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[Confidence]

Dude what is that obsession with clubs? How often do you go to clubs? I'm willing to bet the number of people on this forum who go once a week is in the single digits. And even in clubs, you think your behavior doesn't matter? Or how well you're dressed / groomed? Again, height is very (!!!) important, but saying that confidence doesn't have any impact on attraction is beyond ridiculous.

And if that's not enough, I'm pretty sure most people meet today through dating apps, not clubs. Your height is important, but it's also "just" a number on a screen. You still have a lot of work to do.

Confidence can be derived from height, though.  You bet your ass you'd get a self-esteem boost if a random girl makes a move on you in a dark crowded club where the only thing she go off of from you is your appearance.  I get that personality matters but looks (face,height,body) and confidence are not mutually exclusive.  You're not really doing yourself a disservice by becoming taller than what you were before.  Essentially, you're just increasing your overall attractiveness which is part of the "entire package" that people always talk about when it comes to attraction.

[p00293]

These dogs don't get it and never will.

Say how 5ft 9 to 6ft is a boost and some hound is like "if you can't get a girl at 5ft 9 you won't be slaying at 6ft".

Of course your face matters at any height you utter cretins. But the way to judge the value of a surgery (or anything) is KEEPING ALL OTHER VARIABLES THE SAME.

There is no 5ft 9 man on Earth that wouldn't receive a boost from being 6ft. His potential dating pool widens. That goes no matter how much success or lack thereof he had at his former 5ft 9 height. Barking about face,  confidence, money, game, or whatever else fking misses the point: no matter how much or little of that you have, the version of you that is 6ft will do better than the version of you at 5ft 9.

[hippo60]

Confidence can be derived from height, though.  You bet your ass you'd get a self-esteem boost if a random girl makes a move on you in a dark crowded club where the only thing she go off of from you is your appearance.  I get that personality matters but looks (face,height,body) and confidence are not mutually exclusive.  You're not really doing yourself a disservice by becoming taller than what you were before.  Essentially, you're just increasing your overall attractiveness which is part of the "entire package" that people always talk about when it comes to attraction.

There is no 5ft 9 man on Earth that wouldn't receive a boost from being 6ft. His potential dating pool widens. That goes no matter how much success or lack thereof he had at his former 5ft 9 height. Barking about face,  confidence, money, game, or whatever else fking misses the point: no matter how much or little of that you have, the version of you that is 6ft will do better than the version of you at 5ft 9.

I'm quoting both of you because my answer is essentially the same. Do I think being taller makes someone more attractive? 100% yes. Do I think that's true for a 5'9" guy going to 6ft? 100%. Do I think he's going to do better with women because of that? To a degree, yes. But these questions are easy, the real (and fairly hard to answer) question is - how much better is he going to do? I'm willing to bet the answer is a lot lower than you'd like to believe.

And then of course, in order to consider whether something is worth it, we have to consider the costs (and potential downside/issues) as well. There are huge financial, physical, and emotional costs to LL. Not to mention a huge time commitment as well.

So the question is, does that insane cost outweighs the increased attractiveness (and self confidence, and some other things you're likely to gain)? Unlike some people here, I believe the answer is very personal, and impossible for others to answer for you.

p00293, being overly obsessed with height and dating, will lead you to believe it's 100% worth it for everyone at 5'9". For some reason, he made the decision that the cut off is 5'10", but who knows maybe next week he'll think the cut off it actually 6ft.

There is a reason why the average height of people who do LL is BELOW AVERAGE. Average isn't bad, most people are around average height. If you want to improve your dating life, and you're average height - you can most likely find things other than LL that can help you, at a fraction of the cost. While being taller will make you more attractive, it's very unlikely that your height is setting you back.

[Confidence]

I'm quoting both of you because my answer is essentially the same. Do I think being taller makes someone more attractive? 100% yes. Do I think that's true for a 5'9" guy going to 6ft? 100%. Do I think he's going to do better with women because of that? To a degree, yes. But these questions are easy, the real (and fairly hard to answer) question is - how much better is he going to do? I'm willing to bet the answer is a lot lower than you'd like to believe.

And then of course, in order to consider whether something is worth it, we have to consider the costs (and potential downside/issues) as well. There are huge financial, physical, and emotional costs to LL. Not to mention a huge time commitment as well.

So the question is, does that insane cost outweighs the increased attractiveness (and self confidence, and some other things you're likely to gain)? Unlike some people here, I believe the answer is very personal, and impossible for others to answer for you.

p00293, being overly obsessed with height and dating, will lead you to believe it's 100% worth it for everyone at 5'9". For some reason, he made the decision that the cut off is 5'10", but who knows maybe next week he'll think the cut off it actually 6ft.

There is a reason why the average height of people who do LL is BELOW AVERAGE. Average isn't bad, most people are around average height. If you want to improve your dating life, and you're average height - you can most likely find things other than LL that can help you, at a fraction of the cost. While being taller will make you more attractive, it's very unlikely that your height is setting you back.

Yeah, the problem here is we're all arguing about the cost to benefit ratio of LL when that decision is completely subjective and personal.  It's my personal opinion to believe that it's still worth it at 5'9 because the benefits:

• better chance at alleviating height dysphoria induced from social interactions forever
• improved overall attractiveness
• more respect from other men
• more "everyday confidence" from the way people subconsciously act towards you
• more respect in a corporate setting
• less anxiety about future generations becoming much taller than you even after height shrinkage due to old age
• less chance of height dysphoria when travelling to places where people are typically taller than where you're normally from (netherlands)

completely outweigh all the costs of getting it done.  I don't know about the rest of you but I'd happily invest the time in my life grinding out the financial costs and risking potential complications if it means I could have all those benefits for the rest of my life.

[p00293]

I'm quoting both of you because my answer is essentially the same. Do I think being taller makes someone more attractive? 100% yes. Do I think that's true for a 5'9" guy going to 6ft? 100%. Do I think he's going to do better with women because of that? To a degree, yes. But these questions are easy, the real (and fairly hard to answer) question is - how much better is he going to do? I'm willing to bet the answer is a lot lower than you'd like to believe.

And then of course, in order to consider whether something is worth it, we have to consider the costs (and potential downside/issues) as well. There are huge financial, physical, and emotional costs to LL. Not to mention a huge time commitment as well.

So the question is, does that insane cost outweighs the increased attractiveness (and self confidence, and some other things you're likely to gain)? Unlike some people here, I believe the answer is very personal, and impossible for others to answer for you.

p00293, being overly obsessed with height and dating, will lead you to believe it's 100% worth it for everyone at 5'9". For some reason, he made the decision that the cut off is 5'10", but who knows maybe next week he'll think the cut off it actually 6ft.

There is a reason why the average height of people who do LL is BELOW AVERAGE. Average isn't bad, most people are around average height. If you want to improve your dating life, and you're average height - you can most likely find things other than LL that can help you, at a fraction of the cost. While being taller will make you more attractive, it's very unlikely that your height is setting you back.

You don't know what I'd "like to believe", but the evidence is pretty clear from studies on the matter that being taller will increase your options pretty much linearly from 5ft 6 to 5ft 10, then a decent amount from 5ft 10 to 6ft, and then a negligible small amount after that, and finally starts harming you at around 6ft 6. There was another study that saud women are happiest when their partner is 21cm taller than themselves - so taking the average height of young women in 2023, thatd be around 186-188cm in Europe, around 182cm in Asia, and about the same 182 in South America. Which is why 5ft 10 (and gaining 3 inches to be 6ft 1) is what I deem the cut off to be. It's based on science, and is a pleasing height to the overall majority of women no matter where in the world you are without getting into diminishing returns territory.

Average isn't bad but by definition it isn't good either. Going from short to average is better than going from average to tall but going from average to tall is still going to be worth it.

There's no reason one cannot do LL and do these "other things that will help you" too. If you've got a terrible jawline or you're balding, absolutely they should be fixed with surgery too, but this isn't an either/or thing, you should indeed "fix" them all to give yourself the best chances. If you don't have the money to do everything you need at once, then obviously pick the most important ones and come back to the others later.

[hippo60]

You don't know what I'd "like to believe", but the evidence is pretty clear from studies on the matter that being taller will increase your options pretty much linearly from 5ft 6 to 5ft 10, then a decent amount from 5ft 10 to 6ft, and then a negligible small amount after that, and finally starts harming you at around 6ft 6. There was another study that saud women are happiest when their partner is 21cm taller than themselves - so taking the average height of young women in 2023, thatd be around 186-188cm in Europe, around 182cm in Asia, and about the same 182 in South America. Which is why 5ft 10 (and gaining 3 inches to be 6ft 1) is what I deem the cut off to be. It's based on science, and is a pleasing height to the overall majority of women no matter where in the world you are without getting into diminishing returns territory.

Average isn't bad but by definition it isn't good either. Going from short to average is better than going from average to tall but going from average to tall is still going to be worth it.

There's no reason one cannot do LL and do these "other things that will help you" too. If you've got a terrible jawline or you're balding, absolutely they should be fixed with surgery too, but this isn't an either/or thing, you should indeed "fix" them all to give yourself the best chances. If you don't have the money to do everything you need at once, then obviously pick the most important ones and come back to the others later.

You literally just said it's linearly up to 5'10" but only decent amount beyond (which makes total sense to me), yet you think someone at 5'10" needs to do LL. For me the conclusion is that 5'7" is the "clear cut off", but at 5'8"-5'10" it's beneficial but definitely not as clear.

Women are also happiest when they can go shopping all the time and their partner makes $500k annually. So if you don't - you're doomed? Of course not. Of course they prefer a taller guy, but they're not going to reject someone because he's average height. Sure, some will do, just like some will only date someone over 6'2". Do you really need to go and break your legs for these women? I think the answer is no, but you're welcome to think differently.

I'm bald, and I don't want to fix it with a surgery. I'm perfectly fine with it, and perfectly ok that some women might not like me because of that. Fine. Most guys who are average height think it's insane to break your legs to get taller. There is a reason why so many of you are ashamed to tell anyone about LL. It seems unfathomable for most people, because they don't view height the way most of us do.

completely outweigh all the costs of getting it done.  I don't know about the rest of you but I'd happily invest the time in my life grinding out the financial costs and risking potential complications if it means I could have all those benefits for the rest of my life.

And that's fine! But you're assuming that someone has height dysphoria to begin with. I know it sounds strange because we're deep in our echo chambers here, but MOST PEOPLE DO NOT SUFFER from height dysphoria anywhere near us. Do they sometimes think about their height? Maybe. Do they wish they were slightly taller? You bet. Would they want to break their legs and go through all of that? Hell no.

[p00293]

You literally just said it's linearly up to 5'10" but only decent amount beyond (which makes total sense to me), yet you think someone at 5'10" needs to do LL. For me the conclusion is that 5'7" is the "clear cut off", but at 5'8"-5'10" it's beneficial but definitely not as clear.

Women are also happiest when they can go shopping all the time and their partner makes $500k annually. So if you don't - you're doomed? Of course not. Of course they prefer a taller guy, but they're not going to reject someone because he's average height. Sure, some will do, just like some will only date someone over 6'2". Do you really need to go and break your legs for these women? I think the answer is no, but you're welcome to think differently.

I'm bald, and I don't want to fix it with a surgery. I'm perfectly fine with it, and perfectly ok that some women might not like me because of that. Fine. Most guys who are average height think it's insane to break your legs to get taller. There is a reason why so many of you are ashamed to tell anyone about LL. It seems unfathomable for most people, because they don't view height the way most of us do.
And that's fine! But you're assuming that someone has height dysphoria to begin with. I know it sounds strange because we're deep in our echo chambers here, but MOST PEOPLE DO NOT SUFFER from height dysphoria anywhere near us. Do they sometimes think about their height? Maybe. Do they wish they were slightly taller? You bet. Would they want to break their legs and go through all of that? Hell no.

Yes a "decent" amount WHICH IS STILL VERY MUCH WORTH HAVING.  Its only when we start getting into small gains that I'd say it's not worth it - so basically anything taking you past 6ft 1 is a bit of a waste of time.

Another "you're doomed?" strawman I won't be responding to.

Sorry you joined the Norwood cemetery bro. No matter what copers try to tell you about muh Jason Statham and the Rock, the vast majority of young women prefer guys with hair. It's actually an even stronger preference than for height. You can choose not to care, or tell yourself you don't care, but these are the facts.

The only reason I'm "ashamed" to tell others is because women prefer to fk you because they believe you have good genes, so it simply wouldn't be to my advantage to let them know otherwise.

Average men suffer a hit to their dating life from being average, not tall. I don't accept its a "dysphoria" to acknowledge the very real advantages being tall gives in society, and plays into the hands of those cucks on reddit who would tell you to JUST GET THERAPY BRO. Before you bang on with another strawman, no I didn't say you can't have a good sex life at average height (or even if you're short, just that it'll be much harder than if you were tall).

[hippo60]

Sorry you joined the Norwood cemetery bro. No matter what copers try to tell you about muh Jason Statham and the Rock, the vast majority of young women prefer guys with hair. It's actually an even stronger preference than for height. You can choose not to care, or tell yourself you don't care, but these are the facts.

The only reason I'm "ashamed" to tell others is because women prefer to fk you because they believe you have good genes, so it simply wouldn't be to my advantage to let them know otherwise.

No woman will want to touch you with a ten-foot pole, regardless of your height. You're insufferable, and an intellectual moron. I'm done.

[p00293]

No woman will want to touch you with a ten-foot pole, regardless of your height. You're insufferable, and an intellectual moron. I'm done.

Lol, you're bald bro.

[Kanye Western]

I don’t know why this is turning into such an augmentable post.

OP, I’m assuming you’re going to be doing precice 2.2? Good luck thinking this will be worth it just to say you’re 6’0”. You have no idea how hard this is going to be, you’ll be disabled for a long time if you intend to break 6 bones.

Ultimately, you do you. If I was 5’9 I’d never do this surgery let alone consider doing it.

Good luck on your final decision.

[BlueThunder]

N.o of women that would accept dating a guy that's 5'10 is 86% (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236670565_The_height_of_choosiness_Mutual_mate_choice_for_stature_results_in_suboptimal_pair_formation_for_both_sxxes). That's also considering that in their head it's the self-reported version of 5'9 (i.e. in their head 5'10 to them is what men that claim to be 5'10 are). I would say that it's actually 5'9 since most guys lie about their height by 1 inch.

That number goes up to 98% at 6'0, which seems like a lot. But the data also suggests it goes down to 91% at 6'2 and to 79% at 6'3. I think this would go against what you think. Even if we assumed that these statistics were based on reality (men not lying about their height) a guy that's 5'9 would have the same dating pool as a guy that's 6'4 (66 vs 68%). That's negligible.

Girls don't care about guys being tall. It's a bonus for some people for sure, but people aren't going to sh!t on you for not being tall. Girls just don't like guys that are short (it really starts getting bad below 5'8 and honestly terrible below 5'5).

[informationispower]

N.o of women that would accept dating a guy that's 5'10 is 86% (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236670565_The_height_of_choosiness_Mutual_mate_choice_for_stature_results_in_suboptimal_pair_formation_for_both_sxxes). That's also considering that in their head it's the self-reported version of 5'9 (i.e. in their head 5'10 to them is what men that claim to be 5'10 are). I would say that it's actually 5'9 since most guys lie about their height by 1 inch.

That number goes up to 98% at 6'0, which seems like a lot. But the data also suggests it goes down to 91% at 6'2 and to 79% at 6'3. I think this would go against what you think. Even if we assumed that these statistics were based on reality (men not lying about their height) a guy that's 5'9 would have the same dating pool as a guy that's 6'4 (66 vs 68%). That's negligible.

Girls don't care about guys being tall. It's a bonus for some people for sure, but people aren't going to sh!t on you for not being tall. Girls just don't like guys that are short (it really starts getting bad below 5'8 and honestly terrible below 5'5).

That is on fact the study on which the incel jeight graph is based upon. The jump from 5'9 to 5'10 is massive ( 22%) and also the jump from 5'7 to 5'8 (35% vs 55%).

[p00293]

N.o of women that would be acceptable dating a guy that's 5'10 is 86% (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236670565_The_height_of_choosiness_Mutual_mate_choice_for_stature_results_in_suboptimal_pair_formation_for_both_sxxes). That's also considering that in their head it's the self-reported version of 5'9 (i.e. in their head 5'10 to them is what men that claim to be 5'10 are). I would say that it's actually 5'9 since most guys lie about their height by 1 inch.

That number goes up to 98% at 6'0, which seems like a lot. But the data also suggests it goes down to 91% at 6'2 and to 79% at 6'3. I think this would go against what you think. Even if we assumed that these statistics were based on reality (men not lying about their height) a guy that's 5'9 would have the same dating pool as a guy that's 6'4 (66 vs 68%). That's negligible.

Girls don't care about guys being tall. It's a bonus for some people for sure, but people aren't going to   on you for not being tall. Girls just don't like guys that are short (it really starts getting bad below 5'8 and honestly terrible below 5'5).

Doesn't say that at all so don't act like it does: it's intellectually dishonest. From the same link you just provided: "We show that sxxual conflict at the level of preferences is translated into choice: women were most likely to choose a speed-dater 25 cm taller than themselves, whereas men were most likely to choose women only 7 cm shorter than themselves. As a consequence, matches were most likely at an intermediate height difference (19 cm) that differed significantly from the preferred height difference of both sxxes."

Your own study shows that 6ft is the ideal height where diminishing returns kick in after, therefore getting LL from 5ft 9 to 6ft is a decent boost to your sxxual market value. Anyone telling you 5ft 9 is the perfect height for women is simply trying to sabotage you. It's actually EXACTLY what I've been saying - the cut off to benefit significantly from LL is around 5ft 10 to 6ft 1. Going from 5ft 11 to 6ft 2 isn't really justifiable from a cost-benefit perspective, and getting LL at 6ft+ has no real benefit at all.

The bottom line is, 5ft 9 is not a 'good height', it's a disadvantage, no two ways about it.

[Sigma]

Doesn't say that at all so don't act like it does: it's intellectually dishonest. From the same link you just provided: "We show that sxxual conflict at the level of preferences is translated into choice: women were most likely to choose a speed-dater 25 cm taller than themselves, whereas men were most likely to choose women only 7 cm shorter than themselves. As a consequence, matches were most likely at an intermediate height difference (19 cm) that differed significantly from the preferred height difference of both sxxes."

Your own study shows that 6ft is the ideal height where diminishing returns kick in after, therefore getting LL from 5ft 9 to 6ft is a decent boost to your sxxual market value. Anyone telling you 5ft 9 is the perfect height for women is simply trying to sabotage you. It's actually EXACTLY what I've been saying - the cut off to benefit significantly from LL is around 5ft 10 to 6ft 1. Going from 5ft 11 to 6ft 2 isn't really justifiable from a cost-benefit perspective, and getting LL at 6ft+ has no real benefit at all.

The bottom line is, 5ft 9 is not a 'good height', it's a disadvantage, no two ways about it.

Facts. +1

[ballsackoffury123]

I literally lived as a 5’9 male for the last 11 years and can tell you being in the 45th percentile of men in America is NOT a great height. Is it better than 5’6?  Hell to the fking yes it is. But you still get indirectly called a “short king”. When I go out with girl friends they’re always like “oohhh find me a tall guy here, anyone that’s 6 ft”. And it’s not just one or two girls, they all want the best.  Just like how is guys wants the hot and fit chicks, they want attractive and tall and fit guys.

[BlueThunder]

Yeah, the "ideal" not the minimum. Those percentage are what women would ACCEPT not what they would find ideal. Sure, 5'9 is going to be neutral for a lot of people. So what? At least those people would give guys at that height a chance. At that point, if you meet the minimum cut off, you're better off improving your looks in other ways or pursuing other cosmetic surgeries. It's a better trade off than doing LL. Imo, going from a 5 --> 7 facially at 5'9 will yield much better returns that staying at a 5 and being 6'0. Plenty of girls simp for guys at average height because they're very attractive facially.

Girls don't drool over anyone that's tall. Go look at what people 6'0+ have to say. You still have to be attractive and socially competent if you want A LOT of attention. Being 6'3 doesn't automatically mean you drown in p*ssy. Having an attractive face makes you attractive to a lot of people, but not if you're below someone's minimum height threshold (which for a lot of people is somewhere btwn 5'8-5'10).

[Confidence]

Yeah, the "ideal" not the minimum. Those percentage are what women would ACCEPT not what they would find ideal. Sure, 5'9 is going to be neutral for a lot of people. So what? At least those people would give guys at that height a chance. At that point, if you meet the minimum cut off, you're better off improving your looks in other ways or pursuing other cosmetic surgeries. It's a better trade off than doing LL. Imo, going from a 5 --> 7 facially at 5'9 will yield much better returns that staying at a 5 and being 6'0. Plenty of girls simp for guys at average height because they're very attractive facially.

Girls don't drool over anyone that's tall. Go look at what people 6'0+ have to say. You still have to be attractive and socially competent if you want A LOT of attention. Being 6'3 doesn't automatically mean you drown in p*ssy. Having an attractive face makes you attractive to a lot of people, but not if you're below someone's minimum height threshold (which for a lot of people is somewhere btwn 5'8-5'10).

I've said it before and I'll say it again: face and height are not mutually exclusive.  If I was a 3/10 facially, why would I want to be a 5/10 over a 7/10?  That's the same thing with height.  If you're 5'9 why would you want to settle for just average?  That's like me saying I'll get a nice fade, put on a chain, some rings, a nice pair of air forces, but I'll stay fat instead of cutting down to 10% bodyfat for a nice jawline and getting ripped asf since I'm already "presentable" enough to get at least some girls. 

Obviously, height is more complicated because there's a bigger grey area of people who won't be willing to get LL done since it's hard asf to get 70-120k for surgery and brutal to think about complications.  If you're one of those people who are just fine for settling for average height, thats okay, you do you.  But, I and many others are ambitious and will risk more trying to do the best we can and there's literally nothing wrong with that.

[ballsackoffury123]

^ +1 to your concept. Some people just dumb af and needs to get off this forum if they don’t want CLL. Nothing wrong with that, but if you think adding 3.15 inches to your height as a male (unless ur 6’1 already) won’t help you in life in general, you tripping.
Now do you NEED it, absolutely not. You’ll love a beautiful life as a 5,9 male, but I can absolutely gaurantee you’ll love an even better one as a 6 feet male

[p00293]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: face and height are not mutually exclusive.  If I was a 3/10 facially, why would I want to be a 5/10 over a 7/10?  That's the same thing with height.  If you're 5'9 why would you want to settle for just average?  That's like me saying I'll get a nice fade, put on a chain, some rings, a nice pair of air forces, but I'll stay fat instead of cutting down to 10% bodyfat for a nice jawline and getting ripped asf since I'm already "presentable" enough to get at least some girls. 

Obviously, height is more complicated because there's a bigger grey area of people who won't be willing to get LL done since it's hard asf to get 70-120k for surgery and brutal to think about complications.  If you're one of those people who are just fine for settling for average height, thats okay, you do you.  But, I and many others are ambitious and will risk more trying to do the best we can and there's literally nothing wrong with that.

They just don't get it. People here unironically think "height alone won't solve all your problems" is some sort of magic argument, its absolutely retarded.

Both height and face matter. If you can improve one of them you should, it's really as simple as that. It's not like being taller and being more handsome is mutually exclusive. Do both if possible.

[BlueThunder]

It's not worth the 3 inches because it's only going to be a small boost in terms of your overall attractiveness. In that scenario it's only worth it if you have a strong desire to be tall. If it was as easy as doing a hair transplant I would undoubtedly agree. But you have to sacrifice at least 50-60k and a year of mobility along with all the work to that comes along with LL. That just doesn't make sense. You're better off investing that in an actual mortgage or in other parts of your life. Like I said earlier, other plastic surgeries would yield the same if not more returns when it comes to attractiveness for a much lesser cost + easier recover time.

There are no disadvantages to being 5'9/5'10. If you think so you're chronically online and need to interact with the real world. A few viral tik toks on height aren't representative of the entire female population. Are there benefits to being tall? Sure. Are you penalized for being in the 50th percentile of height? Absolutely not, and to think that only people that are legitimately 6'0+ get laid often is completely asinine, especially considering that not every guy that's 6'0+ is attractive and is even into doing that. There are guys that are 6'0+ on incel forums too.

If you're filthy rich or if you cannot stand being average height, prob worth. If not, don't think so. FYI, I am doing this next year, but it's because I'm short and my height bothers me a lot.

[ballsackoffury123]

It's not worth the 3 inches because it's only going to be a small boost in terms of your overall attractiveness. In that scenario it's only worth it if you have a strong desire to be tall. If it was as easy as doing a hair transplant I would undoubtedly agree. But you have to sacrifice at least 50-60k and a year of mobility along with all the work to that comes along with LL. That just doesn't make sense. You're better off investing that in an actual mortgage or in other parts of your life. Like I said earlier, other plastic surgeries would yield the same if not more returns when it comes to attractiveness for a much lesser cost + easier recover time.

There are no disadvantages to being 5'9/5'10. If you think so you're chronically online and need to interact with the real world. A few viral tik toks on height aren't representative of the entire female population. Are there benefits to being tall? Sure. Are you penalized for being in the 50th percentile of height? Absolutely not, and to think that only people that are legitimately 6'0+ get laid often is completely asinine, especially considering that not every guy that's 6'0+ is attractive and is even into doing that. There are guys that are 6'0+ on incel forums too.

If you're filthy rich or if you cannot stand being average height, prob worth. If not, don't think so. FYI, I am doing this next year, but it's because I'm short and my height bothers me a lot.

You're such a useless hypocrite. "oh yeah you shouldnt do it but I'm going to do it next year". Money is relative, you dont have to be filthy rich to afford this surgery. Are you penalized for being in the 5th percentile? you're going from the 5th percentile to the 50th percentile, just like how the 50th percentile is going to the 90th. It's a great surgery for anyone who wants to gain 3 inches and has the heart to go through a long recovery journey. As long as they dont do some dumb   like go to Turkey and get LON surgery, which no one should do.

[Confidence]

It's not worth the 3 inches because it's only going to be a small boost in terms of your overall attractiveness. In that scenario it's only worth it if you have a strong desire to be tall. If it was as easy as doing a hair transplant I would undoubtedly agree. But you have to sacrifice at least 50-60k and a year of mobility along with all the work to that comes along with LL. That just doesn't make sense. You're better off investing that in an actual mortgage or in other parts of your life. Like I said earlier, other plastic surgeries would yield the same if not more returns when it comes to attractiveness for a much lesser cost + easier recover time.

There are no disadvantages to being 5'9/5'10. If you think so you're chronically online and need to interact with the real world. A few viral tik toks on height aren't representative of the entire female population. Are there benefits to being tall? Sure. Are you penalized for being in the 50th percentile of height? Absolutely not, and to think that only people that are legitimately 6'0+ get laid often is completely asinine, especially considering that not every guy that's 6'0+ is attractive and is even into doing that. There are guys that are 6'0+ on incel forums too.

If you're filthy rich or if you cannot stand being average height, prob worth. If not, don't think so. FYI, I am doing this next year, but it's because I'm short and my height bothers me a lot.

Bro, sounds to me like you just want to gatekeep the surgery from people who are around average height so that you "don't get left behind".  You have no idea what it is like to be 5'9/5'10 so why speak on the disadvantages of it?  Stop dissuading people from doing what makes them feel happy.   You're literally no different from the tall guys who get pissed when guys do this surgery because they have more competition.

[Dexter5729]

Hi

I’m 5’9 on the dot.

I want to do quadrilateral lengthening but not overlapping, I mean maybe the 3-4 week one but most likely a year wait. Regardless, I want to end up at 6-6’1 in height. Is the difference worth it? If I could potentially be 6’2 is that something I should go for? Thanks

Ex patient,there are varying perspectives in this sector already so I just wanna give my personal feedback 2y post surgery. Going from 178 to 185, best decision of my life even the doc fked my right knee a bit (it was a difficult time, he was occupied with covid patients and everyone was quarantined so its the combination of both, my right knee is 90% back anw, left is fully recovered). Anw, 1st time comment back since 2021

[dboy123]

Whatever makes you feel confident bro, 5'9 you can get 6 foot easy with femurs, I say do it. I'm 5'8 and planning to do it maybe do 9cm to maybe get to 6 foot.

[p00293]

It's not worth the 3 inches because it's only going to be a small boost in terms of your overall attractiveness. In that scenario it's only worth it if you have a strong desire to be tall. If it was as easy as doing a hair transplant I would undoubtedly agree. But you have to sacrifice at least 50-60k and a year of mobility along with all the work to that comes along with LL. That just doesn't make sense. You're better off investing that in an actual mortgage or in other parts of your life. Like I said earlier, other plastic surgeries would yield the same if not more returns when it comes to attractiveness for a much lesser cost + easier recover time.

There are no disadvantages to being 5'9/5'10. If you think so you're chronically online and need to interact with the real world. A few viral tik toks on height aren't representative of the entire female population. Are there benefits to being tall? Sure. Are you penalized for being in the 50th percentile of height? Absolutely not, and to think that only people that are legitimately 6'0+ get laid often is completely asinine, especially considering that not every guy that's 6'0+ is attractive and is even into doing that. There are guys that are 6'0+ on incel forums too.

If you're filthy rich or if you cannot stand being average height, prob worth. If not, don't think so. FYI, I am doing this next year, but it's because I'm short and my height bothers me a lot.

This guy is a snake trying to sabotage us. Just be happy and accept yourself for who you are bro!

There are plenty of disadvantagesto being 5ft 9, namely that you don't get the benefits of being seen as 'tall' by women. A lot of women want a 'tall' guy, 6ft vs 5ft 9 is quite a massive boost, you're absolutely fking retarded if you think otherwise. I think you're just trying to gatekeep and sabotage tho.

[Jaki19]

This guy is a snke trying to sabotage us. Just be happy and accept yourself for who you are bro!

There are plenty of disadvantagesto being 5ft 9, namely that you don't get the benefits of being seen as 'tall' by women. A lot of women want a 'tall' guy, 6ft vs 5ft 9 is quite a massive boost, you're absolutely fking retarded if you think otherwise. I think you're just trying to gatekeep and sabotage tho.

Shut up incel

[p00293]

Shut up incel

Time for your estrogen shot goyim.

[informationispower]

Time for your estrogen shot goyim.

Why so antisemitic?

[p00293]

Why so antisemitic?

This is one of those things that is pointless when explained, you have to figure it out the truth for yourself.

https://imgur.com/a/WBRHglX

[BlueThunder]

I already showed you, with evidence, that although a lot of women PREFER a tall guy, they are willing to date someone that is average height (just like you would prefer to date someone thats extremely attractive). There are other sources that state similar numbers too btw. You can also look at people who have done experiments with their profile on dating apps with only making changes to their height. Avg --> tall did not change that number of matches. Short --> avg did. I am not saying that being "taller" does not give you a boost to your attractiveness. I'm saying that your dating pool does not widen if you go from 5'9/5'10 to 6'0 because many women are fine with dating men of avg. height (which I have, once again, proven with data and you can look up similar information if you want to). There are other ways to increase your attractiveness that don't involve spending 50k, breaking your bones, suspending your life for 4 months, and limiting your mobility.

You know what else women like? Guys that are very attractive facially. To think otherwise is retard3d. You know what else women like? Guys that are lean and that have muscles. To think otherwise is retard3d. You know what else women like? Guys that make a sh!t ton of money. To think otherwise is retard3d. The list can go on and its like the only thing youre obsessed about is height.

If you don't EXCEL in one of those areas you're not going to be significantly worse off. It's only if you're severely lacking in one of them that it makes a big difference (such as being in <25th percentile in height). You can get the surgery if you want to. But objectively not a wise idea, imo. I have not been 5'9/5'10, but I have talked to and know people that are. 99% of those guys do not care about their height and it does not impede them. I'm sure even they get the occasional girl that genuinely says, "I want 6'0/6'2+". But if they're not a majority, who cares? People aren't going to date you over things you can control too, like your race, even if you do get this surgery.

Your main point is "being 6'0+ is MUCH better than being 5'9/5'10" but you cannot logically explain why or provide sources as to why that's the case. I agree with you that there is a difference, just that the difference is not worth investing that much into considering it's not massive and bcs you can improve in other areas. You should be able to do what you want with your body and if you dislike being avg height then by all means go for it. This is something that should be available for anyone that thinks itll make them much happier. I don't think any surgery should be gatekept, just that people need to think carefully before doing these things.

[p00293]

You know what else women like? Guys that are very attractive facially. To think otherwise is retard3d. You know what else women like? Guys that are lean and that have muscles. To think otherwise is retard3d. You know what else women like? Guys that make a sh!t ton of money. To think otherwise is retard3d.

A good fking job that getting LL surgery isn't mutually exclusive with any of the above then isn't it?