Topic: Getting surgery soon (Read 11684 times)

DanishViking · « **Reply #31 on:** March 22, 2023, 01:14:07 PM »

And your're a surgeon and expert yourself right? I hurt your feelings right? Anyone can easily claim something without any sources... Not clicking on your Porn links LMAO.

Werewolf · « **Reply #32 on:** March 22, 2023, 01:16:24 PM »

Quote from: lessthanavg8300 on March 20, 2023, 05:42:14 PM

I would recommend you do Precise 2.2 or a weight bearing nail. LON patients have worse outcomes on all fronts. This method is really out the door for reputable surgeons these days and is considered old tech.

Seriously how many idiots there are on this forum. Can you prove it to me? I'm not talking about people who go to the butchers and get injured in the forum. Also this person gave a stupid lot of money and only got 4cm taller. Proportion-obsessed suckers. (The diary may be fake there are no pictures and videos and it refuses to upload)

DanishViking · « **Reply #33 on:** March 22, 2023, 01:28:34 PM »

You wrote this on another post:

Girls, you are all the same... Stop calling people short. I hope you get banned."

WHAT ABOUT YOURSELF SHAMING OTHER GUYS SHORTER THAN YOURSELF? LOL

And also this:

"Oh my god black people are really stupid. evolutionarily. Sorry but this is the truth. I shouldn't have argued with a black man."

If that isn't racism, I don't know what is...

Your're a disgusting human being, and becoming taller isn't gonna fix that. You will always be ugly on the inside

Werewolf · « **Reply #34 on:** March 22, 2023, 01:42:20 PM »

Quote from: DanishViking on March 22, 2023, 01:28:34 PM

WHAT ABOUT YOURSELF SHAMING OTHER GUYS SHORTER THAN YOURSELF?

Should be girls not guys. I wrote this to dr becker's wife kanye western and short viking like you. I just called you two short and that's real. I'm not kidding.
Have you ever thought why it's just you and kanye western? You both are vile people.

DanishViking · « **Reply #35 on:** March 22, 2023, 01:52:00 PM »

And you should include yourself, since your're also on this forum looking to become taller. You seriously have some double standards hahaha

Werewolf · « **Reply #36 on:** March 22, 2023, 02:01:19 PM »

Quote from: DanishViking on March 22, 2023, 01:52:00 PM

And you should include yourself, since your're also on this forum looking to become taller. You seriously have some double standards hahaha

I am here to inform people, not to increase my height. I'm right there when I see poor people like you and kayne western who think they're or their fake diaries.
No one cares about you they don't even answer lol. And you say that you seriously researched the Vikings were 1.70 meters tall. I guess you have no business.
The biggest feature of the ignorant is that they claim that they know, even though they don't know anything. like you. You claim to know a lot but you don't know .
You have to be a doctor to speak. Or you have to have surgery. I will ignore you from now on like other people. Kanye western and you are both commenting on the surgery even though you haven't had the surgery. even kanye western talks about post-op pain LMAO.

Unknown · « **Reply #37 on:** March 22, 2023, 03:09:02 PM »

Femurs lengthening gait look like absolute crap compared to tibias. Just look at how some of them walk after surgery. Horrific. Tibias patients walk more normally although slower than pre surgery. There is so much soft tissues at the femoral area that after surgery, even basic functions like peeing and pooping become heavily affected.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323501496_A_Rare_Fatal_Complication_of_Llizarov_Procedure
Another instance of femur LL fatal case.
https://www.hss.edu/conditions_tibia-lengthening-precice-internal-lengthening-nail.asp#:~:text=Femur%20lengthening%20will%20increase%20risk,a%20clinical%20problem%20for%20walking.
An explanation on why tibias is preferable.

DanishViking · « **Reply #38 on:** March 22, 2023, 03:18:22 PM »

Here is a summarization to you from me

1. Vikings were about 5'7 - 5'8 (look at the source)
2. It's funny how you know everything about the surgery, even tho you haven't gotten it yourself or is a surgeon! WHAT ABOUT YOURSELF IDIOT?
3.Shaming shorter people when your're to afraid to admit that your're short yourself is sad. Otherwise you wouldn't be on this site...
4. The fact that your're a racist shows how disgusting and stupid you are.
5. If your're not on this forum to get the surgery, but just to troll, which is obviously the case, then seriously get a life!
6. A life leason you obviously need - YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITHOUT ANY SORT OF REAL SOURCES OR PROOF.

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/vikheight.crapml#:~:text=%22The%20examination%20of%20skeletons%20from,2%2D1%2F2%20in.

DanishViking · « **Reply #39 on:** March 22, 2023, 03:20:43 PM »

I forgot to mention that with tibia lengthening your chances of developing arthisis and other issues is bigger according to this study:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26398436/

"Discussion: Increasing tibia length relative to femur length was found to be a significant predictor of ipsilateral hip and knee arthritis. Therefore, we recommend that when performing limb lengthening, surgical planning should lean toward recreating the normal ratio of 0.80. In circumstances where one bone is to be overlengthened relative to the other, bias should be toward overlengthening the femur."

DanishViking · « **Reply #40 on:** March 22, 2023, 03:26:32 PM »

The guy who underwent Illazarov on Femurs is not an example you can use. EVERYONE knows that you should never do externals for femurs. If you just spend 10 minutes researching LL you will find this out. It's really hard to come by a surgeon now a days, that do external lengthening only for femurs and even LON. Only crappy unexperienced surgeons in India and Turkey offers this.

And the other link is about a patient who has problems with the hips before doing Leg lengthening and has a Discrepency. The author of the case is Dr. Rozbruch who in a interview with Cyborg4Life stated that he always recommends doing internal femurs over the tibias cuz it's easier, safer, heals quicker and more height.

Watch at 11:50 - 14:45 and 19:05 - 21:20 in the video, for everyone watching this post!

Werewolf · « **Reply #41 on:** March 22, 2023, 04:23:13 PM »

Quote from: DanishViking on March 22, 2023, 03:20:43 PM

I forgot to mention that with tibia lengthening your chances of developing arthisis and other issues is bigger according to this study:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26398436/

"Discussion: Increasing tibia length relative to femur length was found to be a significant predictor of ipsilateral hip and knee arthritis. Therefore, we recommend that when performing limb lengthening, surgical planning should lean toward recreating the normal ratio of 0.80. In circumstances where one bone is to be overlengthened relative to the other, bias should be toward overlengthening the femur."

Do you understand what you read? He's talking about inequality here. Most people have a short tibia from birth. Therefore, while 7-8 cm can be done comfortably in the femur, the limit for the tibia is 5-6 cm. All of these vary from person to person. He talking about people whose tibia is longer than his femur. Also It's just a thesis. It's not a proven thing. The leg of the person in the picture you sent looks like photoshop. They also have very short femurs. It's ridiculous that he has a tibia even though he has short femurs. Most people stretch the shorter area. For a more aesthetic look.

Also, even the surgeons in turkey and india, even if they are butchers, they have more benefits to the world than you and they are the smart ones who have become doctors. Like you, they don't write to people on the internet saying that this is right or wrong. Greece and DR. Giotikas nothing less than them. European doctors are the same crap. You can do this job best at Paley in the USA. And those types of doctors are premium. Lon doesn't. The reason he can't is because he doesn't want to deal with it and the price is cheap.

Did you know that the Precice 2 is broken and there are many complications? The person you sent in the video, Dr Yuksel, had surgery.
Even if the lon are overweight, that nail will carry them. Also, when something goes wrong, it can stop the length growth and rewind. You can't do these with magnetic nails. It can break or perishable.

There are some things that are not in the video and are not written on the internet. Those who have surgery on the femur and have problems are more common. Even cyborg4life says this. Cosmetically, the tibia is always good. Femur only if your femur is short.

Cookie Girl · « **Reply #42 on:** March 22, 2023, 04:25:24 PM »

Tibias always look sexier. Long femurs don't look good. That's why women wear heels. If 2 girls are next to each other and they are the same height, we will see the girl wearing high heels taller. This is how our brain works. Why are you trying to insist people on your truth here?

ballsackoffury123 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 22, 2023, 07:23:26 PM »

femur vs tibia is such a dumb debate. they're literally both fine. tibia is just usually a little bit more expensive since it's more complicated. And it heals slower, and usually you would not be able to lengthen it as much as your femur. But they are both friggen fine.

The only dumb thing to do is the LON method because it is cheaper. External complications are just not worth it. And again, yes there are many successful LON patients, but the potential for infection is an EASY deal breaker

Werewolf · « **Reply #44 on:** March 22, 2023, 08:00:55 PM »

Quote from: ballsackoffury123 on March 22, 2023, 07:23:26 PM

femur vs tibia is such a dumb debate. they're literally both fine. tibia is just usually a little bit more expensive since it's more complicated. And it heals slower, and usually you would not be able to lengthen it as much as your femur. But they are both friggen fine.

The only dumb thing to do is the LON method because it is cheaper. External complications are just not worth it. And again, yes there are many successful LON patients, but the potential for infection is an EASY deal breaker

What are the external complications? If the bone is warped, it can be fixed with a fixator, you can only do this with lon. It has a carrying capacity of up to 160 kg. Look for internal patients with bone infections. They were not the lon method.
If there's a dumb here, it's you. Most people here do these surgeries with their own money. You look like someone who takes money from his family. People can do whatever they want, even change gender. what does it mean to call them dumb? I guess your mother didn't teach you manners. But I can teach. I can't stand fools like you.
The only problems with the lon method are sleep - pin infection - and scars.
Btw who are you Did you have surgery ? do you have the money to do this? Courage? It is very simple to talk on the Internet and write articles.
Many patients survived this process without infection. Also, that infection is in the skin, not in the bone. The risk of bone infection is the same as internals.
If only slavery had not been abolished. To be equal with such idiots... there are 3 idiots on this forum right now. 1-Becker's wife kanye western 2-DwarfDanishviking 3- This person
Most people are smarter than you. He fearlessly wants to put all his weight on his feet. Physical therapy done this way is better. There is a risk of breakage of external magnetic nails. Giving unsupported weights is never recommended. Even if it carries the weight, the nail does not inspire confidence. It can deteriorate and break. Extension is canceled because there is no fixator outside. You can stay with 1 cm lengthening. Do you understand now, dumb boy?

ballsackoffury123 · « **Reply #45 on:** March 22, 2023, 09:18:50 PM »

Quote from: Werewolf on March 22, 2023, 08:00:55 PM

What are the external complications? If the bone is warped, it can be fixed with a fixator, you can only do this with lon. It has a carrying capacity of up to 160 kg. Look for internal patients with bone infections. They were not the lon method.
If there's a dumb here, it's you. Most people here do these surgeries with their own money. You look like someone who takes money from his family. People can do whatever they want, even change gender. what does it mean to call them dumb? I guess your mother didn't teach you manners. But I can teach. I can't stand fools like you.
The only problems with the lon method are sleep - pin infection - and scars.
Btw who are you Did you have surgery ? do you have the money to do this? Courage? It is very simple to talk on the Internet and write articles.
Many patients survived this process without infection. Also, that infection is in the skin, not in the bone. The risk of bone infection is the same as internals.
If only slavery had not been abolished. To be equal with such idiots... there are 3 idiots on this forum right now. 1-Becker's wife kanye western 2-DwarfDanishviking 3- This person
Most people are smarter than you. He fearlessly wants to put all his weight on his feet. Physical therapy done this way is better. There is a risk of breakage of external magnetic nails. Giving unsupported weights is never recommended. Even if it carries the weight, the nail does not inspire confidence. It can deteriorate and break. Extension is canceled because there is no fixator outside. You can stay with 1 cm lengthening. Do you understand now, dumb boy?

I'm gonna be honest. I didn't read most of what you said because of the terrible English. But yes, I am talking about the infections complication with LON which is why there no western surgeons offering it. Western surgeons wont take unnecessary risk because they can be sued very easily. I don't really care what you choose to do lol, I am just stating the facts. And if you are too ignorant, that is fine too. LON has more complications than internal nails, that is a 100% fact and if you want to disagree with that, what a waste of time and everyone is laughing at you.
That doesn't mean everyone can afford the Precise nail and may have to resort to LON. That is fine, everyone is in different financial situations. You are a lot more poor than me so you should take the chances, since you cant afford the safer choice. I support you man!

Werewolf · « **Reply #46 on:** March 22, 2023, 09:42:03 PM »

Quote from: ballsackoffury123 on March 22, 2023, 09:18:50 PM

I'm gonna be honest. I didn't read most of what you said because of the terrible English. But yes, I am talking about the infections complication with LON which is why there no western surgeons offering it. Western surgeons wont take unnecessary risk because they can be sued very easily. I don't really care what you choose to do lol, I am just stating the facts. And if you are too ignorant, that is fine too. LON has more complications than internal nails, that is a 100% fact and if you want to disagree with that, what a waste of time and everyone is laughing at you.
That doesn't mean everyone can afford the Precise nail and may have to resort to LON. That is fine, everyone is in different financial situations. You are a lot more poor than me so you should take the chances, since you cant afford the safer choice. I support you man!

I looked at your profile, you are a fake diary. Another pathetic person who claims to have surgery without pictures and videos. You should have uploaded the X-ray pictures

western surgeons who are telling the truth don't do it for money. Their only goal is to make more money. How do you know everyone is laughing at me? How can you see everyone? I think you are schizophrenic. How do you know that I am poorer than you? What do the risks and advantages of surgery have to do with money? If lon was more expensive, I would defend lon. And I'm sure all surgeons in Europe would do it. It's really hard to talk to stupid people. Also you call me poor, I swear I have enough money to rent your mother for a day. Not everyone gets money from their whore mother like you.

Werewolf · « **Reply #47 on:** March 22, 2023, 09:57:19 PM »

Quote from: ballsackoffury123 on March 21, 2023, 01:45:09 AM

Prob just a regular session of bowel movement, so I know there's still more poop in me. Shoving the Dulcolax in my ass worked like a charm. It doesnt hurt, feel weird, and I'm not even gay. Apply some lube when you are sitting down in the toilet, shove it in with your index finger. You'll in an hour or so.

@ballsackoffury123 an article from this idiot's diary

He also stays on Airbnb because it is expensive to stay in a hotel. Hey poor. I can support you financially but I want your girlfriend and sister. I can be a sugar daddy. I would like to try this Dulcolax on your sister or girlfriend's gut

Werewolf · « **Reply #48 on:** March 22, 2023, 10:12:39 PM »

Quote from: ballsackoffury123 on March 22, 2023, 09:18:50 PM

I'm gonna be honest. I am just stating the facts.

The owner of this video is the disabled of limb lengthening surgery youtube channel. Go to the about section of this youtube channel.
Read the article there, especially this part "I am still receiving treatment in China now . I have had my nail removed and external fixators installed"
It's not less risky just because it's more expensive. The infection in the lon is a skin infection. It does not come into contact with the bone.
I wish the person in this video a speedy recovery, I hope he gets well soon. I wish these idiots were like this instead of these people.

The only dumb thing isn't to lon. Don't you write such stupid articles. My fault. I'm speaking to someone who's trying to put something in their gut...
A lot of people on this forum did lon, including the admin. Now instead of calling these people dumb, tell yourself and your family. I will ignore you now. Now go and keep sticking things in your gut.

ballsackoffury123 · « **Reply #49 on:** March 22, 2023, 10:30:29 PM »

yeah lol you clearly have issues. have fun with life bud, im out lol. If I thought you were normal, I'd prob argue some more. But I feel sorry for you so gonna ignore you and let you continue with your life lol. byeeeeee

Werewolf · « **Reply #50 on:** March 22, 2023, 10:49:00 PM »

Quote from: ballsackoffury123 on March 22, 2023, 10:30:29 PM

yeah lol you clearly have issues. have fun with life bud, im out lol. If I thought you were normal, I'd prob argue some more. But I feel sorry for you so gonna ignore you and let you continue with your life lol. byeeeeee

Like the word of someone who has nothing to answer. As if there was anything else left to discuss. What can you still defend? Think before you write anything. Or it will be like this. Also what is "byeeeeee"
Anyway, you've learned your lesson now. Now get lost kiddo and don't speak in generalities again. Other people ignore and don't care about you because they are mature and smart. But I can't stand people like you.
Welcome to the fked by me list 1-Kanye western fked. 2- Danishviking fked. Now 3 - Ballsackoffury123 fked

BYE DUMB

goingtall · « **Reply #51 on:** March 23, 2023, 02:52:53 AM »

People are losing their minds here... Let's get back to topic!

The second doctor I consulted gave me the estimate budget for the femur lengthening.

As I said, I already have a shorter femur than usual and I'm going to do the femur because my tibia is already too long compared to the rest of my body.

He's written on the service budget "Stretching with intramedullary nail with a retrograde entry through the knee". Translated as best as I could LOL

So in the end it's really the LON on the femur with intramedullary nails.

Final cost of USD 28k, 2 months physiotherapy included. Also included here is the 2nd surgery to remove the titanium nails from inside the femurs.

Gonna think about while I await consultation with the 3rd Doctor

Kyuss · « **Reply #52 on:** March 26, 2023, 03:34:15 PM »

Quote from: Werewolf on March 22, 2023, 09:57:19 PM

@ballsackoffury123 an article from this idiot's diary
He also stays on Airbnb because it is expensive to stay in a hotel. Hey poor. I can support you financially but I want your girlfriend and sister. I can be a sugar daddy. I would like to try this Dulcolax on your sister or girlfriend's gut

wtf is wrong with you?! the only impression you leave here, is being a retarded dumbfk with a huge inferiority complex 🤡😂

Unknown · « **Reply #53 on:** March 27, 2023, 10:53:10 AM »

Don't do LON femurs, its barbaric torture. If you cant afford internal femurs go for LON tibias, or save more for it!!

Shiaro · « **Reply #54 on:** March 27, 2023, 04:20:27 PM »

dont let these skeptics scare you. you can do lon on femurs, many patients do. just find a good surgeon

Fireworks196 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 27, 2023, 09:52:37 PM »

LON femurs is more sacrificed than the tibia but nothing special, it just depends on the person. Just make sure you have good quality flex before surgery.

oklama · « **Reply #56 on:** March 27, 2023, 11:57:46 PM »

you CAN do LON femurs, but LON Femurs should only be done if your alternative is suicide.

Fireworks196 · « **Reply #57 on:** March 28, 2023, 11:08:10 AM »

come on sir dramatic, there have been successful segments in both tibia and femur with LON, regardless of the method there will always be risks, that is why cooperation between doctor and patient is important for the success of the operation.

DanishViking · « **Reply #58 on:** March 28, 2023, 12:06:54 PM »

I agree! The extreme pain, the constant infections and the muscle scarring! Avoid it at all costs unless you want to risk your legs life...

goingtall · « **Reply #59 on:** March 28, 2023, 12:51:59 PM »

Quote from: Fireworks196 on March 27, 2023, 09:52:37 PM

LON femurs is more sacrificed than the tibia but nothing special, it just depends on the person. Just make sure you have good quality flex before surgery.

What do you mean with "good quality flex" ?

goingtall · « **Reply #60 on:** March 31, 2023, 04:59:42 PM »

Talked to a new doctor the day before yesterday

He suggested that I did the femur stretch one leg at a time so I wouldn't need a wheelchair for the recovery period.

I found it strange, because I would have one leg longer than the other for a period. It is common?

Or most people do both femurs at once?

Fireworks196 · « **Reply #61 on:** April 01, 2023, 01:33:52 AM »

I meant a good flexibility. By the way, it's the first time I've heard something like that, it sounds a bit atypical. Would you mind saying the name of your new doctor?

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