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[TranslatingWithWriting]

Please!! I was joking!

I know. I was just extending the current situations of CLL in China.

[djimbo9]

It's not short in the US, but it's kind of borderline.

It's definitely short anywhere on the planet. You're still short regardless of statistics telling you you're average. This is coming from a 5'8 ''man''.

[TranslatingWithWriting]

It's definitely short anywhere on the planet. You're still short regardless of statistics telling you you're average. This is coming from a 5'8 ''man''.

"You're still short regardless of statistics telling you you're average"

There is something wrong with you other than your height, maybe in your head. End of story.

[djimbo9]

I don’t understand very well this aspect of the forum when people just vent their judgement about other people's body and height when it's out of context and out of any meaningful contribution.
Of course it's different if we are discussing the case in terms of each one experience and its plans, objectives  frustrations, asks opinions about options of lenghtening amount , etc.
But just saying X cm is being short to a guy that will never be able to grow past the "personal" criteria of somebody about what should the ideal human being height. It is arrogant, even sounds a bit racist and is definitely not nice. We should support each other, people with heightism discrmination views only contribute to more individual discrimination and more suffering. I don't know what "heightists" come to do here . In my view they just don't have a place here unless we want a forum mainly dedicated to eugenism and body mechanics where short and "short" people are hurt and in a way almost insulted. Are we ready to decide and "tell" that somebody is fat, or is from a short height "race", with "bad genes".
Or maybe those guys are either already in a high degree of height neurosis or are just kids, still too young to not really know what they vent out their mouth.

This bloke called me racist for pointing out the obvious that 5'8 is short LMAO. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone's feelings but everything below 5'9 is indeed short regardless of what ''average height statistics'' tell you. Just because Jack next door is the same height and you make up the average doesn't mean you're not short. 5'9 to 5'11 is normal, 6ft and above is tall (in all but 3-4 countries in the whole world). I'm 5'8, I feel like a manlet and I know I'm one. I honestly don't care if I'll be branded RACIST for pointing out obvious truths lmao. You think I'm happy having this body and trying to delude myself I'm not short? For the record the average height in my country is exactly 5'8. And the last part that will definitely infuriate this moron that I'm quoting... yes, like it or not, we... do have bad genes. Deal with it.

- Racist

[ilovescience]

It's definitely short anywhere on the planet. You're still short regardless of statistics telling you you're average. This is coming from a 5'8 ''man''.

Sorry but a little bit confused here. Sorry that my communication skills isn't good. If a person his height is the same as the average height recorded on the statistics, he isn't short right?

You are 5'8, that isn't short. In your country when you go out in public, do you feel the majority of people are taller than you?

Which country are you from?

Thanks.

[djimbo9]

"You're still short regardless of statistics telling you you're average"

There is something wrong with you other than your height, maybe in your head. End of story.

Again I'll be extremely realistic and I'll say my head is messed up because of my insecurities, sure, I'm not going to try and delude myself like some guys on this thread. Anything below 5ft10 is short and you all know it, I know it hurts but again, deal with it. I'm wearing tall shoes, no insoles, I get to 5ft10 with those and I still feel very short in a country with a 5ft8 average. Don't go nuclear on me, it's not my fault we've all got messed up genetics. If you deny that then why are you here? Go be happy being 5ft8 and below just because the average in some Asian country is 5ft or whatever.

[djimbo9]

Sorry but a little bit confused here. Sorry that my communication skills isn't good. If a person his height is the same as the average height recorded on the statistics, he isn't short right?

You are 5'8, that isn't short. In your country when you go out in public, do you feel the majority of people are taller than you?

Which country are you from?

Thanks.

You're not getting my point bro. And yes, I'm definitely short. When I go out in public, I feel like I'm either the same or smaller than the rest of the men. I'm from Bulgaria, Balkans yeah but fortunately the shortest Balkan nation. Can only imagine what our neighbours have to endure.

[ilovescience]

You're not getting my point bro. And yes, I'm definitely short. When I go out in public, I feel like I'm either the same or smaller than the rest of the men. I'm from Bulgaria, Balkans yeah but fortunately the shortest Balkan nation. Can only imagine what our neighbours have to endure.

The average height of Bulgaria is 5'7, so you are slightly above the average. 5'8 is leaning on taller side!?
https://www.insider.com/tallest-people-world-countries-ranked-2019-6#25-new-zealand-17134cm-5-feet-745-inches-1

[djimbo9]

The average height of Bulgaria is 5'7, so you are slightly above the average. 5'8 is leaning on taller side!?
https://www.insider.com/tallest-people-world-countries-ranked-2019-6#25-new-zealand-17134cm-5-feet-745-inches-1

I'm telling you the reality bro. Will you find comfort knowing that your neighbour Joe is 5ft10, your other neighbour is 5ft6, now you're comfortable being 5ft8 despite what your brain and the mirror are saying? So many people got triggered by this harsh reality, I got called an incel and a racist, can't make this S up. You gotta be really desperate to rely on 'statistics'. Reality is different.

[ReadRothbard]

It's definitely short anywhere on the planet. You're still short regardless of statistics telling you you're average. This is coming from a 5'8 ''man''.

And I am telling you that you're wrong. It's not as if I don't go outside; I can tell that I'm only 1.5-2 inches shorter than the average guy I see at work, the gym, the grocery store, etc.

[djimbo9]

And I am telling you that you're wrong. It's not as if I don't go outside; I can tell that I'm only 1.5-2 inches shorter than the average guy I see at work, the gym, the grocery store, etc.

Damn... you're ONLY 2 inches shorter than the AVERAGE guy?... I guess that makes you anything but short...

[ilovescience]

And I am telling you that you're wrong. It's not as if I don't go outside; I can tell that I'm only 1.5-2 inches shorter than the average guy I see at work, the gym, the grocery store, etc.

I don't know if it has to do with visual effect.

When I approached someone same as my height, if that person is strong or bulk up, I feel he is an inch taller than me.
If he os skinny, I feel like about the same or I am a little taller.

Did you feel the same thing when approaching your friends same as your height?

[djimbo9]

I don't know if it has to do with visual effect.

When I approached someone same as my height, if that person is strong or bulk up, I feel he is an inch taller than me.
If he os skinny, I feel like about the same or I am a little taller.

Did you feel the same thing when approaching your friends same as your height?

Yeah, definitely, it's all about the visual effect. Finally someone with sense. You might look like a complete manlet and people mistake you for a teenager but but but statistics tell me I'm average, I'm not short!!!1!!

[TranslatingWithWriting]

Can we end this stupid and pointless dispute?

Back to OP's question, I watched Cy4borglife's vids about Paley, and Paley recommended Option 5 if you really want to go beyond 13-15cm but yeah I don't think it's also valuable bc you can just go for 12-13cm and as for only 3-4cm it does not matter that much not to mention you gotta pay extra several thousands of dollars.

[djimbo9]

We can end the pointless discussion and each to their own. I'm gonna take my chance to ask, what are the reasons behind people not doing 10cm femurs? I've seen a guy do it with Betz but all other diaries are like 7-8cm max. IMO, if you're going to pay that much money and go through all that pain and isolation, why not max it out? But then again, this is why I'm asking, there's obviously a reason behind it. I doubt a person doing 8cm wouldn't do 10 if he knew it'd be safe. Is aesthetics the issue then? Or loss of athleticism? Or an increased chance of an injury? I don't care about the first two but the last one is obviously a deal breaker if that's the case.

[ilovescience]

We can end the pointless discussion and each to their own. I'm gonna take my chance to ask, what are the reasons behind people not doing 10cm femurs? I've seen a guy do it with Betz but all other diaries are like 7-8cm max. IMO, if you're going to pay that much money and go through all that pain and isolation, why not max it out? But then again, this is why I'm asking, there's obviously a reason behind it. I doubt a person doing 8cm wouldn't do 10 if he knew it'd be safe. Is aesthetics the issue then? Or loss of athleticism? Or an increased chance of an injury? I don't care about the first two but the last one is obviously a deal breaker if that's the case.

Probably complications is the reason, or injury that happens unexpectedly after LL.

[TranslatingWithWriting]

We can end the pointless discussion and each to their own. I'm gonna take my chance to ask, what are the reasons behind people not doing 10cm femurs? I've seen a guy do it with Betz but all other diaries are like 7-8cm max. IMO, if you're going to pay that much money and go through all that pain and isolation, why not max it out? But then again, this is why I'm asking, there's obviously a reason behind it. I doubt a person doing 8cm wouldn't do 10 if he knew it'd be safe. Is aesthetics the issue then? Or loss of athleticism? Or an increased chance of an injury? I don't care about the first two but the last one is obviously a deal breaker if that's the case.

10cm femur is possible but you also gotta take individual time enduring and athleticism after LL. It's not solely money.

[djimbo9]

I"d really wanna do 10cm femurs, that's why I'm asking but I'm kinda creeped out because no one seems to be doing it. I don't play any sports so athleticism is not an issue for me as long as I can walk without looking like a penguin.

[ilovescience]

I"d really wanna do 10cm femurs, that's why I'm asking but I'm kinda creeped out because no one seems to be doing it. I don't play any sports so athleticism is not an issue for me as long as I can walk without looking like a penguin.

Does your country offer LL now? Or are you planning to fly to a different country for LL?

[djimbo9]

Does your country offer LL now? Or are you planning to fly to a different country for LL?

No one here knows what LL is (fortunately). I've booked with Betz already and I really wanna take my max. For me, it's not only about not being short, I wanna be tall, not normal. Furthermore, in a country like Bulgaria, you need height for another reason too... men here simply won't respect you unless you've got a respectable look. It's not as civilized as the Western countries, you won't be able to say a word against their opinion because you'll instantly be called out, it's like only the strong have a voice of opinion here. That's why I'm asking the more knowledgeable for their opinion on someone at 173cm adding 10cm on their femurs.

Also. I've worn height insoles in the past, 2'' ones. With the shoes added, I was at 180cm but I still didn't feel like a 180cm man, it's like it's a different thing with a guy being a natural 180cm and someone my height with shoes that add 7cm to get to 180cm. I wonder if this will be more normal if I'm at a good height already with longer legs, I really wish I could see myself after +10cms on my femurs wearing my boots that have a fat insole (6cm) and adding another 5cm with the height insoles. Should be at 194cm this way, how I wish I could get a visualisation of this purely for the motivation...

[informationispower]

No one here knows what LL is (fortunately). I've booked with Betz already and I really wanna take my max. For me, it's not only about not being short, I wanna be tall, not normal. Furthermore, in a country like Bulgaria, you need height for another reason too... men here simply won't respect you unless you've got a respectable look. It's not as civilized as the Western countries, you won't be able to say a word against their opinion because you'll instantly be called out, it's like only the strong have a voice of opinion here. That's why I'm asking the more knowledgeable for their opinion on someone at 173cm adding 10cm on their femurs.

Also. I've worn height insoles in the past, 2'' ones. With the shoes added, I was at 180cm but I still didn't feel like a 180cm man, it's like it's a different thing with a guy being a natural 180cm and someone my height with shoes that add 7cm to get to 180cm. I wonder if this will be more normal if I'm at a good height already with longer legs, I really wish I could see myself after +10cms on my femurs wearing my boots that have a fat insole (6cm) and adding another 5cm with the height insoles. Should be at 194cm this way, how I wish I could get a visualisation of this purely for the motivation...

Tall shoes and insoles actually mimic tibial lengthening as your knee ends up highier. By walking at 180cm with tall shoes, you are basicalli looking like you lengthened your tibs by 5cm (if you are 173cm) and wearing normal sneakers that all add 2cm usually. If you dont like the look, it means tibial lengthening is not for you

[djimbo9]

Tall shoes and insoles actually mimic tibial lengthening as your knee ends up highier. By walking at 180cm with tall shoes, you are basicalli looking like you lengthened your tibs by 5cm (if you are 173cm) and wearing normal sneakers that all add 2cm usually. If you dont like the look, it means tibial lengthening is not for you

I wanna do femurs 10cm if I could. I wonder if the circumstances will allow. How do you see a 183cm man wearing 6cm boots with 5cm height insoles inside? How do you compare him to a let's say 192cm man wearing 2cm shoes? How different would I look?

[AimHigh]

i did 8cm on LFem (precice), last few cm were very tough (sometimes could only manage 0.25 mm per day), I am lengthening RFem now (Precice) am at 6.2 cm and was at 0.75 from 5-6cm and now down to 0.5 mm per day - my leg is so tight, I cant imagine getting to 10 cm tbh (and the last 4cm alone would take me at least 80 days !!).

[djimbo9]

Why is it getting tougher in the last parts of the game? Could it be because you're in your 50s?

[AimHigh]

Below 1mm per day it is not the bone but rather soft tissue that limits lengthening, immediately post op your femur resembles a large smooth sausage due to swelling, and your knee flexion is lucky to reach 90 degrees,  you must wait at least 4 days for this swelling to subside before lengthening can begin , the next 2-3 weeks are not to bad (only bone growth rate of 1 mm per day is limiting factor) as the femur muscles/fascia and tendons are not under great tension, but then they become the limiting factor as their elastic limits are reached and you enter the painful tearing/ plastic deformation stage.
I was very flexible (pre CLL  at 49 YO had a -21 cm sit reach test), but yes my age (55 now) definitely makes my muscles/tendons more limiting and tighter than a younger person undergoing LL.

[djimbo9]

How can I tell if I’d be able to pull the miraculous 10cm? I’m 22, 173cm, unsure on leg measurements and etc?

[thaw1010]

How can I tell if I’d be able to pull the miraculous 10cm? I’m 22, 173cm, unsure on leg measurements and etc?

Be young flexible and have decent proportions

[ilovescience]

How can I tell if I’d be able to pull the miraculous 10cm? I’m 22, 173cm, unsure on leg measurements and etc?

You're 22? Maybe you are still growing. Did you get the bone checked by doctor?

[YungGud]

You're 22? Maybe you are still growing. Did you get the bone checked by doctor?

Growing in your 20s is bullsh*t fairytale from prehistoric times...you body   continue grow but wider and internal organs

[informationispower]

I wanna do femurs 10cm if I could. I wonder if the circumstances will allow. How do you see a 183cm man wearing 6cm boots with 5cm height insoles inside? How do you compare him to a let's say 192cm man wearing 2cm shoes? How different would I look?

You will look like a man walking on stilts.I am yet to see a post ll patient that did 6-7cm+ on one segment that looked 100% natural. 6cm for me, is the upper limit a person can lengthen before starting to look odd. This is solely based on pics and vids of patients post ll. Just to add, starting to look odd does not mean looking bad. Looking bad for me is when patients get to 10 and beyond... never seen someone who lengthened that much that looked good.

Edit: also, the best recoveries I have seen are of people who did a max of 6cm on femurs and 5 on tibs. The videos of Turkish surgeon patients who did more are not reliable in my opinion and user heightjourney who recently posted a video of stretching, can bearly flex his knees beyond 90° degrees and he did 7cm with an excellent surgeon

[TranslatingWithWriting]

You will look like a man walking on stilts.I am yet to see a post ll patient that did 6-7cm+ on one segment that looked 100% natural. 6cm for me, is the upper limit a person can lengthen before starting to look odd. This is solely based on pics and vids of patients post ll. Just to add, starting to look odd does not mean looking bad. Looking bad for me is when patients get to 10 and beyond... never seen someone who lengthened that much that looked good.

Edit: also, the best recoveries I have seen are of people who did a max of 6cm on femurs and 5 on tibs. The videos of Turkish surgeon patients who did more are not reliable in my opinion and user heightjourney who recently posted a video of stretching, can bearly flex his knees beyond 90° degrees and he did 7cm with an excellent surgeon

As far as I am concerned if you wanna go beyond 5-6cm you should consider femurs+tibias otherwise not only will it be dangerous but also singular lengthening over 5-6cm will ruin your leg proportions.