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[randy]

Plan: Get unilateral/staged precice LL in a different European country away from home. Get one leg done, let it heal for 6 months, get the other leg done, let it heal for 6 months, go back home.

This means

* one year of being disabled
* one year of being away from any family or friends
* the only people I will meet in the one year are: LL medical team, PT and maybe waiters at restaurants, cashiers at the grocery store, taxi drivers, random people on public transportation and so on.
* I will end up splitting my time between my home, the doctor's clinic, restaurants, PT center, grocery shops, maybe a movie once in a while.

Sometimes I think I will go crazy (whatever that means) if I do this. Worst case what will happen?

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The only things you should worried about it here is having a leg longer than the other and your bank account.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

Yeah they don't charge by the leg.

[6CMFemurs]

If you are doing one leg at a time to be more mobile, you may as go home and enjoy your normal routine. I am doing unilateral tibial lengthening at home now. If I had to be somewhere else for this whole process, I would have just done bilateral.

[randy]

If you are doing one leg at a time to be more mobile, you may as go home and enjoy your normal routine. I am doing unilateral tibial lengthening at home now. If I had to be somewhere else for this whole process, I would have just done bilateral.

I can't do that because people will find out.

At the same time I can't do bilateral because I can't handle being in a wheelchair.

I was thinking of getting a desk job in the city I will be in. Do you think it's possible to go to an office on crutches? Will people be able to see the discrepancy in femurs?

[tallerwouldbenice]

It's a bad idea to do LL if you can't handle being in a wheelchair.

I presume it's psychological?

You will be going through much worse than that

[randy]

It's a bad idea to do LL if you can't handle being in a wheelchair.

I presume it's psychological?

You will be going through much worse than that

I am an anxious person. I can't handle being that helpless on a wheelchair without a close family member. That is why I am planning to do staged LL. It requires almost no wheelchair use that way. However the duration of social isolation is almost doubled. One year of no real contact with friends or family.

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I can't handle being that helpless on a wheelchair without a close family member.

Why don't you just stay in the hospital or rehab facility? There are nurses and doctors around.

[randy]

Why don't you just stay in the hospital or rehab facility? There are nurses and doctors around.

They don't have these where I'm planning on going. I think the only places which have these are Turkey and Korea and Betz institute Germany.

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They don't have these where I'm planning on going. I think the only places which have these are Turkey and Korea and Betz institute Germany.

Any hospital has rooms. Just check them out or just find the ones that have.

[LLprime3]

Plan: Get unilateral/staged precice LL in a different European country away from home. Get one leg done, let it heal for 6 months, get the other leg done, let it heal for 6 months, go back home.

This means

* one year of being disabled
* one year of being away from any family or friends
* the only people I will meet in the one year are: LL medical team, PT and maybe waiters at restaurants, cashiers at the grocery store, taxi drivers, random people on public transportation and so on.
* I will end up splitting my time between my home, the doctor's clinic, restaurants, PT center, grocery shops, maybe a movie once in a while.

Sometimes I think I will go crazy (whatever that means) if I do this. Worst case what will happen?

For someone who seeks advice, you're not giving key information.
What is your budget?
You want to do LL in a "different European country". Different from what aspect? If you don't live in Germany or Turkey then these are "different European contries". How come Germany or Turkey don't qualify? What is your criteria actually?
You don't want your surgery to be noticed. There are two ways to get noticed: Scars or growing after a certain age. Are you even young enough to make it seem as if you grew naturally?
You want to be somewhat mobile but you choose the worst method for mobility.

Do you really want to live keeping your surgery in secret, aways looking back over your shoulder and wondering about the reaction if it gets out, like a gay person keeping his sexuality a secret.

If you do LON in Turkey, you will be able to walk with crutches during the lengthening, stay at a hotel, and after 6 months you can walk without crutches, having weight bearing nails inside, and money left for multiple cosmetic appointments to remove your scars in the coming months.

You also want to work during LL and find a temporary job like it's nothing, not even difficult. So you want to make it seems as if you were never gone, never having a gap in your resume? Is that it? All that unrealistic planning just to hide you did LL?

[randy]

For someone who seeks advice, you're not giving key information.
What is your budget?
You want to do LL in a "different European country". Different from what aspect? If you don't live in Germany or Turkey then these are "different European contries". How come Germany or Turkey don't qualify? What is your criteria actually?
You don't want your surgery to be noticed. There are two ways to get noticed: Scars or growing after a certain age. Are you even young enough to make it seem as if you grew naturally?
You want to be somewhat mobile but you choose the worst method for mobility.

Do you really want to live keeping your surgery in secret, aways looking back over your shoulder and wondering about the reaction if it gets out, like a gay person keeping his sxxuality a secret.

If you do LON in Turkey, you will be able to walk with crutches during the lengthening, stay at a hotel, and after 6 months you can walk without crutches, having weight bearing nails inside, and money left for multiple cosmetic appointments to remove your scars in the coming months.

You also want to work during LL and find a temporary job like it's nothing, not even difficult. So you want to make it seems as if you were never gone, never having a gap in your resume? Is that it? All that unrealistic planning just to hide you did LL?

Thanks for the reply.

* The goal of keeping a job is only to have some social contact. It is not career related.
* The main focus of this thread is to understand what going through this would do to us mentally. I know what this entails physically, but not so much mentally.
* Everyone has a different privacy goal, but I think it is not a good idea to let anyone know. If you recover well, I doubt anyone would suspect this surgery at all even if you look different.
* LON femurs is not recommended by most good doctors. It also creates a lot of scarring.
* With unilateral Precice LL you can be reasonably mobile at least for short distances. I am not sure why you say it's the worst method for mobility.

[Siegfried]

When doing uniteral ll, you will be on crutches for about 1 year. Make sure to be with another person when doing this. Im with my parents in my home town, and i also told 3 friends. If I wouldnt have anybody supporting me during this time, I would have gone insane, and im only 6 months in btw. Living alone during this procedure is also basically impossible, because you will need help in everyday life (cooking, cleaning, everything related to household things) so there is that aspect as well.

[randy]

When doing uniteral ll, you will be on crutches for about 1 year. Make sure to be with another person when doing this. Im with my parents in my home town, and i also told 3 friends. If I wouldnt have anybody supporting me during this time, I would have gone insane, and im only 6 months in btw. Living alone during this procedure is also basically impossible, because you will need help in everyday life (cooking, cleaning, everything related to household things) so there is that aspect as well.

Is it very difficult to cook, clean and do household things while standing on one leg?

[tallerwouldbenice]

I am an anxious person. I can't handle being that helpless on a wheelchair without a close family member. That is why I am planning to do staged LL. It requires almost no wheelchair use that way. However the duration of social isolation is almost doubled. One year of no real contact with friends or family.

If you are an anxious person I suspect you will start to freak the F out about 4 months into the procedure being isolated...

[Siegfried]

yes.

[6CMFemurs]

I agree with Siegfried as someone doing unilateral tibias rn who  is 5 weeks post surgery. You need help. Luckily I have a very caring girlfriend and some amazing friends. I also live less than an hour away from my parents and about 20 minutes from my brother. Having this support system has made this possible.

I also have made a point to live my life as normally as possible under the circumstances. I try to go to every social event, dinner, party, concert etc I am invited to. I think this normalcy along with being in my normal work routine has made me feel like I am not missing a year of my life to do this surgery.

I think it also helps that because I am getting a noticeable deformity corrected as part of this surgery, most people are very  empathetic, supportive, and happy for me. All my friends and family noticed my out-toeing beforehand and are amazed that my left leg is corrected, I doubt they notice that the leg is slowly growing too lol 😂

[Dexter5729]

I agree with Siegfried as someone doing unilateral tibias rn who  is 5 weeks post surgery. You need help. Luckily I have a very caring girlfriend and some amazing friends. I also live less than an hour away from my parents and about 20 minutes from my brother. Having this support system has made this possible.

I also have made a point to live my life as normally as possible under the circumstances. I try to go to every social event, dinner, party, concert etc I am invited to. I think this normalcy along with being in my normal work routine has made me feel like I am not missing a year of my life to do this surgery.

I think it also helps that because I am getting a noticeable deformity corrected as part of this surgery, most people are very  empathetic, supportive, and happy for me. All my friends and family noticed my out-toeing beforehand and are amazed that my left leg is corrected, I doubt they notice that the leg is slowly growing too lol 😂

Where are you from?

[6CMFemurs]

Where are you from?

USA!

[wanderer]

1 year of isolation on crutches can be just as bad as 6 months of social isolation on a wheelchair.

Just wait for Stryde nail's return which can take one or two years. Betz could have been a good option but he is very old now.

[Dexter5729]

Where are you from?

What's wrong with your left leg?

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

You will not go crazy if you are suffering immersely from height dysphoria and internal methods as far as I am concerned it won't necessarily take 1 yr for you to restore the ability of just getting off the bed to walk. Like Betz can guarantee you can get off the bed to walk within less than 1 month post-LL with Betzbone(I don't know what you mean by 'disabled' accurately).
For the timidities of being isolated from your intimidate family members and friends, either you should coax them to get in compaion with you when doing LL, or I can tell you height/face is a permanent advantage/disadvantage(face may be not pertinent cuz some ppl's faces will be screwd up when growing up to certain ages)for a lifetime while friends are just drooling for the benefits from you and familes are just nourishing you just bc you can make revenue for them(in China also you are obliged to make babies for them) and when you are unable to meet up their expectations they will just wave their butts at you and then leave

[wanderer]

You will not go crazy if you are suffering immersely from height dysphoria and internal methods as far as I am concerned it won't necessarily take 1 yr for you to restore the ability of just getting off the bed to walk. Like Betz can guarantee you can get off the bed to walk within less than 1 month post-LL with Betzbone(I don't know what you mean by 'disabled' accurately).
For the timidities of being isolated from your intimidate family members and friends, either you should coax them to get in compaion with you when doing LL, or I can tell you height/face is a permanent advantage/disadvantage(face may be not pertinent cuz some ppl's faces will be screwd up when growing up to certain ages)for a lifetime while friends are just drooling for the benefits from you and familes are just nourishing you just bc you can make revenue for them(in China also you are obliged to make babies for them) and when you are unable to meet up their expectations they will just wave their butts at you and then leave

Betz is 72 and I do not know if he has a successor in the institute who will use his nail. I think OP is planning to do unilateral with Precice which can take 1 year.

I think he can do the following to keep social contact

1) Hire a nurse who will help you 2 hours everyday even while you are consolidating. You might get to talk a little with him or her.
2) Join some classes. I have no idea what your hobbies are, but you can learn a language, learn piano, do some business course.
3) Find a therapist or counsellor, they are paid to listen to you and help you deal with mental problems. Meet the therapist once every 2 weeks.
4) Go to a meditation class

[6CMFemurs]

What's wrong with your left leg?

I had excessive tibial torsion. It’s actually bilateral, but I am fixing it one leg at a time. Will need to do right leg by the end of this calendar  year for insurance purposes.

[JamesBrown]

Lol, I have been a social recluse for the past 3 years since COVID started (I use COVID as an excuse, it's mainly my height that limits my social activities).

It shouldn't be hard to do this surgery in isolation, the pain of loneliness gets easier over time (contrary to popular belief). I live with my family cause housing prices here are ridiculous and my parents are supportive of my future LL surgery so that helps.

[randy]

Thanks for all the suggestions all.

It is appearing like most people do this with family members. In the good old days people would travel to Russia alone and spend 9 months in external frames and come back. Back then there was no youtube I think. I do not know what it will feel like. If it is not very painful and I sleep well I think I can live a somewhat normal life with occasional social contact.

[JamesBrown]

Thanks for all the suggestions all.

It is appearing like most people do this with family members. In the good old days people would travel to Russia alone and spend 9 months in external frames and come back. Back then there was no youtube I think. I do not know what it will feel like. If it is not very painful and I sleep well I think I can live a somewhat normal life with occasional social contact.

It's less about the social contact and more about having people around to help with doing daily tasks like standing for an extended period of time with limited arm support to wash dishes/cook food, catch the bug on the ceiling, catch the bug on the floor, vacuuming around the house, etc.