapemeasure]

You can use HGH on your offsprings so they grow any height you want. Just make sure you don't wait 'till they're 16.

You can do quadrilateral lengthening with Dr. Paley for a total of 4-5 inches of safe height gain, but it's pricey. Though I feel like it'll be the best option for you because it's FAST and he's from the US. Time is really a huge deal, when you're going for both tibia and femur lengthening.

And just tell your parents you'd rather kill yourself than live at your current height, they should feel it's a real problem for you, as it is. That should work.

I wish my parents used HGH on me (although it's illegal here). My parents are morons - they just think you should work hard in life, not care about looks, and none of this stuff matters. I remember going for a different haircut one time and paying like 10 times the price I normally would, and I got no end of crap from my parents saying 'whats the point, why do you care that much what you look like, are you trying to impress some girls, why did you spend that much money on a haircut?'. Complete idiots, they're so out of touch with modern society. Looks (including height) are a huge deal for me and so many people in society. It wasn't until I was 18/19 that I started to realise this and it hit me with a huge depression/realisation that I've never had before in life.

Anyway, rant over.

[Sweden]

I think your parents want the best for you from what they know.
Don't recent them just bc they don't understand you.
You should always work hard in your life, but not foolish hard.

[Wannabegiant]

I think your parents want the best for you from what they know.
Don't recent them just bc they don't understand you.
You should always work hard in your life, but not foolish hard.

Yeah exactly, i can understand him though, my parents are like in their late 50s so their generation was entirely different from how it is today, I was initially annoyed how they didnt understand that looks and status are very important for a successful and eventful life today.

However i have stopped being annoyed with them and instead i realize i should be annoyed at todays society, and the pathetic values the youth of my generation has. I wasnt like them at first but i will never feel fulfilled unless i can get even with the arrogant  s ive met and surely will meet in the future. So i have to play by the modern rules.

I respect my parents for having good old school values such as being humble, helpful etc and working hard mainly to take care of the family, not for their image and career.

[ReadRothbard]

I understand that this is an old thread, but you actually need about 8 more inches on your legs to reach golden ratio proportions. If you are feeling wild, my friend, go for 4 inches per leg segment. You'd be an inspiration to is all!

P.s. If you are going to do that much, only use internals!!!

[GROWtalORdieTRYING1]

read rothbard is correct about the golden ratio. however you would still have short arms hands, shoulder with. so it is probably a better idea to stay below the golden ratio to still look normal.

if your golden ratio for height is normal, and your golden ratio for all other aspects of your body are small, it will look weird.

also you want to remain functional and working. after 8 inches that wont happen.

the most I would ever recommend would be 7.5 cm per segment. and that is going to result in loos of function to a degree.

to stay safe you best stick to (6cm tibia and 6cm femur) while at 100% current function.
unless you want (7.5cm tibia and 7.5cm femur) whilst at about 70% your current function.

being shorter means your body cant lengthen as much as someone who is naturally taller.

[ReadRothbard]

I can't say for certain that he won't get back to normal at 8 more inches. Very few people have done that much before. However, Paley does do 8 cm in the femurs and he says that all of his patients recover athletic ability back. 10 cm in each leg segment isn't going to work for most people, though, I agree--only the young and very fit will be able to pull it off (according to Dr. Guichet). If he was going to do that, it would be a lot of work, PT and strength training, to return to normal.

[GROWtalORdieTRYING1]

I agree that gitchet would be the best option for such an endeavor.

but there has never been a single person to do 8 inches (who wasn't a dwarf) and recovered.

in fact all the people who did greater than 15cm look to be permanently crippled for years.

[Ajax2thousand20]

I agree that gitchet would be the best option for such an endeavor.

but there has never been a single person to do 8 inches (who wasn't a dwarf) and recovered.

in fact all the people who did greater than 15cm look to be permanently crippled for years.

Isn't that what happened to Crazy 6 from old forum ?

[GROWtalORdieTRYING1]

yes, but arguably crazy 6 had a bad doctor.

still regardless of any doctor no one has ever produced a diary of more than 15cm where the result was not permanently being crippled.

[GROWtalORdieTRYING1]

even jungle did 12 cm. seems to be fine, then tried to get a third operation for more length and his body rejected the ability to get taller.

but jungle refused to go into detail about it.(third surgery)

stick to 12 cm guys.