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[LG1816]

I'm currently living the same country in which he performs the surgery and obviously he's one of the cheapest options; but I keep hearing all sorts about the death of this one patient.

As far as I can tell, the person sadly died of fat embolism seven days after surgery, and no one seems to be able to deduce whether it was the fault of the surgeon or just a total fluke -- that incredibly rare scenario we've all heard about that can happen with any surgeon.

I'm wanting to do Tibias. Haven't decided whether LON or internal yet. I'm currently 5'8.6, and would like to gain 5cm (though I'd be interesting in discussing if 6cm is a possibility as that would get me to pretty much 5'11).

I don't know if the fat embolism risk is more a thing with internal femurs -- perhaps my risk would be less doing LON and tibias? But regardless, the one very sad incident is a fly in the ointment for someone I'd otherwise be very confident going with. I've had the initial free consultation and did warm to the doctor.

Can anyone shed any light on anything regarding the above? Many thanks!

[Limbfan2020]

I'm currently living the same country in which he performs the surgery and obviously he's one of the cheapest options; but I keep hearing all sorts about the death of this one patient.

As far as I can tell, the person sadly died of fat embolism seven days after surgery, and no one seems to be able to deduce whether it was the fault of the surgeon or just a total fluke -- that incredibly rare scenario we've all heard about that can happen with any surgeon.

I'm wanting to do Tibias. Haven't decided whether LON or internal yet. I'm currently 5'8.6, and would like to gain 5cm (though I'd be interesting in discussing if 6cm is a possibility as that would get me to pretty much 5'11).

I don't know if the fat embolism risk is more a thing with internal femurs -- perhaps my risk would be less doing LON and tibias? But regardless, the one very sad incident is a fly in the ointment for someone I'd otherwise be very confident going with. I've had the initial free consultation and did warm to the doctor.

Can anyone shed any light on anything regarding the above? Many thanks!

Normally, a good doctor keeps you in the hospital for seven days to monitor your blood oxygen levels. Do you know when this guy was discharged from hospital? Was he a high risk patient, e.g. obese, smoker etc?

Would appreciate any input.

[LG1816]

I have no idea, nobody seems to have much info on the case!

[Limbfan2020]

I have no idea, nobody seems to have much info on the case!

Do you have the balls to ask him those questions?

[DanishViking]

See this thread: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=81316.0

This was a part of my comment and my respons:

As he states, some higher law inforcement agency (don't know the correct term lol) actually checked the situation following up the incident and came to the conclusion that this wasn't his or his teams fault, but simply happened even tho all safety precautions was taken. This has also happened to alot of other surgeons, but many of them just ain't gonna be honest about it, and that is even worse. Espically surgeons in Turkey and India. It's a part of this surgery that your're running a extremely low risk of dying and Dr G even points this out before surgery, not like many other crap surgeons who never openly talks about potiential complications and the risk here of.

Good luck finding a surgeon with more experience, who is more honest and is taking more precautions by doing things in a certain way to avoid complications, for a better more reasonable price than dr Giotikas in Europe. It ain't gonna happen at least for now...

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I have researched the surgery for about a 1 year now, before I made this account, and what I came to discover was the last part of the comment. Whatever you choose avoid going to turkey and India! So many terrible outcomes and cases, it's like gambling with your legs. Don't believe me then read the multiple diarys from turkey on this forum. You can also find them in the links I provided.

[DanishViking]

And regarding LON method it is a lot more risky and unsafe and pretty much every single western doctor doesn't perform this and can't recommend doing it. See this thread as evidence:

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=82502.0

He talks more about about the incident here: - 32:45



So to clarify according to Athens BJR as you can see in the thread I linked to, the chances of you developing this kind of deadly complication is 1/9000 people. Like I mentioned, you also got to remember that this much more likely if your a smoker according to Paley who is the most experienced surgeon in this field. He also had 4 incidents and all of them were smokers...

[LG1816]

Do you have the balls to ask him those questions?

I'll most definitely ask him if I have a full consultation with him.

[LG1816]

See this thread: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=81316.0

This was a part of my comment and my respons:

As he states, some higher law inforcement agency (don't know the correct term lol) actually checked the situation following up the incident and came to the conclusion that this wasn't his or his teams fault, but simply happened even tho all safety precautions was taken. This has also happened to alot of other surgeons, but many of them just ain't gonna be honest about it, and that is even worse. Espically surgeons in Turkey and India. It's a part of this surgery that your're running a extremely low risk of dying and Dr G even points this out before surgery, not like many other crap surgeons who never openly talks about potiential complications and the risk here of.

Good luck finding a surgeon with more experience, who is more honest and is taking more precautions by doing things in a certain way to avoid complications, for a better more reasonable price than dr Giotikas in Europe. It ain't gonna happen at least for now...

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I have researched the surgery for about a 1 year now, before I made this account, and what I came to discover was the last part of the comment. Whatever you choose avoid going to turkey and India! So many terrible outcomes and cases, it's like gambling with your legs. Don't believe me then read the multiple diarys from turkey on this forum. You can also find them in the links I provided.

Good post, thank you. Makes a lot of sense. Thanks for linking the interview below, I'll give that a watch through.

[Sigma]

@DanishViking

Good luck finding a surgeon with more experience, who is more honest and is taking more precautions by doing things in a certain way to avoid complications, for a better more reasonable price than dr Giotikas in Europe. It ain't gonna happen at least for now...

You wrote the same article in different posts...

Good luck finding a surgeon with more experience, who is more honest and is taking more precautions by doing things in a certain way to avoid complications, for a better more reasonable price than dr Giotikas in Europe. It ain't gonna happen at least for now...

Another one of the same.

The best bang for your buck is Dr. Giotikas in Greece. He has decades of experience, does the operations in a certain way to minimize complications and has really affordable prices.

And no I'm not sponsered by him LMAO. I have just done more than a year of research on this topic, and the best option in Europe for the money is him. I'm going to do G-nail Femurs or Stryde presumed it's out again, when I have enough money.

It's very clear and obvious that you don't sponsored it.

I think you should go for Giotikas. He seems to have the most experience compared to the price you pay, and can offer G-nail which is weightbearing, that can make the journey much easier!

But maybe you can do G-nail with Doctor Giotikas? It is also weight bearing!

will go with dr. Giotikas in the future when I have enough money cuz he has decades of experience and have the best price to value ratio.

Espically if you go to cheap surgeons in turkey. If you want the best bang for your buck in EU you should go with Dr giotikas in Greece. He have decades of experience, does thing in a certain way to avoid complications and Doesn't lengthen by using risky methods!

In all your posts you tell people not to go to Turkey and surgeons there. It's a bit like a customer fight. I am a person who hates Turkish butchers, but success rates are much higher than gliokas. Patients with mere butcher dr Halil buldu are x5 times that of patients with giotikas. Also, while there are many companies in Turkey, very few in Greece. If we look at the death and disability rate, even the butcher dr Halil has a higher success rate. Also, there are no deaths. You can have surgery to the doctor you want, and you can create a diary here. But you don't have the authority to tell people which doctor to go to and which method to have surgery. The only example you gave with Turkey is dr Halil buldu diaries in this forum or those who went to butchers like Dr Yuksel Yurttas diaries and became disabled. There are a lot of people on this forum who don't get crippled by not posting a diary. These are not proofs. We are also sorry that people who died after surgery to dr giotikas could not create a diary. Also what you said about the lon method makes me laugh. You write things like don't be a lon to people and you don't even have proof. Your only proof is 1-2 diaries or theses. G-nail / precice2 whatever can't carry 100% weight. Most people are afraid that it will break when weight, and it means wasting your money. Also, the risk of bone infection is the same with lon. (I'm not talking about surface and pin root infections) So the fact that the lon method is 0.6 more risky doesn't change anything. Also, if giotikas was doing lon, you would defend it. He just wants to make more money, that's all. Also, don't generalize.  "All western surgeons say so" "not all western surgeons recommend lon" How many western surgeons do you know? How many of them don't recommend lon? How many thousands of doctors in Europe and how many of them do not recommend lon? 5 of them? All you're doing is generalizing and giving people false information. You are poisoning people with false information. I understand you want to advertise your doctor giotikas or or you asked him to give you a discount on the surgery but false information is very dangerous. Do not do this. Don't talk about things you don't know.

Doctors and companies to avoid
1- Athensbjr - Giotikas
2- Livelifetaller - Halil buldu - Sedat
3- Wannabetaller - Yunus
4- Yuksel Yurttas
5- Limblengthening-center - Serkan Gurcan
6- Lengthening Turkey - Fatih arslanoglu
7- AFA - Mustafa uysal
8- Stay away from countries like egypt - iran - india - greece - armenia - russia

[DanishViking]

I can't take you seriously with the lies you shell out. Infection risk is much much higher with LON and precice 2 isn't weight bearing but will not break easily. Give me some evidence or sources? You can't cuz pretty much all you wrote were lies and conspiracy theories... There is more bad surgeons in turkey and india than good, so you might as well just skip the 2 countries to be safe... And if I was sponsered by Dr Giotikas, I wouldn't even be on this forum lol. And no I don't see Dr G as a god like paley basically is cuz he is the guy with the most experience in the world doing this. But he is in my opinion the best value experienced doctor for the money in Europe.

[Roman271]

@DanishViking You wrote the same article in different posts...Another one of the same.It's very clear and obvious that you don't sponsored it.In all your posts you tell people not to go to Turkey and surgeons there. It's a bit like a customer fight. I am a person who hates Turkish butchers, but success rates are much higher than gliokas. Patients with mere butcher dr Halil buldu are x5 times that of patients with giotikas. Also, while there are many companies in Turkey, very few in Greece. If we look at the death and disability rate, even the butcher dr Halil has a higher success rate. Also, there are no deaths. You can have surgery to the doctor you want, and you can create a diary here. But you don't have the authority to tell people which doctor to go to and which method to have surgery. The only example you gave with Turkey is dr Halil buldu diaries in this forum or those who went to butchers like Dr Yuksel Yurttas diaries and became disabled. There are a lot of people on this forum who don't get crippled by not posting a diary. These are not proofs. We are also sorry that people who died after surgery to dr giotikas could not create a diary. Also what you said about the lon method makes me laugh. You write things like don't be a lon to people and you don't even have proof. Your only proof is 1-2 diaries or theses. G-nail / precice2 whatever can't carry 100% weight. Most people are afraid that it will break when weight, and it means wasting your money. Also, the risk of bone infection is the same with lon. (I'm not talking about surface and pin root infections) So the fact that the lon method is 0.6 more risky doesn't change anything. Also, if giotikas was doing lon, you would defend it. He just wants to make more money, that's all. Also, don't generalize.  "All western surgeons say so" "not all western surgeons recommend lon" How many western surgeons do you know? How many of them don't recommend lon? How many thousands of doctors in Europe and how many of them do not recommend lon? 5 of them? All you're doing is generalizing and giving people false information. You are poisoning people with false information. I understand you want to advertise your doctor giotikas or or you asked him to give you a discount on the surgery but false information is very dangerous. Do not do this. Don't talk about things you don't know.

Doctors and companies to avoid
1- Athensbjr - Giotikas
2- Livelifetaller - Halil buldu - Sedat
3- Wannabetaller - Yunus
4- Yuksel Yurttas
5- Limblengthening-center - Serkan Gurcan
6- Lengthening Turkey - Fatih arslanoglu
7- AFA - Mustafa uysal
8- Stay away from countries like egypt - iran - india - greece - armenia - russia

When you say stay away from all these countries,you mean that there are more bad doctors than good ones or do you suggest completely against doing ll from there?

I'm planning to go with Dr.Parihar in the future....what do you think about him?

[DanishViking]

Parihar is the only good doctor in India, since he has trained with parley, who is the most experienced surgeon in the world in this field. The others not naming any are known pretty much only as butchers according to paley and many other members on this forum.

[Limbfan2020]

As far as I can tell, the person sadly died of fat embolism seven days after surgery, and no one seems to be able to deduce whether it was the fault of the surgeon or just a total fluke -- that incredibly rare scenario we've all heard about that can happen with any surgeon.

One thread contains the info that he was fasting during the procedure. Was this patient a Muslim, who was fasting because of Ramadan? Muslims usually deny taking any oral medications during this time.

[Antonio111111]

Op, value your health. Don't go to giotikas. He isn't experienced.

[Hatch]

Op, value your health. Don't go to giotikas. He isn't experienced.

Giotikas is almost most experienced active cosmetic LL doctor in Europe (maybe just after notorius Guichet). He has been doing cosmetic LL surgeries already what 10 years?

With Giotikas you are in safe hands.

[DanishViking]

Antonio. You clearly no nothing about leg lengthening since you asked on a different forum if the precice nail can weight bear, so please don't talk. Give som value arguments, facts and statistics instead of your personal unlogical opinion.

[Antonio111111]

Giotikas is almost most experienced active cosmetic LL doctor in Europe (maybe just after notorius Guichet). He has been doing cosmetic LL surgeries already what 10 years?

With Giotikas you are in safe hands.

i respectfully disagree. See below.

Antonio. You clearly no nothing about leg lengthening since you asked on a different forum if the precice nail can weight bear, so please don't talk. Give som value arguments, facts and statistics instead of your personal unlogical opinion.

Yes i asked about the weight the nail can bear. Because I was clarifying something from Paleys document itself. Dont mix the two mate.

You want facts and logic? Giotikas diaries show many with misaligned bones. Top docs would argue that alignment is very important eg donghoon, paley etc. Misaligned bones put stress on joints. Plus one of giotikas patient died.

If this was a small ear surgery, i'd pay the lower fees, take the risk and go to some cheaper doctor. The worst case isn't that bad.

But you are forgetting that THIS is a big surgery and death can happen. I personally WAS going to go with giotikas until i saw the misaligned bones and then a death. That was the end point for me. You have to see facts objectively and then form your own opinion around it. I'm pretty sure if the same guy went to Paley, he'd be alive right now. How can i say that? look at the huge number of surgeries Paley has done and not a single death? Think.

Remember the dead cant speak up against any mistake that the doctor MIGHT have done. So it's survival bias.

LG1816, I personally would not send myself nor my family to go to giotikas. He is NOT that experienced as many other doctors. Let the results in mis-alignment/death speak for itself.

If you or anyone wants to bear the risk, up to you. I gave my personal opinion. Please dont let the cheap price convince you to overlook facts.

If you go with him, and come out healthy, great, I am happy for you.

[DanishViking]

"Giotikas diaries show many with misaligned bones" - Again no evidence or sources. Send me some links. Multiple other surgeons throughout the EU according to different people here on this forum as also have at least 1 death... Whatever you won't listen to logic and facts, but just one or two people had a bad experience. And you still deny that Precice 2 isn't weight bearing. This has to be a joke lol. Also you literally the only one on this forum caring about ITB release more than you should...

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3922.0

[HeightGain]

One diary that had TSFs think it was Z something his name was, he had surgery with Giotikas and he was misaligned

[DanishViking]

Please give me a source.

[informationispower]

Please give me a source.

There is actually a diary here where giotokas didnt do the technique correctly

[DanishViking]

Then please send it to me got dammit LOL

[DanishViking]

Besides that's 1 negative experience vs 100 good experiences. Every surgeon has had at least a couple of patients who had some kind of complications. It's impossible to avoid 100%. You guys talk like 50% of his patients have died or had serious complications. This is not the case at all.

[thankscience]

I have never seen a diary on this forum where Dr Giotikas had a bone misalignment.

[DanishViking]

Yeah I agree it seems fake when none of them can provide a source or link. I mean the world is also flat lmao

[informationispower]

Then please send it to me got dammit LOL

The name of the user was zakika. It is still somwhere in the forums

[Zib]

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9073.155

It is not fake, there was also another member who had bone misalignment.
Please do research on the surgeon before doing this surgery. I really
Wanted to go with him but after a Death case, 2 people who had bone misalignment with him that I know and him allowing patients lengthening +8cm on femur I did reconsider my choices.

[Hatch]

Giotikas is probably one of the top ten cosmetic ll doctors in the world right now. Will he be best of the best one day? Only time will tell.

[thankscience]

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9073.155

It is not fake, there was also another member who had bone misalignment.
Please do research on the surgeon before doing this surgery. I really
Wanted to go with him but after a Death case, 2 people who had bone misalignment with him that I know and him allowing patients lengthening +8cm on femur I did reconsider my choices.

Thank you. I realise now I have read this diary already. He did external fixators on tibias which already has a high risk of misalignment. The good thing is the doctor corrected it.

I thought we were talking about femurs in which case I haven't seen any non-unions on this forum with Giotikas.

[DanishViking]

Thanks for the link. And agree with the comment above this one. Also he has chosen to lengthen those who got over 8+ cm, because it was safe for these VERY VERY few lucky individuals, who were very flexible, tall starting height etc... Definitly not on everyone wishing for it, like som huge clinic in turkey...

[Body Builder]

Giotikas for his price is easily the best choice in EU right now. And by far.
Even without tskimg in mind the price he is a much better choice compared to butchers like Guichet or inexperienced apprentices who used to do hair transplants and suddenly are experts on LL with tenths of diaries here from nowhere.