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Kanye Western

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The stigma around LL
« on: February 04, 2023, 01:32:44 PM »

I just don't understand why this surgery is so looked down on.

We've normalized teeth surgery, hair transplants, nose/breast jobs etc, but not this.

This whole stigma to "love yourself" is utter B.S when the subject of LL is brought up.

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Re: The stigma around LL
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2023, 03:55:19 PM »

Everyone needs braces or Invisalign or something to some extent and it's usually done as kids so hard to put anyone down for it. I'd argue hair transplants only has less stigma than before. Basically in the Western societies the reality is women are never supposed to be body shamed and are called brave for cosmetic surgeries. However, men are body shamed and criticized for cosmetic surgery. No woman gets cancelled for saying "manlet" or "small dck energy" etc. but imagine a man calling a woman names. He'd be called a misogynist and cancelled. The reality is there is a double standard to the detriment of men in society. I'm not complaining, just pointing it out. Additionally, LL affects what women arguably care about the most, height... Women can wear makeup and go from troll 3 to fake hottie 8 and brag about it and be praised, but men are told to just be themselves... Patriarchy or not it's a gynocentric society in the West from a cultural stand point. Additionally, because of the costs time and money and risks involved LL is that much more of an easy target. Again I'm not a MRA or complaining, but the reality is you've touched on something which is simply an example of a larger dynamic and double standard in western society.



Imagine that commercial but gender flipped with "she's a whale". AT&T would get boycotted and go bankrupt. It is what it is...
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Re: The stigma around LL
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2023, 04:12:43 PM »

I just don't understand why this surgery is so looked down on.

We've normalized teeth surgery, hair transplants, nose/breast jobs etc, but not this.

This whole stigma to "love yourself" is utter B.S when the subject of LL is brought up.

Normies hate when people even the playing field. There is literally so much research on the effects of LL. While it does reduce mobility and peak performance, most unbutched and successful cases go on to live fulfilling lives and often leave this surgery behind. Just do a simple search on research papers. People like to think of height as predetermined and theres nth they can do. If something comes out and is hard to do, most people will not have the courage to do it and therefore sour grapes wants them to discourage others from benefitting from it. Imagine how jealous someone of your height will be when you become 3 inches taller than him in adulthood.
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Re: The stigma around LL
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2023, 04:16:35 PM »

I'm not sure it's all that looked down on. The worst members of the "short guys got no reason to live" crowd may resent our attempt to surgically get out of the 2nd class citizen status that they've assigned to us. But that's preservation of an existing prejudice.

It's an extreme surgery that costs a lot of money and takes a lot of time. I think it's more shocking than anything else to most good people who are accepting of other cosmetic surgeries.
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Re: The stigma around LL
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2023, 04:28:59 PM »

I just don't understand why this surgery is so looked down on.

We've normalized teeth surgery, hair transplants, nose/breast jobs etc, but not this.

This whole stigma to "love yourself" is utter B.S when the subject of LL is brought up.

Theres a bit of stigma with nose and breast implants still.

Personally I dont like when women get breast implants because I find it absurd they have this foreign cancer causing object in their body that needs regular maintenance.  But nose jobs I dont care at all.

As a general point, women get many little procedures done in private and dont tell anyone about it.  So I feel like they would be the most understanding.  I can guarantee you will be joked about behind your back with men though if you tell people about it.  So best to just not say anything.


Realistically though can you really get mad at people having a reaction or joking about you if they find out?  This surgery is by all means extreme and a bit absurd...as someone who is doing it.  If my friends found out and poked fun at me I would definitely say yeah its an insane thing I did and laugh about it instead of getting defensive.  If you get defensive you are literally fighting the world because nobody is going to just causally nod their head and say oh yeah no big deal you had CLL.  But I do think real friends will have a laugh and then come around to understanding why you did it instead of just bashing you repeatedly.
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Re: The stigma around LL
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2023, 03:57:40 AM »

It's because people are scared of the idea of broken bones.  Also, other people (mostly other guys if you're a guy because of competition) want you to do well but not better than them.  Naturally tall guys hate the idea that their height isn't as valuable anymore because more people can get up to their level now. 

I was just reading comments on a LL Before and After TikTok and there was this guy who was 195cm bragging about how the guy in the LL video was still shorter than him even after LL.  Nobody would say sh*t like that if they didn't feel like their ego was taking a hit     

Deep down, people who truly care about your happiness wouldn't give a sh*t if you did the surgery or not. 

A lot of men who do this surgery already have a wife who loves them and because of that the wife sees the surgery as a net positive.  I mean, what woman wouldn't want a taller version of their husband. 
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Re: Re: The stigma around LL
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2023, 08:34:57 AM »

Maybe because it seems very brutal and getting taller does not have worths of sacrificing your body like that. The stigmas are only understood by those who really have height neurosises.
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Re: Re: Re: The stigma around LL
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2023, 01:01:25 PM »

A lot of people have fear of change, so they will fear a surgery that removes the concept of "height is a bless and you cannot change it, deal with it" to "just choose your height". Of course, we are not in the "just choose your height" stage, but we can modify the stature up to around 15 cm (6'') without too much problems. It's not too easy or cheap for the moment, but it's not a closed door and you can become taller if you really want and you have enough money.

Some people will keep telling "Don't DO it, YoU ARe dESTroYIng YouR HEalhTY legs, JusT WEar LIfTS, move TO a ForeIGn CounTRY anD LovE YouRSElf" of something similar to that, but people will trust less those fake argumentations when more and more people get taller without those catastrophic consequences if the procedure is well done. It's just like driving a car, if you drive speeding, drunk and watching your phone, you can have a car accident, but that doesn't that driving a car leads to have a car accident.
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Re: Re: Re: The stigma around LL
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2023, 04:47:58 PM »

There isnt any stigma. Most people dont know it even exists.
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Re: Re: Re: The stigma around LL
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2023, 05:41:38 PM »

There isnt any stigma. Most people dont know it even exists.

I think this is a bit outdated.  GQ had a story on their front page about it and Jack Harlow just joked about it in a commercial or something.  People talk about it on reddit.  Its a known thing.  Assume those scars on your legs will be a tell all in the future as it gains more steam.  Which I hate so say as Im getting this done currently.  Luckily the scars are minimal with internals.
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Re: The stigma around LL
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2023, 08:08:21 PM »

One major factor was this episode on Grey's Anatomy which totally misrepresented leg lengthening surgery when it was first aired in 2009.

Review of Grey's Anatomy Episode on Leg Lengthening Surgery
https://youtu.be/A9CZ-d9C4oQ
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Re: The stigma around LL
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2023, 12:12:12 AM »

One major factor was this episode on Grey's Anatomy which totally misrepresented leg lengthening surgery when it was first aired in 2009.

Review of Grey's Anatomy Episode on Leg Lengthening Surgery
https://youtu.be/A9CZ-d9C4oQ
I agree you. I don't like Grey's Anatomy because of that.
It's because people are scared of the idea of broken bones.  Also, other people (mostly other guys if you're a guy because of competition) want you to do well but not better than them.  Naturally tall guys hate the idea that their height isn't as valuable anymore because more people can get up to their level now. 

I was just reading comments on a LL Before and After TikTok and there was this guy who was 195cm bragging about how the guy in the LL video was still shorter than him even after LL.  Nobody would say sh*t like that if they didn't feel like their ego was taking a hit     

Deep down, people who truly care about your happiness wouldn't give a sh*t if you did the surgery or not. 

A lot of men who do this surgery already have a wife who loves them and because of that the wife sees the surgery as a net positive.  I mean, what woman wouldn't want a taller version of their husband.
100% agree.
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Note: at this moment I'm only a "pretender", I want to know more about this interesting procedure. Hopping to become 185 cm (6'1'') from 174 cm (5'8 ½''), but it is too expensive.
My sitting height is 92½ - 94 cm (36''½ 37''), my length of legs is 81 cm (32'') and my armspan is 180 cm (70'' 7/8).

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Re: The stigma around LL
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2023, 12:26:23 AM »

One major factor was this episode on Grey's Anatomy which totally misrepresented leg lengthening surgery when it was first aired in 2009.

Review of Grey's Anatomy Episode on Leg Lengthening Surgery
https://youtu.be/A9CZ-d9C4oQ

Wow, they made the guy a quarter inch shorter. Absolutely brutal lmao. The show added insult to injury.
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Re: The stigma around LL
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2023, 02:54:57 AM »

here are the reasons for the stigma

1. it is a ridiculous sounding procedure, its basically as retarded of a procedure as you can get done on face value

2. people are mad we are evening the playing field and getting rid of our social stigmas

3. being short is so strongly looked down upon that anything associated with it will automatically also be looked down upon


it causes people to have to confront that the fact that for someone short, becoming taller is objectively better, and that human beings do, in fact, judge everyone based on appearance. Nowadays people like to act like we are all angels who dont let appearance effect our opinions.
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Re: The stigma around LL
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2023, 08:58:19 AM »

here are the reasons for the stigma

1. it is a ridiculous sounding procedure, its basically as retarded of a procedure as you can get done on face value

2. people are mad we are evening the playing field and getting rid of our social stigmas

3. being short is so strongly looked down upon that anything associated with it will automatically also be looked down upon


it causes people to have to confront that the fact that for someone short, becoming taller is objectively better, and that human beings do, in fact, judge everyone based on appearance. Nowadays people like to act like we are all angels who dont let appearance effect our opinions.

Based comment. For the most part, being taller as a guy is almost objectively more attractive up to a ridiculous amount.(maybe more than 6'5) is getting into giant zone.
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Re: The stigma around LL
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2023, 03:41:18 AM »

Based comment. For the most part, being taller as a guy is almost objectively more attractive up to a ridiculous amount.(maybe more than 6'5) is getting into giant zone.

yeah but its not as big of a deal after 5'7/5'8 or so atleast in America.. and really diminishing returns after 5'10... I think at that point you can compete pretty well
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Re: The stigma around LL
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2023, 09:39:17 AM »

It's an extreme surgery that costs a lot of money and takes a lot of time. I think it's more shocking than anything else to most good people who are accepting of other cosmetic surgeries.
I agree.
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