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[NotTall84]

I really dont understand where this average of 5'9 came from here in America.

Every other man I see seems to be 6ft or more.

[KiloKAHN]

It's just you.

[NotTall84]

It's just you.

No, my dear bhai, it isn't.

I am 5'9 and the overwhelming majority of men are not just taller than me, many tower over me.

[Hatch]

I'm 5'10 and feeling quite short. Especially young men are so tall. Among young men 6ft is almost average in Europe nowadays. In night life i feel super short but at daytime there is lot more short men around and my self esteem rises back.

[shortisnotfun]

It is just you and your mental illness. AKA height dysphoria

[NotTall84]

It is just you and your mental illness. AKA height dysphoria

I am not mentally ill. It's unfair to label me as such. Not cool.

[Oil and Fish]

I hope you are not trolling, because I lived in America for many years and I see A LOT OF  men under 6ft, which is pretty common case.

[informationispower]

Just you.
Do the surgery already instead of suffering so much

[boklecrt]

OP keeps seeing lanklet zoomer phaggots with broccoli hair out and about in groups of 1 guy and 3 girls and gets the idea that all of them are tall as sheet and that feeds his height neurosis

relax OP, as height is on a bell curve, its a statistical fact that short young guys do exist in massive quantities, but they are more than likely at home pornhubmaxxing and videogamemaxxing as current generation of women have no filter when it comes to freely stating their true opinion of all vertically disadvantaged men so they see no point in playing a rigged game in a society that hates them

oh well.

no other way to fix height neurosis but with LL, therapy is a scam, and it'll never leave the back of your mind every time a tall guy passes by and towers over you

DO IT

[NotTall84]

OP keeps seeing lanklet zoomer phaggots with broccoli hair out and about in groups of 1 guy and 3 girls and gets the idea that all of them are tall as sheet and that feeds his height neurosis

relax OP, as height is on a bell curve, its a statistical fact that short young guys do exist in massive quantities, but they are more than likely at home pornhubmaxxing and videogamemaxxing as current generation of women have no filter when it comes to freely stating their true opinion of all vertically disadvantaged men so they see no point in playing a rigged game in a society that hates them

oh well.

no other way to fix height neurosis but with LL, therapy is a scam, and it'll never leave the back of your mind every time a tall guy passes by and towers over you

DO IT

Well, it's not just zoomers but their generation is a lot taller I have noticed.

Also,women even in my age group (I'm 37) have no issue in dating much younger men which leaves older shorter guys like me out in the dust.

I never cared much about my height till I immersed myself in Internet culture and dating. I had a sudden moment of clarity and realized something I never even thought about probably affected my life completely.

It was like a smack in the face and a hand around my neck.

I see from your signature you have had LL, has it improved your life a lot? I'm at the height you are now basic and still feel short. Seems like anything under 6ft will be looked at as short.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

You never cared about your height until you immersed yourself in a toxic trolling culture that doesn't match reality.  There's your problem.  Crap like Tinder is 80% guys who swipe right on every girl.

Like the guy who didn't care about being muscular until he started watching pro wrestling, and starts thinking of himself as a puny wimp who had better dedicate his life to bodybuilding or he will never be good enough.

(That guy was me in the early 2000s by the way.  Getting LL and watching what happened to guys I idolized like Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit cured me of that form of body dysmorphia.)  Luckily for you at your height, all you need is a reality check to be cured of yours.

[NotTall84]

Maybe I was just oblivious to everything because of work and school and hobbies.

Chris Benoit was my favorite wrestler. He wasn't Short, I think he was close to 6ft wasn't he? Sucks what happened.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

Work, school, and hobbies are real life.

That incident actually happened while I was in China.  As with all wrestlers, their billed heights and weights were exaggerated.  Benoit and Guerrero were about 5'8 and 5'6 in shoes.  Roided up to the max to make up for their lack of height.

[Oil and Fish]

Maybe I was just oblivious to everything because of work and school and hobbies.

Chris Benoit was my favorite wrestler. He wasn't Short, I think he was close to 6ft wasn't he? Sucks what happened.

Then you should focus on those things that you already uncovered to be ignored by yourself instead of distorting the reality like every man around you is over 6ft, which is very contrary to the reality.

Height can just boost up your self-esteem dating pool and maybe occupational opportunities and that's all. Don't get too obsessed with it.

I suggest if you are still unable to get LL just focus on other things and don't immerse yourself in height-related toxic stuffs like men under 6ft are non-human or similar baloneys. They are harmful to your life and you should keep yourself safe, albeit, height is important in modern world, but never can benefit the family, society and world like having good capacities personalities educations etc.

[NotTall84]

^^^^^

The problem is that height obsession is so damn prevalent. Women are heightists, even obese, unattractive women are obsessed with tall men.

And tall men will obviously play into this as well to boast themselves up.

I am able to get LL but I am hesitant about the pain and suffering afterwards. It's the only thing stopped me from doing it.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

You don't know what real height discrimination is until you've been short.  Yeah, nobody's going to admire you and love you for your height.  Poor you, you'll have to win people over on merit.  If you can't handle playing the game of life on normal mode then your problem isn't in your legs, it's in your head.

[boklecrt]

Height can just boost up your self-esteem dating pool and maybe occupational opportunities and that's all. Don't get too obsessed with it.

"just"
Literally all the things that matter in life. Besides those what else is there? Muh hobbies? Muh dog?

You don't know what real height discrimination is until you've been short.  Yeah, nobody's going to admire you and love you for your height.  Poor you, you'll have to win people over on merit.  If you can't handle playing the game of life on normal mode Nightmare mode then your problem isn't in your legs, it's in your head.

Fixed that for you

[boklecrt]

Well, it's not just zoomers but their generation is a lot taller I have noticed.

Also,women even in my age group (I'm 37) have no issue in dating much younger men which leaves older shorter guys like me out in the dust.

I never cared much about my height till I immersed myself in Internet culture and dating. I had a sudden moment of clarity and realized something I never even thought about probably affected my life completely.

It was like a smack in the face and a hand around my neck.

I see from your signature you have had LL, has it improved your life a lot? I'm at the height you are now basic and still feel short. Seems like anything under 6ft will be looked at as short.

i did LL yes and it did improve my life. 2 inches aint a joke, it sounds like a tiny amount, and when you put your fingers 2 inches apart it seems like nothing but when you put it on the legs its a completely different story. thats almost an entire deviation upwards

what im very thankful to the entire process is that it made me appreciate many things in life i never cared for before such as

being able to take a sheet and get up from the toilet and enter the shower and have a nice hot shower standing up without having to spend a lot of time calculating your movements and figuring out with which hand should you support yourselves at each step
having a pain free body
being able to go anywhere on a whim and enjoy life and hobbies and socializing


i lost 6 months of my life to this because i kept it a secret from 100% of my friends and family, however in return i got 2 inches taller, longer beautiful tibias and cured height dysphoria for the tiny amount of money I paid(paid like 20k for a 4 month package) makes it all worth it

now if i had to go through this entire 6 month ordeal because of some kind of a car accident without gaining height, i would've been hellishly depressed and angry

[NotTall84]

i did LL yes and it did improve my life. 2 inches aint a joke, it sounds like a tiny amount, and when you put your fingers 2 inches apart it seems like nothing but when you put it on the legs its a completely different story. thats almost an entire deviation upwards

what im very thankful to the entire process is that it made me appreciate many things in life i never cared for before such as

being able to take a sheet and get up from the toilet and enter the shower and have a nice hot shower standing up without having to spend a lot of time calculating your movements and figuring out with which hand should you support yourselves at each step
having a pain free body
being able to go anywhere on a whim and enjoy life and hobbies and socializing


i lost 6 months of my life to this because i kept it a secret from 100% of my friends and family, however in return i got 2 inches taller, longer beautiful tibias and cured height dysphoria for the tiny amount of money I paid(paid like 20k for a 4 month package) makes it all worth it

now if i had to go through this entire 6 month ordeal because of some kind of a car accident without gaining height, i would've been hellishly depressed and angry

How are you now? Any real lasting negative effects at all?

You are right, even 2 inches can change the way a man thinks. Imagine being 5'6 and you become 5'8. You are not closer to "average" and won't be looked at as the short guy. I know 5'9 is not technically short, but I wouldn't mind sacrificing half a year to be 6ft, as long as I can make a good recovery.

[boklecrt]

How are you now? Any real lasting negative effects at all?

You are right, even 2 inches can change the way a man thinks. Imagine being 5'6 and you become 5'8. You are not closer to "average" and won't be looked at as the short guy. I know 5'9 is not technically short, but I wouldn't mind sacrificing half a year to be 6ft, as long as I can make a good recovery.

im doing fine, super tight in the mornings but stretches out as you walk to the toilet to take a piss after that its fine. im 4 months into recovery. i dont see why there would be any lasting negative effects, ive got union on all 4 bones and just need to continue my recovery is all


no need to imagine anything, i got from 5 7 to 5 9. its good enough for me, its 5'11 with my shoes which feels plenty "enough"
yes there are MANY taller guys than me but at that height the difference is not that big so i dont feel immediately threatened and on edge when a tall guy is next to me

for 6 ft you need 3 inches

6 months is for 2 inches on tibia

for 3 inches you need femurs, and internal at that. do not obsess about calculating your bone lengths and proportions and all that  . forget about all that. just get your cash together, get a good doc and do it

if youre able to devise a solid plan for working-saving and then having 7-9 months free to focus on the whole process you should do it. or if you have savings already

id have LL instead of buying a 60k fancy car or something. much better return on investment(permanently and for life)

[Polvorón]

I am not mentally ill. It's unfair to label me as such. Not cool.

I agree.

I believe that the size could be lower because the average is including the height of very short people.

[Oil and Fish]

"just"
Literally all the things that matter in life. Besides those what else is there? Muh hobbies? Muh dog?

Fixed that for you

Well Maybe I gotta be kinda cynical here but since this is LL forum it's lack of empathy to cope how bad being short which I also didn't deny but there are more things irl than height and there are more worse things than being short and if u think being short is the end of the world you probablt need serious therapy.

I am not coping just tell u the truth that height should not surpass everything and being short is not the worst thing.

Your mental illness distorts the reality even after LL is done. That's why I suggest therapy prior to LL, not because LL will do psychological screening but also if your distorted mind is untreated it will probably relapse even after L is done

[informationispower]

The truth is in between. Saying height doesnt matter is bull . Saying height is all that matters is bull . Height has an impact, especially for guys who are lije below 170cm. I am 171cm tall and had a good success with women and with career. I am sure though that things would have been better on the dating scene if I was taller. But here I am about to marry to a good looking woman even though according to the fatalists on this forum, that should be impossible because I am only 5'7.5 and below average.

But still, I would never tell a guy my height or especially shorter, that his problems in dating have nothing to do with his height... that is some serious cope

[NotTall84]

The truth is in between. Saying height doesnt matter is bull . Saying height is all that matters is bull . Height has an impact, especially for guys who are lije below 170cm. I am 171cm tall and had a good success with women and with career. I am sure though that things would have been better on the dating scene if I was taller. But here I am about to marry to a good looking woman even though according to the fatalists on this forum, that should be impossible because I am only 5'7.5 and below average.

But still, I would never tell a guy my height or especially shorter, that his problems in dating have nothing to do with his height... that is some serious cope

The tallest guy I know is 6'6 and a literal bum. He is homeless and on drugs. Good guy, but life got the best of him early on. Probably because he is decent hearted. The shortest guy I know  is 5'5. He is a millionaire with many sports cars and homes. He lives the "American Dream" lifestyle and he is also a very shrewd  man without mercy when it comes to money.

I do not know how height influenced their lives exactly. My observations are that the big guy was seen as a simpleton and used for his size and brute strength, this probably led to him ending up in bad situations with bad people. The short guy probably was abused and attacked for his stature, making him a bit tougher and resilient. He is into boxing and self-defense and I get the feeling he was bullied.

This could all be B.S., no way to prove it without asking them.

I do not think the shorter guy would be less successful if he was taller. The tall guy would probably have been worse off if he was shorter.

Something that we can not control like height does have an effect on our daily lives. Same thing as skin color. You can  not choose your skin color, yet people abused and enslaved others because of it for centuries. In modern day, our society looks down on short men because short men are seen as weak and not fitting the traditional gender role that a man is suppose to play.

[henryjacob1]

You don't know what real height discrimination is until you've been short.  Yeah, nobody's going to admire you and love you for your height.  Poor you, you'll have to win people over on merit.  If you can't handle playing the game of life on normal mode then your problem isn't in your legs, it's in your head.

I completely agree

[Oil and Fish]

"just"
Literally all the things that matter in life. Besides those what else is there? Muh hobbies? Muh dog?

Fixed that for you

With all respect I don't think LL is really worthy for you, because your height neurosis does not seems to be tackled.
IMO:Friendship>Intelligence>Love>Health>Status>Money>EQ>Appearance>Family.
I don't think you know the importances of things prioritized to Appearance in my ranking, or probably you already suffice in those regards and it's pretty normal for people to fixate on things that they lack.
Two options for me:
1.188cm+Intellectual Disability(other things are just average)
2.140cm or even under+IQ well above 160.(other things are equal to those in the above option)
I will run for the second option.

[boklecrt]

With all respect I don't think LL is really worthy for you, because your height neurosis does not seems to be tackled.
IMO:Friendship>Intelligence>Love>Health>Status>Money>EQ>Appearance>Family.
I don't think you know the importances of things prioritized to Appearance in my ranking, or probably you already suffice in those regards and it's pretty normal for people to fixate on things that they lack.
Two options for me:
1.188cm+Intellectual Disability(other things are just average)
2.140cm or even under+IQ well above 160.(other things are equal to those in the above option)
I will run for the second option.

i reread your post like 5 times and still couldnt understand it

what is the progression with the >>'s supposed to mean?

[AllinStryde]

All the younger guys now are tall because we are finally seeing the repercussions of women's "6 feet or more" requirement for their partners.  It's producing a taller generation.  Pretty soon the narrative will be " 6'4" or nobody" from women.  And that will continue the trend.  Even middle school boys on average are like 5'8" - 5'10" now, no joke. 

[Kangaroo]

Don't know what is 'Pregnant Effect', checked.
Don't know what is 'Haste generalization', checked.
Don't know how to measaure accurately your own height, very possibly according to my experiences, checked.
Don't know the average height of America has stagnated for decades and even dropping, checked.

So it is just you.

[Kangaroo]

The truth is in between. Saying height doesnt matter is bull . Saying height is all that matters is bull . Height has an impact, especially for guys who are lije below 170cm. I am 171cm tall and had a good success with women and with career. I am sure though that things would have been better on the dating scene if I was taller. But here I am about to marry to a good looking woman even though according to the fatalists on this forum, that should be impossible because I am only 5'7.5 and below average.

But still, I would never tell a guy my height or especially shorter, that his problems in dating have nothing to do with his height... that is some serious cope

Depends on by what you evaluate your own life. If you think, that your life should be assessed mostly by your appearance, then ofc height matters like hell, but there are other things that you can work on that have more meanings if you think life should be judged by your value that you can contribute to the world, then height matters little.

I found out this forum is very demeaning closer to a toxicity because there are only a very few outputs of significant contributions, not to mention positivities. Dumping negativities into public platforms is never a good idea and do something directly to improve your mental healths is what you should do, guys.

[Kangaroo]

You never cared about your height until you immersed yourself in a toxic trolling culture that doesn't match reality.  There's your problem.  Crap like Tinder is 80% guys who swipe right on every girl.

Like the guy who didn't care about being muscular until he started watching pro wrestling, and starts thinking of himself as a puny wimp who had better dedicate his life to bodybuilding or he will never be good enough.

(That guy was me in the early 2000s by the way.  Getting LL and watching what happened to guys I idolized like Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit cured me of that form of body dysmorphia.)  Luckily for you at your height, all you need is a reality check to be cured of yours.

I am missing the days when we were opening the ways for various subjects in the last century huh? In that century people were caring way more about your aptitudes and achievements, substituted with obsessions into face build and height and similar bull s by the more and more intoxicating modern ideologies.