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[leonazul99]

Thanks, I live a crazy life since getting divorced in 2020.  I moved to Colombia/Mexico and all my friends are in their 20s and I don’t date/f-u-c-k women above 24.  I look like I’m in my late 20s/early 30s. I did the surgery on a whim and it was not a life long passion.  Someone I loved (not my ex wife) broke my heart in a terrible way and I later remembered she made fun of various parts of my physique.  So I decided this would be a year of transformation to build myself into a Greek god physically and a personal challenge to withstand the pain and struggle. Hence the surgery.  I make more money than betz a year but not by much.  He makes around 17k per surgery.

Would you please stay out of my threads and go bother someone else.  If this continues, I will stop posting and leave this forum to the detriment of the members here.

hey buddy boyo i just wanted to congratulate you on your adventure

i know we spoke in your other thread about the "positive experiences" when you told people about your lengthening, but i just wanted you to know that all that time i thought you are born in 99 aka youre early 20s and babbling about the LL to other early 20s guys and girls but now i see youre 39 so obviously your friends and stuff are other 40 year olds

please disregard my observations in that thread, it was meant for a young guy currently fighting for his place among the gen Z crowd, yours is a completely different story, you obviously are chasing a life long dream of finally curing yourself from the curse of manletism with your 2 betz surgeries and women in your age group wouldnt even give a crap anyway since money talks at that age, and it seems by the fact that youre dropping 100+k right into dr Betz's 7th ferrari fund you got that sorted out proper

good luck mate wish you all the best!

[leonazul99]

 

[boklecrt]

gee, i state my support for a fellow heightmaxxer and wish him well on his 2 back to back surgeries and thats the thanks i get?

kinda rude there dont you think buddy boyo


but anywayzz, thanks for the laughs and good luck with all that

[leonazul99]

Here is the first post op X-ray from 2 weeks ago.  About 5cm here.  Becker said it looked good with good callus.

[balme]

Thanks, I live a crazy life since getting divorced in 2020.  I moved to Colombia/Mexico and all my friends are in their 20s and I don’t date/f-u-c-k women above 24.  I look like I’m in my late 20s/early 30s. I did the surgery on a whim and it was not a life long passion.  Someone I loved (not my ex wife) broke my heart in a terrible way and I later remembered she made fun of various parts of my physique.  So I decided this would be a year of transformation to build myself into a Greek god physically and a personal challenge to withstand the pain and struggle. Hence the surgery.  I make more money than betz a year but not by much.  He makes around 17k per surgery.

Would you please stay out of my threads and go bother someone else.  If this continues, I will stop posting and leave this forum to the detriment of the members here.

he sounds like an incel adapting this forum, please stop updating your story because of some toxic wannabes. best wishes on your journey.

[balme]

please don't stop updating your story because of some people. best wishes on your journey.

[leonazul99]

please don't stop updating your story because of some people. best wishes on your journey.

thank you 🙏🏼

[Growth.journey]

Hi Leon
Thanks so much

Questions
Questions
- Is it safe to bend over and pick up something off the floor?
- Can I work out if lying on a bench
- Do I need a physio or is dedicated stretching by yourself enough?
- How long do I need crutches for 7-8cm at 15 clicks per day
- How short distances I can walk around without crutches (5 mins? 20 mins?) is it risky to do this?
- Can I walk my dog with it?
- Possible to still have sex?
- Can I cook or will I need crutches
- Lifts in shoes? Or not good
- Best stretches?
- How do I get home with crutches and luggage
- Sleeping position at night. Can I lie on my side?
- Sleeping tablets a good idea at night?
- What’s stretches and exercises should I do prior to coming?
- Have you noticed more attention from ladies?
- What are the key things to avoid risking  a bent nail or screw.
- What are the key things to pack when coming over?
- Any good excuses to tell coworkers?
- Is it possible to work in office full time after surgery or is too hard.

[leonazul99]

Hi Leon
Thanks so much

Questions
Questions

*I'm about 90 days post op.*

- Is it safe to bend over and pick up something off the floor? It's more of a bend down motion but it's still difficult and slow and scary that I may fall.  It helps to hold onto something.  That object has to be worth it or I ask for help.
- Can I work out if lying on a bench Yes
- Do I need a physio or is dedicated stretching by yourself enough? You need physio, for the physio, stretching and possible assisted clicks
- How long do I need crutches for 7-8cm at 15 clicks per day, I'm not sure.
- How short distances I can walk around without crutches (5 mins? 20 mins?) is it risky to do this? Depends on where you are in the healing phase.  At this point I can do 5 min at home.
- Can I walk my dog with it? No, your dog can pull you and make you fall, I wouldn't risk it.
- Possible to still have sxx? Yes 
- Can I cook or will I need crutches with crutches but moving around the kitchen without is fine, getting an assistant is better.
- Lifts in shoes? Or not good not sure what you mean here, where comfortable slippers and sneakers throughout
- Best stretches? research
- How do I get home with crutches and luggage wheelchair service and assistant
- Sleeping position at night. Can I lie on my side? back and stomach, side for me is a no.
- Sleeping tablets a good idea at night? yes
- What’s stretches and exercises should I do prior to coming? research forum
- Have you noticed more attention from ladies? I'm around the same people now but if you mean new people at a club, etc, they will notice your crutches before your height.  But at times without the crutches, yes you will feel taller and get more looks.
- What are the key things to avoid risking  a bent nail or screw. putting too much weight on it, falling, drastic movements
- What are the key things to pack when coming over? research
- Any good excuses to tell coworkers? don't know, I work from home and am the owner
- Is it possible to work in office full time after surgery or is too hard. see above

[leonazul99]

Day 90

Measured myself at physio today and the height predicted by the betznail clicks exactly match what I should be.  I'm at 175.4 today started at 169.3.  4cm to go to get to 10cm and then if I'm doing well will ask betz for permission to go to 11cm. Continue to take pain meds and work from home.  Clicks are painless.  No long term knee pain, etc.  I do have a bit of meralgia parestetica on the L side with numbness but that should resolve.  I have no duck ass but I do have wide leg secondary to tight IT band. Able to walk maybe 5 min without crutches.  I had some pain in the greater trochanter area on both sides where the IT band connects and I think it developed into trochanteric bursitis (inflammation).  I went to a local physiatrist (PMR doctor) and he injected a long acting bethamethasone (steroid) solution with ultrasound imaging and now the pain/inflammation in those areas is completely gone.  Legs are quite tight when I wake up but moving them around helps.  Overall, I'm quite pleased with my surgery.

[tallertree]

Since you have reached about 5-6 cm i would strongly recommend to stand in front of a mirror nked to see if you feel your femur looks to long. I especially recommend to also sit dont and see how your legs look compared to your upper body when you sit down.

[Bagga]

Tibias with Betz Nails.
Do you know how to twist the legs with tibias lengthening?
Have you done it yet? more pains than Femurs?

[EndGame]

Hope things are going well and you achieve your goals. 
What is your sitting height?

[leonazul99]

“ Since you have reached about 5-6 cm i would strongly recommend to stand in front of a mirror nked to see if you feel your femur looks to long. I especially recommend to also sit dont and see how your legs look compared to your upper body when you sit down.”

I don’t care honestly. I want my 10-11cm

[leonazul99]

Tibias with Betz Nails.
Do you know how to twist the legs with tibias lengthening?
Have you done it yet? more pains than Femurs?

I saw a patient do it in front of me.  It is internal and external rotation at the ankle joint. I’d like to talk to a betz tibia patient as well buts it’s all femurs that I know of

[leonazul99]

“ Hope things are going well and you achieve your goals. 
What is your sitting height? ”

Thank you and Not sure

[Bagga]

yes...I m interested to do Tibias LL
However, i can only see the Femur LL lengthening video by Betz institute
Jus curious how the ankle being twisted 90 degree...so scary

[RealLostSoul]

The

yes...I m interested to do Tibias LL
However, i can only see the Femur LL lengthening video by Betz institute
Jus curious how the ankle being twisted 90 degree...so scary

Hi, the clicking with tibia is much much easier and painless than with femur. That‘s about the only better thing about tibia LL though. Tibia is a much tougher, complicated and longer surgery than femur. You can gain much less height and only click 7-10 clicks a day, plus the consolidation is also longer. It takes much longer to heal for less height. And IIRC you also need one additional surgery to adjust the screw angle or something like that (at the end of lengthening, to ensure correct axis).
 IMO everyone should always go femurs first. Then tibia but only if it really is necessary. I much rather push my stretching during femur LL and get as much as possible and then be happy about it. 

(Unless you can for whatever reason only choose external methods, then I would not do femur - but I wouldn‘t do a cosmetic lengthening with externals to begin with).

[boklecrt]

he sounds like an incel adapting this forum, please stop updating your story because of some toxic wannabes. best wishes on your journey.

well thats a bit passive aggressive there isnit it

balme are you still salty i told you to use the search button on your undescended testicle thread? its not my fault you dont know how to use a search button or the modify post button

also remind me again who of us has done the surgery and who goes around peoples threads asking them how they are walking, you know, to find out the true wannabe

Here is the first post op X-ray from 2 weeks ago.  About 5cm here.  Becker said it looked good with good callus.

a whole week and not a single forum buddy boyo has decided its a good idea to aware our future greek god slayer of 24 year old latinas that he has a pronounced proximal varus deformity

i thought this forum was a place of sharing and support, where is your team spirit guys?

[leonazul99]

I asked you not to post on my threads.  Please pass me your home address so I can come by and break your legs for you a second time.  No charge mate. Vietnam wouldn’t be a problem.  Let’s see if I can call your doctor and figure out who you are by your detailed diary with some bull  or I wonder if 100k would sway his ethics.  I have a lot of time now to get my team working on this.

well thats a bit passive aggressive there isnit it

balme are you still salty i told you to use the search button on your undescended testicle thread? its not my fault you dont know how to use a search button or the modify post button

also remind me again who of us has done the surgery and who goes around peoples threads asking them how they are walking, you know, to find out the true wannabe


a whole week and not a single forum buddy boyo has decided its a good idea to aware our future greek god slayer of 24 year old latinas that he has a pronounced proximal varus deformity

i thought this forum was a place of sharing and support, where is your team spirit guys?

[boklecrt]

I asked you not to post on my threads.  Please pass me your home address so I can come by and break your legs for you a second time.  No charge mate. Vietnam wouldn’t be a problem.  Let’s see if I can call your doctor and figure out who you are by your detailed diary with some bull  or I wonder if 100k would sway his ethics.  I have a lot of time now to get my team working on this.

hey buddy boyo, glad you answered so quickly

if you weren't making such hilarious posts i wouldnt have been enjoying laughing at the things you say. are you even hearing yourself? in what universe would a doctor take "100k to sway his ethics", jeopardizing 20 years of reputation and potential losses of hundreds of future patients and millions of revenue when it gets around he done this

this is not a turkish doctor buddy boyo, no luck


what i can offer you is you give me that 100k and i will personally welcome you at the airport, drive you to my home address in my own vehicle, ill even get a boxing ring set up in front of my house for our little throwdown, however you would have an advantage on me as the crutches would be considered extra weapons that i dont have

what do you say? transferwise me that amount and ill get everything sorted real quick


anyway, but seriously, you also need to lighten up and stop seeking so much validation from complete strangers on the internet

the fact of the matter is that you have bilateral proximal femur varus, this is not my laymans opinion, i asked a certain doctor on the forum who is active and he made the diagnosis

a better way to spend your energy is into figuring out when and how to get that deformity fixed

[4cm]

hey buddy boyo, glad you answered so quickly

if you weren't making such hilarious posts i wouldnt have been enjoying laughing at the things you say. are you even hearing yourself? in what universe would a doctor take "100k to sway his ethics", jeopardizing 20 years of reputation and potential losses of hundreds of future patients and millions of revenue when it gets around he done this

this is not a turkish doctor buddy boyo, no luck


what i can offer you is you give me that 100k and i will personally welcome you at the airport, drive you to my home address in my own vehicle, ill even get a boxing ring set up in front of my house for our little throwdown, however you would have an advantage on me as the crutches would be considered extra weapons that i dont have

what do you say? transferwise me that amount and ill get everything sorted real quick


anyway, but seriously, you also need to lighten up and stop seeking so much validation from complete strangers on the internet

the fact of the matter is that you have bilateral proximal femur varus, this is not my laymans opinion, i asked a certain doctor on the forum who is active and he made the diagnosis

a better way to spend your energy is into figuring out when and how to get that deformity fixed

Sorry boklerct, but I have to tell you that, for a Vietnamesse doctor or not, he can sell anything for less than 100k, you were well treated because you are white, don’t trust them they don’t have honor.

[leonazul99]

Sure I’ll wire you that 100k.  Bank needs a name and address 

hey buddy boyo, glad you answered so quickly

if you weren't making such hilarious posts i wouldnt have been enjoying laughing at the things you say. are you even hearing yourself? in what universe would a doctor take "100k to sway his ethics", jeopardizing 20 years of reputation and potential losses of hundreds of future patients and millions of revenue when it gets around he done this

this is not a turkish doctor buddy boyo, no luck


what i can offer you is you give me that 100k and i will personally welcome you at the airport, drive you to my home address in my own vehicle, ill even get a boxing ring set up in front of my house for our little throwdown, however you would have an advantage on me as the crutches would be considered extra weapons that i dont have

what do you say? transferwise me that amount and ill get everything sorted real quick


anyway, but seriously, you also need to lighten up and stop seeking so much validation from complete strangers on the internet

the fact of the matter is that you have bilateral proximal femur varus, this is not my laymans opinion, i asked a certain doctor on the forum who is active and he made the diagnosis

a better way to spend your energy is into figuring out when and how to get that deformity fixed

[leonazul99]

Hey guys I’m at 8.2cm now. Wide leg continues to get worse and I basically deduced my IT band was never released.  PM if you want to know the details.  I’m flying to Greece with Dr. G to get the IT bank cut and resolve the wide leg.  The wide leg makes it hard to walk and stand but I understand it will resolve itself.  After crossing 7cm, there is more pain at the areas the IT band inserts into and occasional knee pain.  Everything just seems tighter.  No duck ass.  And height on nails equals measured height, nothing lost. I stretch with therapy twice a day now.  Going for 10.5cm to get to my 180cm unless knee pain or something else makes overwhelming.  Looking forward to going to Greece with my girl

At roughly 7.5cm:

[sixfootandhalf]

Hey guys I’m at 8.2cm now. Wide leg continues to get worse and I basically deduced my IT band was never released.  PM if you want to know the details.  I’m flying to Greece with Dr. G to get the IT bank cut and resolve the wide leg.  The wide leg makes it hard to walk and stand but I understand it will resolve itself.  After crossing 7cm, there is more pain at the areas the IT band inserts into and occasional knee pain.  Everything just seems tighter.  No duck ass.  And height on nails equals measured height, nothing lost. I stretch with therapy twice a day now.  Going for 10.5cm to get to my 180cm unless knee pain or something else makes overwhelming.  Looking forward to going to Greece with my girl

At roughly 7.5cm:

You are so nearly there!

When did the wide legs/walking become a problem for you?

I am hoping to do 7.5/7.95 R and L respectively, and am hoping that 2 months post surgery i can walk 95% normally with an undetectable gait. Possible or optimistic?

[leonazul99]

Approaching 9cm.  Taking some days off here and there because of knee pain.  Knee pain is scary to me because I don't want it to be long term.  I've been on oxycodone 20mg 2-3x a day for the past two weeks to manage the pain and treatment for OIC side effects. Using buprenorphine knee patches. Also had steroid injections into various joints with a physiatrist under ultrasound over the past two months to lower pain. There is no clicking pain but to be clear, lots of pain at the femoral head (where it band connects), at the R knee, and PSIS in the lower sacrum and in psoas muscle.  Everything is very tight and natural position is for legs to be in flexion at 30 degrees or so at the knee, I have to stretch with pain to keep motion there.  Fisio comes to house twice a day over the past six weeks as it became difficult to go clinic.  Walking is 5 min max and showering is back to using a chair.  Standing up and just being erect is painful because of wide leg and tightness.  Wide leg is extreme.  I also have meralgia paresthetica in the left leg which numbness to touch because of lateral cutaneous nerve entrapment.  Hopefully it doesn't develop into shooting pain.  In general, living with lots of pain beginning a month ago. I was offered to a second release of the IT band with the team for 10k which included 10 days of fisio. Feel like this should have been free but hey.

The positive: No particular other pain in any muscle group.  No duck ass. Nail clicks equal exactly height gained per measurement. It's cool to be taller than my physio now as I measured myself against him since the beginning as well.  IT band tightness is reversible and I will return to normal soon.  Just have to be patient.  Good bone growth. No bent nails, etc. Becker is quick to respond on WhatsApp with any issues and will schedule a call with you if needed. Scars are minimal.

Sleeping is difficult even with the pain meds and occasional 0.5mg of Xanax (I am aware of mixing opioids and benzos). I stopped stretching the IT band 3 weeks ago because of the intense pain it would later cause and it not doing anything to relieve it band tightness.  All this because of wide leg because my IT band was not released properly and I was given a "soft release" that works "until 6cm" [Becker's words] instead of the normal one where I told Betz I wanted 10cm and states that in my chart.  Was also charged for it when I shouldn't have been.  I am looking forward to less pain and more walking with the it band release in Greece in about two weeks.  Guys get your IT band cut properly if doing more than 6cm on the femur. Also, the Betz team is now just Becker outside of the OR.  I'm not sure who does the actual surgery.  You'll never see Betz or get his opinion on anything again if you leave Germany. Although Becker seems very nice we are paying for the 30 years of expertise and case experience of Dr. Betz. All the extra medical care and medication was organized by me (I used to be a practicing physician) as the advice of the Betz team is to "stretch more....take an extra novagen."

Had video consult with Dr. G before booking tickets and he seems quite profesional.  Cost of IT band release is very low as well and he is not making any profit on this.  I chose him because of the same situation here with SIRSTRETCHALOT.

Support of my mexicana girlfriend who sleeps with me nightly  and my friends and my team of local medical professionals have been invaluable.  Could never do this alone in some hotel room or even alone going to physio.  Get your support network in place. Better to do this in a rich country and then chill in Thailand with a girl while healing than alone in Germany if those are your options.

I offered my physio a $500 bonus if we reach 10cm together.  Let's see what happens

[Limbfan2020]

Hi, when did the knee pain start? Did you tell Becker/Betz about it?

[balme]

Approaching 9cm.  Taking some days off here and there because of knee pain.  Knee pain is scary to me because I don't want it to be long term.  I've been on oxycodone 20mg 2-3x a day for the past two weeks to manage the pain. Using buprenorphine knee patches. Also had steroid injections into various joints with a physiatrist under ultrasound over the past two months to lower pain. There is no clicking pain but to be clear, lots of pain at the femoral head (where it band connects) at the R knee, and PSIS in the lower sacrum and in psoas muscle.  Everything is very tight and natural position is for legs to be in flexion at 30 degrees or so at the knee, I have to stretch with pain to keep motion there.  Fisio comes to house twice a day over the past six weeks as it became difficult to go clinic.  Walking is 5 min max and showering is back to using a chair.  Standing up and just being erect is painful because of wide leg and tightness.  Wide leg is extreme.  I also have meralgia paresthetica in the left leg which numbness to touch because of lateral cutaneous nerve entrapment.  Hopefully it doesn't develop into shooting pain.  No particular other pain in any muscle group.  No duck ass. Sleeping is difficult even with the pain meds and occasional 0.5mg of Xanax (I am aware of mixing opioids and benzos). I stopped stretching the IT band 3 weeks ago because of the intense pain it would later cause and it not doing anything to relieve it band tightness.  All this because of wide leg because my IT band was not released properly and I was given a "soft release" that works until 6cm instead of the normal one where I told Betz I wanted 10cm and states that in my chart.  Was also charged for it when I shouldn't have been.  I am looking forward to less pain and more walking with the it band release in Greece in about two weeks.  Guys get your IT band cut properly if doing more than 6cm on the femur.

Why Betz so against IT band release?

[leonazul99]

Hi, when did the knee pain start?

At around 7.5cm.  It is there in both legs but much more present in the R leg.  Ironically not there with clicking, just flexion and extension and internal rotation of the knee.

[leonazul99]

Why Betz so against IT band release?

I'm not here to trash Betz, so I won't answer this publicly. But know he is doing soft releases for everyone.  Or Becker that is

[balme]

I'm not here to trash Betz, so I won't answer this publicly. But know he is doing soft releases for everyone.  Or Becker that is

Nothing to trash about. I just wonder what is his explanation because there must be a reason, right?