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[Mocrovich]

Would a doctor in Turkey, India, or Russia do 8cm on the tibia or 12 cm on the femur if you ask them or are there prerequisites? Yes, I do know it's well beyond the safe limit and I understand it so please don't lecture on that. From what I understand you grow around 1mm every day so if I wanted 8cm on the tibia or 12cm on the femur on 2 separate occasions would that mean we keep it 80 and 120 days respectively on each and it will reach the desired height or it would stop growing at some point? If it's that easy why don't more people do it instead of doing a simple 8+5cm ?

[TheDream]

If it's that easy why don't more people do it instead of doing a simple 8+5cm ?

You answered your own question:

Yes, I do know it's well beyond the safe limit and I understand it so please don't lecture on that.

[lovinglonglegs]

technically you can do it but yu have to spend a lot of time and money.

[Mocrovich]

technically you can do it but yu have to spend a lot of time and money.

I guess by money you mean the hotel length that will get extended right?

[Mocrovich]

You answered your own question:

Fair enough

[Confidence]

If you're lengthening that much, expect to slow your lengthening rate to well below 1mm a day past the 6-8cm point.

[DanishViking]

Doing that amount of lengthening is never recommended and 99% of people can't tolerate it...

[AllinStryde]

Those kinds of gains are unsafe.  Even if you do reach it, your body's biomechanics and changes, center of gravity, muscle loss etc will take you like 3 years to recover.  And even so, you won't have the physical abilities you did before, not even close. 

[NailedLegs]

You're not going to be able to do it. Even suggesting 1mm a day on tibias tells me you don't understand the limitations of this surgery. Without even knowing your wingspan, I already know your proportions are going to be terrible and will likely necessitate arm lengthening too...but thats assuming you'll even be able to walk after going to such an extreme.

[YOUNGandSTRONG]

I only know of 4 people who have achieved that extension, two of them seem to be "fine" but the rest I have no idea of ​​their lives today. A 15-16 cm extension as done at the Paley Institute is safe.

[NailedLegs]

I only know of 4 people who have achieved that extension, two of them seem to be "fine" but the rest I have no idea of ​​their lives today. A 15-16 cm extension as done at the Paley Institute is safe.

8+12 is 20, not 16. OP also asked about doing it in one go, which Paley does 4 + 4, then a year later 4 + 4. 12cm on femurs in one go is crazy.

[Mocrovich]

8+12 is 20, not 16. OP also asked about doing it in one go, which Paley does 4 + 4, then a year later 4 + 4. 12cm on femurs in one go is crazy.

1mm a day should keep the doctor away

[Mocrovich]

You're not going to be able to do it. Even suggesting 1mm a day on tibias tells me you don't understand the limitations of this surgery. Without even knowing your wingspan, I already know your proportions are going to be terrible and will likely necessitate arm lengthening too...but that's assuming you'll even be able to walk after going to such an extreme.

The guy who opened LiveLifeTaller did 20cm and he is in good shape albeit he did it in 3 surgeries but I don't see the difference. Could do 18cm too but you always need to aim high because you may lose some cm’s in the process

[Mocrovich]

You're not going to be able to do it.

Many people have done it, what makes you think it's not make able? If it's  a proportion issue I don't see the problem.

[NailedLegs]

1mm a day should keep the doctor away

It's not just about bone regenerate, it's also about all the soft tissues being able to keep up. The longer your lengthen, the more side effects you'll receive. Nerves. Muscles. Tendons. The more you lengthen, the more at risk you are of complications. Just because you only lengthen 1mm a day does not mean you can lengthen to infinity. There is a reason Dr. Paley only lengthens 4 + 4, then waits a year to do another 4 + 4. Do you know more than the best limb lengthening surgeon in the world? Unlikely.

The guy who opened LiveLifeTaller did 20cm and he is in good shape albeit he did it in 3 surgeries but I don't see the difference. Could do 18cm too but you always need to aim high because you may lose some cm’s in the process

>LifeLiveTaller.

Lol. The same clinic that has been caught lying about their patient outcomes, and has been caught making fake diaries on this very forum? You are going to trust LiveLifeTaller, Dr. Buldu, who is a known butcher and his cronies like Sedat?

I am beginning to think you're just trolling. Or you were caught bright-eyed and bushy-tailed by the flashy marketing they do on social media.

>Could do 18cm too but you always need to aim high because you may lose some cm’s in the process

What does this even mean? Your femurs and tibias do not shrink, or lose height, like your spine does. Do you mean because of the Q-Angle? Now you are just saying nonsense.

Many people have done it, what makes you think it's not make able? If it's  a proportion issue I don't see the problem.

"Many people have done it"

WHO!? What Doctor has performed cosmetic limb lengthening and lengthened their patient by 20cm!? Not Paley, and not 12cm in a single go!

Clearly you don't want to listen, you only want to be told what you want to hear. So go ahead. Do what you want to do. It's your body, and I have no control over it. While I do not look forward to you crippling yourself, I do wish that you write a diary so that this forum can use you as an example of what not to do, and hopefully prevent other people in the future from making the same mistake.

[Mocrovich]

Are you Paley’s right-hand man because all you do is say “Paley, Paley, Paley” There are other doctors in the world not just your Paley

What does this even mean? Your femurs and tibias do not shrink, or lose height, like your spine does. Do you mean because of the Q-Angle? Now you are just saying nonsense.

I heard you lose approximately 15-20% with Lon so stop acting so smart

[Body Builder]

There's no way to do these amounts together (or on their own) without ending up crippled.
 

[Mocrovich]

Many have done it in the past like Dr. Halil who did 20 cms in 3 surgeries and he's in spectacular form but would 10+7 be more realistic?

[TheDream]

8+12 is 20, not 16. OP also asked about doing it in one go, which Paley does 4 + 4, then a year later 4 + 4. 12cm on femurs in one go is crazy.

I wonder if Paley does the second 4 + 4 along the exact same points or if he distracts somewhere else on the bone.

Something I was thinking about:

You are technically lengthening along the same mid point during a lengthening, so maximum strain will be on the soft tissue right in the middle of the breakage point.

Maybe Paley breaks another place on the second go to spread the soft tissue strain instead of keeping it all the same place?

[BestOfLuck]

This might be the funniest thing i have had the displeasure of reading. Lets just quickly piece together this guys plan, hes planning on going to one of the cheap 💩er countries for a surgery that should only be available to the people who can actually afford it, presumably this means hes cheaping out on a surgery that involves breaking one of the most valuable parts of your body. He wants to do TIBIAS of all parts, AND wants to lengthen FAR beyond any surgeons recommended length Hes already considering before even having the surgery to lengthen 1mm a day before even knowing what it will be like. AND to add icing to the cake hes completely unwilling to listen to genuine feedback as hes so hell-bent on his imaginary number he cant even consider that crippled legs that are tall are just as unnatractive as FUNCTIONAL short legs, if not far worse. Im gonna Hope to god that your short. And i mean SHORT short like between 5 foot and 5’4 because i cant possibly see any other height where you would want that much length gained. If you dont give yourself a reasonable height goal, your gonna be a cripple with slightly longer legs. Make the right choice ffs

[YOUNGandSTRONG]

Paley suggests a maximum of 8 cm femur and tibia for a dual lengthening. However +7 cm in each extremity is already enough and 12 in a single segment as our friend wants is not impossible but your body mechanism will be 5/10 or even less as a guarantee

[YOUNGandSTRONG]

It's true, many people do more than 8 cm in a segment and it's fking beastly. I do not criticize your thought but it is something that gives us to think about the repercussions that this extension will cause in the future. Just keep your attention on your body and listen to it

[YOUNGandSTRONG]

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[NailedLegs]

Are you Paley’s right-hand man because all you do is say “Paley, Paley, Paley” There are other doctors in the world not just your Paley

I heard you lose approximately 15-20% with Lon so stop acting so smart

Yes, there are many fantastic and competent orthopedic surgeons in the world. And Dr. Buldu is not one of them. I asked you a very simple question. What Doctor has performed cosmetic limb lengthening and lengthened their patient by 20cm? And who has lengthened 12cm on a single segment at once? Who?

>I heard you lose approximately 15-20% with Lon

By who? What Doctor said you lose 15-20% of lengthening with LON? Tell me that Doctors name. Go ahead. I'll wait. But I know it'll be forever, because you can't find one.

>so stop acting so smart

I have approached this conversation with facts, logic, and sound reasoning. I tried to explain things to you in a simple to understand way. But your pride and arrogance is getting in the way. I asked you simple questions because I am showing you that your line of thinking is incorrect.

Here's a good study for you to read. Another highly respected and competent surgeon, Dr Rozbruch, was one of the authors.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6031532/ "A Comparison of Femoral Lengthening Methods Favors the Magnetic Internal Lengthening Nail When Compared with Lengthening Over a Nail"

I wonder if Paley does the second 4 + 4 along the exact same points or if he distracts somewhere else on the bone.

Something I was thinking about:

You are technically lengthening along the same mid point during a lengthening, so maximum strain will be on the soft tissue right in the middle of the breakage point.

Maybe Paley breaks another place on the second go to spread the soft tissue strain instead of keeping it all the same place?

I believe a different part. Dr. Rozbruch, another respected surgeon, had an arm lengthening patient and did the second osteotemy proximal to the first. Obviously, an arm is different than a leg. But the idea is similar. This would be a question I'd ask your surgeon, though. I am not a Doctor.

Watch this video to see for yourself:

[NailedLegs]

This might be the funniest thing i have had the displeasure of reading. Lets just quickly piece together this guys plan, hes planning on going to one of the cheap er countries for a surgery that should only be available to the people who can actually afford it, presumably this means hes cheaping out on a surgery that involves breaking one of the most valuable parts of your body. He wants to do TIBIAS of all parts, AND wants to lengthen FAR beyond any surgeons recommended length Hes already considering before even having the surgery to lengthen 1mm a day before even knowing what it will be like. AND to add icing to the cake hes completely unwilling to listen to genuine feedback as hes so hell-bent on his imaginary number he cant even consider that crippled legs that are tall are just as unnatractive as FUNCTIONAL short legs, if not far worse. Im gonna Hope to god that your short. And i mean SHORT short like between 5 foot and 5’4 because i cant possibly see any other height where you would want that much length gained. If you dont give yourself a reasonable height goal, your gonna be a cripple with slightly longer legs. Make the right choice ffs

I agree with everything you stated. Clearly nobody is breaking through to Mocrovich. My hope is that if other prospective patients and lurkers view this thread, they see how ridiculous the plan is and how dangerous it is so that crippling and suffering can be avoided. At this point, it's all about safety and harm reduction.

[Mocrovich]

Yes, there are many fantastic and competent orthopedic surgeons in the world. And Dr. Buldu is not one of them. I asked you a very simple question. What Doctor has performed cosmetic limb lengthening and lengthened their patient by 20cm? And who has lengthened 12cm on a single segment at once? Who?

>I heard you lose approximately 15-20% with Lon

By who? What Doctor said you lose 15-20% of lengthening with LON? Tell me that Doctors name. Go ahead. I'll wait. But I know it'll be forever, because you can't find one.

>so stop acting so smart

I have approached this conversation with facts, logic, and sound reasoning. I tried to explain things to you in a simple to understand way. But your pride and arrogance is getting in the way. I asked you simple questions because I am showing you that your line of thinking is incorrect.

Here's a good study for you to read. Another highly respected and competent surgeon, Dr Rozbruch, was one of the authors.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6031532/ "A Comparison of Femoral Lengthening Methods Favors the Magnetic Internal Lengthening Nail When Compared with Lengthening Over a Nail"

I believe a different part. Dr. Rozbruch, another respected surgeon, had an arm lengthening patient and did the second osteotemy proximal to the first. Obviously, an arm is different than a leg. But the idea is similar. This would be a question I'd ask your surgeon, though. I am not a Doctor.

Watch this video to see for yourself:

Don't you think that doctors would discourage you from doing 12cm in 1 surgery because it'll be cheaper than 2? Of course, I'm not saying every doctor is like that but as a businessman, 2 surgeries would bring me more money than 1. Secondly please don't quote me any research made by the government as I don't trust them at all, they always discourage you from the things beneficial to you.

 I don't listen to the doctor's recommendation but listen to the experience of people actually who went thru the surgery. And I heard many stories of people who were successful in the operation. The 15-20% loss came from a guy who did lon and said it, not a doctor because which doctor would tell you that? You seem to be a pretty innocent and naive lad who listens to experts and anything not from an expert is wrong and bad, you do you I guess.

[Mocrovich]

It's true, many people do more than 8 cm in a segment and it's fking beastly. I do not criticize your thought but it is something that gives us to think about the repercussions that this extension will cause in the future. Just keep your attention on your body and listen to it

That's what I call a good, rational comment who sees both sides of the coin

[Mocrovich]

Paley suggests a maximum of 8 cm femur and tibia for a dual lengthening. However +7 cm in each extremity is already enough and 12 in a single segment as our friend wants is not impossible but your body mechanism will be 5/10 or even less as a guarantee

From what you said I guess if we push femur to 10 and keep tibia at 7 it should do the trick with minimal complications albeit I don’t see the danger of 20cm’s

[Mocrovich]

This might be the funniest thing i have had the displeasure of reading. Lets just quickly piece together this guys plan, hes planning on going to one of the cheap 💩er countries for a surgery that should only be available to the people who can actually afford it, presumably this means hes cheaping out on a surgery that involves breaking one of the most valuable parts of your body. He wants to do TIBIAS of all parts, AND wants to lengthen FAR beyond any surgeons recommended length Hes already considering before even having the surgery to lengthen 1mm a day before even knowing what it will be like. AND to add icing to the cake hes completely unwilling to listen to genuine feedback as hes so hell-bent on his imaginary number he cant even consider that crippled legs that are tall are just as unnatractive as FUNCTIONAL short legs, if not far worse. Im gonna Hope to god that your short. And i mean SHORT short like between 5 foot and 5’4 because i cant possibly see any other height where you would want that much length gained. If you dont give yourself a reasonable height goal, your gonna be a cripple with slightly longer legs. Make the right choice ffs

 “Imaginary number” No, it’s from actual patients who did it, I wouldn’t throw a random number without reading and researching. The fact you put a poop emoji for cheaper countries as if they’re any less than other countries and you’re disrespectful, If that’s what you call genuine feedback, even if it’s knowledgeable information (which it is not) I wouldn’t listen to it just to piss you off.

[our time]

This might be the funniest thing i have had the displeasure of reading. Lets just quickly piece together this guys plan, hes planning on going to one of the cheap 💩er countries for a surgery that should only be available to the people who can actually afford it, presumably this means hes cheaping out on a surgery that involves breaking one of the most valuable parts of your body. He wants to do TIBIAS of all parts, AND wants to lengthen FAR beyond any surgeons recommended length Hes already considering before even having the surgery to lengthen 1mm a day before even knowing what it will be like. AND to add icing to the cake hes completely unwilling to listen to genuine feedback as hes so hell-bent on his imaginary number he cant even consider that crippled legs that are tall are just as unnatractive as FUNCTIONAL short legs, if not far worse. Im gonna Hope to god that your short. And i mean SHORT short like between 5 foot and 5’4 because i cant possibly see any other height where you would want that much length gained. If you dont give yourself a reasonable height goal, your gonna be a cripple with slightly longer legs. Make the right choice ffs

I guarantee he changes his mind as he sobers up from the anesthesia with broken legs. 20cm is pretty much a coinflip on being to walk again. But I'd understand if he was 5ft or had achondroplasia.

[BestOfLuck]

“Imaginary number” No, it’s from actual patients who did it, I wouldn’t throw a random number without reading and researching. The fact you put a poop emoji for cheaper countries as if they’re any less than other countries and you’re disrespectful, If that’s what you call genuine feedback, even if it’s knowledgeable information (which it is not) I wouldn’t listen to it just to piss you off.

Respectfully, your a dumbass. And im not gonna bother showing you any remorse. No i dont agree with third world countries intentionally botching our american/western citizens to get themselves out of poverty. They hate us and would gladly make us crippled for life for a paycheck. That mentality doesnt exist in western countries. Secondly when i was referring to a magic number i wasnt talking about OTHER patiens and what they achieved you goddamn muppet. Im talking about  YOUR height goal that is absolutely fkn  ridiculous and NOT NORMAL. That “magic number” was about you and only you. You say you have “done your research” but i can confidently say you havent done ANY reputable research worth jack  , otherwise your mind wouldnt be so far in the gutter trying to get 12 goddamn cm. Again, like i said before you better be VERY fkn short to want to get that much of a height increase. Anything above 5’5 and your actually talking crazy, its simply not worth that much in one session. The fact that you compare yourself to others height goals is also ludicrous as is because no one will have the same height journey. Everyone is different. What one person can do successfully doesnt mean you can also do it with similar results. And for the record if your really as short as all of us are assuming you are (because your goals are fkn bonkers) then you most likely couldnt even gain 10-12cm because your body LITERALLY couldnt handle it. You simply arent built for that much. Finally i dont think other countries are below ours, BUT it is a fact that in order to be a succesful surgeon in a western country you not only have to actually be smart in the medical field, but you cant fk up a procedure without losing your license. Where in turkey you can botch anyone as a mid lvl surgeon and there goverment wont bat an eye. This is the same country that lost MILLIONS in damages after an earthquake because the turkish goverment was to stubborn and lazy to build PROPER foundations that wouldnt get destroyed. You wouldnt see something like that happen in america. Just saying…