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[Moubgf]

No, I wasn't implying that that was your only motivation. To be happy with how you look is a very good motivation IMO. I'm just very skeptical of this whole alpha and beta theory, because there really is no scientific proof that is applies to humans and I don't think humans can be so easily divided into these 2 categories, I think human relations are a lot more complex than that.

Stop say human, you make it seem like we are different from the animals. There is no difference. So alpha and beta obviously exists today. Just in more finer places it's more subtle than in the slums. but i "dare" you to enter any of the violent Iraqi,islam zones in scandinavia or the black neighourhoods, You would figure out the hierarky in any of those social settings rather quick. Same goes for prison to put it more obvious.

80% are straight to beta. Then the other 15% think they are Alpha but they are generally the right hand of the true Alpha. And the remaining 5% Are the pioners/creative/tall(bigger than life)Cartoon characters in real life & lifestyle kind of  people.

People we generally look up too like. Arnold, Sly...or your local youtube celeb these days.

If you are short you are doomed to betaness. Whether you like it or not. Now your degree of betaness can be off different levels ofcourse. I would say that the majority of cases where the Short guy is not bullied is when he has a masculine aura AND a good social network with "permanent" ties which makes him valuable to everyone else. But as soon as he looses that "thing" he is back to square one and will notice withdrawl of social progress.

[YellowSpike]

Stop say human, you make it seem like we are different from the animals. There is no difference. So alpha and beta obviously exists today. Just in more finer places it's more subtle than in the slums. but i "dare" you to enter any of the violent Iraqi,islam zones in scandinavia or the black neighourhoods, You would figure out the hierarky in any of those social settings rather quick. Same goes for prison to put it more obvious.

80% are straight to beta. Then the other 15% think they are Alpha but they are generally the right hand of the true Alpha. And the remaining 5% Are the pioners/creative/tall(bigger than life)Cartoon characters in real life & lifestyle kind of  people.

People we generally look up too like. Arnold, Sly...or your local youtube celeb these days.

If you are short you are doomed to betaness. Whether you like it or not. Now your degree of betaness can be off different levels ofcourse. I would say that the majority of cases where the Short guy is not bullied is when he has a masculine aura AND a good social network with "permanent" ties which makes him valuable to everyone else. But as soon as he looses that "thing" he is back to square one and will notice withdrawl of social progress.

While I do know of several short guys who are indeed alpha (they are respected among their peers and get women), I will admit, they are usually the exception to the rule, and usually have a LOT going for them (strong personality, good at sports, good body/good looks, etc.). While a short beta man will have to work a lot harder to become "alpha," I do believe it's still possible. I've seen it happen.

However...the one sucky thing about being a short guy (even if you're still a true alpha) is that everyone always has an obvious flaw they can make fun of you on. So he would have to have a very thick skin and always be prepared with a witty comeback (but not too mean, because then that will show that it bothers you).

[Wannabegiant]

While I do know of several short guys who are indeed alpha (they are respected among their peers and get women), I will admit, they are usually the exception to the rule, and usually have a LOT going for them (strong personality, good at sports, good body/good looks, etc.). While a short beta man will have to work a lot harder to become "alpha," I do believe it's still possible. I've seen it happen.

However...the one sucky thing about being a short guy (even if you're still a true alpha) is that everyone always has an obvious flaw they can make fun of you on. So he would have to have a very thick skin and always be prepared with a witty comeback (but not too mean, because then that will show that it bothers you).

Very good point about having an obvious flaw they can joke about. I always had that in mind that i could never be fully secure with myself as long as i had that flaw.

[IwannaBeTaller]

Stop say human, you make it seem like we are different from the animals. There is no difference. So alpha and beta obviously exists today. Just in more finer places it's more subtle than in the slums. but i "dare" you to enter any of the violent Iraqi,islam zones in scandinavia or the black neighourhoods, You would figure out the hierarky in any of those social settings rather quick. Same goes for prison to put it more obvious.

80% are straight to beta. Then the other 15% think they are Alpha but they are generally the right hand of the true Alpha. And the remaining 5% Are the pioners/creative/tall(bigger than life)Cartoon characters in real life & lifestyle kind of  people.

People we generally look up too like. Arnold, Sly...or your local youtube celeb these days.

If you are short you are doomed to betaness. Whether you like it or not. Now your degree of betaness can be off different levels ofcourse. I would say that the majority of cases where the Short guy is not bullied is when he has a masculine aura AND a good social network with "permanent" ties which makes him valuable to everyone else. But as soon as he looses that "thing" he is back to square one and will notice withdrawl of social progress.

No, that was exactly what I meant what bothers me about this alpha and beta crap. You are completely wrong. There is zero scientifical proof that alpha and beta males exist im human relationships. It's completely made up, and so are your 80/15/5% numbers. And yes, we are different from animals, because we have evolved much further than any animal has. We can't even reach consensus on what is alpha, before it was mentioned Bill Gates does not count, but now some Youtube celebrity does count only because he's popular!?

Sly Stallone is rather short. He's become more popular than 99,99% of all 6' + people ever will.

[Moubgf]

Your awarness is suprisingly low and i will not subject myself to your level of debating. Think i got a little headache there.



And by the way Stalloe is notorious lift wearer. Still king though

[IwannaBeTaller]

Your awarness is suprisingly low and i will not subject myself to your level of debating. Think i got a little headache there.



And by the way Stalloe is notorious lift wearer. Still king though

Yeah, asking for scientific proof is certainly a very low level of debating. Have fun, dude.

[tapemeasure]

Why haven't more celebrities done LL? Guys like Cruise, Sly, Cowell.

[Wannabegiant]

Why haven't more celebrities done LL? Guys like Cruise, Sly, Cowell.

Probably because of the ridiculous ammount of time it takes to complete, and the effort and pain. There is no way they would be able to keep it secret, and all the gossip magazines would talk about it, they would be interviewed about it.

In fact maybe their agents dont allow them such a long absence or it would break some contract agreement etc, celebritites might have to temporary retire to do it, and it might be a bad career move.