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[Hobbit]

I’m about 5’8 and really want to get to 6’1. I did a 13cm mockup and I looked pretty good since my torso and wingspan are relatively longer than my legs. However, if I lengthen 8cm on my femurs and a year later lengthen 5cm in my tibia, will there be a drastic loss of athleticism? The main sports I do is lifting (upper body only), boxing and bjj so I won’t need to run a lot but i’m afraid I won’t be able to walk normally. Has anyone here done quadrilateral lengthening of 10cm+? If so, please share you experience.

[JJ299]

Try looking at Japanese twitter bloggers. Lot of them do quads and their diaries are fairly detailed/frequent with pictures.

[tallmen]

I’m about 5’8 and really want to get to 6’1. I did a 13cm mockup and I looked pretty good since my torso and wingspan are relatively longer than my legs. However, if I lengthen 8cm on my femurs and a year later lengthen 5cm in my tibia, will there be a drastic loss of athleticism? The main sports I do is lifting (upper body only), boxing and bjj so I won’t need to run a lot but i’m afraid I won’t be able to walk normally. Has anyone here done quadrilateral lengthening of 10cm+? If so, please share you experience.

It's not practical. Tight hamstrings and quads will already put a lot of pressure on your knees.

[Hobbit]

Would you mind linking some of their twitters?

[Hobbit]

What if I gain a fair amount of flexibility before the surgery?

[tpe2018]

Try looking at Japanese twitter bloggers. Lot of them do quads and their diaries are fairly detailed/frequent with pictures.

Where can I find it?

[tallmen]

What if I gain a fair amount of flexibility before the surgery?

All your flexibility will go to shiitt. IT band cut will swell up your side and you'll be on bed rest and with distraction hamstrings and quads will get real stiff and it's hard to do physio with all that pain. It's fking hard it's no joke. 1st do 1 segment and then you'll realize.

[randy]

All your flexibility will go to shiitt. IT band cut will swell up your side and you'll be on bed rest and with distraction hamstrings and quads will get real stiff and it's hard to do physio with all that pain. It's fking hard it's no joke. 1st do 1 segment and then you'll realize.

how difficult is it to work on the computer?

[JJ299]

Where can I find it?

Would you mind linking some of their twitters?

pm'd

[randy]

pm'd

I am also interested please

[Hobbit]

Have you done the surgery?

[motoboarder]

how difficult is it to work on the computer?

For the first 2 months I could not focus on any computer cognitive task for more than 30min. Because the constant stretch in your muscles keeps your brain busy handling it.

[motoboarder]

Generally I don't recommend lengthening 5in. If you really want beyond 4in, don't do qualilateral because too likely you won't make it.

[Hobbit]

I said i’m planning to do femur and then tibia a year later. I’m not doing simultaneous quadrilateral lengthening.

[motoboarder]

I said i’m planning to do femur and then tibia a year later. I’m not doing simultaneous quadrilateral lengthening.

ahh.. ok. good luck

[randy]

ahh.. ok. good luck

Is it better to do 8cm in femurs or 4.5cm in femurs and 3.5cm in tibias simultaneously? I am asking purely medically and not anything else. Is it easier to stretch each bone segment for a short length (BUT simultanesouly) or stretch just the femur for 7-8cm?
Is simulataneous quad known to be "safe" as per research? Because Ilizarov showed us that it is ok to lengthen 1mm per day. But if we lengthen 1mm of each segment of the same leg 1mm per day then it is 2mm per day, isn't it?

And Thank you motoboarder for sharing your experience with us.

[motoboarder]

Is it better to do 8cm in femurs or 4.5cm in femurs and 3.5cm in tibias simultaneously? I am asking purely medically and not anything else. Is it easier to stretch each bone segment for a short length (BUT simultanesouly) or stretch just the femur for 7-8cm?
Is simulataneous quad known to be "safe" as per research? Because Ilizarov showed us that it is ok to lengthen 1mm per day. But if we lengthen 1mm of each segment of the same leg 1mm per day then it is 2mm per day, isn't it?

And Thank you motoboarder for sharing your experience with us.

IMO it's better to do 4.5cm femurs, 3.5cm tibias simul than whole 8cm femur. However if doing just 1 segment, I'd never exceed 4cm tibia or 6cm femur. I personally concluded these numbers from collective research from patient experiences/advices from this forum, cyborg4life blogs and few other medical articles related to LL.

Stretching for simul quad requires more effort as there're more exercises to cover all muscle groups. However to your question, in general yeah, I think distributing the "stress workload" (including stretching) to 2 segments is easier than asking just the femurs to achieve the whole 8cm.

"Is simul quad safe" - I think so. I survived, about >1mo into consolidation now. Flexibility still good until the end, so that the strictest PT at Paley's asked me "any reason you do NOT want to continue lengthening?". I was back to work the day I stopped lengthening, 40h/week software engineering i.e. cognitive function is as fine as before lengthening. I feel stable walking (actual alter steps) using walker, no duck ass. I'm not allowed standing/walking unaided yet so can't comment on that at this point. My thought.. to assess "safe", you have to be responsible with your own lengthening process: be disciplined with stretching/exercise, maintain healthy lifestyle/environment, stay relaxed, eat well, etc and most importantly, listen to your body. I.e. never rush getting more mm/day.

If you do simul quad, the medical standard of lengthening is .75mm/day femurs, .5mm/tibia, giving you 1.25mm/day of height gain. Some patients slow down a bit toward the end if they get tight. It should be unethical to lengthen faster than this.

[Hobbit]

What do you think of lengthening 7.5 in femur and 4.5 in tibia? Because if i’m 171cm, those lengths will make me 183cm(6ft) which is a great height.

[motoboarder]

What do you think of lengthening 7.5 in femur and 4.5 in tibia? Because if i’m 171cm, those lengths will make me 183cm(6ft) which is a great height.

I think it's quite a stretch on your body. A height gain should be practical to your biological body i.e. how much it can tolerate. Aiming for a fixed target too far is superficial IMO.

If this number is really important to you, do femur surgery first and tibia a year later, like someone here suggested. Get 3 month pre-surgery stretch (aim your goal to be a dancer!), work hard in each stage and listen to your body. Still I think don't fixate your mind on any number. Because should you not hit it, your mood would be down, impacting recovery. In other words, work hard but take it easy.

[Hobbit]

Ok thx for the advice.

[Hobbit]

Did you do femur and tibia with precise?

[Hobbit]

I’m not planning to do simultaneous. I want it to be atleast 1 year apart

[motoboarder]

Did you do femur and tibia with precise?

Yeah internal rod. I believe it's precice 2.2.

[Hobbit]

Were you flexible before your lengthening? Did you do any stretches before surgery?

[motoboarder]

Were you flexible before your lengthening? Did you do any stretches before surgery?

I was not naturally flexible. Yep, before surgery date, I stretched for 3 months, 45-60m every day. Check the 1st few posts of my diary, I had link to the exact exercises that I followed. I also explained how far you need to push to become crazily flexible compared to a normal person.

[Hobbit]

Since you were quite flexible leading up to the surgery, why didn’t you lengthen upto 8cm in the femurs and 5 cm in the tibia?

[motoboarder]

A number of reasons: I don't have big torso nor long arms, proportion would look weird pass 10cm; satisfied with this new height and it was my goal (achieved); <=10cm (for simul quadrilateral) was spec in the medical guideline given by Paley's; most importantly healthier recovery & life post LL. Even with this arguably moderate amount, I still had complication: a small area in front of my right tibia has alter sensation. The numbness started to happen at about 2week left of lengthening. This is usually a sign of later nerve pain/damage. If I continued further, very likely I'd have had it.

[Hobbit]

In your opinion, do you think lengthening 8cm on the femurs is a good idea?

[TranslatingWithWriting]

Many patients did 10cm+ lengthening on this forum and the most difficult part for you to undergo may be the 8cm femurs part. This will be very painful and time-consuming.

[motoboarder]

In your opinion, do you think lengthening 8cm on the femurs is a good idea?

Strong no IMO. If I did femur alone, I'd be comfortable with <=6cm, 6.5 if I stretch my comfort zone. Thigh muscles connect between your butt, back, hips, knee, all over the place. 8cm would pull too much and too likely will cause some chronic pains. Now look at the additional height gain, if you stand next to a guy 2cm taller than you, it doesn't look much different. The taller you are/were, the less noticeable.

[motoboarder]

I talked to some patients pushing through 8cm. In their words "the last few cm is the hardest, you just wanna quit" - my comment, well, if you're in this mindset, you're torturing your body. Why would you do that?.. My body never had this mindset during lengthening. So really, a good rule of thumb is to observe and listen to yourself, how you feel, during lengthening.