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[Exxon]

In Australia it's lucky that there are plenty of Asian diaspora, and for America there are plenty of hispanics + asians living there.

Now imagine Northern Europe where the average is much higher than America, and most people have blond hair and coloured eyes. Except Britain, I think I'd feel suicidal everyday if I had to live in Scandinavia or Germany because of the amount of discrimination I'll face for being much shorter than average and furthermore everyone will have superior looks apart from height.

Personally I wouldn't be able to handle it.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

Yes.  I was planning to move to Finland but with Vlad the Impaler Jr. threatening them now, I'll be staying well within the U.S. military's home territory.  I was planning to get an additional femur LL to fit in better up there but now those plans are scrapped as well.

[Highest]

Agreed I think it's natural to develop an inferiority complex there. However in future Northern Europe will be very multiracial due to their governments policy. Once the native Europeans are a minority I'll move there and get some of those sweet welfare state benefits and also won't worry about being height/looks dominated haha.

[Exxon]

Yes.  I was planning to move to Finland but with Vlad the Impaler Jr. threatening them now, I'll be staying well within the U.S. military's home territory.  I was planning to get an additional femur LL to fit in better up there but now those plans are scrapped as well.

I think it becomes more comfortable after 173cm in Germany and in Netherlands + Scandinavia after 175cm it will feel more comfortable, still short over there but nonetheless liveable. Ideal is being 1 inch above average of course.

[battroll]

Germany is full of arabs nowdays. Back in the days I used ro feel short in Germany at 181cm. Now I feel tall since there are millions of immigrants from the middle east and other areas

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

Personally speaking I d rather choose having intellectual disability or living at 188-190cm tall only for a week than infiltrating into Germans or Dutches.

[zaozari]

You're already intelectually disabled. End of your problems.

[virginforeverlmao]

Germany is full of turks and arabs now. Their height ranges from 1,70-1,75m. I am 1,71m and its not always easy. Many Germans are tall as fuk and sometimes I tend to feel inferior in front of tall men build like german panzer. Its weird to give them orders sometimes. I didnt have any problems so far though. People arent as combatant as in the US where people really are height obsessed and height discriminated. At my university most men where around my height and they are primarily germans because turks and arabs many arent smart enough for university or they dont value education. And by the way most of these men in my Univserity were all in long term relationships. One friend of mine is 1,65m and he was in a long term relationship until he cheated lol. So I think this height stuff comes mainly from USA because people there fight and kill each other over everything for some reason. One thing I noticed: Many men that attend university arent too tall. Is it because women snatch them so early that they dont even think about university but instead chase after women?

[ReadRothbard]

In short, no. The taxes are too much for me, and I am simply far too right wing for those places. Hungary would be a better fit.


 

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

In short, no. The taxes are too much for me, and I am simply far too right wing for those places. Hungary would be a better fit.

I think taxes in America are also much too? But European countries are not heightism as USA is as I heard LOL. Maybe that can offset the detriments of being at your height there.

[Exxon]

I think taxes in America are also much too? But European countries are not heightism as USA is as I heard LOL. Maybe that can offset the detriments of being at your height there.

Not quite, but you will be paying a lot for car insurance and medical insurance which would probably result to similar amounts if you just paid taxes in Europe.

[ReadRothbard]

I pay $125 a month total for car and medical insurance.

[BelowTheMean]

Actually, regarding taxes you're both correct as neither side is strictly better. If you're a highly skilled professional then it's way better to live in the US, but if you're not then it's way better to live in (north or west) Europe. If you're a business owner or wealthy individual then this comparison doesn't really matter.

Unskilled Workers
Working in the restaurant or hospitality industry, factory workers, etc.
Minimum Wage: Much higher in Europe than the US.
Taxes: Low in both US and Europe.
Benefits: Europeans have healthcare, paid leave, free public uni, etc. covered by taxpayers. US workers get nothing unless they qualify for welfare/Medicaid.

Skilled Workers
Electricians, plumbers, other trades.
In the US these make a decent income and have job security and good benefits.
I don't know anything about this kind of work in Europe though, so someone else can fill in.

Average Professional
This includes non-CS engineers, accountants, teachers, etc.
Salary: Similar in the US and Europe
Taxes: Slightly higher in Europe
Benefits: As mentioned above, it's better in Europe. US companies provide partial medical coverage for these workers and some basic retirement benefits, but that's about it. People under age 65 at this income level get no benefits from taxes paid either.

Highly-skilled Professional
This includes SDE, IB, traders, doctors, consultants.. basically tech/finance careers in T1 cities with bonus-driven comp.
Total compensation: 3-5x higher in the US
Taxes: Higher in the US, but net income is still much higher than in Europe
Benefits: Better in the US. Europeans get health coverage, pension, paid leave, parental leave, etc. through taxpayers, but Americans get even more through their employer like free top tier health/disability/life coverage, much better retirement benefits, tuition at top business schools covered, RSUs/profit sharing, ESPPs, plenty of vacation time, etc.

The smart move is to get a high paying remote job in the US and live somewhere else. Geo-arbitrage and digital nomading is the way to go!

[BelowTheMean]

Oh, I completely forgot to mention height. I've visited both the Netherlands and Germany before LL and did not feel short in either place. I might have physically been shorter, but never felt like it was an issue like I do in the US. Of course, I've never tried to date in Europe so that might be why lol.

[Exxon]

Actually, regarding taxes you're both correct as neither side is strictly better. If you're a highly skilled professional then it's way better to live in the US, but if you're not then it's way better to live in (north or west) Europe. If you're a business owner or wealthy individual then this comparison doesn't really matter.

Unskilled Workers
Working in the restaurant or hospitality industry, factory workers, etc.
Minimum Wage: Much higher in Europe than the US.
Taxes: Low in both US and Europe.
Benefits: Europeans have healthcare, paid leave, free public uni, etc. covered by taxpayers. US workers get nothing unless they qualify for welfare/Medicaid.

Skilled Workers
Electricians, plumbers, other trades.
In the US these make a decent income and have job security and good benefits.
I don't know anything about this kind of work in Europe though, so someone else can fill in.

Average Professional
This includes non-CS engineers, accountants, teachers, etc.
Salary: Similar in the US and Europe
Taxes: Slightly higher in Europe
Benefits: As mentioned above, it's better in Europe. US companies provide partial medical coverage for these workers and some basic retirement benefits, but that's about it. People under age 65 at this income level get no benefits from taxes paid either.

Highly-skilled Professional
This includes SDE, IB, traders, doctors, consultants.. basically tech/finance careers in T1 cities with bonus-driven comp.
Total compensation: 3-5x higher in the US
Taxes: Higher in the US, but net income is still much higher than in Europe
Benefits: Better in the US. Europeans get health coverage, pension, paid leave, parental leave, etc. through taxpayers, but Americans get even more through their employer like free top tier health/disability/life coverage, much better retirement benefits, tuition at top business schools covered, RSUs/profit sharing, ESPPs, plenty of vacation time, etc.

The smart move is to get a high paying remote job in the US and live somewhere else. Geo-arbitrage and digital nomading is the way to go!

Taxes higher in America than Europe for Highly-Skilled individuals? I thought it was the opposite, some states have much lower taxes like Florida and Washington since they don't pay the state government tax not to mention the Seattle area is a hotspot for the CS field. Do you know the range for vacation time received for those that work CS roles in the US?

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

Taxes higher in America than Europe for Highly-Skilled individuals? I thought it was the opposite, some states have much lower taxes like Florida and Washington since they don't pay the state government tax not to mention the Seattle area is a hotspot for the CS field. Do you know the range for vacation time received for those that work CS roles in the US?

Speaking of which, though European average heights are taller than the US, but US's heightism, as I heard, is obviously more severe than that in Europe for some reasons that I don't know.
I think that's bc US's society is filled with competitions(not involutions. They are essentially 2 different things)so I think that's the real reason.
I am very new to the American economy but I am planning to work as a CS programmer in the US so I am curious about tax topic.
For the range of vacation time, I think in the US it's also common for programmers to work over time?

[Exxon]

Speaking of which, though European average heights are taller than the US, but US's heightism, as I heard, is obviously more severe than that in Europe for some reasons that I don't know.
I think that's bc US's society is filled with competitions(not involutions. They are essentially 2 different things)so I think that's the real reason.
I am very new to the American economy but I am planning to work as a CS programmer in the US so I am curious about tax topic.
For the range of vacation time, I think in the US it's also common for programmers to work over time?

The competition part causing heightism in US makes sense. US is the most innovative country on earth and the reason being is the large amount of competition in every aspect of life (and this includes height).

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

The competition part causing heightism in US makes sense. US is the most innovative country on earth and the reason being is the large amount of competition in every aspect of life (and this includes height).

I think the reason why they can maintain innovative is their excellent education(although with some problems), atmosphere of scientific discussions and institution of patent?

[Medium Drink Of Water]

America excels in innovation because of lack of regulations.  To get an idea and then start a business to provide a product or service is far easier in the US than anywhere else.  A lot of the great american innovators are foreign-born.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

America excels in innovation because of lack of regulations.  To get an idea and then start a business to provide a product or service is far easier in the US than anywhere else.  A lot of the great american innovators are foreign-born.

I think that will also cause fake and low-quality products? But as I heard the situation is not that bad, instead I heard only a few bad news about Americans creating fake/low-quality products, generally speaking.

[BelowTheMean]

Taxes higher in America than Europe for Highly-Skilled individuals? I thought it was the opposite, some states have much lower taxes like Florida and Washington since they don't pay the state government tax not to mention the Seattle area is a hotspot for the CS field. Do you know the range for vacation time received for those that work CS roles in the US?

Well the tax rate is generally lower in the US, but if you work a high-paying job you're probably in NY or CA so the tax rate is not necessarily lower (esp. since the only thing you get from your taxes is the privilege of living in a city of hobos) and because you earn so much more than you would in Europe your total taxes paid would be way higher. Seattle is the exception I guess.

As for vacation, I work in finance so I don't know what CS is like, but my friend at Google started with 4 weeks PTO and it goes up to 6. Afaik you get 4+ weeks with most finance roles once you're settled in. Entry levels get the shaft but that's how the system works. I'd rather be a SDE in the US than Europe any day though, and the brain drain from other countries to SV shows that most people agree with me.

[BelowTheMean]

Speaking of which, though European average heights are taller than the US, but US's heightism, as I heard, is obviously more severe than that in Europe for some reasons that I don't know.
I think that's bc US's society is filled with competitions(not involutions. They are essentially 2 different things)so I think that's the real reason.
I am very new to the American economy but I am planning to work as a CS programmer in the US so I am curious about tax topic.
For the range of vacation time, I think in the US it's also common for programmers to work over time?

I know a Chinese guy with a CS PhD and a few years of experience who reached L6 at Google, then a headhunter recruited him for Tencent and they doubled his pay. He makes nearly ¥700w/year in Shenzhen now. His working hours are >996 at both companies. Idk about vacation time, but I'd guess Google gives more.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

I know a Chinese guy with a CS PhD and a few years of experience who reached L6 at Google, then a headhunter recruited him for Tencent and they doubled his pay. He makes nearly ¥700w/year in Shenzhen now. His working hours are >996 at both companies. Idk about vacation time, but I'd guess Google gives more.

I still don't get it. Why since he was recruited in Google and then turned to Tencent?

[Exxon]

I still don't get it. Why since he was recruited in Google and then turned to Tencent?

More pay and higher role probably

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

More pay and higher role probably

I never noticed Tecent could offer higher payments for CS workers even than Google. But speaking of payments, I formed a conclusion, that the more competitions there are in random country, the more heightism this country is, at least all of the examples irl can corroborate my conclusion:China, S.Korea, Japan, US, and as opposed to these countries, European countries are very lack of competitions, so the heightism in those countries is way more better.
I guess the main reason is the population, or let's put it more directly and precisely, the sources that can be achieved per capita.
If per-capita sources are very scarce, then you gotta compete with others in random respects, of course including height, to obtain the sources for yourself, and if one country's heterosexual ratio is imbalanced, height and appearance is gonna become more influencing on your life cuz you gotta compete with your cohort whose gender is the same as yours to achieve sexual sources. So the dynamic behind heightism is actuall very easy to see through.

[Highest]

I never noticed Tecent could offer higher payments for CS workers even than Google. But speaking of payments, I formed a conclusion, that the more competitions there are in random country, the more heightism this country is, at least all of the examples irl can corroborate my conclusion:China, S.Korea, Japan, US, and as opposed to these countries, European countries are very lack of competitions, so the heightism in those countries is way more better.
I guess the main reason is the population, or let's put it more directly and precisely, the sources that can be achieved per capita.
If per-capita sources are very scarce, then you gotta compete with others in random respects, of course including height, to obtain the sources for yourself, and if one country's heterosxxual ratio is imbalanced, height and appearance is gonna become more influencing on your life cuz you gotta compete with your cohort whose gender is the same as yours to achieve sxxual sources. So the dynamic behind heightism is actuall very easy to see through.

Wrong. Europeans are taller because the women selected for it. See the Dutch. Heightism is everywhere. You have a fantasy that things will be different if you leave China but it won't.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/378899/dutch-men-are-the-tallest-in-the-world-because-thats-what-dutch-women-prefer/amp/

[Exxon]

Wrong. Europeans are taller because the women selected for it. See the Dutch. Heightism is everywhere. You have a fantasy that things will be different if you leave China but it won't.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/378899/dutch-men-are-the-tallest-in-the-world-because-thats-what-dutch-women-prefer/amp/

The reason why US average height is lower than Western Europe and Scandinavia is because short women take tall guys which poisons the gene pool and causes a risk for short children. Furthermore more non-white population. Whereas when 5'5 women and 5'5 man have babies there's a very strong chance the baby will be 5'9+, I know it's anecdotal evidence but I've seen this everywhere, similar heighted couples almost always produced decent heighted children.

Also yeah, heightism is everywhere and leaving China won't let you escape that.

[Highest]

The reason why US average height is lower than Western Europe and Scandinavia is because short women take tall guys which poisons the gene pool and causes a risk for short children. Furthermore more non-white population. Whereas when 5'5 women and 5'5 man have babies there's a very strong chance the baby will be 5'9+, I know it's anecdotal evidence but I've seen this everywhere, similar heighted couples almost always produced decent heighted children.

Also yeah, heightism is everywhere and leaving China won't let you escape that.

Alot of women have zero understanding of genetics and genuinely believe that tall husband will equal a tall son and do not factor in them being 5'2 as a reason that the son could be short.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

Wrong. Europeans are taller because the women selected for it. See the Dutch. Heightism is everywhere. You have a fantasy that things will be different if you leave China but it won't.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/378899/dutch-men-are-the-tallest-in-the-world-because-thats-what-dutch-women-prefer/amp/

So short women are gonna be phased out in the future as well just later than men?

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

Alot of women have zero understanding of genetics and genuinely believe that tall husband will equal a tall son and do not factor in them being 5'2 as a reason that the son could be short.

Yeah. They are always delusional of 'improving' their genes by fking with a tall guy though in guy's side those short women are polluting his genes. But I don't know why a lot of tall guys are always tacitly consenting them to do so.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

The reason why US average height is lower than Western Europe and Scandinavia is because short women take tall guys which poisons the gene pool and causes a risk for short children. Furthermore more non-white population. Whereas when 5'5 women and 5'5 man have babies there's a very strong chance the baby will be 5'9+, I know it's anecdotal evidence but I've seen this everywhere, similar heighted couples almost always produced decent heighted children.

Also yeah, heightism is everywhere and leaving China won't let you escape that.

The reason why those couples with similar heights can have decentheighted children is that females in those couples u r referring to are all not short
Assuming a couple of  5'5 wife and 6' husband versus a couple of 5'5 wife and 5'5 husband over how tall their sons will be genetically of course the latter has more probabilities to win this game.