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shortisnotfun

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LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« on: December 19, 2022, 07:53:52 AM »

Guys, does anyone know about doing lengthening tibias with no IM nail? The doctor of mine told me my bone gap was too narrow to put a nail in, and he'd be inserting a smaller nail after I completed lengthening when I come to remove the external fixators.

Is this safe? And issue I would have with non union or deformity?
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Re: LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2022, 08:31:09 AM »

Thats like LATN(lengthening and then nailing) basically, its not new and has been done before.
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Re: LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2022, 09:08:54 AM »

Thats like LATN(lengthening and then nailing) basically, its not new and has been done before.

I know, but usually they do with a hexagon lengthening device, not LON
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Re: LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2022, 11:45:12 AM »

I know, but usually they do with a hexagon lengthening device, not LON

LON is not the name of the device but of the technique. The device is called monorail in the case of turkish docs. LON can be done with hexapod as well
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Re: LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2022, 01:28:50 PM »

LON is not the name of the device but of the technique. The device is called monorail in the case of turkish docs. LON can be done with hexapod as well

My main question would be do you think there would be an issue with alignment or non union because I am lengthening with no IM nail?
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Re: LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2022, 03:00:28 PM »

There is no problem with external-only LL.  It's the least invasive method.  You don't even need a second major surgery to remove the frames.  It's the best way in my opinion.
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Re: LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2022, 03:12:46 PM »

There is no problem with external-only LL.  It's the least invasive method.  You don't even need a second major surgery to remove the frames.  It's the best way in my opinion.

I'm confused, I don't need to remove the frames? But my method is monorail. Not hexapod fixator.
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Re: LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2022, 05:41:23 PM »

The frames can be removed without a major surgery.
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Re: LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2022, 08:17:17 PM »

I'm confused, I don't need to remove the frames? But my method is monorail. Not hexapod fixator.
I did tibia LL with monorails too. External only. A very easy way to do LL and almost painless, at least for me. But the risk for misalignment is huge. I had a significant misalignment in my right foot that I fixed with a titanium plate 5 years after I finished LL. My left leg has also a slight misalignment but nothing important.

Generally speaking, tibia LL with monorails only is relatively rare and if you end up without a misalignment you will be vert lucky. That said, it is by far the easiest way to do LL and has the less invasive surgery out of any other way as it needs even less drills than Ilizarov and of course nothing inside your bone.

But thats not LON as the title of the topic said. It is externals only with monorails.
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Re: LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2022, 08:36:48 PM »

I did tibia LL with monorails too. External only. A very easy way to do LL and almost painless, at least for me. But the risk for misalignment is huge. I had a significant misalignment in my right foot that I fixed with a titanium plate 5 years after I finished LL. My left leg has also a slight misalignment but nothing important.

Generally speaking, tibia LL with monorails only is relatively rare and if you end up without a misalignment you will be vert lucky. That said, it is by far the easiest way to do LL and has the less invasive surgery out of any other way as it needs even less drills than Ilizarov and of course nothing inside your bone.

But thats not LON as the title of the topic said. It is externals only with monorails.

And how about TSF externals only? Is there any misalignment risk? I thought that external frames are used to fix bow/x-legs and any misalignment issues.

Also, could you showering from the beginning?
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Re: LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2022, 09:06:47 PM »

Almost no risk of misalignment with TSF external.
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Re: LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2022, 01:09:40 AM »

I did tibia LL with monorails too. External only. A very easy way to do LL and almost painless, at least for me. But the risk for misalignment is huge. I had a significant misalignment in my right foot that I fixed with a titanium plate 5 years after I finished LL. My left leg has also a slight misalignment but nothing important.

Generally speaking, tibia LL with monorails only is relatively rare and if you end up without a misalignment you will be vert lucky. That said, it is by far the easiest way to do LL and has the less invasive surgery out of any other way as it needs even less drills than Ilizarov and of course nothing inside your bone.

But thats not LON as the title of the topic said. It is externals only with monorails.

I see. This is what I was worried about. Could inserting a IM nail after completing lengthening (when removing the external fixators) eliminate that misalignment?
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Re: LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2022, 01:44:11 AM »

Anyone else had an experience with this? Kinda has me worried.
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Re: LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2022, 02:08:38 AM »

I did tibia LL with monorails too. External only. A very easy way to do LL and almost painless, at least for me. But the risk for misalignment is huge. I had a significant misalignment in my right foot that I fixed with a titanium plate 5 years after I finished LL. My left leg has also a slight misalignment but nothing important.

Generally speaking, tibia LL with monorails only is relatively rare and if you end up without a misalignment you will be vert lucky. That said, it is by far the easiest way to do LL and has the less invasive surgery out of any other way as it needs even less drills than Ilizarov and of course nothing inside your bone.

But thats not LON as the title of the topic said. It is externals only with monorails.

Also, did you have tibia LL with monorails and you had no IM nail at all? Even after removal of fixators? So you had to have monorails on until your bone consolidated?

Or do you put an IM nail inside after completing lengthening.
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Re: LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2022, 03:56:18 AM »

Anyone else had an experience with this? Kinda has me worried.

A friend of mine got that done and had a misalignment.  Better to use the ring fixators.
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Re: LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2022, 05:15:32 AM »

A friend of mine got that done and had a misalignment.  Better to use the ring fixators.

Did he insert an IM nail after completing lengthening? Or just have the monorail on until he fully consolidated?
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Re: LON Tibia with no IM nail?
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2022, 04:34:45 PM »

I'm not sure.  I lost touch with him before he was done.
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