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For context, I am 5'7.5" roughly on average. I was always the smallest kid growing up in my class (or second smallest) but when I eventually hit puberty and got my growth spurt I thought "Wow, finally. Good enough. 5'7" is decent. I'm not tall, but I'm pretty normal height now. I am sure this will be good enough." Right? Wrong.

There are three areas I perceived problems with my height in my life:

1) Couldn't keep up in sports being so small, but this was never THAT important. It upset me when I was 12 and couldn't make any of the teams anymore. But it wasn't the end of the world. Past 15 it was irrelevant.

2) Physical dominance around other guys is difficult. Ie. If there is an altercation, I must always play down the escalation as I cannot stand a chance in a fight. (I am not a "stocky" 5'7" but rather have very slim feminine bones so have never had much muscle mass either despite working out.) Probably this is for the best though as it means I've never been in a real fight.

3) Rejection from women. I have had virtually no opportunities for dating with women I find attractive in my life. That's despite trying very hard to improve everything I can to make this better. Even becoming successful and relatively wealthy has not helped this issue.

I can make friends of any kind pretty easily including women. Two of my best friends are women. But I cannot get "likes" or "matches" on dating apps with women I would find attractive and if I try to talk to women in bars and clubs I mostly get instantly rejected like ignored or one word answers or "I have a boyfriend" in a way my taller/whiter and more handsome friends don't.

This has been a huge gaping hole in my life which is now feeling even more empty as I get older. I am well aware that many people are 5'7" and do well with women. But the ones I know are usually one or all of white and/or handsome and/or very stocky which I am none of. I have already had facial surgeries which improved my life a lot but it is risky to do more. Whereas, leg lengthening is in some ways safer - at least it is uncut bone and avoids all the complex facial nerves (unlike going for more jaw/facial surgery).

I think there has never been a more important time in life to be considered physically attractive as a man to women and 90%+ of that in English countries is being tall, being white, being handsome, and being fit. Out of those, only one is within your control, and even that has been ruined by all the rampant steroid users on Instagram/Youtube setting unrealistic expectations.

So this is why I keep coming back to this forum year after year wanting LL. If a good weight-bearing nail was available I would still do it. I keep waiting. I can't take off 6 months otherwise. It is too bad re: Stryde 2.

I often read people talking about how "you should only do LL for yourself and not for others" but that has never been my perspective. I don't derive my identity from my height. My body is just something I got through random chance. If it wasn't for the women issue, I wouldn't really care very much. It would be nicer to be taller, but not nice enough to compromise my natural mechanics over. But I just want to have the best quality of life I can, any way I can. And finding possible opportunities for dating and sxx with women I would like is the hardest thing there is for me.

I am getting older each year. It becomes more obvious with each year that I need to live some in the ways that matter to me before I die. Otherwise maybe I need to move to another country where they physical requirements women place on men are different, but that is hard when you have a job and parents that need you, etc.

Anyone else had any similar or different thoughts? Just curious what others have reflected on this.

[1team]

How old are you and what type of women are you going for?

[Medium Drink Of Water]

You speak a lot of truth there and a lot of it sounds familiar to me because I lived it.  Some of my random thoughts:

Stay away from online dating.  I can't get any matches either at 5'10.  The only thing I know of that works is to get her attention IRL by impressing her in some way.  Then you can talk to her and maybe have a chance.  Doing what you're dong now probably still won't work after LL.  Some guys just have that magic charisma that lets them get girls with a pick-up line.  I don't and I'm guessing you don't either.

Are your standards too high?  Take a critical look at yourself and imagine you're her: would you date you?  If not, don't even bother trying.

Maybe you missed the boat.  I'm glad I did it in 2007, but in 2023, are those women even worth breaking your legs for anymore?  Looking for love abroad at 5'7 might give you a better result than you'd get with a successful Stryde LL.

[Confidence]

In university I knew a guy who was 5'6 and hooked up with different girls pretty much every weekend.  The caveat was that he was good looking, fit, and had an extroverted personality/natural charisma which made him just fun to be around with.

It sounds really cliche to say but in the dating scene, the whole package counts.  Height is just one factor.  The reason why a lot of people make such a big deal out of height is because it is the most quantifiable trait in a person that factors into their physical attractiveness.  It's harder to quantify how charismatic/confident, how good looking, and how fit a person is compared to how tall they are.  In reality, it's all of those things that will give you success with women.  Whenever women talk about how they want a tall man, they assume the guy is already good looking, confident, and takes care of himself.

My point is, LL will probably make you more successful with women but the difference probably won't be as drastic as you think.  That is why a lot of people say you should do this surgery for yourself and not for others.  If you do it for others, you'll only be disappointed in the long run

[informationispower]

Maybe you missed the boat.  I'm glad I did it in 2007, but in 2023, are those women even worth breaking your legs for anymore?  Looking for love abroad at 5'7 might give you a better result than you'd get with a successful Stryde LL.

What do you mean by missed the boat? As he is too old now or that many women today compared to 2007 are not worth it?

[Quintet]

What do you mean by missed the boat? As he is too old now or that many women today compared to 2007 are not worth it?

He wanted to indicate the reason why OP did not get women was that he did not take stock of the situation well and aspired to successfully get the women, instead of his height.

[lessthanavg8300]

In university I knew a guy who was 5'6 and hooked up with different girls pretty much every weekend.  The caveat was that he was good looking, fit, and had an extroverted personality/natural charisma which made him just fun to be around with.

It sounds really cliche to say but in the dating scene, the whole package counts.  Height is just one factor.  The reason why a lot of people make such a big deal out of height is because it is the most quantifiable trait in a person that factors into their physical attractiveness.  It's harder to quantify how charismatic/confident, how good looking, and how fit a person is compared to how tall they are.  In reality, it's all of those things that will give you success with women.  Whenever women talk about how they want a tall man, they assume the guy is already good looking, confident, and takes care of himself.

My point is, LL will probably make you more successful with women but the difference probably won't be as drastic as you think.  That is why a lot of people say you should do this surgery for yourself and not for others.  If you do it for others, you'll only be disappointed in the long run

Im this guy.  Ive banged probably 30+ hot girls in my life.  The issue is that you're basically a walking dildo for women, few of the really attractive ones will actually date you. And when they do you're walking on egg shells to keep it together...like my last relationship that ended.  Theres a huge difference in being f-ckable and dateable/marryable.

I will say my standards are high and I could have just settled down with a mediocre chick.  But what fun is that?

But to answer your question, its not just for girls.  I just feel uncomfortable around men and women at my height of 5'7.  Its just constantly awkward to be well under eye-level.  Like you cant even have a conversation with someone a head taller than you.  You look dumb in group photos.  I felt like a walking clown at 5'7.  Its the dumbest height and Im honestly bitter I even had to get this surgery to fix this  .  Just hope it works out in the end.

[SpeedDialer]

100%

Great insights

[short but sweet]

As a guy in my mid 20's , I can definitely say I'm doing LL 100% for getting more girls
I'm above average looking and get laid , but I feel sad thinking how much more I'm missing out due of my height(quality and quantity)
also, almost all the current zoomer girls in the 18-23 age range are all my height(5'5),so its quite intimidating approaching them , since the chance of rejection is very high
After I become taller , I'll have more confidence and more girls will find me attractive

I have already had facial surgeries

what surgeries did you get ?

regarding the waiting for weight bearing nails , why don't you try betz bone or G-nail ?

[HeightGain]

A guy at my university was way smaller than you, about 5'2. He would try it on with every woman, whether they had a partner or not. He lived in the gym but had an awful physique as he looked disproportionate. He had a warped body image thinking he was top tier attractive facially, when in reality he was average.

He got a decent amount of less desirable women, but at what cost? He wasn't popular with men or women and he had major self esteem and mental issues.

I think you need to be yourself and impress women in ways that are harmonious with you. Acting like your 6'4 when you're a foot smaller will come across as desperate and delusional.

The guys that I've seen that have been most successful with women are average height, facially good looking and intelligent. They're comfortable with who they are. LL will get you a small part of the way there but other things matter more.

[JJ299]

For context, I am 5'7.5" roughly on average. I was always the smallest kid growing up in my class (or second smallest) but when I eventually hit puberty and got my growth spurt I thought "Wow, finally. Good enough. 5'7" is decent. I'm not tall, but I'm pretty normal height now. I am sure this will be good enough." Right? Wrong.

There are three areas I perceived problems with my height in my life:

1) Couldn't keep up in sports being so small, but this was never THAT important. It upset me when I was 12 and couldn't make any of the teams anymore. But it wasn't the end of the world. Past 15 it was irrelevant.

2) Physical dominance around other guys is difficult. Ie. If there is an altercation, I must always play down the escalation as I cannot stand a chance in a fight. (I am not a "stocky" 5'7" but rather have very slim feminine bones so have never had much muscle mass either despite working out.) Probably this is for the best though as it means I've never been in a real fight.

3) Rejection from women. I have had virtually no opportunities for dating with women I find attractive in my life. That's despite trying very hard to improve everything I can to make this better. Even becoming successful and relatively wealthy has not helped this issue.

I can make friends of any kind pretty easily including women. Two of my best friends are women. But I cannot get "likes" or "matches" on dating apps with women I would find attractive and if I try to talk to women in bars and clubs I mostly get instantly rejected like ignored or one word answers or "I have a boyfriend" in a way my taller/whiter and more handsome friends don't.

This has been a huge gaping hole in my life which is now feeling even more empty as I get older. I am well aware that many people are 5'7" and do well with women. But the ones I know are usually one or all of white and/or handsome and/or very stocky which I am none of. I have already had facial surgeries which improved my life a lot but it is risky to do more. Whereas, leg lengthening is in some ways safer - at least it is uncut bone and avoids all the complex facial nerves (unlike going for more jaw/facial surgery).

I think there has never been a more important time in life to be considered physically attractive as a man to women and 90%+ of that in English countries is being tall, being white, being handsome, and being fit. Out of those, only one is within your control, and even that has been ruined by all the rampant steroid users on Instagram/Youtube setting unrealistic expectations.

So this is why I keep coming back to this forum year after year wanting LL. If a good weight-bearing nail was available I would still do it. I keep waiting. I can't take off 6 months otherwise. It is too bad re: Stryde 2.

I often read people talking about how "you should only do LL for yourself and not for others" but that has never been my perspective. I don't derive my identity from my height. My body is just something I got through random chance. If it wasn't for the women issue, I wouldn't really care very much. It would be nicer to be taller, but not nice enough to compromise my natural mechanics over. But I just want to have the best quality of life I can, any way I can. And finding possible opportunities for dating and sxx with women I would like is the hardest thing there is for me.

I am getting older each year. It becomes more obvious with each year that I need to live some in the ways that matter to me before I die. Otherwise maybe I need to move to another country where they physical requirements women place on men are different, but that is hard when you have a job and parents that need you, etc.

Anyone else had any similar or different thoughts? Just curious what others have reflected on this.

I would say it's a perk but personally wouldn't get it if dating girls is your only reason, but again if you have the financial means to burn 50k+ and 4 months then it's not too unreasonable. The reason 99% of the people that know LL don't get is because of the financial investment + if you work a job that requires you to be present to a workplace then you pretty much have to quit or convince your employer you need a 4 month vacation.

[Kanye Western]

I’m getting LL to overcome my anxiety. I’m a good looking guy who does well with women but I close myself off all the time. This is my only flaw and it’s related to my height.

This isn’t just associated with women but with meeting new people or friends etc.

[10cm Tibia]

I’m getting LL to overcome my anxiety. I’m a good looking guy who does well with women but I close myself off all the time. This is my only flaw and it’s related to my height.

This isn’t just associated with women but with meeting new people or friends etc.

Nothing will change if you get LL. If you were already handsome, you wouldn't wear it so much around your neck. Also, I don't think that 1.73 cm will get you matched on tinder.

[Unknown]

Thats the main point, height really doesnt give you that much of an advantage besides dating if you are at least average height or slightly below.