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[Rockstarz5]

   
 Between 2 options.. dr giotikas o livelifetaller,quadrilateral and full weight

 ¿What do you think in general? I mean not only the quality of doctor, but also the staff and a thing that is so important.. “the social interaction”, whatching some videos where in livelifetaller people seems like they make even friends, happy, like more social place, that is soo important (social life gives you the boost and confidence you needed and it seems trivial, but is so important) or is just that they are good at publicity and fake .. even the facilities look good, the rooms and staff, the doctors.. I know there are diaries that went bad, but I want internal and full weight so that avoids a lot of the problems Imhave noticed in some diaris (infections, no union, etc)




 

[wayupnorth]

I was planning to do the surgery with Livelifetaller but when i asked about the prices for 2023 they said that they increased their prices. it was nuts, something like 10k Dollar more. The other surgeons did not increase their prices as much. For that price, i would rather save more and do it in Greece.

[LIVELIFETHEWAYIWANT]

maybe this guy would change your mind

http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=78387.0

[Rockstarz5]

 I saw it, but Im planing do it internal and not sure if the result is different because the main problem is imfection there, well the trut is that is like f1 is not safe and it never will be,  giotikas has 1 death, same as guichette, so many problems with sarin, betz has already too much things with the it band, limplax is relative new and expensive, dr M in los angeles is a good doctor but doesnt have the back support like dr giotikas or livelifetaller, you need to remember that you go to a foreign country, even paley have issues like he said that he faced even fat embolins, non union etc and the best is to have experienced ( he didnt know much until he became experienced so like¿ how many did he failed?) and he is a pioneer and the best.. but expensive,

[shortisnotfun]

I saw it, but Im planing do it internal and not sure if the result is different because the main problem is imfection there, well the trut is that is like f1 is not safe and it never will be,  giotikas has 1 death, same as guichette, so many problems with sarin, betz has already too much things with the it band, limplax is relative new and expensive, dr M in los angeles is a good doctor but doesnt have the back support like dr giotikas or livelifetaller, you need to remember that you go to a foreign country, even paley have issues like he said that he faced even fat embolins, non union etc and the best is to have experienced ( he didnt know much until he became experienced so like¿ how many did he failed?) and he is a pioneer and the best.. but expensive,

Please don't do it at LiveLifetaller!

[readyprecisestryde]

Non union with Paley is most likely patient was a smoker,  has bad bone growth genes or possibly other underlying conditions. Non union is extremely rare @ Paley  and it is out of his control.

[Harry1309]

True but no good surgeon would offer this cosmetically if they weren’t experienced enough first, we aren’t guinnie pigs and thats the problem many many surgeons are doing this and it isn’t within their field of specialism, just stick with the experts in the field

[Rockstarz5]

And thats my point why nobody hates paley for doing it a smoker patient.. what I undestrand of that person who has a problem with livelifetaller it was a infection.. even the best surgeron cant be 7x24 with the patient and a infection can occur in all external, paley doesnt apply because he doesnt do external.. im planing of doing it internal so if thats the case ¿livelifetaller is no that bad?, Not sure really everybody tell you livelifetaller is bad, but nobidy tell my why apart of the case of the guy who has an infection (all external has a probability of infection) that make me more confuse of ehich doctor go

[Harry1309]

Its not only one case but do your own research, read the forums this isn’t a small decision

[AllinStryde]

LLT is just really good at making marketing videos.  I hope that bodybuilder guy writes a diary on here...the one who is already 5'11" and is planning on quadrilateral lengthening to 15.5 cm.  There won't be Strongman competitions after that.  But if he insists on doing it anyway, I need to read about it here.

[Body Builder]

LLT is just really good at making marketing videos.  I hope that bodybuilder guy writes a diary on here...the one who is already 5'11" and is planning on quadrilateral lengthening to 15.5 cm.  There won't be Strongman competitions after that.  But if he insists on doing it anyway, I need to read about it here.

Why do you care about what a 5.11 lunatic, who wants to ruin his body in Turkey without any reason, would write?

Between Giotikas and turkish butchers there is really no comparison.

[MeanGoal]

LLT is just really good at making marketing videos.  I hope that bodybuilder guy writes a diary on here...the one who is already 5'11" and is planning on quadrilateral lengthening to 15.5 cm.  There won't be Strongman competitions after that.  But if he insists on doing it anyway, I need to read about it here.

I saw that video too. He's 182.5cm which is closer to 6'0" and from the U.S.

LLT is at it again, treating clients like disposable lab rats to test the limits of leg lengthening to dangerous limits. They get away with it because almost all of their clients live far away from Turkey, so when a medical malpractice case happens the client cannot realistically sue LLT. They can try to sue, but being from a foreign country will make it extremely difficult and will lose money and time even if the plaintiff wins in a very rare case.

[iwillgrow]

And thats my point why nobody hates paley for doing it a smoker patient.. what I undestrand of that person who has a problem with livelifetaller it was a infection.. even the best surgeron cant be 7x24 with the patient and a infection can occur in all external, paley doesnt apply because he doesnt do external.. im planing of doing it internal so if thats the case ¿livelifetaller is no that bad?, Not sure really everybody tell you livelifetaller is bad, but nobidy tell my why apart of the case of the guy who has an infection (all external has a probability of infection) that make me more confuse of ehich doctor go

Forget about 24x7, butcher Buldu won’t be with you at all after the surgery, you will be on your own. I saw someone posted my thread above but I would like to summarize, it wasn’t just the infection that was the problem, it was that he didn’t recognize it and operated on me further fue to the fact that he didn’t check up on me

Plus, he left a lose nail, I went back to remove the infection and he didn’t even check what the bump in my leg was, literally saw him for 2 minutes and then I was on the operating room. Then I had to go back to replace the lose screw and he made me replace the entire nail, he didn’t check for infections because he wanted to save money and so I had to take antibiotics and IV for an entire month because he didn’t want to check for infections. My point is her his technique is bad, he is careless and doesn’t sleep, you want someone with a steady hand to do the surgery

I understand your point to a certain extent. Limb lengthening surgery is relatively simply, your doing internals, you just need someone to insert he nail and break the bone. But understand that to insert the nail you need to drill your bone and it’s best to have someone with a steady hand. Then you need the bone screwed in properly and again even in my case alone he did not do this properly.

I am nof the only case where he screwed up, if you decide to go there check out the Golden hotel, it’s full of people with complications due to him being careless

Complications happen in surgeries sure but in buldu’s case they happen ALL the time to the point the the has to provide “insurance”(fake) to keep patients quiet

Believe me, you don’t want insurance, you want the surgery done well the first time and to be done with it

There’s a lot of butchering done by halil but people stay quiet out of embarrassment and fear

[oklama]

I've heard nothing but bad things. I think if you self monitored your cll and did a more conservative amount, if you're lucky you'd be fine, but I don't trust those guys at all.

[Rockstarz5]

Cmon dont be a joke/childish or rude.. everybody has questions, have see  others post yours and you should be banned not sure how salvage you are but this forum is free to post questions people have, is a nice space please dont f%# mess it up..

[LIVELIFETHEWAYIWANT]

Cmon dont be a joke/childish or rude.. everybody has questions, have see  others post yours and you should be banned not sure how salvage you are but this forum is free to post questions people have, is a nice space please dont f%# mess it up..

You posted a question , we gave many answers , BUT your life is yours ,we are not here to debate .

follow your heart and live in peace .

[hasaki]

Their price increases are so exaggerated that I wonder who gave them the backbone. Their LON method was just 11,000 euros in 2021, and is currently 35,000 euros.

[hasaki]

Forget about 24x7, butcher Buldu won’t be with you at all after the surgery, you will be on your own. I saw someone posted my thread above but I would like to summarize, it wasn’t just the infection that was the problem, it was that he didn’t recognize it and operated on me further fue to the fact that he didn’t check up on me

Plus, he left a lose nail, I went back to remove the infection and he didn’t even check what the bump in my leg was, literally saw him for 2 minutes and then I was on the operating room. Then I had to go back to replace the lose screw and he made me replace the entire nail, he didn’t check for infections because he wanted to save money and so I had to take antibiotics and IV for an entire month because he didn’t want to check for infections. My point is her his technique is bad, he is careless and doesn’t sleep, you want someone with a steady hand to do the surgery

I understand your point to a certain extent. Limb lengthening surgery is relatively simply, your doing internals, you just need someone to insert he nail and break the bone. But understand that to insert the nail you need to drill your bone and it’s best to have someone with a steady hand. Then you need the bone screwed in properly and again even in my case alone he did not do this properly.

I am nof the only case where he screwed up, if you decide to go there check out the Golden hotel, it’s full of people with complications due to him being careless

Complications happen in surgeries sure but in buldu’s case they happen ALL the time to the point the the has to provide “insurance”(fake) to keep patients quiet

Believe me, you don’t want insurance, you want the surgery done well the first time and to be done with it

There’s a lot of butchering done by halil but people stay quiet out of embarrassment and fear

At least you get antibiotics, they refused to admit I had an infection until I gave them the report from the hospital here in New York. When I was in Turkey, they refused to give me antibiotics and pain medication even though the wound was unusually nasty and had severe pain. They said they were afraid I would get addicted. And when I couldn't sleep because of the nerve damage, I asked to see a doctor for seven days, but I didn't see any doctor to check my nerve condition until I left.

[wayupnorth]

I thought incel posts were against the rules of this website ??

[Rockstarz5]

   
 The comment was for rhe guy “boklecrt”  he made some rude and salvage comments, dont really care what people said but this is hard enought and complicated enought to make even the stupid questions, is not like a walk in the park.. I have seen molesting other guys in old forums



Quote: “ but i just wanted you to know that all that time i thought you are born in 99 aka youre early 20s and babbling about the LL to other early 20s guys and girls but now i see youre 39 so obviously your friends and stuff are other 40 year olds

please disregard my observations in that thread, it was meant for a young guy currently fighting for his place among the gen Z crowd, yours is a completely different story, you obviously are chasing a life long dream of finally curing yourself from the curse of manletism with your 2 betz surgeries and women in your age group wouldnt even give a crap anyway since money talks at that age, and it seems by the fact that youre dropping 100+k right into dr Betz's 7th ferrari fund you got that sorted out proper” 


Like cmon guys.. this forum is for ask, support, investigated etc.. 

[LIVELIFETHEWAYIWANT]

   
 The comment was for rhe guy “boklecrt”  he made some rude and salvage comments, dont really care what people said but this is hard enought and complicated enought to make even the stupid questions, is not like a walk in the park.. I have seen molesting other guys in old forums



Quote: “ but i just wanted you to know that all that time i thought you are born in 99 aka youre early 20s and babbling about the LL to other early 20s guys and girls but now i see youre 39 so obviously your friends and stuff are other 40 year olds

please disregard my observations in that thread, it was meant for a young guy currently fighting for his place among the gen Z crowd, yours is a completely different story, you obviously are chasing a life long dream of finally curing yourself from the curse of manletism with your 2 betz surgeries and women in your age group wouldnt even give a crap anyway since money talks at that age, and it seems by the fact that youre dropping 100+k right into dr Betz's 7th ferrari fund you got that sorted out proper” 


Like cmon guys.. this forum is for ask, support, investigated etc..

Enough of this BS . here are some true facts .

1, LL's outcome is highly individual based , many key factors including your daily routine , physical strength ,pain tolerance . IT band tightness ETC
2, Tibia has more complications comparing to Femur
3, LON has more complications than Precise
4, does not matter what answer or support you want form this forum , you are not getting it , cause this is not an Intervention forum . This forum is about Facts !


here are some CASES I personally witnessed ,

2 guy did 7 CM tibia at the same doctor , both Asian , early 20s

guy one : ankle screw keeps getting infection , had 2 clean up surgeries , had the screw taken out as soon as he finished LL (almost 4 months after surgery)
has no problem what so ever , in a fast recovery , I finish LL one month before him , and he is catching up to me in consolidation .
guy two : 5 CM in , he can not straighten his legs anymore , because of IT band tightness , getting another surgery to fix it , not sure if he can keep LLing to 7 CM .

5 guys did femur , 2 early 20s , 3 mid 30s

mid 30s one : gained 40 lbs. during LL , had a lot pain during LL , installed weight bearing trauma nail post LL , able to walk with a CANE within a month into consolidation
mid 30s two :  minimum pain , had knee pain for 2 weeks , laid back for 6 and half months , slow but perfect recovery , now walks with a CANE 7 months after surgery .
mid 30s three : a lot pain , popping pain killer like crazy , 5 months into consolidation , had a non-union on one leg , the other leg is almost healed . (one leg is non-union , other leg is healing , completely insane ) went back did bone grafting , now can walk without assist .

young guy 20 s one : normal LL , duck feet 2 months into LL , super fast recovery , walking 30 days into consolidation , went to Thailand 2 months into consolidation .
young guy 20s two : 5 CM into LL , had to release IT band again , stop LL because of it .


As you can see , if you ask a general question , those people above are gonna have 7 different answers for you . see where I am going now ?