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[Sambollio]

On a 1-10 scale how much does a 3 inch lengthening increase someone’s rating. Does it increase more starting short and becoming average or going from average to tall etc. what about other height increases like 1,2 or even 5 inches?

[informationispower]

You will get better and honest answers asking women and men outside rather than in a forum full of height obssesed incels

But still, in my opinion going from short to average has bigger implications than going from average to tall. Rather than quantifying it by points look at it as an entrance ticket into the game. Height is a disqualifier in the sense that below a certain value, you are not taken into consideration.
There is even that incel height graph which showed that at 5'9 only 30% of women wont consider dating you vs 80% of women who won't at a height of 5'6.

[daikioni]

I think i can answer that.If you dont attract women at 5ft6 you will not at 5ft9.

[google42]

If you go from short to around average then it will make a difference but going from average to tall won't do much, height is one part of the package when it comes to dating. This can also be a very subjective thing, one person will say one thing and another person might say something else, the only way to find out for yourself is to either get leg lengthening or wear some shoes that give you height and then see the difference.

[shortisnotfun]

On a 1-10 scale how much does a 3 inch lengthening increase someone’s rating. Does it increase more starting short and becoming average or going from average to tall etc. what about other height increases like 1,2 or even 5 inches?

Well I am 5'2.5 almost 5'3 somedays. I know that if I was at least 5 foot 8 my attractiveness would increase 10-fold.

[AimHigh]

I am happily married to a slim 5 4 ,beautiful 8/10 woman , I was never that interested in what other women thought of me, but for some reason I just really cared how I was perceived as a person by others, I am Caucasian with good proportions and slim,  I usually rate around 7/10 on looks based online and in-person assessments.
I am telling You all stuff as I noticed female interest has grown remarkably  since I have grown from 5 7 to 5 10.5, even from women in their 20'a and 30's (I am 56), I think at 5 7 I was automatically discounted as a potential romantic partner by most women, but now I am in their ideal/acceptable height "zone" they are suddenly checking my looks and career and showing interest (even though I have been married for 37 years) - frankly I am kinda disgusted by this change and am quite dismissive of their interest, I feel they are shallow as I am the same person I was at 5 7.
I am so glad I found a woman before my CLL as otherwise I would probably doubt her attraction to me as a person, and this might ruin our relationship eventually.
 

[we.live.once]

this is maybe not to all, but generally sure, especially for men, I believe generally it will be good for dating and career.

[1team]

Well I am 5'2.5 almost 5'3 somedays. I know that if I was at least 5 foot 8 my attractiveness would increase 10-fold.

How tall are your parents?

[1team]

I am happily married to a slim 5 4 ,beautiful 8/10 woman , I was never that interested in what other women thought of me, but for some reason I just really cared how I was perceived as a person by others, I am Caucasian with good proportions and slim,  I usually rate around 7/10 on looks based online and in-person assessments.
I am telling You all stuff as I noticed female interest has grown remarkably  since I have grown from 5 7 to 5 10.5, even from women in their 20'a and 30's (I am 56), I think at 5 7 I was automatically discounted as a potential romantic partner by most women, but now I am in their ideal/acceptable height "zone" they are suddenly checking my looks and career and showing interest (even though I have been married for 37 years) - frankly I am kinda disgusted by this change and am quite dismissive of their interest, I feel they are shallow as I am the same person I was at 5 7.
I am so glad I found a woman before my CLL as otherwise I would probably doubt her attraction to me as a person, and this might ruin our relationship eventually.

If you don't mind my asking are you much older than your wife?

[Sambollio]

dismissive of their interest, I feel they are shallow as I am the same person I was at 5 7.
I am so glad I found a woman before my CLL as otherwise I would probably doubt her attraction to me as a person, and this might ruin our relationship eventually.

I feel this, I am worried I’ll be bitter in the post LL dating market, or at least suspicious. Would you say you went up to an 8/10 now in the eyes of other? More, less?

[Sambollio]

You will get better and honest answers asking women and men outside rather than in a forum full of height obssesed incels

But still, in my opinion going from short to average has bigger implications than going from average to tall. Rather than quantifying it by points look at it as an entrance ticket into the game. Height is a disqualifier in the sense that below a certain value, you are not taken into consideration.
There is even that incel height graph which showed that at 5'9 only 30% of women wont consider dating you vs 80% of women who won't at a height of 5'6.

I agree that this isn’t an accurate group to poll but this post is more for fun than actually trying to gain meaningful insight. With the height you talked about would you say you go from a 5/10 to a 6/10 or even higher?

[Sambollio]

I think i can answer that.If you dont attract women at 5ft6 you will not at 5ft9.

This is just statistically wrong. Lookup “ women rejecting men based on height graph”

[Sambollio]

If you go from short to around average then it will make a difference but going from average to tall won't do much, height is one part of the package when it comes to dating. This can also be a very subjective thing, one person will say one thing and another person might say something else, the only way to find out for yourself is to either get leg lengthening or wear some shoes that give you height and then see the difference.

If you had to put it on a 1-10 scale how much would say a 5/10 short man increase his score by going from short to average or average to tall? Btw this question is just for fun, not for any real data gathering.

[Sambollio]

this is maybe not to all, but generally sure, especially for men, I believe generally it will be good for dating and career.

If you had to put a number to it, an average looking but short 5/10 male went up 3 inches so he’s now average how much does his score  increase?

[informationispower]

I agree that this isn’t an accurate group to poll but this post is more for fun than actually trying to gain meaningful insight. With the height you talked about would you say you go from a 5/10 to a 6/10 or even higher?

I repeat... Height is an entrance ticket. If you are a 6 at 5'5, many women wont consider you, but if you become 5'8 more women will take notice of your 6. That's how I see it and how the incel height graph sees it

[shortisnotfun]

How tall are your parents?

My dad is 5'7 and my mother is 4'10.

[1team]

My dad is 5'7 and my mother is 4'10.

It's very hard to have a good height with a mother that short. Are they aware of your difficulties with your height?

[AimHigh]

Hey 1T - I am a little younger actually !

[AimHigh]

I normally rate looks based on facial features disregarding height tbh, but the interest level of females who see me in person is much higher post-cll., but ofc being happily married i don't show interest in return, and that eventually gets most women gone.
I am realising  Height is a gatekeeper (like math is for Engineering , so at average height I am now up for their consideration (or so they think lol).
Even my dear old mum lately said how handsome i am - I never heard her say that when i was 5 7 lol, and my Dad was 6 0, so i guess she likes tall guys...

[Caerulean_Cyborg]

Well here is a graph that at least correlates with my experience. I don't know where they have the data from, but appears to be true.
Though it was no problem for me to find a girlfriend being only 171 cm, it always was love on "second sight" for her: I became interesting only after some time, while taller guys are interesting immediatly.

https://imgur.com/eaV71AI

Considering this most women who are in relationship with a short guy will think "I wish he was taller" or are fantasizing about other men in their social sorrounding. Really being sxxually attracted to a short guy seems to be quite impossible. There are women who accept not to be sexually overly attracted to their partner, because the partner has other benefits (character).
But what kind of a feeling is it to know that she does not find you attractive but only likes your inner values?
In a relationship you should like both, the inner and outward values but small man can only have one. Thats why I do LL.

[we.live.once]

Well here is a graph that at least correlates with my experience. I don't know where they have the data from, but appears to be true.
Though it was no problem for me to find a girlfriend being only 171 cm, it always was love on "second sight" for her: I became interesting only after some time, while taller guys are interesting immediatly.

https://imgur.com/eaV71AI

Considering this most women who are in relationship with a short guy will think "I wish he was taller" or are fantasizing about other men in their social sorrounding. Really being sxxually attracted to a short guy seems to be quite impossible. There are women who accept not to be sxxually overly attracted to their partner, because the partner has other benefits (character).
But what kind of a feeling is it to know that she does not find you attractive but only likes your inner values?
In a relationship you should like both, the inner and outward values but small man can only have one. Thats why I do LL.

this is generally right, it also depends where you live, if you are in Vietnam, 175 would be tall enough, if you are in Holland, 185 yould be more prefered

[sy1555]

Yes.Do you think 175cm would allow someone to live without stress in most countries of the world?

[we.live.once]

Yes.Do you think 175cm would allow someone to live without stress in most countries of the world?

everyone here have or had stress

[boklecrt]

I am happily married to a slim 5 4 ,beautiful 8/10 woman , I was never that interested in what other women thought of me, but for some reason I just really cared how I was perceived as a person by others, I am Caucasian with good proportions and slim,  I usually rate around 7/10 on looks based online and in-person assessments.
I am telling You all stuff as I noticed female interest has grown remarkably  since I have grown from 5 7 to 5 10.5, even from women in their 20'a and 30's (I am 56), I think at 5 7 I was automatically discounted as a potential romantic partner by most women, but now I am in their ideal/acceptable height "zone" they are suddenly checking my looks and career and showing interest (even though I have been married for 37 years) - frankly I am kinda disgusted by this change and am quite dismissive of their interest, I feel they are shallow as I am the same person I was at 5 7.
I am so glad I found a woman before my CLL as otherwise I would probably doubt her attraction to me as a person, and this might ruin our relationship eventually.

mate you got with your woman almost 40 years ago, why do you think your experience has anything to relate to current society 2 generations later?

you got your woman at an age before widespread internet usage, smartphones and social media, and she was 3 inches shorter than you so she wasnt that bummed out about it

not attacking you at all, its just like the boomer memes of "pull yourself by the bootstraps" and "just go in there and give the manager a firm handshake and you get the job!" which have absolutely no base in current reality

i say just enjoy the fact that you lived in a much better era

[shortisnotfun]

mate you got with your woman almost 40 years ago, why do you think your experience has anything to relate to current society 2 generations later?

you got your woman at an age before widespread internet usage, smartphones and social media, and she was 3 inches shorter than you so she wasnt that bummed out about it

not attacking you at all, its just like the boomer memes of "pull yourself by the bootstraps" and "just go in there and give the manager a firm handshake and you get the job!" which have absolutely no base in current reality

i say just enjoy the fact that you lived in a much better era

I agree. Being 5'2.5 in current society as an adult male is comparable to being a leper. It's fine that he got his love and his wife, but society has changed so much these past decades. Boomers don't understand this at all.

[AimHigh]

mate you got with your woman almost 40 years ago, why do you think your experience has anything to relate to current society 2 generations later?

you got your woman at an age before widespread internet usage, smartphones and social media, and she was 3 inches shorter than you so she wasnt that bummed out about it

not attacking you at all, its just like the boomer memes of "pull yourself by the bootstraps" and "just go in there and give the manager a firm handshake and you get the job!" which have absolutely no base in current reality

i say just enjoy the fact that you lived in a much better era

TLDR - I am an old bastard and agree it is tough out there for single short men , but not impossible !.

I am not offended my friend, I acknowledge the 80/90's were great decades for shorter men looking for LTR's.
 I am red pilled and fully aware dating has become even more superficial and selective since Tinder etc , I agree that 80% of women find only the top 20% of men to be attractive, so 8/10 men will struggle to find a decent woman as they are all off chasing "Chad",  however I also know that women hit the wall much earlier than men so peak attractiveness for guys is in your 30's (or later) and for women it is the early/mid 20's, accordingly I encourage guys to get their lives/career/finances in order and don't give up on relationships until at least your mid 30's.
I also believe a 4/10 woman can easily have a body count higher than a 8/10 guy and this gives her a false idea of her SMV - but the 4/10 woman will eventually get real as she ages and struggles to find a LTR guy whilst being aware her Biological clock is ticking away.
In my previous post I concluded that Male Height was very often a female prerequisite for attraction (regardless of face), I have a 5 7 , 65 kg,  son who is 27 and found himself a very attractive and intelligent 5 4 Girl (from his friend group) some 6 years ago, She is pursuing a Medical degree , they have a one year old daughter.
Ofc my stories are subjective, dated and anecdotal - but I have seen that some women (even Modern ones) don't care too much about height, so live life and don't give up on Love, BTW my Dad was 35 YO when he met my 25 YO Mother.

[boklecrt]

TLDR - I am an old bastard and agree it is tough out there for single short men , but not impossible !.

I am not offended my friend, I acknowledge the 80/90's were great decades for shorter men looking for LTR's.
 I am red pilled and fully aware dating has become even more superficial and selective since Tinder etc , I agree that 80% of women find only the top 20% of men to be attractive, so 8/10 men will struggle to find a decent woman as they are all off chasing "Chad",  however I also know that women hit the wall much earlier than men so peak attractiveness for guys is in your 30's (or later) and for women it is the early/mid 20's, accordingly I encourage guys to get their lives/career/finances in order and don't give up on relationships until at least your mid 30's.
I also believe a 4/10 woman can easily have a body count higher than a 8/10 guy and this gives her a false idea of her SMV - but the 4/10 woman will eventually get real as she ages and struggles to find a LTR guy whilst being aware her Biological clock is ticking away.
In my previous post I concluded that Male Height was very often a female prerequisite for attraction (regardless of face), I have a 5 7 , 65 kg,  son who is 27 and found himself a very attractive and intelligent 5 4 Girl (from his friend group) some 6 years ago, She is pursuing a Medical degree , they have a one year old daughter.
Ofc my stories are subjective, dated and anecdotal - but I have seen that some women (even Modern ones) don't care too much about height, so live life and don't give up on Love, BTW my Dad was 35 YO when he met my 25 YO Mother.

its nice knowing we have some red pilled guys on here, makes for easier conversation. it is however forbidden on this particular forum so we shouldn’t overdo it

i just have to say your 5’7 son was smart to get with a girl from his social circle and if i understood he is a doctor so of course running future millionaire doctor game never hurts

normal women who dont think all short guys need to be gassed do exist, they are unicorns and they get snatched up for long term relationships fairly quickly into their late teens and early 20s. your absolute top priority as his father is to make sure he keeps his head screwed on straight and doesnt get some stupid ideas like dumping her or cheating and stuff, because getting back on the market would be a nightmare even for a doctor

you wont believe how much id pay to get back in time and live out my prime years 2 decades earlier before all this current shyte happened

[AimHigh]

He is a nurse now (and a really great Dad), but he was an unemployed bum living at home and playing/creating video games all day when they first got together, but yes he quickly realised that he needed to change if he hoped to keep her - and to his credit he went off to Nursing School (He won Student of the Year  and was Student Rep. as well) and got his car licence in quick order lol.
I think too many women nowadays have an inflated idea of thier SMV, and too many Simp's are only making things worse, my son really loves this Girl (and She loves him) and being with her has made him a better man, he is very competent in all he does (he was just not motiviated when single) I think he will rise to the top in his career, I will kick his ass if he goes chasing other women - but atm i just can't see that happening...

[informationispower]

Simps are the root of modern dating problems... highly attractive guys were always super successful with women but before the simp epidemic most women were content with average men. Now days since they recieve infinite attention o social media, their ego and smv is highly inflated. On the positive note, most of these women who are addicted to social media, arent worth more than a ONS.

[shortisnotfun]

Simps are the root of modern dating problems... highly attractive guys were always super successful with women but before the simp epidemic most women were content with average men. Now days since they recieve infinite attention o social media, their ego and smv is highly inflated. On the positive note, most of these women who are addicted to social media, arent worth more than a ONS.

Simps doesn't matter. I'm 5'2. There was never a chance for me, simps or not.

[informationispower]

Simps doesn't matter. I'm 5'2. There was never a chance for me, simps or not.

Your case is very different as your height is not common at all *I can count on one hand the amount of guys your height or lower I have seen in my life. Actually to be sincere, in your case I believe that the national healthcare should provide you with the possibility to do LL as your height is way way way below the 3%