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[ShortinUK]

Hey guys its been a week I have been visiting this cozy and toxic place for a while. I decided to share my story and "secret plan" for the surgery and want your kind suggestions. I will try to keep everything short (lol) and straightforward.

About me :

Age : 19 Male
Country : South Asian
Height : 168 CM (I hope I will grow a cm or two more since I was 165 last year)
My father is 5'5 so idk

Goal : 176 CM

Background :

I was always the extroverted kind of person from school. I am a computer science student just finished college (12 years).
I love games, music, movies pretty much the average south asian nerd starter package.

All the way upto my college, aside from a few occasions, I never noticed I was among short. Where I live, 5'8 to 5'9 is actually the average.

Problems started after my first year in college. I started to notice I was always the shortest in a group photo also at work. I wasn't given much respect and attention in a group task not because I'm lame or somethin like dat. Old friends from last year were suddenly towering me which was just weird. My teachers used to tell me that you need to do something about your health as I am skinny af too. I was the bright section representative so I dint care much I thought grades would cover it all.

I dint give more attention and moved on it as I knew they were mostly refering to my height and that I can't do anything about it except participate in sports activities and eat well which I never missed. I still play street football and love it. I dont workout tho I love my skinny look.

I moved on but it came back from time to time. I started feeling more cautious about height in public. I would look in the mirror reflections and noticed I was way shorter than I initially thought. The guy that I used to think would be my height would turn out to be 1-2 inches taller like wtf lol. This was a huge bummer and downfall of my mental health.

About girls, I never cared but I have been approached by a few. They called me cute which I absolutely love (it's alright). I just want to say the girls are not a major cause of my height neurosis but I can see this becoming one in the future.

It progressed rapidly from going through reddit /short to searching up every celebrity height while watching movies/shows. I started avoiding people, converted into an introverted cave man in a matter of months. I took a gap year because I had planned that I would complete my bachelors from Europe and had to prepare everything for it. I was supposed to get ready and here I was sitting depressed.

It haunted me day and night as it did to most of you at some point until I got to know about this surgery watched some videos for months, got to know about the process and the shady surgeons too thanks to this forum.   I never thought the surgeron I was planning to do my surgery is in fact a well known butcher here. Anyways, I started dreaming about the surgery and how it would benefit and eliminate the only weakness I have. I would be just the average height in Europe (5'9) and taller than average in my home country.

I would be able to work some administrative corporate jobs much more comfortably and you know already people notice your height the very first thing. It will help boost up my confidence and tolerability in interviews. I see this an investment purely.

Plan :

I'm actually going to UK for my bachelors in September 2023. I have received my CAS and hopefully will get the visa in July.
I will be with a friend during my stay there. He will help me in getting a decent job.

I know heightism is worse there I have heard some sad stuff.
My plan is to complete my bachelors somehow while saving money for the surgery. This would easily take 2-3 years with odd jobs. It's pretty early to think but I have observed most of people here worked 5-6 years for it too so that motivated me. I would not be visiting my family for a long time so iykwim. About the friend, I would leave his company by the end of year 1 once I get the hold of the new country.  I need to hide it from family at all costs. They would never forgive me or even allow me for this if they find out.
I don't thinkso they will understand. I need this believe me my mind is settled on it and it's not gonna change most probably after my bachelors or anything lol.

I plan to do it somewhere safe but mot super expensive like Paley. Just the best second options.

Surgery :

I have realised femur is way more dangerous and painful than tibia.
The external femurs are a death sentence which was my initial strategy lol
Fuk those YouTube videos.

What I think would be enough for me since I want 6-8CM is Tibia LON. I have read a few diaries here and while 6cm seems to be the safest a few did 7-8 just fine (unless they are not some fake shillers).
It has less major risks and would cost less too. I would be fine with both.

Now I want your suggestions on what surgeon would be the second best (I just can't afford Paley 100K anything at 50-60 max and another 10-15 for complications)

If anyone has the same plans or story? I mean I would be gone for a long long time. I can say I grew it's not super rare but I would try my best to not drop any hints.

Were you ever able to hide it? The scars..do they become less noticeable if given 3-4 years? Is Tibia really safer than Femur?

I can give the surgery 1-1.5 year or even more idc but I plan on returning when I have recovered to a point where I can walk properly not like a penguin. That's all I want don't care bout my sports ability or my 100%.

Waiting for your suggestions! 

[Kanye Western]

Interesting read. Honestly if you're going to be moving to the UK, I'd honestly do the surgery soon before you start college if possible. You'll enjoy it more especially with the nightlife scenery and you'll know nobody so no one can judge later on.

6-8cm on tibia is alot, whilst you still want to maintain your alethic abilities. I haven't done the surgery yet, but I'll have a better understanding when I finally do it for myself. Regarding people I know and reached out to;

1. Maxheight35 - did 3" on tibia, and he's doing well (walking, etc, not too sure about sporting abilities though).

2. Oldiebutgoldie - did 6cm on femur and was walking almost normally like 3 months post surgery and was skiing like 9 months post surgery.

3. Lessthanavg - did 3ish cm on femur is almost recovered

4. Chasecortese (instagram) - did 8cm on femur and is back to normal.


Have you decided what method you want to proceed with, made initial start regarding contacts with surgeons? There's going to be a   ton of additional information you'll need to know that you think you probably know now, but really don't. I'm still like that now atm lol.

[ShortinUK]

Hey Kanye 👋 I think I will try my best to avoid femurs (both internal/external).
After reading this forum for just a week, femurs appear to be more problematic. Most probably it will be LON Tibia (idk if has further variations). I'm fine with 6-8. (i might end up 170cm 2-3 years later in that case it will be 6 cm Tibia otherwise 8 cm Tibia or worst case 8 cm precice femur.

Complications I know of regarding this surgery :
Some words I read and fear are infection, osteomyelitis, fat embolism, non union, ballerina, bowleg etc.

You're right I'm new to these but I will learn from time to time. It just feels terrible if you stay here for long xD especially at a time where I need peak motivation and confidence

[ShortinUK]

I have not made contact with surgeons but got a price quote just for an idea.
Honestly, I dont thinkso I would be able to do it before college. I need to learn alot there while studying. It will be a complete new country, new education and work system. Getting surgery means no work, exposing my secret to alot of people, difficulty in studies. I want to enjoy this degree tbh.

I don't have the full cost arranged at the moment. I want to complete my bachelors minimum before this surgery. The surgery can wait 3 years I would be 22-23 by then max height so there's that.

[Kanye Western]

After reading this forum for just a week, femurs appear to be more problematic. Most probably it will be LON Tibia

I think it's the other way round?

[DanishViking]

Both doing Tibia and any kind of external surgery is much more risky than doing internal methods Femurs, which pretty much all western experinced surgeons recommend. Bigger chance of getting malalignment, infection and arthisis etc with Tibia surgery and espicially WITH LON. Look at this thread, where I have posted all the evidence for this:

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=82502.0

Don't take a decent risk just to save money, it ain't worth it...

[ShortinUK]

Tbh, I read diaries and almost every tibia diary was a success in the end without major complications and also LON Tibia is famous like every other surgeon recommends external methods for Tibia. I'm super new to LL so maybe I haven't read enough yet lol sorry guys.

About femurs, I think there are very less chances of complications in internal method but if one arises they are difficult to treat? Like you need a surgery again for treating it?

What do you guys suggest?

[ShortinUK]

From the diaries, femurs seems to be a more invasive surgery. The patient walking never satisfied me there's just something wierd about it in majority of the patients. I have checked some videos.
Also it being closer to hip affecting our pee/poo function , costing way more and still the risks are there. I mean well you're already fked when you're getting this surgery.

Tibias are less painful, recovery a bit slower but easier and better walk than femur patients. The infections yeah is there an internal method for tibia?
I don't know what's best lol

[Kanye Western]

Maxheight35 did internal weight bearing nail on tibias. Imo, after month 2 he was struggling but he's good now.

[lessthanavg8300]

Hey guys its been a week I have been visiting this cozy and toxic place for a while. I decided to share my story and "secret plan" for the surgery and want your kind suggestions. I will try to keep everything short (lol) and straightforward.

About me :

Age : 19 Male
Country : South Asian
Height : 168 CM (I hope I will grow a cm or two more since I was 165 last year)
My father is 5'5 so idk

Goal : 176 CM

Background :

I was always the extroverted kind of person from school. I am a computer science student just finished college (12 years).
I love games, music, movies pretty much the average south asian nerd starter package.

All the way upto my college, aside from a few occasions, I never noticed I was among short. Where I live, 5'8 to 5'9 is actually the average.

Problems started after my first year in college. I started to notice I was always the shortest in a group photo also at work. I wasn't given much respect and attention in a group task not because I'm lame or somethin like dat. Old friends from last year were suddenly towering me which was just weird. My teachers used to tell me that you need to do something about your health as I am skinny af too. I was the bright section representative so I dint care much I thought grades would cover it all.

I dint give more attention and moved on it as I knew they were mostly refering to my height and that I can't do anything about it except participate in sports activities and eat well which I never missed. I still play street football and love it. I dont workout tho I love my skinny look.

I moved on but it came back from time to time. I started feeling more cautious about height in public. I would look in the mirror reflections and noticed I was way shorter than I initially thought. The guy that I used to think would be my height would turn out to be 1-2 inches taller like wtf lol. This was a huge bummer and downfall of my mental health.

About girls, I never cared but I have been approached by a few. They called me cute which I absolutely love (it's alright). I just want to say the girls are not a major cause of my height neurosis but I can see this becoming one in the future.

It progressed rapidly from going through reddit /short to searching up every celebrity height while watching movies/shows. I started avoiding people, converted into an introverted cave man in a matter of months. I took a gap year because I had planned that I would complete my bachelors from Europe and had to prepare everything for it. I was supposed to get ready and here I was sitting depressed.

It haunted me day and night as it did to most of you at some point until I got to know about this surgery watched some videos for months, got to know about the process and the shady surgeons too thanks to this forum.   I never thought the surgeron I was planning to do my surgery is in fact a well known butcher here. Anyways, I started dreaming about the surgery and how it would benefit and eliminate the only weakness I have. I would be just the average height in Europe (5'9) and taller than average in my home country.

I would be able to work some administrative corporate jobs much more comfortably and you know already people notice your height the very first thing. It will help boost up my confidence and tolerability in interviews. I see this an investment purely.

Plan :

I'm actually going to UK for my bachelors in September 2023. I have received my CAS and hopefully will get the visa in July.
I will be with a friend during my stay there. He will help me in getting a decent job.

I know heightism is worse there I have heard some sad stuff.
My plan is to complete my bachelors somehow while saving money for the surgery. This would easily take 2-3 years with odd jobs. It's pretty early to think but I have observed most of people here worked 5-6 years for it too so that motivated me. I would not be visiting my family for a long time so iykwim. About the friend, I would leave his company by the end of year 1 once I get the hold of the new country.  I need to hide it from family at all costs. They would never forgive me or even allow me for this if they find out.
I don't thinkso they will understand. I need this believe me my mind is settled on it and it's not gonna change most probably after my bachelors or anything lol.

I plan to do it somewhere safe but mot super expensive like Paley. Just the best second options.

Surgery :

I have realised femur is way more dangerous and painful than tibia.
The external femurs are a death sentence which was my initial strategy lol
Fuk those YouTube videos.

What I think would be enough for me since I want 6-8CM is Tibia LON. I have read a few diaries here and while 6cm seems to be the safest a few did 7-8 just fine (unless they are not some fake shillers).
It has less major risks and would cost less too. I would be fine with both.

Now I want your suggestions on what surgeon would be the second best (I just can't afford Paley 100K anything at 50-60 max and another 10-15 for complications)

If anyone has the same plans or story? I mean I would be gone for a long long time. I can say I grew it's not super rare but I would try my best to not drop any hints.

Were you ever able to hide it? The scars..do they become less noticeable if given 3-4 years? Is Tibia really safer than Femur?

I can give the surgery 1-1.5 year or even more idc but I plan on returning when I have recovered to a point where I can walk properly not like a penguin. That's all I want don't care bout my sports ability or my 100%.

Waiting for your suggestions! 

Do 5 or 6 CM on your femurs and call it a day.  Its the best bang for your buck.  Probably the optimal point in regards to height gained vs recovery time.  Thats my 2 cents.

[Limbfan2020]

Do 5 or 6 CM on your femurs and call it a day.  Its the best bang for your buck.  Probably the optimal point in regards to height gained vs recovery time.  Thats my 2 cents.

Your comments are gold!

[DanishViking]

Agreed

[Vogel]

Doctors recommendation:

- Franz Birkholtz
- Donghoon Lee

I wouldn’t do it with Paley even though I could, I just don’t like his vibe. Do your own research and try to find the doctor that works best for you. STAY AWAY FROM TURKEY.

[Limbfan2020]

Go to Dr. Becker! Only 1h flight from the UK

[kamaruusman]

Both doing Tibia and any kind of external surgery is much more risky than doing internal methods Femurs, which pretty much all western experinced surgeons recommend. Bigger chance of getting malalignment, infection and arthisis etc with Tibia surgery and espicially WITH LON. Look at this thread, where I have posted all the evidence for this:

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=82502.0

Don't take a decent risk just to save money, it ain't worth it...

And with internal method femurs, bigger chance of dying for sure.

From the diaries, femurs seems to be a more invasive surgery. The patient walking never satisfied me there's just something wierd about it in majority of the patients. I have checked some videos.
Also it being closer to hip affecting our pee/poo function , costing way more and still the risks are there. I mean well you're already fked when you're getting this surgery.

Tibias are less painful, recovery a bit slower but easier and better walk than femur patients. The infections yeah is there an internal method for tibia?
I don't know what's best lol

You got it right.

[saltedchocolate]

ok yes I like the way you've put this,
i did LON on tibia and i did it with a butcher so he crippled me, he made me lengthen fast at 1.25 mm / day so that led to nerve damage and non union and now i'm getting fixed by someone else.
I'll just say that don't do LON on femurs and whatever u do, whether LON on tibia or internal femurs, Lengthen as slow as possible.
Lengthen 6-7 cm on femurs and forget ab it. Like the g said.

or do 4 or 5 on tibia with LON and forget ab it

[ShortinUK]

That's bad. I'm so sorry for you.
Can you tell me which process has the higher chances of death?
And if something goes wrong , can you ever just ever gain back your walk atleast?

The problem is I want minimum 6CM that too if I grow 2CM more in these 2-3 years. Otherwise it would be 7-8CM.
Going through this surgery and just coming out as another "low end of the average" just doesn't seem satisfying.

175CM is minimum. 5'9 pass atleast lol I'm gon get crippled but 5'6 to 5'9 would be so so good.

Get well soon dude

[ShortinUK]

Also can anyone comment on how are the scars? Do they get better over time to a point nobody would notice ?

I would be going full incognito with this surgery lol.

[kamaruusman]

Can you tell me which process has the higher chances of death?

Internal femurs = higher chance of fat embolism syndrome

[Kanye Western]

Internal femurs = higher chance of fat embolism syndrome

Where have you read this lol

[DanishViking]

Do you have any sources to back up you claim? If not then don't spread misinformation... Agree with Kanye Western!

[kamaruusman]

Where have you read this lol

Everywhere. Everyone who has done proper research on LL should know this.

Do you have any sources to back up you claim? If not then don't spread misinformation... Agree with Kanye Western!

Ok. I'll just leave these here to end this debate.




You guys need to understand that just because Paley or any other doctor recommends one method, that doesn't mean that it's the safest. But could be just because it's less headache for them.