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[manderin]

I simply would like to satisfy my curiousity.  Though I would love to be taller, it would only be for cosmetic reasons and as such I cannot imagine going through the pain and recovery required for leg lengthening as it is today.  Plus I am female and shaving would get rid of the hair on my legs that would cover the scars and denting caused by the procedure anyway.

But at 5'2 I do have dreams of not being the shortest female in the room.  Especially since I see that taller people in my company get promoted faster (as is true everywhere if statistics are to be believed.)  Someone told me that in 15 years or so they expect that doctors will be able to re-open the growth plates relatively painlessly which with a little HGH will make the person grow again.  Is this true?  If so I may live to see 5'6 yet.  Or maybe I'll be too old at 40 something, but it would still be cool if others were able to do it that way in 2030.

[GeTs]

idk, but in the near future everyone will be 6'7

[Moubgf]

If it do not happen in my lifetime. I wish it never happens.

Seeing those short kids smiling all the way to the doctor, while we others have struggled as fk because of this.

Hope it never arrives. im all good with leg legnthening it also serves as a gate keeper for height. Which should not be trown around for fun.

[YellowSpike]

If it do not happen in my lifetime. I wish it never happens.

Seeing those short kids smiling all the way to the doctor, while we others have struggled as f**k because of this.

Hope it never arrives. im all good with leg legnthening it also serves as a gate keeper for height. Which should not be trown around for fun.

I agree. The difficulties and costs of LL do make it somewhat of a gatekeeper. I wouldn't mind if all men were equal in height, that would mean men would have to differentiate themselves in other ways. Especially if 7 feet ends up being the new 6ft (which disgusts me to even think about).

Women and their height requirements...lol.

[Moubgf]

I agree. The difficulties and costs of LL do make it somewhat of a gatekeeper. I wouldn't mind if all men were equal in height, that would mean men would have to differentiate themselves in other ways. Especially if 7 feet ends up being the new 6ft (which disgusts me to even think about).

Women and their height requirements...lol.

Hey let them be 7 ft couldnt care less. I just want to not be objectively short you know?. After that i don't give a fk if someone rejects me because of height.

[YellowSpike]

Hey let them be 7 ft couldnt care less. I just want to not be objectively short you know?. After that i don't give a f**k if someone rejects me because of height.

I agree, and I couldn't care less about being 6ft. To me, for a guy, objectively "short" is anything below around 5'8" give or take (some people are just better at appearing taller somehow). At just under 5'6", I'm objectively short, and not ok with that.

[Moubgf]

I agree, and I couldn't care less about being 6ft. To me, for a guy, objectively "short" is anything below around 5'8" give or take (some people are just better at appearing taller somehow). At just under 5'6", I'm objectively short, and not ok with that.

5'9 is the juicy trick. I bet 100 bucks they never get discriminated against regarding height.
But you don't get any benefits either. You are in the game but you are at the lowest and you have to "work" yourself up from there. Being 5-7 >below. You are not even "in" the game yet. You are a outsider. Look but don't touch kind of scenario.

[YellowSpike]

5'9 is the juicy trick. I bet 100 bucks they never get discriminated against regarding height.
But you don't get any benefits either. You are in the game but you are at the lowest and you have to "work" yourself up from there. Being 5-7 >below. You are not even "in" the game yet. You are a outsider. Look but don't touch kind of scenario.

Yeah, 5'9" is more ideal. But with facial and body aesthetics, 5'8" is more or less fine. Many women tend to list 5'8" as the "threshold." If I were 5'8" I would never ever consider LL as I have a lot of other things going for me.

[Moubgf]

Yeah, 5'9" is more ideal. But with facial and body aesthetics, 5'8" is more or less fine. Many women tend to list 5'8" as the "threshold." If I were 5'8" I would never ever consider LL.

It's known to be 5'10 as the threshold for alpha behavior. I am hitting 5'11, but would prefer 6'0 but that would be overkill but that is really where you begin to notice BENEFITS of height. Being 5'11 is the same as 5'8 in the eyes of women. 5'11 only serves as better intimidation factor than 5'8. Other than that their the same in terms of status in the eyes of women.

ALOT of women are 5'8 these days, and if you look at it. They are not really tall just drawn out a little bit compared to their shorter counterparts at 5'2 which pretty much no lady is in todays era unless they are ethically blessed with short genetics from their 4'9 grandmom or something usually like that.

[YellowSpike]

It's known to be 5'10 as the threshold for alpha behavior. I am hitting 5'11, but would prefer 6'0 but that would be overkill but that is really where you begin to notice BENEFITS of height. Being 5'11 is the same as 5'8 in the eyes of women. 5'11 only serves as better intimidation factor than 5'8. Other than that their the same in terms of status in the eyes of women.

ALOT of women are 5'8 these days, and if you look at it. They are not really tall just drawn out a little bit compared to their shorter counterparts at 5'2 which pretty much no lady is in todays era unless they are ethically blessed with short genetics from their 4'9 grandmom or something usually like that.

5'10" is the threshold for "alpha behavior?" That is hilarious. Dude, you can be alpha at any height. There's a 5'4" guy at my gym with a great body and has awesome tattoos all over. Everyone checks him out. Yeah, I'm sure to some extent he's "compensating," but he pulls chicks. Being "alpha" (lol), in my opinion, is just doing you and not giving a f#%k about what anyone else thinks (including the almighty women that so many guys put on a pedestal that they don't deserve).

I mean, I'm barely 5'6" and I've never had trouble with women. I even did well with online dating, where my height was even more apparent (though I'm sure I was already filtered out by many women).

I'm not doing it for anyone but myself to blend in a little more. In my experience, 5'8" is still on the short side, but not a dealbreaker if you have other things going for you. The biggest player I knew in college was actually 5'7.5", but he had fantastic facial aesthetics and was definitely alpha.

[manderin]

If it do not happen in my lifetime. I wish it never happens.

Seeing those short kids smiling all the way to the doctor, while we others have struggled as f**k because of this.

Hope it never arrives. im all good with leg legnthening it also serves as a gate keeper for height. Which should not be trown around for fun.

Hmmm.  Ever think the real reason women aren't so keen on you isn't your height, but your selfish and bitter- If I can't have it no one else should either- attitude?

The fact of life is that men and women are very much judged by their looks.  It does not just affect who you attract sexually, but your income, your promotion opportunities, and your social status.  It's unfair, but that's how it is... and that's how it will always be because we are genetically programmed that way.  It's ironic but only when everyone is over a certain height and everyone is beautiful, THEN will people start to look beyond skin deep.  It is ironic that everyone would have to have beauty in order for people to start looking beyond that to their actual talents and personality- but that's the reality because humans are biologically programmed to spend more attention on attractive faces. Even babies under 1 year old will stare significantly longer at symmetrical/attractive faces and look away quickly at less ideal faces- long before they are ever taught societies views on beauty.  No amount of teaching society it's what's inside that counts is going to override our genetic programming.  So yes, if others in our lifetime are able to beat some of these odds it may not be better for some of us personally, but it will make the world a better place because people will be forced to look beyond the outside a bit more.  Who knows?  Maybe 300 years from now everyone will live up to the age of 110 looking like a 25 year old, in peak condition and perfect facial symmatry, but until then a great deal of a human's opportunities in life are based solely on looks and that's just the way it is.

[Moubgf]

Hmmm.  Ever think the real reason women aren't so keen on you isn't your height, but your selfish and bitter- If I can't have it no one else should either- attitude?

The fact of life is that men and women are very much judged by their looks.  It does not just affect who you attract sexually, but your income, your promotion opportunities, and your social status.  It's unfair, but that's how it is... and that's how it will always be because we are genetically programmed that way.  It's ironic but only when everyone is over a certain height and everyone is beautiful, THEN will people start to look beyond skin deep.  It is ironic that everyone would have to have beauty in order for people to start looking beyond that to their actual talents and personality- but that's the reality because humans are biologically programmed to spend more attention on attractive faces. Even babies under 1 year old will stare significantly longer at symmetrical/attractive faces and look away quickly at less ideal faces- long before they are ever taught societies views on beauty.  No amount of teaching society it's what's inside that counts is going to override our genetic programming.  So yes, if others in our lifetime are able to beat some of these odds it may not be better for some of us personally, but it will make the world a better place because people will be forced to look beyond the outside a bit more.  Who knows?  Maybe 300 years from now everyone will live up to the age of 110 looking like a 25 year old, in peak condition and perfect facial symmatry, but until then a great deal of a human's opportunities in life are based solely on looks and that's just the way it is.

No, if im bitter it's because i don't want them to take a magic pill and grow. While reinforcing heightism to those who can't afford it or don't want it for whatever reason. While we suffered 5 years earlier with permanent damage to our legs for acceptance. It's the same with racial movements, The old gentlemen Blacks couldn't do certiain stuff. And now we got hood niggers destroying that priveledge and what it means to grow".

[Sweden]

Hood niggers 

[YellowSpike]

Hood niggers 

Doesn't it boggle your mind? LMFAO   

[Claude]

Man people are getting so stupid "Hood niggers" ... ha ha, maybe in the year 2030 we'll all be dead ? "The magic pill" is not for tomorrow, maybe you should wait for it like santa ? Yeah bro im giving you a good advice right here.

[YellowSpike]

The funny thing is that I kind of understand what slim tim is saying with respect to LL (and all its hardships) being a "barrier to entry" for height. It's just that he's saying it in typical slim tim fashion. Remember when the guy called my mom a b*tch (even though, once again, I knew what his angle was)? Hahaha 

But think about it. Most of us on here are in our 20s and 30s. By the time doctors are able to wave a wand at you to instantly make you taller, we will be in our 50s or 60s (if not older). We will have been married and probably out of the dating scene for a while, and our careers will have peaked. So at that point, who the hell cares? LOL

[Claude]

I think slim is Sweden's cousin.

[sadboy]

5'10" is the threshold for "alpha behavior?" That is hilarious. Dude, you can be alpha at any height. There's a 5'4" guy at my gym with a great body and has awesome tattoos all over. Everyone checks him out. Yeah, I'm sure to some extent he's "compensating," but he pulls chicks. Being "alpha" (lol), in my opinion, is just doing you and not giving a f#%k about what anyone else thinks (including the almighty women that so many guys put on a pedestal that they don't deserve).

I mean, I'm barely 5'6" and I've never had trouble with women. I even did well with online dating, where my height was even more apparent (though I'm sure I was already filtered out by many women).

I'm not doing it for anyone but myself to blend in a little more. In my experience, 5'8" is still on the short side, but not a dealbreaker if you have other things going for you. The biggest player I knew in college was actually 5'7.5", but he had fantastic facial aesthetics and was definitely alpha.

So you want to do LL just for yourself and not anyone else? I'm glad to hear that because I think the same way. I want to be taller just to feel better and more confident about myself. Most people do it here for women which is understandable since women nowadays are very picky but I'm not saying men aren't either. They can be as conceited as women.

[Wannabegiant]

5'10" is the threshold for "alpha behavior?" That is hilarious. Dude, you can be alpha at any height. There's a 5'4" guy at my gym with a great body and has awesome tattoos all over. Everyone checks him out. Yeah, I'm sure to some extent he's "compensating," but he pulls chicks. Being "alpha" (lol), in my opinion, is just doing you and not giving a f#%k about what anyone else thinks (including the almighty women that so many guys put on a pedestal that they don't deserve).

I mean, I'm barely 5'6" and I've never had trouble with women. I even did well with online dating, where my height was even more apparent (though I'm sure I was already filtered out by many women).

I'm not doing it for anyone but myself to blend in a little more. In my experience, 5'8" is still on the short side, but not a dealbreaker if you have other things going for you. The biggest player I knew in college was actually 5'7.5", but he had fantastic facial aesthetics and was definitely alpha.

While i agree that anyone can act alpha if they want to, i have to agree with slim partially here. If you are under 5'10 it will be much harder to get taken seriously by other people if you try to act alpha, many people will look at it as napoleon complex and/or a small angry guy trying to compensate for his short stature..

shorter guys gets less respect in general, and to be recognized as a true alpha you need to be respected. If the short guy was famous or very rich then he could potentially act alpha convincingly because people would be drawn to him and respect him anyway.

[GeTs]

It's not about short or tall when it comes to alpha, while a tall guy can be alpha naturally, a short guy will never be alpha naturally

[Wannabegiant]

It's not about short or tall when it comes to alpha, while a tall guy can be alpha naturally, a short guy will never be alpha naturally

you are contradicting yourself here unless there is a language problem..

If a short guy can never be alpha naturally, then height is relevant to being alpha, so it is "about short or tall"

[IwannaBeTaller]

ALOT of women are 5'8 these days, and if you look at it. They are not really tall just drawn out a little bit compared to their shorter counterparts at 5'2 which pretty much no lady is in todays era unless they are ethically blessed with short genetics from their 4'9 grandmom or something usually like that.

Not true. There are tons of 5'2'' women around even today.

Also this whole talk about "alpha" behaviour gives me the creeps. What does it even mean? From what I've heard alpha means nothing else than "not giving a   about what others think" and that's certainly not a trait reserved to tall people. Otherwise if you mean that alpha means reaching the top ladder of something, being the best, achieving the best possible in life, than that's something not reserved to tall people either. So either way it's not true.

[Wannabegiant]

Not true. There are tons of 5'2'' women around even today.

Also this whole talk about "alpha" behaviour gives me the creeps. What does it even mean? From what I've heard alpha means nothing else than "not giving a s**t about what others think" and that's certainly not a trait reserved to tall people. Otherwise if you mean that alpha means reaching the top ladder of something, being the best, achieving the best possible in life, than that's something not reserved to tall people either. So either way it's not true.

I guess it depends how you define alpha, but to give you an example, Bill Gates is pretty much as successful in life as you could possibly be, but i doubt many people consider him an alpha male. At least guys like him are not the image people have when they think of alpha males. I think the main thing people associate with being alpha is having an aura of dominance, without even having to try. So it helps to look big or tall, or perhaps intimidating. And having a strong and confident personality.

And while a smaller person can act like that, most people around them wont truly recognize them as alpha, so i guess what we are saying is that unless you are famous or very talented in some way (like being an elite athlete for example) most people wont recognize short people as alpha even if they act like it.

Imo once you reach 5'10 and above, height is no longer a barrier for being able to be recognized as an authentic alpha male.

[GeTs]

you are contradicting yourself here unless there is a language problem..

If a short guy can never be alpha naturally, then height is relevant to being alpha, so it is "about short or tall"

i was probably drunk

[Smallguy]

I guess it depends how you define alpha, but to give you an example, Bill Gates is pretty much as successful in life as you could possibly be, but i doubt many people consider him an alpha male. At least guys like him are not the image people have when they think of alpha males. I think the main thing people associate with being alpha is having an aura of dominance, without even having to try. So it helps to look big or tall, or perhaps intimidating. And having a strong and confident personality.

And while a smaller person can act like that, most people around them wont truly recognize them as alpha, so i guess what we are saying is that unless you are famous or very talented in some way (like being an elite athlete for example) most people wont recognize short people as alpha even if they act like it.

Imo once you reach 5'10 and above, height is no longer a barrier for being able to be recognized as an authentic alpha male.

Being an alpha male has nothing to do with height. Short guys can be alpha male too if you don't let your height bothers you. I know of some short guys at the club who has more success in picking up chicks than their taller male counter-part because they won't allow their height to get in their way of getting the nuts. On the other hand, I have two male friends, who are both good-looking and at 6'0 and 6'1, who are at the low-end spectrum for losers. One guy always let his emotion bothers him and the other has no game or skill.

Alpha male is define by how others treat you, how you treat others and how you treat yourself. I can picture some short guys (unfortunately, usually in the mafia field) who commands respect just by the virtue of their present alone. Alpha male is not judge by material possession. That's why you often see some gorgeous women dating poor guys. The guy just needs to portray (e.g appearance and behaviour) the potential to be rich and famous. Mars Bruno (5'4?) could be an alpha male? So that's why I think short guys can be alpha... lol

And reaching 5'10 doesn't mean anything. I went clubbing and have experienced. There are many factors in making the guy popular and it's not just his height alone. Height is just one part of an aesthetic trait, like the nose, eye, skin, hair, proportion. But women judge men by the whole package, like behaviour and looks.

[Wannabegiant]

Being an alpha male has nothing to do with height. Short guys can be alpha male too if you don't let your height bothers you. I know of some short guys at the club who has more success in picking up chicks than their taller male counter-part because they won't allow their height to get in their way of getting the nuts. On the other hand, I have two male friends, who are both good-looking and at 6'0 and 6'1, who are at the low-end spectrum for losers. One guy always let his emotion bothers him and the other has no game or skill.

Alpha male is define by how others treat you, how you treat others and how you treat yourself. I can picture some short guys (unfortunately, usually in the mafia field) who commands respect just by the virtue of their present alone. Alpha male is not judge by material possession. That's why you often see some gorgeous women dating poor guys. The guy just needs to portray (e.g appearance and behaviour) the potential to be rich and famous. Mars Bruno (5'4?) could be an alpha male? So that's why I think short guys can be alpha... lol

And reaching 5'10 doesn't mean anything. I went clubbing and have experienced. There are many factors in making the guy popular and it's not just his height alone. Height is just one part of an aesthetic trait, like the nose, eye, skin, hair, proportion. But women judge men by the whole package, like behaviour and looks.

while i partly agree with you, you seem to have missed my point a bit. I mentioned that small guys can act alpha if they want to, but the difference is that they are much more unlikely to be recognized as alpha even when they try.

Btw getting a lot of chicks isnt enough on its own to be considered alpha, he just might have really good game with the ladies even though he might be a justin bieber type dude.

Also i mentioned that other things can compensate the short stature if short guys want to be alpha, ie if they are famous like bruno mars (although nobody i know has ever referred to Bruno Mars as alpha, most people seem to think he is a feminine dude) or supremely talented in a sport. Being highly respected in a mafia obviously compensates short stature as well, thats obvious.

However, if you are a average Joe, it is much easier to be recognized as an alpha if you are 5'10 or above (because this seems to be the height limit where you are either considered average or tall), a shorter guy will have to do a lot to compensate their height if they want to be recognized as alpha, and for some short people it might not be possible even with hard work.

[IwannaBeTaller]

I just don't see why being "alpha" is so important so some. To me, I have other (better) motivations go get the surgery done than being the "dominant male" in the clubbing scene or in a workplace (although it is established you can even be boss or CEO as a short person, which pretty much makes you the alpha in a workplace). Clubbing is not so important to me, it's just a fraction part of life. Can't you just settle with...not being the most dominant person, but not the most submissive either in the room, just average? Why do you have to be the most "dominant"? But each his own, I guess.

[Wannabegiant]

I just don't see why being "alpha" is so important so some. To me, I have other (better) motivations go get the surgery done than being the "dominant male" in the clubbing scene or in a workplace (although it is established you can even be boss or CEO as a short person, which pretty much makes you the alpha in a workplace). Clubbing is not so important to me, it's just a fraction part of life. Can't you just settle with...not being the most dominant person, but not the most submissive either in the room, just average? Why do you have to be the most "dominant"? But each his own, I guess.

Im not sure what better motivations you have to get the surgery, but you are mistaken if you think that being alpha is the only reason i did it (i cant speak for anyone else but i think its the same for the others). Personally the main reason obviously is to cure height neurosis and stop being judged by heightism, as well as being happy with my own look.

The reason why being alpha is a good bonus for me is because i have a chip on my shoulder so to speak, i feel i could do so much better than i have done so far in my life (in most areas), ive been average mainly due to bad luck and bad confidence stemming from some of those unfortunate incidents. I know i could do so much more if i didnt have so many "handicaps" growing up, and the fastest way for me to reach there before my youth ends is to be dominant, at the workplace and at the club, everywhere basically. Thats how i have envisioned it at least.

[IwannaBeTaller]

Im not sure what better motivations you have to get the surgery, but you are mistaken if you think that being alpha is the only reason i did it (i cant speak for anyone else but i think its the same for the others). Personally the main reason obviously is to cure height neurosis and stop being judged by heightism, as well as being happy with my own look.

The reason why being alpha is a good bonus for me is because i have a chip on my shoulder so to speak, i feel i could do so much better than i have done so far in my life (in most areas), ive been average mainly due to bad luck and bad confidence stemming from some of those unfortunate incidents. I know i could do so much more if i didnt have so many "handicaps" growing up, and the fastest way for me to reach there before my youth ends is to be dominant, at the workplace and at the club, everywhere basically. Thats how i have envisioned it at least.

No, I wasn't implying that that was your only motivation. To be happy with how you look is a very good motivation IMO. I'm just very skeptical of this whole alpha and beta theory, because there really is no scientific proof that is applies to humans and I don't think humans can be so easily divided into these 2 categories, I think human relations are a lot more complex than that.

[Wannabegiant]

No, I wasn't implying that that was your only motivation. To be happy with how you look is a very good motivation IMO. I'm just very skeptical of this whole alpha and beta theory, because there really is no scientific proof that is applies to humans and I don't think humans can be so easily divided into these 2 categories, I think human relations are a lot more complex than that.

I agree humans are more complex than that.

But imo alpha and beta characteristics can be applied to certain human individuals, even though at the same time there being more categories than those 2.

Alpha is most of the time used to describe highly respected people with leadership qualities, dominant personality etc, while beta is used for submissive or passive people, or "losers" etc. But that doesnt mean there arent many other types of people that dont fit either of those 2 categories.

[Moubgf]

No, I wasn't implying that that was your only motivation. To be happy with how you look is a very good motivation IMO. I'm just very skeptical of this whole alpha and beta theory, because there really is no scientific proof that is applies to humans and I don't think humans can be so easily divided into these 2 categories, I think human relations are a lot more complex than that.

Stop say human, you make it seem like we are different from the animals. There is no difference. So alpha and beta obviously exists today. Just in more finer places it's more subtle than in the slums. but i "dare" you to enter any of the violent Iraqi,islam zones in scandinavia or the black neighourhoods, You would figure out the hierarky in any of those social settings rather quick. Same goes for prison to put it more obvious.

80% are straight to beta. Then the other 15% think they are Alpha but they are generally the right hand of the true Alpha. And the remaining 5% Are the pioners/creative/tall(bigger than life)Cartoon characters in real life & lifestyle kind of  people.

People we generally look up too like. Arnold, Sly...or your local youtube celeb these days.

If you are short you are doomed to betaness. Whether you like it or not. Now your degree of betaness can be off different levels ofcourse. I would say that the majority of cases where the Short guy is not bullied is when he has a masculine aura AND a good social network with "permanent" ties which makes him valuable to everyone else. But as soon as he looses that "thing" he is back to square one and will notice withdrawl of social progress.