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[p00293]

Almost noone is able to distinguish between a 5.9 and a 5.10 guy who is taller. The most muscular guy would look the bigger between them and most.people would think he is the taller one too.
So if LL is not worth at 5.10 then it is still doesn't worth at 5.9.
Yes the difference between 5.9 and 6ft is big but if you look bad at 5.9 (ugly face, skinny or obese etc) you will look as bad at 6ft and no woman would date.you only because you are taller.
But if you already look good at 5.9 then becoming 6ft will make you the date king. However, most good looking 5.9 guys don't even think about things like LL and just live their lives happily.

This is garbage logic and I see it often. Just because 1 inch isn't neccesarily perceptible in terms of being able to accurately call out a guys exact height doesn't mean it doesn't matter. We could go further and say we'll if 5ft 10 vs 5ft 9 isn't noticable neither is 5ft 9 vs 5ft 8, and continue that logic all the way down to balding Indian janitors at 5ft 2. But that's because your logic is unsound to begin with: 5ft 10 vs 5ft 9 is noticable, just as any other height increase is, just not always in the sense that one can accurately judge them an inch apart every time.

6ft vs 5ft 9 obviously has an impact in dating. Yes there's women who will date you at 6ft that wouldn't if you're 5ft 9, no one except some bluepilled idiot could deny it. Whatever success a guy has at 5ft 9, the same version of himself would have more at 6ft.

[informationispower]

This is garbage logic and I see it often. Just because 1 inch isn't neccesarily perceptible in terms of being able to accurately call out a guys exact height doesn't mean it doesn't matter. We could go further and say we'll if 5ft 10 vs 5ft 9 isn't noticable neither is 5ft 9 vs 5ft 8, and continue that logic all the way down to balding Indian janitors at 5ft 2. But that's because your logic is unsound to begin with: 5ft 10 vs 5ft 9 is noticable, just as any other height increase is, just not always in the sense that one can accurately judge them an inch apart every time.

6ft vs 5ft 9 obviously has an impact in dating. Yes there's women who will date you at 6ft that wouldn't if you're 5ft 9, no one except some bluepilled idiot could deny it. Whatever success a guy has at 5ft 9, the same version of himself would have more at 6ft.

I rember the incel height graph which showed that at 5'7, 65% of girls will reject you while 30% would at 5'9 and at 6' it is 10% or 5% and at 5'10 only 15%. Even according to the incel height graph, being 5'9+ is perfectly fine. From personal experience, being 5'7 i find these numbers a bit exaggerated but with a 1 inch insole my dating life improved considerably (a mixture of height but mainly self confidence).
If a 5'9 guy wanna do this, go ahead but I dont think the xhange will be as big going from 5'9 to 5'11-6' as going from 5'6 to 5'9-5'8

[p00293]

I rember the incel height graph which showed that at 5'7, 65% of girls will reject you while 30% would at 5'9 and at 6' it is 10% or 5% and at 5'10 only 15%. Even according to the incel height graph, being 5'9+ is perfectly fine. From personal experience, being 5'7 i find these numbers a bit exaggerated but with a 1 inch insole my dating life improved considerably (a mixture of height but mainly self confidence).
If a 5'9 guy wanna do this, go ahead but I dont think the xhange will be as big going from 5'9 to 5'11-6' as going from 5'6 to 5'9-5'8

I don't know the specific graph you're talking about but let's say it's correct: going from 5ft 9 to 6ft just improved your dating life by 28% (70% to 90% is that percentage increase). Hardly irrelevant and it doesn't show 5ft 9 is "perfectly fine": it's not fine, albeit it's not a death tier height. Your "self kunfidunce" is irrelevant, it's about the extra height, to think otherwise is to think like a reddit bluepiller who says if you're considering LL you need muh therapy and if you got it done and it improved your life it was all because of your confidence boost. Absolute BS - it's the height, nothing else.

I agree with the last part (5ft 6 to 5ft 9 is a bigger life difference than 5ft 9 to 6ft) but that doesn't mean LL isn't worth it at 5ft 9, it just means it's even more worth it at 5ft 6.

I actually think (one surgery) LL is only really for guys in the range of 5ft 5 to 5ft 10 tbh. If you start below 5ft 5 you'll always be a manlet unless you're willing to do quadrilateral. Above 5ft 10 it's diminishing returns while in the 5ft 5 to 5ft 10 range each extra inch noticably improves your quality of life.

[Body Builder]

This is garbage logic and I see it often. Just because 1 inch isn't neccesarily perceptible in terms of being able to accurately call out a guys exact height doesn't mean it doesn't matter. We could go further and say we'll if 5ft 10 vs 5ft 9 isn't noticable neither is 5ft 9 vs 5ft 8, and continue that logic all the way down to balding Indian janitors at 5ft 2. But that's because your logic is unsound to begin with: 5ft 10 vs 5ft 9 is noticable, just as any other height increase is, just not always in the sense that one can accurately judge them an inch apart every time.

6ft vs 5ft 9 obviously has an impact in dating. Yes there's women who will date you at 6ft that wouldn't if you're 5ft 9, no one except some bluepilled idiot could deny it. Whatever success a guy has at 5ft 9, the same version of himself would have more at 6ft.

If someone has zero success with girls, like many men out there (at least 1/3) then even if they become 6ft their chances would be the same compared to 5.9.

The garbage logic is yours who believe that many men that write here and want to lengthen some crazy amounts although their initial height is completely average or very close to that, will suddenly become chick magnets at 6ft although at 5.9-10 may be still virgins.
Guess what, unless you are short, if you have problem with getting women then most of the times has nothing to do with height. And becoming 6ft from 5.10 will have minimal impact to that.
Because most 5.10-5.9 men who look good don't have problems with women, at least to the extend to want to do quadriple LL to fix it.

LL is only for short men or average men who already look good and want to become perfect. Noone else would have a real benefit from it. And for sure not average height ugly (on face or body etc) men or men with terrible style who gain 6-7cm and believe that they will suddenly drive women crazy.
Because at least 90% of the time these men would be completely unsuccessful with women after LL as they were before.

[p00293]

If someone has zero success with girls, like many men out there (at least 1/3) then even if they become 6ft their chances would be the same compared to 5.9.

The garbage logic is yours who believe that many men that write here and want to lengthen some crazy amounts although their initial height is completely average or very close to that, will suddenly become chick magnets at 6ft although at 5.9-10 may be still virgins.
Guess what, unless you are short, if you have problem with getting women then most of the times has nothing to do with height. And becoming 6ft from 5.10 will have minimal impact to that.
Because most 5.10-5.9 men who look good don't have problems with women, at least to the extend to want to do quadriple LL to fix it.

LL is only for short men or average men who already look good and want to become perfect. Noone else would have a real benefit from it. And for sure not average height ugly (on face or body etc) men or men with terrible style who gain 6-7cm and believe that they will suddenly drive women crazy.
Because at least 90% of the time these men would be completely unsuccessful with women after LL as they were before.

Strawman argument that has nothing to do with if LL has value at 5ft 9. Yes if you're ugly you'll have a bad time anywhere, no one said otherwise, that's absolutely irrelevant since the same could be said about a guy at 5ft 3, 5ft 7, or 6ft 5. Ugly is ugly and has nothing to do with the value of LL surgery at a given height.

[Body Builder]

Strawman argument that has nothing to do with if LL has value at 5ft 9. Yes if you're ugly you'll have a bad time anywhere, no one said otherwise, that's absolutely irrelevant since the same could be said about a guy at 5ft 3, 5ft 7, or 6ft 5. Ugly is ugly and has nothing to do with the value of LL surgery at a given height.

A 5.5 guy that becomes 5.8 after LL, even ugly, would live a much more normal life at an about average height as noone would discriminate against him for his height compared to when he was really short. On the other hand a 5.9 man won't have that discrimination to begin with so LL is only for making him more attractive to women while a 5.5 man had many problems except from dating which can be solved after he becomes average because he wouldn't face social.prejudice about his height after LL.
Its not all about dating.
But I still believe that a sensible LL (of about 6cm) will be useful even at 5.9, but only if you otherwise have reached your potential (in body, style etc) and you already have some success in women which will be more after LL. Just a bad looking man becoming 6ft from 5.9 won't change almost anything.

[p00293]

A 5.5 guy that becomes 5.8 after LL, even ugly, would live a much more normal life at an about average height as noone would discriminate against him for his height compared to when he was really short. On the other hand a 5.9 man won't have that discrimination to begin with so LL is only for making him more attractive to women while a 5.5 man had many problems except from dating which can be solved after he becomes average because he wouldn't face social.prejudice about his height after LL.
Its not all about dating.
But I still believe that a sensible LL (of about 6cm) will be useful even at 5.9, but only if you otherwise have reached your potential (in body, style etc) and you already have some success in women which will be more after LL. Just a bad looking man becoming 6ft from 5.9 won't change almost anything.

No, it is all about dating. 90% of it is anyway.

If you'd actually get LL so "other normies at my wageslave job will respect me more", just lol. The most respected slave on the slave farm, big deal!

Stop banging on that if you're ugly it won't help much. Everyone knows that and it's a strawman argument. An average looking guy at 5ft 9 will gain more success with women at 6ft, simple as that.

[informationispower]

I don't know the specific graph you're talking about but let's say it's correct: going from 5ft 9 to 6ft just improved your dating life by 28% (70% to 90% is that percentage increase). Hardly irrelevant and it doesn't show 5ft 9 is "perfectly fine": it's not fine, albeit it's not a death tier height. Your "self kunfidunce" is irrelevant, it's about the extra height, to think otherwise is to think like a reddit bluepiller who says if you're considering LL you need muh therapy and if you got it done and it improved your life it was all because of your confidence boost. Absolute BS - it's the height, nothing else.

I agree with the last part (5ft 6 to 5ft 9 is a bigger life difference than 5ft 9 to 6ft) but that doesn't mean LL isn't worth it at 5ft 9, it just means it's even more worth it at 5ft 6.

I actually think (one surgery) LL is only really for guys in the range of 5ft 5 to 5ft 10 tbh. If you start below 5ft 5 you'll always be a manlet unless you're willing to do quadrilateral. Above 5ft 10 it's diminishing returns while in the 5ft 5 to 5ft 10 range each extra inch noticably improves your quality of life.

It is self confidence because atleast where I live, girls dont throw themselves at you and you as a man needs to be the one initiating... Before i started wearing insoles I was more shy and maybe passed on opportunities while now I am more active. I am not saying that being taller doesnt make you more attractive, only that around 5'9+ the difference is not as big as going from short to average. This is why the vast majority of llers are below 5'7 and, atleast from personal experience, I hardly heard guys who are 5'9 complaining about their height or blaiming it for causing troubles with women.
With all that said, I dont judge negativly anyone who does ll even if they are 6'. It is their body and they can do whatever they want with it. I will admit that most average height and above llers I have seen are either ugly or complete wierdos though....

[p00293]

It is self confidence because atleast where I live, girls dont throw themselves at you and you as a man needs to be the one initiating... Before i started wearing insoles I was more shy and maybe passed on opportunities while now I am more active. I am not saying that being taller doesnt make you more attractive, only that around 5'9+ the difference is not as big as going from short to average. This is why the vast majority of llers are below 5'7 and, atleast from personal experience, I hardly heard guys who are 5'9 complaining about their height or blaiming it for causing troubles with women.
With all that said, I dont judge negativly anyone who does ll even if they are 6'. It is their body and they can do whatever they want with it. I will admit that most average height and above llers I have seen are either ugly or complete wierdos though....

The man needs to be the one initiating anywhere, the experience of the overwhelming majority of men is that they have to chase the girls. Whether she accepts you is based off looks and height, not your confidence.

I agree the difference between 5ft 9 and 6ft isn't the same as going from 5ft 7 to 5ft 10 (short to average). They're both still well worth doing, much the same way I'd rather bang prime Megan Fox than the cute girl next door, but ultimately both are worth the shag.

[sphenopetroclival]

Women prioritize superficial aspects of life, treating it like a fashion show, and base their reproductive decisions accordingly, as if they view their male partner as a mere accessory to be showcased at the catwalk of life. This is a trivial mentality; and can't say I'd undergo this procedure to simply adhere to such worldview.

[informationispower]

The man needs to be the one initiating anywhere, the experience of the overwhelming majority of men is that they have to chase the girls. Whether she accepts you is based off looks and height, not your confidence.

I agree the difference between 5ft 9 and 6ft isn't the same as going from 5ft 7 to 5ft 10 (short to average). They're both still well worth doing, much the same way I'd rather bang prime Megan Fox than the cute girl next door, but ultimately both are worth the shag.

Looks (which height is part of) and also vibe. Height is something easy to fixate on because it is a number.. unlike facial attractivness and vibe. Again, I am not saying height aint important and I am sure after ll I will be found more attractive to more women but I dont think believing one would become a slayer afterwards is a good mindset

[p00293]

Looks (which height is part of) and also vibe. Height is something easy to fixate on because it is a number.. unlike facial attractivness and vibe. Again, I am not saying height aint important and I am sure after ll I will be found more attractive to more women but I dont think believing one would become a slayer afterwards is a good mindset

But nobody, not one person, has ever fking said that, which is why it's extremely frustrating when gatekeepers use it as a strawman.

WE ALL KNOW IF YOU HAVE AN AVERAGE FACE YOU WON'T BE A SLAYER. WE ALL KNOW IF YOU'RE DOWNRIGHT UGLY YOU'LL STRUGGLE TO GET GIRLS NO MATTER YOUR HEIGHT.

That is IRRELEVANT as to whether it's worth getting LL at 5ft 9 or not. Being 6ft rather than 5ft 9 will help quite a bit - according to your own words, it'll increase your potential dating pool by 28%, hardly a small amount (plus the girls who would have dated you anyway are probably even more attracted at 6ft, so you won't have to work as hard to get them). That applies whether you're a 5ft 9 Chad or just some average 5ft 9 guy with a handful of lays, a couple of LTR's but nothing impressive.

To slay you need both a good face and a good height. But there's a whole lotta shades of grey between slaying and being some permavirgin d moderator. Average face + 6ft height is better than average face + 5ft 9 height, end of story, the 6ft guy will do better, although it's unlikely either of them will be slaying like some 8/10 Chad.

[informationispower]

(plus the girls who would have dated you anyway are probably even more attracted at 6ft, so you won't have to work as hard to get them).

That is the main thing I dont agree with. I think that once you passed a looks threshold for a given woman you "are in". Now only thing that matters is your personality. You don't have it easier if you become even more good looking.
Again, all my opinions come from personal experience and observations.

Once a girl finds you attractive, it is hard to fk it up. Only thing that is true is that the more attractive you are, more girls will find you attractive. It is a numbers game

[p00293]

That is the main thing I dont agree with. I think that once you passed a looks threshold for a given woman you "are in". Now only thing that matters is your personality. You don't have it easier if you become even more good looking.
Again, all my opinions come from personal experience and observations.

Once a girl finds you attractive, it is hard to fk it up. Only thing that is true is that the more attractive you are, more girls will find you attractive. It is a numbers game

To disprove this, just think how much bull you'd take from a girlfriend who looked like prime Taylor Swift. You'd put up with a hell of a lot of BS to keep her.

Now think about how much bull you'd take to keep some 6/10 girl who you're still 'attracted' to, but not as much. Yeah, you wouldn't be tolerating near as much from her.

And I see no evidence at all that men and women are fundamentally different in terms of attraction. The 'le personality' pill was proven garbage over a decade ago now, only looks matter so I see no reason being better looking wouldn't make it easier to get those girls who would nevertheless have settled for you if you were uglier/shorter (but you know, that's why they call it 'settling', with all the negative connotations that word provides).

[informationispower]

To disprove this, just think how much bull you'd take from a girlfriend who looked like prime Taylor Swift. You'd put up with a hell of a lot of BS to keep her.

Now think about how much bull you'd take to keep some 6/10 girl who you're still 'attracted' to, but not as much. Yeah, you wouldn't be tolerating near as much from her.

And I see no evidence at all that men and women are fundamentally different in terms of attraction. The 'le personality' pill was proven garbage over a decade ago now, only looks matter so I see no reason being better looking wouldn't make it easier to get those girls who would nevertheless have settled for you if you were uglier/shorter (but you know, that's why they call it 'settling', with all the negative connotations that word provides).

Let's agree to disagree. Anyways, I wish you a safe and easy lengthening

[ballsackoffury123]

I mean I think p00293's point are all logical and I don't know what there is to disagree with there lol. Height for male will help you in any part of life and if you're below 6'2 you prob want to grow taller. But 5'10 is prob the cut off where this surgery isn't worth it for the  ty journey you have to go through. Although I still see many people in my clinic who are over 6 feet doing it, but to each their own.

[informationispower]

I mean I think p00293's point are all logical and I don't know what there is to disagree with there lol. Height for male will help you in any part of life and if you're below 6'2 you prob want to grow taller. But 5'10 is prob the cut off where this surgery isn't worth it for the  ty journey you have to go through. Although I still see many people in my clinic who are over 6 feet doing it, but to each their own.

I dont disagree per se with what he says, I disagree with the black and white view. There is of course the fact that you and I believe he are americans, and americans DO HAVE a huge fixation with height, unlike europe where while height is an important attribute for a guy, it isnt the be all end all as much as in the states

[p00293]

I dont disagree per se with what he says, I disagree with the black and white view. There is of course the fact that you and I believe he are americans, and americans DO HAVE a huge fixation with height, unlike europe where while height is an important attribute for a guy, it isnt the be all end all as much as in the states

I do think we broadly agree with the main points - I don't accept confidence or personality has any noticeable effect whatsoever but that's somewhat outside the scope of LL.

5ft 9 to 6ft is less of an effect than something like 5ft 6 to 5ft 9, or 5ft 7 to 5ft 10, though I still think all of those are worth doing. I'd probably 'cap' it at 5ft 10 to 6ft 1 as the last point where it'd be worth the journey - while 5ft 11 to 6ft 2 is a 'benefit', we're starting to hit the law of diminishing returns quite fast at that point IMO, and from 6ft to any height above it the benefits are very slight indeed.

[ballsackoffury123]

Never been to Europe but Im of Asian decent living in America (born and raised in California). If you think Americans have prejudice on height, Asia is 3x worse, even though they’re shorter in general. One guy in my clinic said he’s from Hong Kong and literally can’t apply for the banking job he wanted unless he’s above 5’6”.
Anyways yes the value of the surgery diminishes the taller you are originally, but to answer OP 5’9 ain’t it. I’m 174cm originally (5’8) and going to be 182cm. I go from the 38th percentile of men in America to the 80th percentile. And 56th percentile in Asia originally to the 94th percentile. I’m pretty sure my life’s gonna change

[Body Builder]

To disprove this, just think how much bull you'd take from a girlfriend who looked like prime Taylor Swift. You'd put up with a hell of a lot of BS to keep her.

Now think about how much bull you'd take to keep some 6/10 girl who you're still 'attracted' to, but not as much. Yeah, you wouldn't be tolerating near as much from her.

And I see no evidence at all that men and women are fundamentally different in terms of attraction. The 'le personality' pill was proven garbage over a decade ago now, only looks matter so I see no reason being better looking wouldn't make it easier to get those girls who would nevertheless have settled for you if you were uglier/shorter (but you know, that's why they call it 'settling', with all the negative connotations that word provides).

Taylor Swift is literally with Fernando Alonso who is 5.4 height but a very.successful f1 driver with plenty of money.
He is not even close to average but very short for a man.

A man who  take bs from his gf to keep her will lose her for sure, no matter if his height. At 5.9, if you look good and have self esteem and some money you don't have anything to envy from a 6ft man in the same league. Even many women are more into average height men than tall ones (not the majority but still many).
A 5.9 man who is unsuccessful with women must first try many other things than LL.because most probably height is not his main problem.
On the other hamd, a 5.6 man no matter what he'll fix he is very shirt for the average women to date so the first and most important he should fix is his height.

[Sigma]

I agree with @Body Builder and @p00293

[ballsackoffury123]

Taylor Swift is literally with Fernando Alonso who is 5.4 height but a very.successful f1 driver with plenty of money.
He is not even close to average but very short for a man.

A man who  take bs from his gf to keep her will lose her for sure, no matter if his height. At 5.9, if you look good and have self esteem and some money you don't have anything to envy from a 6ft man in the same league. Even many women are more into average height men than tall ones (not the majority but still many).
A 5.9 man who is unsuccessful with women must first try many other things than LL.because most probably height is not his main problem.
On the other hamd, a 5.6 man no matter what he'll fix he is very shirt for the average women to date so the first and most important he should fix is his height.

No one is disqualifying your point. Attracting and your value as a man is a complimentary of all your assets. Your personality, your wittiness, your face, your family, your HEIGHT. You can go start doing an improv class and be better at conversations and I'm sure girls will like you more. You can work hard at your job and earn $5 mil and I'm sure girls will like you more. You can also gain 3.15 inches in height, even at 5'9 and I'm sure girls will like you more.

And height isnt just about girls. People will respect you more in general. You go talk to 2 male strangers. One thats 5 inches below and one thats 5 inches above you. See how the dynamic of the conversation changes.

And appearance is important because people usually cant tell you're rich off the bat until they get to conversate with you. Do you think at a club a girl can see you and go like, oh that guy must be really smart and funny. No all she gets is your height and what your face (in the dark) looks like. And thats what she has to go off with to start the conversation with you and dance with you. It's almost like your appearearnce is the resume to get the interview. And everything else like your personality and how successful you are as a person is what happens in the actual interview to see if you get the job.

[p00293]

Taylor Swift is literally with Fernando Alonso who is 5.4 height but a very.successful f1 driver with plenty of money.
He is not even close to average but very short for a man.

A man who  take bs from his gf to keep her will lose her for sure, no matter if his height. At 5.9, if you look good and have self esteem and some money you don't have anything to envy from a 6ft man in the same league. Even many women are more into average height men than tall ones (not the majority but still many).
A 5.9 man who is unsuccessful with women must first try many other things than LL.because most probably height is not his main problem.
On the other hamd, a 5.6 man no matter what he'll fix he is very shirt for the average women to date so the first and most important he should fix is his height.

No, the 5ft 9 guy who has muh money and muh self esteem (both are irrelevant to attract women btw) still has height problems. He might well be getting laid but that doesn't mean his height isnt an issue. The same guy at 5ft 9, all things equal, would have more success if he was 6ft.

I said prime Taylor Swift not some over the hill girl in her 30s, nevertheless 1 example of 1 thing is irrelevant. I could show you a 6ft guy with a girlfriend if you want...

No one has ever said or implied that height is the only possible thing that could be holding a man back, and 3 inches from 5ft 9 to 6ft is the land to endless women and success, so if you bang that drum again I'll just block you, thanks.

[hippo60]

You guys are having a futile conversation with an incel who took the height obsession of the LL community to a whole new level. While I try to be respectful of all opinions, especially different than mine, he clearly has no idea what it means or takes to attract a woman. I don't say it because I'm an expert, but because people who are far more successful than me will speak very different about the subject. Thinking the only thing a woman can tell about you is your face and height without talking to you is just ridiculous and a clear sign of his extremely limited understanding of psychology and human behaviour, among other things.

Please don't give him more attention. He's spreading information that's "wrong" at best, and sometimes at the verge of being illegal (see his ideas about funding LL through credit card debt). There is no point in having a conversation with him because he's clearly set on his ways and have 0 openness to any other idea / opinion.

[ballsackoffury123]

You guys are having a futile conversation with an incel who took the height obsession of the LL community to a whole new level. While I try to be respectful of all opinions, especially different than mine, he clearly has no idea what it means or takes to attract a woman. I don't say it because I'm an expert, but because people who are far more successful than me will speak very different about the subject. Thinking the only thing a woman can tell about you is your face and height without talking to you is just ridiculous and a clear sign of his extremely limited understanding of psychology and human behaviour, among other things.

Please don't give him more attention. He's spreading information that's "wrong" at best, and sometimes at the verge of being illegal (see his ideas about funding LL through credit card debt). There is no point in having a conversation with him because he's clearly set on his ways and have 0 openness to any other idea / opinion.

"Thinking the only thing a woman can tell about you is your face and height" that is 100% true in context of a club and first impression? Then after talking to you obviously everything else comes into play. How well you can hold a conversation. Who you are, what you do. And how you are overall as a person. But your HEIGHT AND FACE and your clothes are all she gets to work off of before she talks to you. and before she decides if she even wants to talk to you lol

[Body Builder]

No one is disqualifying your point. Attracting and your value as a man is a complimentary of all your assets. Your personality, your wittiness, your face, your family, your HEIGHT. You can go start doing an improv class and be better at conversations and I'm sure girls will like you more. You can work hard at your job and earn $5 mil and I'm sure girls will like you more. You can also gain 3.15 inches in height, even at 5'9 and I'm sure girls will like you more.

And height isnt just about girls. People will respect you more in general. You go talk to 2 male strangers. One thats 5 inches below and one thats 5 inches above you. See how the dynamic of the conversation changes.

And appearance is important because people usually cant tell you're rich off the bat until they get to conversate with you. Do you think at a club a girl can see you and go like, oh that guy must be really smart and funny. No all she gets is your height and what your face (in the dark) looks like. And thats what she has to go off with to start the conversation with you and dance with you. It's almost like your appearearnce is the resume to get the interview. And everything else like your personality and how successful you are as a person is what happens in the actual interview to see if you get the job.

I don't respect any tall man just because he is tall. Even more, really tall men with skinny bodies look hillarious and is the completely opposite of someone that I would respect due to his physique.
Appearance is important yes but it is much more things than just being tall. An average height man have no disadvantage in respect, the only thing that lacks compared to a tall one (not too tall of.course) is the attractiveness for many women that want to be towered.from their man and because younger women are taller tham they used to be, it is very hard to tower most of the women with heels on at 5.9. I see it everyday as I am that height after LL.
Nothing other than that. The respect I have from men is much more than almost all the tall dudes I know.

[hippo60]

"Thinking the only thing a woman can tell about you is your face and height" that is 100% true in context of a club and first impression? Then after talking to you obviously everything else comes into play. How well you can hold a conversation. Who you are, what you do. And how you are overall as a person. But your HEIGHT AND FACE and your clothes are all she gets to work off of before she talks to you. and before she decides if she even wants to talk to you lol

Dude what is that obsession with clubs? How often do you go to clubs? I'm willing to bet the number of people on this forum who go once a week is in the single digits. And even in clubs, you think your behavior doesn't matter? Or how well you're dressed / groomed? Again, height is very (!!!) important, but saying that confidence doesn't have any impact on attraction is beyond ridiculous.

And if that's not enough, I'm pretty sure most people meet today through dating apps, not clubs. Your height is important, but it's also "just" a number on a screen. You still have a lot of work to do.

[p00293]

You guys are having a futile conversation with an incel who took the height obsession of the LL community to a whole new level. While I try to be respectful of all opinions, especially different than mine, he clearly has no idea what it means or takes to attract a woman. I don't say it because I'm an expert, but because people who are far more successful than me will speak very different about the subject. Thinking the only thing a woman can tell about you is your face and height without talking to you is just ridiculous and a clear sign of his extremely limited understanding of psychology and human behaviour, among other things.

Please don't give him more attention. He's spreading information that's "wrong" at best, and sometimes at the verge of being illegal (see his ideas about funding LL through credit card debt). There is no point in having a conversation with him because he's clearly set on his ways and have 0 openness to any other idea / opinion.

Keep injecting estrogen and drinking soy, dog.

[hippo60]

Keep injecting estrogen and drinking soy, dog.

Thanks buddy

[uponly]

You guys are having a futile conversation with an incel who took the height obsession of the LL community to a whole new level. While I try to be respectful of all opinions, especially different than mine, he clearly has no idea what it means or takes to attract a woman. I don't say it because I'm an expert, but because people who are far more successful than me will speak very different about the subject. Thinking the only thing a woman can tell about you is your face and height without talking to you is just ridiculous and a clear sign of his extremely limited understanding of psychology and human behaviour, among other things.

Please don't give him more attention. He's spreading information that's "wrong" at best, and sometimes at the verge of being illegal (see his ideas about funding LL through credit card debt). There is no point in having a conversation with him because he's clearly set on his ways and have 0 openness to any other idea / opinion.

From seeing his posts in other threads, have to agree. I'm gonna stop responding to this clown.

[EndGame]

No one is disqualifying your point. Attracting and your value as a man is a complimentary of all your assets. Your personality, your wittiness, your face, your family, your HEIGHT. You can go start doing an improv class and be better at conversations and I'm sure girls will like you more. You can work hard at your job and earn $5 mil and I'm sure girls will like you more. You can also gain 3.15 inches in height, even at 5'9 and I'm sure girls will like you more.

And height isnt just about girls. People will respect you more in general. You go talk to 2 male strangers. One thats 5 inches below and one thats 5 inches above you. See how the dynamic of the conversation changes.

And appearance is important because people usually cant tell you're rich off the bat until they get to conversate with you. Do you think at a club a girl can see you and go like, oh that guy must be really smart and funny. No all she gets is your height and what your face (in the dark) looks like. And thats what she has to go off with to start the conversation with you and dance with you. It's almost like your appearearnce is the resume to get the interview. And everything else like your personality and how successful you are as a person is what happens in the actual interview to see if you get the job.

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