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[the188cmdream]

I told my mom about wanting to get this surgery and other surgeries (notably infra orbital rim implants).
My parents never assisted me financially in my previous surgeries (hair transplant, gynecomastia removal), but I still felt the need to tell them. I told her before our discussion that I have many problems and that I am not comfortable talking to her about them because I often feel like she doesn't support me neither emotionally nor financially and telling her just ends up creating more problems. We argued for a while but at some point she was willing to listen. I don't expect financial help, I am fortunate to have a very high paying job right out of university. Despite this, part of me felt an urge to tell my parents, but part of me also felt like telling them would be a huge mistake.

When she was ready to listen I told her about how I felt and why I wanted to do these cosmetic surgeries. I told her about the recovery time, success rate, safety, etc... I feel like telling my mom was a very good decision. Nothing has changed, but now I feel more honest and my mind is free from another worry "what if my parents find out". I also feel like I can get emotional support if I need to.

I just felt like I had to share since I read many posts saying "don't tell your parents". My parents are religious and not exactly the most open to cosmetic surgeries, but if you are willing to really and I mean really open up about all your problems without getting angry, then I think telling them is a good idea.

My current plan is to go from 177 cm to 186 or 187 cm via quadrilateral (surgeries 3 weeks apart) limb lengthening.

[Kanye Western]

Man you're almost 5'10. What honestly in your current life is causing you so much height dysphoria?

[the188cmdream]

Man you're almost 5'10. What honestly in your current life is causing you so much height dysphoria?

I am frequently told I look disproportional and squareish, I have very large shoulders for my height and I completely agree with the criticism. My wingspan is bordering 6'3 and men in my family are much taller than me 6'1-6'3 including my brothers in law (sisters bf and his brother) and it just makes me feel like a child when I am next to them. Also 5'10, generally speaking, is not necessarily a "great height" you will very very rarely get   for your height but it still happens.

Despite everything I said above those are just "excuse". The reason why I have height dysphoria is simply because I feel short, I have a difficult time enjoying myself outside when I am constantly comparing my height with everyone else. I just want my mind to be free.

It's worth noting that while the general population is 5'10, when you walk around a "prestigious" university campus it certainly doesnt feel like it (maybe it just the dysphoria at work). I think the dysphoria is at the very least partly a product of my surrounding.

[lessthanavg8300]

I told my mom about wanting to get this surgery and other surgeries (notably infra orbital rim implants).
My parents never assisted me financially in my previous surgeries (hair transplant, gynecomastia removal), but I still felt the need to tell them. I told her before our discussion that I have many problems and that I am not comfortable talking to her about them because I often feel like she doesn't support me neither emotionally nor financially and telling her just ends up creating more problems. We argued for a while but at some point she was willing to listen. I don't expect financial help, I am fortunate to have a very high paying job right out of university. Despite this, part of me felt an urge to tell my parents, but part of me also felt like telling them would be a huge mistake.

When she was ready to listen I told her about how I felt and why I wanted to do these cosmetic surgeries. I told her about the recovery time, success rate, safety, etc... I feel like telling my mom was a very good decision. Nothing has changed, but now I feel more honest and my mind is free from another worry "what if my parents find out". I also feel like I can get emotional support if I need to.

I just felt like I had to share since I read many posts saying "don't tell your parents". My parents are religious and not exactly the most open to cosmetic surgeries, but if you are willing to really and I mean really open up about all your problems without getting angry, then I think telling them is a good idea.

My current plan is to go from 177 cm to 186 or 187 cm via quadrilateral (surgeries 3 weeks apart) limb lengthening.

I think you're doing too much my man.  You're going on your 3rd and 4th plastic surgery procedure and you're only 22.  Its not a good trajectory.  Plastic surgery addiction is a real thing and unless you want to end up looking like one of the Bognanoff twins id slow it down big time.  You're also taller than average, I dont understand why you would want this surgery at your height.

[Jaki19]

Wow, you are a bad case of body dysmorphia. That’s quite obvious to say the least. Getting LL at 1.77 is absolute insanity + that other garbage surgery

[Kanye Western]

Fair enough bro, but just consider what you're getting yourself into. I'm getting this done in May but every day I feel like pulling the plug because it will be a life changing experience.

I am frequently told I look disproportional and squareish, I have very large shoulders for my height and I completely agree with the criticism. My wingspan is bordering 6'3 and men in my family are much taller than me 6'1-6'3 including my brothers in law (sisters bf and his brother) and it just makes me feel like a child when I am next to them. Also 5'10, generally speaking, is not necessarily a "great height" you will very very rarely get   for your height but it still happens.

Despite everything I said above those are just "excuse". The reason why I have height dysphoria is simply because I feel short, I have a difficult time enjoying myself outside when I am constantly comparing my height with everyone else. I just want my mind to be free.

It's worth noting that while the general population is 5'10, when you walk around a "prestigious" university campus it certainly doesnt feel like it (maybe it just the dysphoria at work). I think the dysphoria is at the very least partly a product of my surrounding.

[the188cmdream]

I think you're doing too much my man.  You're going on your 3rd and 4th plastic surgery procedure and you're only 22.  Its not a good trajectory.  Plastic surgery addiction is a real thing and unless you want to end up looking like one of the Bognanoff twins id slow it down big time.  You're also taller than average, I dont understand why you would want this surgery at your height.

My gyno and balding head were making me very insecure and now that's gone... I never think about it. Those two surgeries were perhaps the single greatest investment I could've made for long-term my mental health (on top of hoping on dutasteride for hair loss). Balding made me feel like I was in a constant race against the clock and stressed me out so much.

I have very very recessed infra orbitals that make me look like I am tired 24/7, it's very annoying and I think about it everyday. My height is also something I think about every single day.

I am not trying to get lip filler cheek implants to have "bigger cheeks" or anything like that, I just want to get rid of the things that make me insecure and cloud my mind. I will not do any other surgery afterwards, all of these things I am "fixing" have been bothering me since puberty. I am not following some craze or new hollywood look. The people following trends are usually the ones that end up like the Bognanoffs.

I really appreciate your concern, but I am not worried about going into a rabbit hole. I am very self aware and I simply want to get these things done while I am young rather than wait till I am old. There is no point to "space the surgeries out" so I end up with 4 surgeries at 30 years old rather 4 surgeries at 25 years old.

[the188cmdream]

Fair enough bro, but just consider what you're getting yourself into. I'm getting this done in May but every day I feel like pulling the plug because it will be a life changing experience.

Please let me know how it went or whether you end up going through with it or not!

[Kanye Western]

Honestly I get the gyno and balding. That would make someone very self conscience. My crown started thinning and was contemplating turkey but luckily minoxidil worked for me  .

Please let me know how it went or whether you end up going through with it or not!

I have my consultation on the 23rd of January so I'll find out more. Regarding yourself, have you done your research on this? What methods you want to do, the total cost and time off you'll need to recover?

[krizza81]

Where you from if you don't mind me asking? Feel like being located in the Northern side of Europe at 177cm LL totally makes sense. I'm your age and will probably get in about 2-3 years.

[the188cmdream]

Honestly I get the gyno and balding. That would make someone very self conscience. My crown started thinning and was contemplating turkey but luckily minoxidil worked for me  .

I have my consultation on the 23rd of January so I'll find out more. Regarding yourself, have you done your research on this? What methods you want to do, the total cost and time off you'll need to recover?

I want to do PRECICE 2.2 on femurs or the STRYDE equivalent if its available in early 2024. For tibias I am still unsure (some people have permanent knee pain after PRECICE on tibia, but it seems to be less of an issue now than before), part of me says "just do 7 cm on femurs, have no complications and call it a day", but part of me also wants to do tibias and do roughly 4.5-5.5 cm on femurs  and 3.5-4.5 cm on tibias.

I am budgeting 150 000 USD$ for this and I am planning roughly 5-6 months of downtime if doing both surgeries 3 weeks apart, 4 months if I only end up doing femurs. I haven't picked a doctor yet, but I am certainly not trying to get myself handicapped.

I want to retain 99% of my "athletic performance potential" if possible. I think that lengthening less but across both femurs and tibias can make that happen long term.

[the188cmdream]

Where you from if you don't mind me asking? Feel like being located in the Northern side of Europe at 177cm LL totally makes sense. I'm your age and will probably get in about 2-3 years.

Canada, east coast. I will be moving to Seattle by the end of the month for my job. I think the average height for people here is 176-178 cm, but that is definitely not the case for my immediate surrounding.

[Jaki19]

Where you from if you don't mind me asking? Feel like being located in the Northern side of Europe at 177cm LL totally makes sense. I'm your age and will probably get in about 2-3 years.

Nope, doesn’t make sense at all. Even in Germany or Scandinavia 1.77 is completely average. No one needs ll at 1.77. you guys are just coping beyond belief, it’s actually insane.

[Kanye Western]

Canada, east coast. I will be moving to Seattle by the end of the month for my job. I think the average height for people here is 176-178 cm, but that is definitely not the case for my immediate surrounding.

Go for it then. Do what's best for you. If you can do is soon, go for it. The longer you wait, the harder it gets.

[lessthanavg8300]

My gyno and balding head were making me very insecure and now that's gone... I never think about it. Those two surgeries were perhaps the single greatest investment I could've made for long-term my mental health (on top of hoping on dutasteride for hair loss). Balding made me feel like I was in a constant race against the clock and stressed me out so much.

I have very very recessed infra orbitals that make me look like I am tired 24/7, it's very annoying and I think about it everyday. My height is also something I think about every single day.

I am not trying to get lip filler cheek implants to have "bigger cheeks" or anything like that, I just want to get rid of the things that make me insecure and cloud my mind. I will not do any other surgery afterwards, all of these things I am "fixing" have been bothering me since puberty. I am not following some craze or new hollywood look. The people following trends are usually the ones that end up like the Bognanoffs.

I really appreciate your concern, but I am not worried about going into a rabbit hole. I am very self aware and I simply want to get these things done while I am young rather than wait till I am old. There is no point to "space the surgeries out" so I end up with 4 surgeries at 30 years old rather 4 surgeries at 25 years old.

Ok well you do you.  Just understand that nobody is perfect and there are things every single person on this planet wishes they could change about themselves.  Obviously Im not in a position to preach, as Im getting LL and I do believe that procedures can help confidence and improve life.  I just worry because you're so young.  Good luck.

[Jaki19]

just live your life at 1.77. ll is not worth the risk at a normal height ffs

[Confidence]

I don't understand why everybody here is dissuading you from doing LL.  Height neurosis is complicated af and is all based on body image and individual perception.  Paley actually discussed this in one of his interviews with Cyborg4Life.  Being unsatisfied with your height can happen at any height whether it be at 160cm or 180cm. 

It's not really our place to judge OP for wanting to do this surgery even tho they're already at an average height.  To OP: if you truly feel like this procedure will make you feel happy then by all means do it but please stay safe and choose a good doctor who has a lot of experience

[1team]

What do you do for work where at 22 you will already have hundreds of thousands to drop on cosmetic surgeries?

[the188cmdream]

What do you do for work where at 22 you will already have hundreds of thousands to drop on cosmetic surgeries?

I am a software engineer, just graduated (today). I will make about 200 000 USD$ when accounting for base salary, stocks (company is public), relocation and signing bonus this upcoming year.

My last internship (I did one each year in university, but the first two didn't pay so well), I was paid roughly 63 CAD$/hr  ~ 47 USD$/hr. That's the money I used for the hair transplant and gynecomastia removal.

I also spend very very little money (apart from the limb lengthening I guess) compared to how much I make/will make (if all goes well).

[TheDream]

Mate you genuinely have body dismorphia.

I’m sure many doctors will take advantage, yoink the money and not give a  .
But you’ll just find something else to obsess about afterwards and start thinking more surgeries.

[the188cmdream]

Honestly reading the replies, this might not be what people are suggesting but I am consulting some friends and going over some photo shopped pics and I might just stick to 7 cm femurs (maybe 8cm). I realize 177 cm is not a bad height generally speaking, but I also want to lengthen enough to stop thinking about height.

[shortisnotfun]

I don't understand why everybody here is dissuading you from doing LL.  Height neurosis is complicated af and is all based on body image and individual perception.  Paley actually discussed this in one of his interviews with Cyborg4Life.  Being unsatisfied with your height can happen at any height whether it be at 160cm or 180cm. 

It's not really our place to judge OP for wanting to do this surgery even tho they're already at an average height.  To OP: if you truly feel like this procedure will make you feel happy then by all means do it but please stay safe and choose a good doctor who has a lot of experience

If you've done LL, you understand how difficult it is. The hardest and most painful thing I've ever done in my life. I literally would not even think of this procedure if I was 5'8+.

[Confidence]

I guarantee 7-8cm will be enough.  Bilateral will be less painful plus that will pretty much already put you in the 6'1 range.  Regardless of the actual numbers, for most people the fact that you did something about your height is already enough to cure height neurosis.  The problem is never your height but how it makes you feel; this is what most people don't understand. 

[the188cmdream]

I guarantee 7-8cm will be enough.  Bilateral will be less painful plus that will pretty much already put you in the 6'1 range.  Regardless of the actual numbers, for most people the fact that you did something about your height is already enough to cure height neurosis.  The problem is never your height but how it makes you feel; this is what most people don't understand.

That's exactly the reasoning I was going through right now, I just need to lengthen enough to not think about height anymore! I am just really worried about lengthening 7-8 cm  (in one bone) as that might limit my athletic abilities.

The silver lining is that my legs are already on the longer side (I don't mind them being longer according to my photoshop edits) and 8 cm is exactly 15% of my femur length.

I am really worried about my athletic performance...

[Confidence]

The fact is it will affect your athletic abilities 100% since your biomechanics are completely going to change.  Even simply squatting your lever arm will be completely different if you do femurs.  It really shouldn't be something you should be worrying about tho unless you're a world class athlete in whatever sport it is you'll be doing. 

[JJ299]

If you know the risks and are ok with the trade-offs then you should go for it but remember this is a surgery that will take an immense toll on both your physical/mental health and quads are even more intense and very few do it ( I saw one JP person that did it 2 years ago and he legit runs like someone that   his pants - but he did all LON 16cm and he's satisfied with the results ).

The best thing you can probably do now is to find a quality Doctor that you can trust and have good basis with.

[Unknown]

The state of this forum. So many clowns wanting to risk their mobility at 5'10. Its diminishing returns past average height, and huge sacrifice. You sound like a looksmaxxer. Whats next after LL? Bimax? Jaw implants?

[Jaki19]

Probably a penis enlargement

[the188cmdream]

The state of this forum. So many clowns wanting to risk their mobility at 5'10. Its diminishing returns past average height, and huge sacrifice. You sound like a looksmaxxer. Whats next after LL? Bimax? Jaw implants?

why would i get bimax or jaw implants? nothing wrong with my jaw... "the state of this forum" is certainly not improving with your condescending attitude.

No one bats an eye when people lengthen to 180 or 181 cm and push for a whole 8 cm increase in femurs to reach that height despite an increase in complication rates... no one questions why they don't just stop at 177 cm but hell rises the moment you start lengthening at 177 cm.

[Siegfried]

jesus christ another looksmaxxer with a normal height wanting to get LL. You live in clownland my friend.

[AllinStryde]

I can't even seriously listen to someone 5'10" talk about quadrilateral, or even bilateral CLL.  Just go and enjoy your life at 5-freaking-10!   .  I'll get hate here...but if you they pay $200K for a new-grad software engineer, I either chose the wrong career-field, or you all are disgustingly overpaid to tap on a keyboard.