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[lokariototal]

So What Im reading is that, once you do LL, your legs will simply not work as before. You will invariably lose mobility and athleticism

Is this true???

[idealist]

yes.

[LLprime3]

It's only true for the majority. Exceptionally athletic people live differently and don't represent the norm.

Here's are some examples:

Person A is average in terms of everything and athletic abilities. He scores 50/100 points that includes everything to measure his athletic abilities. He never does LL.

This same person A in an alternative scenario could have lived the life of an athlete before LL, and scored 90/100 points. After LL and 2 years of recovery he scores 70/100 points. He is still better than any average person and better than his own average alternative in this thought experiment.
And from 70/100 points on he can work his way up again. Of course, if his pre LL athletic version never stopped training, and he competes against this ideal version who now reached a score of 95/100, he can't catch up to this timeline. But he can still score 91/100 after LL, and be better than he was years ago, when he scores 90/100 before LL.

Looking at mock ups of people who come here, it represents the majority. Skinny or overweight like a child, and weak relative to the full potential of a man.

Nowadays people have such weak minds when it comes to working out, they see someone who is better than all non-trained people, and they assume they could never reach that level, even though they could. At some point in life, the athlete was average too...

That is why the response "You won't reach your pre LL atheltic level after LL" is a message from average people directed to other average people who check out from the responsibility to recover fully and beyond by labeling it as an impossiblity. You should know yourself in which category you fall.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

If Sweden had worked as hard as he did after LL but without LL, I think he'd be better off than he is now.

[Wanderlust]

for me its true, but let's see after 1 year of pushing myself using my original workout regimen and see how much athleticism I can get back.

[BelowTheMean]

I don’t think I’m ever going to get back to my pre-LL athletic level, but that’s okay. I could run a mile in under 5:30 before LL and my goal is to run a mile in under 9:00 after LL. I haven’t reached the goal yet, but I think I can get there before the end of the year. Based on the performance of my legs after surgery I just can’t conceive of how I could get back to a sub-6 mile.

I have no idea what that LLprime3 guy is talking about. If he thinks a pro athlete can do LL and stay pro then he obviously hasn’t done LL before…

[pandemic_exploiter]

I'm still recovering (only at 1 year post-op) but it feels like the only thing holding me back is that one of my femurs hurts after a lot of high intensity movement.

I feel like for femur LL, your range of motion / mobility doesn't change too much, no?

[LLprime3]

I have no idea what that LLprime3 guy is talking about. If he thinks a pro athlete can do LL and stay pro then he obviously hasn’t done LL before…

I understand that my two diaries are not popular, but in two days I will have finished my second LL surgery, with a total increase of
+7.85 cm on femurs and
+5.3 cm on tibias.

Even though I did not fully recover after over a year from my femur surgery, I can still see how I will get back to my previous levels in about 3 years. Recovery is also limited by time, not just exercises. These processes to heal damaged tissues, healing processes in general really take up time. When I tried to get in a good but short run, I would sometimes have to recover for weeks because I damaged something else in the process. If it wasn't for this, there would be no limitations to my training, other than will and stamina.

I will let people know if I manage to recover beyond expectations.

[LL2022]

This may be off topic but may I ask which methods you used for lenghtening, and if the process was more difficult for tibias or femurs?

[Upgrade]

I understand that my two diaries are not popular, but in two days I will have finished my second LL surgery, with a total increase of
+7.85 cm on femurs and
+5.3 cm on tibias.

Even though I did not fully recover after over a year from my femur surgery, I can still see how I will get back to my previous levels in about 3 years. Recovery is also limited by time, not just exercises. These processes to heal damaged tissues, healing processes in general really take up time. When I tried to get in a good but short run, I would sometimes have to recover for weeks because I damaged something else in the process. If it wasn't for this, there would be no limitations to my training, other than will and stamina.

I will let people know if I manage to recover beyond expectations.

You will not be the same, because you got older.  Three years older.  As you age, regardless of CLL or not, your athletic abilities will decrease.  The male athletic abilities peak around the age of 26.  Afterward, you will start declining. 

If you need your athletic abilities then do not do CLL. 

[BelowTheMean]

I understand that my two diaries are not popular, but in two days I will have finished my second LL surgery, with a total increase of
+7.85 cm on femurs and
+5.3 cm on tibias.

Even though I did not fully recover after over a year from my femur surgery, I can still see how I will get back to my previous levels in about 3 years. Recovery is also limited by time, not just exercises. These processes to heal damaged tissues, healing processes in general really take up time. When I tried to get in a good but short run, I would sometimes have to recover for weeks because I damaged something else in the process. If it wasn't for this, there would be no limitations to my training, other than will and stamina.

I will let people know if I manage to recover beyond expectations.

Okay, if you did two surgeries then you should know better than anyone how much LL takes a toll on your athletic abilities.

I will also say that I have only tried running while my IM nails were still inside my femurs and so far my legs have felt way better since I got the nails removed. Maybe it’s possible that I will be able to run better once I can start running again, but with the nails still in there was absolutely no way to get back to my prior athletic level. Even running for a few minutes would get my heart rate up to the 180s. If I pushed any harder I’d probably get a heart attack.

I certainly hope that my athletic recovery will be better and I will work hard on it, but I’m just being realistic when I say I’ll be happy if I can even run 2/3 the speed I could before surgery.

[Sweden]

LLprime3 is spot on.

I’ve actually been doing pretty good. I’m 40+ years old now and I qualified to compete at the highest level in Taekwondo.
Yes I’m proud of my achievement!

Knees hurt some days and some days they don’t. I can walk and run and jump(but not as high as before).

Last year I broke my knee from doing a jump kick and it hurt like hell.
6 months later I won the championship. It was a pain, but I’m still competitive.

I can’t recommend doing more than 5cm and definitely not passing 6cm. The down time is too much from doing more cm.

I was a pro athlete when I went to India and it took me 6 loooong years to get my professional athlete card back again. Some months I trained 3 times/day - and having a full time job.

[c]

wow ,weclome star

[Teddy_Picker]

So, was LL worth it?

[ReadRothbard]

Certain things will inevitably change due to differences in biomechanics and center of gravity, but I wouldn't say that your legs will be permanently impaired. I think the real kicker is that you're spending time you could be training recovering from major surgery, and thus, there is an inherent opportunity cost in that sense.

[Sweden]

So, was LL worth it?

Yes absolutely.
For me has had a huge upswing in life.

[ReadRothbard]

Yes absolutely.
For me has had a huge upswing in life.

Do you wish you did less? How much would you say LL affected your weight lifting/gym performance.

[BelowTheMean]

So, was LL worth it?

For me, definitely as well. It reshaped my identity and perspective of myself so you could say it changed me into a different person both physically and mentally. I can’t even imagine going back to under 5’7” again.