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[Icarus]

I want to focus on the topic of post-LL dating in this thread. For most of us considering leg lengthening, height neurosis encompasses far far more than dating, but attractiveness to women appears to be one of the most immediately noticeable benefits of growing taller, and I’m wondering if those of you who had the procedure might shed some light on how growing taller has affected your dating life and how women view you.

Despite my height at 5’6, I am lucky enough to have an attractive face, athletic body, high social skills, and a full life, and I have never had a problem finding women to hookup with. I am very outgoing and when I notice that a woman is attracted to me at a bar, party, in a social group, or elsewhere, I am effective at turning those moments into dating opportunities.

However, I have also found that I have not been attracted to most women who are interested in me, and the women I do find attractive rarely find me attractive, and when I get dates with them due to my personality/social status/social skills I often face a lot of ambivalence, I tend to get strung along until they break things off, and I find myself in a situation where I am regularly tested and treated like a backup until I break it off or they do. My longest relationship with a woman I found attractive was anxiety ridden since I felt I had to play it perfectly to get her off the fence—almost to a manipulative level, where I never shared my emotions, needs, and concealed my high interest level, bolstered my options/feeling of abundance by playing the field in the early phase of dating, and even then it felt like she held all the cards in the relationship, which is not something I’d like to have to repeat every time I catch the eye of a really attractive woman.

I’m wondering whether any of you have seen improvements in that aspect of dating post-LL, whether growing taller has opened doors as far as options, and helped you find less ambivalence and testing behaviors among the most attractive women you’re talking to.

[lessthanavg8300]

There is no question you're going to have more luck with women.  5 foot 7 and down (my height) is where the stark dropoff of women willing to date you occurs.  5'8 and above and you can generally make it work if you put effort in.  Of course life gets easier the taller you are.  I feel like 5'10 is the magic number where almost no women will consider your height/presence as an issue.  Rarely do you see men complain about being 5'10 in the dating world.  But you see it occasionally from 5'9 men (really not a big deal though), 5'8 to a larger extent, and 5'7 and down to a very high extent.  Ill add that your location changes all these numbers.  Im talking from the standpoint where the average man is 5 foot 9.5 in the US.  Probably more meaningful for those that actually had the procedure speak to this, but I've been on this site for a few months and read nearly everything and this is what I've gathered from others.

[informationispower]

Being taller will increase the quantity of women who would consider to date you but not the quality. You will have a larger dating pool though thus will more likely have more quality women. Just to be more clear, if now 100 women find you attractive but only 10% are good looking, by being lets say 5'9 500 women will find you attractive but still only 10% of them you will find attractive (10vs50 women you find attractive)

[lessthanavg8300]

By the way you dont even need to ask people on here.  Go on a dating app and spend a few days at different heights (change your height).  See what happens.  That will be your answer.  I changed mine from 5'7 to 5'10 and the difference was hilarious.

[Icarus]

Being taller will increase the quantity of women who would consider to date you but not the quality. You will have a larger dating pool though thus will more likely have more quality women. Just to be more clear, if now 100 women find you attractive but only 10% are good looking, by being lets say 5'9 500 women will find you attractive but still only 10% of them you will find attractive (10vs50 women you find attractive)

What makes you believe that quality is not also improved?

By the way you dont even need to ask people on here.  Go on a dating app and spend a few days at different heights (change your height).  See what happens.  That will be your answer.  I changed mine from 5'7 to 5'10 and the difference was hilarious.

Yes I've done the same experiment in the past, I'm just curious on post-LL patient's take on how the experience changed for them. My assumption is that women are more likely to approach them, are less likely to play games and be ambivalent when dating them, and will give them more leeway in terms of other traits when considering them as a partner. But I'd like to hear some more anecdotes confirming the theory and some more in depth experiences from men who have seen their dating lives improve beyond the surface of "yes, being taller will help with dating". I'd like to hear specific accounts of how they've perceived their dating lives improve, and details about their before/after experiences with women.

[informationispower]

Because I see both tall and short guys with either super hot women or either ugly women.  I myself am dating according to people I know a 7/7.5 even though I am a 5'7 which should mean according to this forum or other shor men forums, that it should be impossible. I never dated a woman below a 6

[lessthanavg8300]

My last gf was a legitimate 9 or 10.  Its not internet talk, if I showed anyone pics they would nod their head.  And not in some fake hot way, like girl next door way.  I'm good looking for a short guy and pretty well off (self made).  Thats how that happened.  But you realize its just not enough for girls like that.  Maybe for girls who are 7's or 8's no problem.  I know this sounds picky and egotistical.

This got fked up not long ago and I lost her probably because of how insecure I am as a reaction to others.   But my actions/reactions are not misplaced.  Guys dont act defensive for no reason. It really changed when I was around her family without shoes on for the first time.  I thought I was confident enough and truly in my head didnt care.   Her friends and family members immediately asked things like "did you lose weight" and other comments (which we know is just code for wow you are really small).  In fact 2 of her family members asked that exact question.  Im pretty built/muscular with a good body for my height, around 155 pounds and lean.  So you know what its a reference to.  That moment of internal awkwardness is real.  And thats when you realize its not "your mentality" as people like to suggest.  Its out of your control no matter your mentality because others do judge you and you do react.  Fast forward and all sorts of excuses to break up happened, obviously she avoided mentioning height but completely random things that dont make any sense.  Thats how it goes, on repeat.  Ready for that to end.

[Icarus]

Yeah from my own experience it feels like I have to be absolutely perfect when I do date a really attractive woman. Perfect personality, perfect career, high social status, great in bed, always well groomed and dressed well, and always on my game when it comes to planning great dates. Almost like I’m treated like I have to make up for my body, while my taller friends seem to get away with a lot more and have the same type of women chasing them when they have a lot less going on. It’s exhausting, frankly.
I remember hearing Nikki Glaser joke about how women should date short guys because it’s like getting a hot guy at a discount, and it mirrors my experience: I feel like I naturally end up dating women who are less attractive than me while they still hold all the cards in the relationship, and that’s frustrating as hell. In some ways I wish I didn’t care about stuff like looks, but it’s not really my choice who I’m attracted to or not, and I think it’s the same way for women. I’ve dated a number of women who seem to have been hesitant because they wished they were more attracted to me because of all the other stuff I had going on, but ultimately ended things because they couldn’t get over the physical attraction stuff. And I can’t lie, I probably would have done the same if I met the perfect woman but she was fat or just not physically attractive.
I used to think the LL was a bit crazy because the agonizing and long recovery, the chances of complications or lifelong pain, but even taking away all the other height neurosis fixing benefits and social benefits, it feels like the better dating prospects alone justify why men like myself want to do it. I’d kill to be tall enough where it wasn’t a problem lol.

[lessthanavg8300]

I know exactly what you mean about needing to be perfect.  Ready to fix the situation because the advise many give online that you just need to "change your mentality and get some confidence" is complete BS and shorter men who say this are just coping.  "Im 5'3 and pull girls all day because of my confidence" - no, you do not.  And theres a big difference between being used as a tool and locking a girl down.  Many of these men dont understand this until they hit their 30's.

[informationispower]

I know exactly what you mean about needing to be perfect.  Ready to fix the situation because the advise many give online that you just need to "change your mentality and get some confidence" is complete BS and shorter men who say this are just coping.  "Im 5'3 and pull girls all day because of my confidence" - no, you do not.  And theres a big difference between being used as a tool and locking a girl down.  Many of these men dont understand this until they hit their 30's.

But you are not 5'3. You are 5'7 which is a completely different reality dating wise. I agree with you about very short men coping but again, you are not a very short man

[Icarus]

For dating, I still see a small problem. I am just sort of thinking let's say someone gets internals for femurs and tibias and then gets tattoos on them to conceal them and then goes on a date

The problem is that some of the scars will be somewhat raised (I have some small linear scars that sort of like have a small raised bump under them) and someone on a date could feel that bump

What would you say if someone felt that bump under the scar/tattoo?

Frankly, I don't think anything short of being noticeably crippled/deformed or having cartoonish/uncanny-valley level of proportions would come close to offsetting the advantages of being taller in terms of attractiveness. Physical attraction is not a choice, and if a woman would not have been physically attracted to you pre-CLL, but is attracted to taller post-CLL you, her finding out that you got life altering surgery to fix an insecurity and having a lowered opinion of you for it is just the cost of doing business. If you literally weren't in the game before, but are after CLL, you're still be better off no matter how disgusted she might be by your choices/insecurities. If you're getting serious with a woman post-CLL, and she starts asking questions, the better choice is to just be honest about it and take the hit, since dishonesty/deception is far less attractive than the stigma of admitting you got CLL.

[lessthanavg8300]

Good points

[EndGame]

For dating, I still see a small problem. I am just sort of thinking let's say someone gets internals for femurs and tibias and then gets tattoos on them to conceal them and then goes on a date

The problem is that some of the scars will be somewhat raised (I have some small linear scars that sort of like have a small raised bump under them) and someone on a date could feel that bump

What would you say if someone felt that bump under the scar/tattoo?

You're basically asking what to say if you're scars are noticed for a bump or whatever reason even if you're trying to use tattoos to hide them. Most women won't ask unless an ltr. You don't want to tell them LL or you wouldn't have bothered with the tattoos. Perhaps, bow leg correction or some other corrective surgery or car accident or some sort of trauma.

[Icarus]

You're basically asking what to say if you're scars are noticed for a bump or whatever reason even if you're trying to use tattoos to hide them. Most women won't ask unless an ltr. You don't want to tell them LL or you wouldn't have bothered with the tattoos. Perhaps, bow leg correction or some other corrective surgery or car accident or some sort of trauma.

I would agree that a short-term partner doesn't need to know that you got LL, but IMO it would be a mistake to lie to a woman in a LTR about something so significant. Either she'll eventually find out, or you'll be hiding it for the rest of your life. Women are so used to being lied to by men trying to impress them that being branded a liar could poke permanent holes in the foundation of the relationship, so its probably better to simply avoid the question and just say it was from surgery and you don't want to talk about it until you're ready to tell them. It'd be far worse for her to find out after marrying you and realizing down the line that your kids probably won't be as tall as you lol.

[Icarus]

Do any of you post-LL guys have anecdotes of specific ways you've noticed your new height help you with women? I think we all know that an increase height has an obvious positive impact, but I'm sure it'd be reassuring for those of us considering it to hear specific accounts of how you've noticed the way women treat you before/after.

I think its clear that growing taller won't necessarily help you if you have poor game as it is, but for someone like myself who is 5'6 and has moderate success with attractive women, it'd be nice to hear about ways you've noticed women treat you before vs. after, particularly if your post-LL height puts you in the average to tall range where we'd expect to see the most significant improvements.

[lessthanavg8300]

I agree with you on being transparent.

One thing Ill say though is if your wife is close to your old height your kids will actually be close to your new height unless you lengthened an incredible amount.  For instance Im 5'7 and after the procedure will be around 5'9-5'10.  Kids with a 5'7 woman and 5'7 man means your sons would be 5'10 per the predictive calculators.  Obviously its a range, but your kids are not going to be shockingly short to your partner just because you had this procedure.  So just dont have kids with a short woman and it wont be an issue (how the tables turn).

[google42]

Do any of you post-LL guys have anecdotes of specific ways you've noticed your new height help you with women? I think we all know that an increase height has an obvious positive impact, but I'm sure it'd be reassuring for those of us considering it to hear specific accounts of how you've noticed the way women treat you before/after.

I think its clear that growing taller won't necessarily help you if you have poor game as it is, but for someone like myself who is 5'6 and has moderate success with attractive women, it'd be nice to hear about ways you've noticed women treat you before vs. after, particularly if your post-LL height puts you in the average to tall range where we'd expect to see the most significant improvements.

I think if you’re not attractive through other qualities like your face, body, personality, status or money, then adding three inches will have a marginal effect. adding 3 inches to anyone would not automatically make them a chick magnet, you need to have other things going for you especially the face. But the shorter you are the more of a positive effect this surgery would have on you, the closer you are to average height or taller the more other things start to matter.

[Icarus]

I think if you’re not attractive through other qualities like your face, body, personality, status or money, then adding three inches will have a marginal effect. adding 3 inches to anyone would not automatically make them a chick magnet, you need to have other things going for you especially the face. But the shorter you are the more of a positive effect this surgery would have on you, the closer you are to average height or taller the more other things start to matter.

Again, I think most conscientious people understand that being taller will not suddenly turn them into Brad Pitt. If they weren’t a social butterfly before, and had little going for them in other areas, height won’t make a big difference. I have plenty of taller friends who are unsuccessful with women, and their height does not make a difference. At the same time, there is no question though that height matters a LOT in terms of whether attractive women will even be receptive to you to begin with. 

What I’m speaking to is those men who feel that height was the biggest thing limiting them in relationships, and feel that the increased height has enhanced their lives in that area. In my case, I have a good face, I’m athletic, have good social skills, high social status amongst my peers, a great career, and am effective at attracting women who are receptive to me. I have, however, felt like I've reached a point of diminishing returns, finding that my height is precluding me from having as many options with women, and believe I would only see modest gains from broadening my social appeal, making a bit more money, or improving my fitness. Short of becoming famous, wildly successful, or taller, I don’t think there is much more I can do to improve in that department to improve my results. I have had many courtships in my life end due to women telling me that I am not tall enough for them, and many more where the woman was ambivalent and going back and forth because they enjoyed our time together, but weren't physically attracted enough to me to continue long-term.

I’d like to hear from men who had similar experiences and underwent LL. Do you notice more women looking at you in public settings? Do women approach you more? Do they string you along less? Do you feel like you have more wiggle room for mistakes in dating? Do you get more 2nd and 3rd dates, and get ghosted less often? etc.

[google42]

Again, I think most conscientious people understand that being taller will not suddenly turn them into Brad Pitt. If they weren’t a social butterfly before, and had little going for them in other areas, height won’t make a big difference. I have plenty of taller friends who are unsuccessful with women, and their height does not make a difference. At the same time, there is no question though that height matters a LOT in terms of whether attractive women will even be receptive to you to begin with. 

What I’m speaking to is those men who feel that height was the biggest thing limiting them in relationships, and feel that the increased height has enhanced their lives in that area. In my case, I have a good face, I’m athletic, have good social skills, high social status amongst my peers, a great career, and am effective at attracting women who are receptive to me. I have, however, felt like I've reached a point of diminishing returns, finding that my height is precluding me from having as many options with women, and believe I would only see modest gains from broadening my social appeal, making a bit more money, or improving my fitness. Short of becoming famous, wildly successful, or taller, I don’t think there is much more I can do to improve in that department to improve my results. I have had many courtships in my life end due to women telling me that I am not tall enough for them, and many more where the woman was ambivalent and going back and forth because they enjoyed our time together, but weren't physically attracted enough to me to continue long-term.

I’d like to hear from men who had similar experiences and underwent LL. Do you notice more women looking at you in public settings? Do women approach you more? Do they string you along less? Do you feel like you have more wiggle room for mistakes in dating? Do you get more 2nd and 3rd dates, and get ghosted less often? etc.

I agree with you 100%. A lot of people who do LL say height is what’s usually holding them back or still on their minds even if they got their life together. I remember reading through people’s diaries a few years ago and most said they did have a good boost in confidence, being treated normally or better, and having better luck with women.

[AllinStryde]

As long as you're tall, women will overlook any other bad trait.  A man can be unemployed, out of shape, unkept, etc, etc.  As long as he is tall, she'll chase him.  Height is literally the ticket to get in.  If you're short, your money, looks , personality, jester-maxing, and "status" won't matter.  Sure it will help, but at the end of the day she's always going to say..."but he's short."

[KingsRule]

As long as you're tall, women will overlook any other bad trait.  A man can be unemployed, out of shape, unkept, etc, etc.  As long as he is tall, she'll chase him.  Height is literally the ticket to get in.  If you're short, your money, looks , personality, jester-maxing, and "status" won't matter.  Sure it will help, but at the end of the day she's always going to say..."but he's short."

Well that depends on your definition of tall. 6’0 is almost considered the bare minimum for many women. I think 6’3 is the number where your height can outweigh any other failos you have. Guy on this forum are usually around the shorter end and rarely do you see guys above 6’0 getting this. I don’t think anyone will achieve a height here that makes women completely overlook their other traits. Remember 6’0 is the bare minimum for a lot of women in 2022. I have to do jestermaxxing, gymmaxxing and lifts at 5’8 to have a chance

[shortisnotfun]

Well that depends on your definition of tall. 6’0 is almost considered the bare minimum for many women. I think 6’3 is the number where your height can outweigh any other failos you have. Guy on this forum are usually around the shorter end and rarely do you see guys above 6’0 getting this. I don’t think anyone will achieve a height here that makes women completely overlook their other traits. Remember 6’0 is the bare minimum for a lot of women in 2022. I have to do jestermaxxing, gymmaxxing and lifts at 5’8 to have a chance

How did your dating life go though? It's better than being 5'5 though.

[informationispower]

How did your dating life go though? It's better than being 5'5 though.

I highly advise you to not take that user or the one above seriously. The toxicity is astounding. As a 5'7 guy I can tell you that at my height dating is fine. I might not get every girl I want (but who does really) but I am not being discarded automatically for being too short by the vast majority of girls and I only rarely got "you are too short" type of comments.
Some users here are either fake or completely lost mentally and only using this forum to vent so you should't take what they say to heart

[kamaruusman]

It's better than being 5'5 though.

You say this as a 5'2 guy?

[Vogel]

You say this as a 5'2 guy?

Stop trolling or I will call Leon Edwards for you 🤣

[lessthanavg8300]

6'0 is absolutely not the bare minimum for women no matter what they say or their filters on dating apps.  Its a stupid app trend thats not going to last.  Why?  Because its physically impossible for them to all be with men over 6 feet tall.  Theres very few men over that height.  So either they cave on that "requirement" or they will literally all be single their entire lives.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

Dating apps are 60-90% men so women on them can be extremely picky.

Want to meet a nice girl?  Do it in person.

[Icarus]

While I think having a defeatist attitude is not helpful at all, I do think that height is a tremendous hurdle to overcome in dating, and even some of us tend to underestimate it. I remember watching a special on ABC where a panel of women were asked to pick the man they’d most like to date out of a lineup of guys of various heights. They were told that the 5’11-6’2 guys had mediocre jobs, and that the 5’0-5’6 guys were surgeons, venture capitalists, chiefs of staff at a hospital, while on the side publishing best sellers, were champion skiers, and also gourmet chefs who were great with children. Despite that, nearly all of the women always chose the taller guys as the one they’d want to date. Even after piling on these insane credentials, none of them picked the 5’0 guy (in fact, they basically just mocked him), only one picked the 5’3 guy, the 5’6 guy was picked by half the women. But even when they thought he was a millionaire surgeon with tons of accomplishments, some women STILL chose the 6 foot plus gym teacher over him. When asked what it would take to make the 5’0 guy attractive to them, the women literally answered that the only way they’d choose him was if the rest of the lineup were murderers and rapists. It was messed up lol.

[shortisnotfun]

You say this as a 5'2 guy?

Yes. 5'5 is better than being 5'2. Not sure what you want from me lol

[lessthanavg8300]

I agree that height matters, I'm just saying that theres not a 6'0 cutoff like all guys online seem to be saying.  Thats actually impossible.  No women would have boyfriends.  There is however a cutoff at much shorter heights.

Being over 6'0 is like a girl with great tits.  Most women dont have great tits and well date them without them but its a bonus if they do have them.

[shortisnotfun]

I agree that height matters, I'm just saying that theres not a 6'0 cutoff like all guys online seem to be saying.  Thats actually impossible.  No women would have boyfriends.  There is however a cutoff at much shorter heights.

Being over 6'0 is like a girl with great tits.  Most women dont have great tits and well date them without them but its a bonus if they do have them.

To be honest, being short is more of a negative than being tall is a positive. This is why LL going from short to average has much better responses.