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[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

As I observed I found out most of LLers at least on this forum are 168-175cm tall and I barely can come across LLer around and under 160-165cm so does it mean males ranging from 160- to 165 are being phased out and out?

[zaozari]

No, I can't believe that, altough the answer to your question is a mystery to me (I'm less than 155 cm...)
In fact, at the beginning, CLL was simply medically "forbidden" to any healthy person. Then, CLL was accepted very hardly only to people less than 5% shorter than the average population. More often surgery was done even less, only to people shorter than 2,2/2,4%, average (which is around less than two standard deviations of average). Doing otherwise was not allowed by Medical Councils and sometimes even by law, if that low stature was not associated with a pathology.
Even Ilizarov only lately in his career started to accept CLL but only "desperate" cases of purely very short stature and he had some problems with that (he almost only treated handicaped soldiers and other crippled patients).

Then, he came to teach surgeons in the West with the aim of also treating diseases and orthopaedic problems. But then things start changing much further, the procedure start being known because it was like a medical miracle (some almost 100% amputated limbs were recovered), and by huge pressure of people with height neurosis mainly, also due to some doctors"s greed, less ethical or absence of regulations, the industry of CLL started to flourish.

Now, I won't tell anymore because we enter in the subjective field of evaluation and treatment of height neurosis, body dysphoria, constitutional short stature, idiophatic short stature, standard deviations, averages, Hypocrates principles ("do no harm"), etc.

But the question you asked is a true paradox and mistery for me.
Is it that very short or just short people learn to adapt themselves soon and paradoxically are less neurotic or height becomes less important?  Or contrarily are they so neurotic that they don't search or know about LL? Or are they more discrete, inhibited to comunicate? Is it because, since they are smaller, they have less margin to grow? No, definitely not this one, because short people have also relatively shorter legs, specially tibias, even if they were to lenghten less cm....

Because after all, they (like me) should be the bigger source of experience and information,  as patients, of CLL. The most probable users here in this forum...

[c]

50分和60分有本质区别，又可以没有本质区别，其实最主要的还是手术安全性，我不赞成做太多，如果我165我会选择5+5的双断方案

[Medium Drink Of Water]

Definitely not.  I think even here the shortest men are less likely to share their heights.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

No, I can't believe that, altough the answer to your question is a mystery to me (I'm less than 155 cm...)
In fact, at the beginning, CLL was simply medically "forbidden" to any healthy person. Then, CLL was accepted very hardly only to people less than 5% shorter than the average population. More often surgery was done even less, only to people shorter than 2,2/2,4%, average (which is around less than two standard deviations of average). Doing otherwise was not allowed by Medical Councils and sometimes even by law, if that low stature was not associated with a pathology.
Even Ilizarov only lately in his career started to accept CLL but only "desperate" cases of purely very short stature and he had some problems with that (he almost only treated handicaped soldiers and other crippled patients).

Then, he came to teach surgeons in the West with the aim of also treating diseases and orthopaedic problems. But then things start changing much further, the procedure start being known because it was like a medical miracle (some almost 100% amputated limbs were recovered), and by huge pressure of people with height neurosis mainly, also due to some doctors"s greed, less ethical or absence of regulations, the industry of CLL started to flourish.

Now, I won't tell anymore because we enter in the subjective field of evaluation and treatment of height neurosis, body dysphoria, constitutional short stature, idiophatic short stature, standard deviations, averages, Hypocrates principles ("do no harm"), etc.

But the question you asked is a true paradox and mistery for me.
Is it that very short or just short people learn to adapt themselves soon and paradoxically are less neurotic or height becomes less important?  Or contrarily are they so neurotic that they don't search or know about LL? Or are they more discrete, inhibited to comunicate? Is it because, since they are smaller, they have less margin to grow? No, definitely not this one, because short people have also relatively shorter legs, specially tibias, even if they were to lenghten less cm....

Because after all, they (like me) should be the bigger source of experience and information,  as patients, of CLL. The most probable users here in this forum...

I agree on all that you said in addition to the fact that some extremely short patients are reluctant to reveal their heights even on this forum. We are fortunate and unfortunate at the same time enough to live in such a crapty era when the importance of height increases as hell to a way higher degree than when we are suffering from World War and similar times. But we are glad to be born after Illizarov who invented the limb lengthening surgery to save our short males' lives and as long as we are rich enough we can have opportunies to change our lives otherwise maybe I've way earlier killed myself or conducted other extreme self-damaging behaviours. So I can totally relate to all of your statements Sir.
I heard Paley is one of apprentices of Illizarov so I am fixated on him to realize my dream. My height is nearly a cancer who is torturing me gradually until I commit suicide so if you can understand me you can sympathize what I am talking about.
Is it true short males are living lives that are worse than chronically ill patients? IMO it cannot be truer. So IMO we can juxtapose LL with chemotherapies tailored to actual cancer patients so I think I am not wasting time and money for Paley's Option 5(I saw someone is not advocating Option 5 but Option 4 cuz they are thinking Option 5 is not worth it paying extra way more money and time for just 1 inch but if you know how obsessed I am with my height you will knock your socks off and open your mouth cuz I regularly spend leisure time on measuring my own height for multiple times and if my measurements are lower by 0.1cm than the average results of the measurements then I will get pissed of as hell. I know after you learn all of them you will recommend me to see a therapist but I tried and anything was in vain. I tried jumping for 4 times, hanging for 2 times respectively in my hometown and in my home and contemplating on buying fatal drugs and coals to kill myself just bc of my severe height dysphoria so why I am so overwhelmed in Option 5 is pretty self-explained.
But yeah, I respect every LLer to do this surgery ranging from 175 to 180cm although yeah I really cannot figure out why they are also willing to do this surgery.

[zaozari]

I understand your suffering, it's very clear. And no, I wouldn't recommend a therapist to solve the problem because from my long experience with therapy and from your words I can see you need CLL.
However there are two issues I would call your atention to. I think:
1-You should keep calm and avoid unreasonable goals at all costs. Don't go just for the surgeon word or your gut.
2-Start anyway therapy right now, during recovery and still sometime on. You need this "supplement" to LL, to get some ideas clearer in your mind and to a certain extent, don't get my words wrong, you are in a state of desperation. You need help, not only to accompany your LL process and its challenges but also to ring any danger bell we all may live a moment or other in life.

[ilovescience]

50分和60分有本质区别，又可以没有本质区别，其实最主要的还是手术安全性，我不赞成做太多，如果我165我会选择5+5的双断方案

50分60分？

其是指身高方面嗎？

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

I understand your suffering, it's very clear. And no, I wouldn't recommend a therapist to solve the problem because from my long experience with therapy and from your words I can see you need CLL.
However there are two issues I would call your atention to. I think:
1-You should keep calm and avoid unreasonable goals at all costs. Don't go just for the surgeon word or your gut.
2-Start anyway therapy right now, during recovery and still sometime on. You need this "supplement" to LL, to get some ideas clearer in your mind and to a certain extent, don't get my words wrong, you are in a state of desperation. You need help, not only to accompany your LL process and its challenges but also to ring any danger bell we all may live a moment or other in life.

I watched Cy4borg's life vids and Paley himself also thought Option 5 is the safest way to achieve 8+8cm goal and of course Cy4borg thumbed this option up as well.
Eitherway thx for your introductions but actually I've conducted therapies for 5 times and 3 of them are online and the others are offline and all of the therapists are famous and decent as hell in my region so that's why I am convinced therapists cannot save my life and cure my height neurosis but CLL can do.
I am fixated on Paley's Option 4 and 5 these days and I don't think they are just laughing stocks and for me 5+5/4+4 cannot really make senses though indeed they can get me taller.

[southamericanrocker]

I'm exactly 160cm and not afraid about sharing my height lol. I feel a lot of people here are mostly passive users (like me). I've lived all my life being the shortest guy wherever I go, so I got used to it but it's still being an annoying feeling. I know is hard for most people that has the same height than me, and I've even found myself lying about my height on dating apps because girls are kind of strict about their height preferences. That's why I don't like dating apps and prefer to meet people in person by going to dance clubs or bars. I guess for the moment all I can do is to compensate my height with my personality and getting bigger at the gym.

I could afford to get the surgery done now, since I'm a Software Engineer in a big tech company, but the problem is that I will end up spending most of my savings if I do it now. I learnt to live with this and to be patient, because I think that isn't a smart financial decision to get surgery done if I can't afford it without getting hit hard on my financial situation. I'm saving most of my income so I can invest my money in real estate, and get the surgery done when I'm 30 (I'm on my mid 20's right now).

[ilovescience]

I'm exactly 160cm and not afraid about sharing my height lol. I feel a lot of people here are mostly passive users (like me). I've lived all my life being the shortest guy wherever I go, so I got used to it but it's still being an annoying feeling. I know is hard for most people that has the same height than me, and I've even found myself lying about my height on dating apps because girls are kind of strict about their height preferences. That's why I don't like dating apps and prefer to meet people in person by going to dance clubs or bars. I guess for the moment all I can do is to compensate my height with my personality and getting bigger at the gym.

I could afford to get the surgery done now, since I'm a Software Engineer in a big tech company, but the problem is that I will end up spending most of my savings if I do it now. I learnt to live with this and to be patient, because I think that isn't a smart financial decision to get surgery done if I can't afford it without getting hit hard on my financial situation. I'm saving most of my income so I can invest my money in real estate, and get the surgery done when I'm 30 (I'm on my mid 20's right now).

160 is not that short in South America!?

[southamericanrocker]

160 is not that short in South America!?

It depends on the country, but I'm currently living in the US because I'm working for a big tech company. Everyone here is at least 170 cm

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

I'm exactly 160cm and not afraid about sharing my height lol. I feel a lot of people here are mostly passive users (like me). I've lived all my life being the shortest guy wherever I go, so I got used to it but it's still being an annoying feeling. I know is hard for most people that has the same height than me, and I've even found myself lying about my height on dating apps because girls are kind of strict about their height preferences. That's why I don't like dating apps and prefer to meet people in person by going to dance clubs or bars. I guess for the moment all I can do is to compensate my height with my personality and getting bigger at the gym.

I could afford to get the surgery done now, since I'm a Software Engineer in a big tech company, but the problem is that I will end up spending most of my savings if I do it now. I learnt to live with this and to be patient, because I think that isn't a smart financial decision to get surgery done if I can't afford it without getting hit hard on my financial situation. I'm saving most of my income so I can invest my money in real estate, and get the surgery done when I'm 30 (I'm on my mid 20's right now).

But even after Option 5 you will be still just 176cm which is just on aveage of all ethnics of the U.S and if you are white you will be still shorter than the average height by 2cm and that sucks a lot IMO. So I think either you give up doing this surgery or accept you will be still short even after LL. I am not deliberately knocking you and instead I am having great empathy from you. But anyway the situations of course will get way better after LL.

[southamericanrocker]

But even after Option 5 you will be still just 176cm which is just on aveage of all ethnics of the U.S and if you are white you will be still shorter than the average height by 2cm and that sucks a lot IMO. So I think either you give up doing this surgery or accept you will be still short even after LL. I am not deliberately knocking you and instead I am having great empathy from you. But anyway the situations of course will get way better after LL.

I don't think it sucks, because you can compensate it in other ways bro. I would absolutely prefer being a shredded 176 cm Latino than being a skinny 180 cm white guy. Nobody will ever, ever care or even notice those 2 cm to be average you mentioned, beside yourself.

[c]

50分60分？

其是指身高方面嗎？

恩，打个比方就是，考50分和60分有本质区别一个及格了，但都是差不多的水平

[Highest]

I don't think it sucks, because you can compensate it in other ways bro. I would absolutely prefer being a shredded 176 cm Latino than being a skinny 180 cm white guy. Nobody will ever, ever care or even notice those 2 cm to be average you mentioned, beside yourself.

If you have to handicap someone in a hypothetical scenario to compete you have already lost.

[Highest]

50分和60分有本质区别，又可以没有本质区别，其实最主要的还是手术安全性，我不赞成做太多，如果我165我会选择5+5的双断方案

Do you use Google translate on this site or can you read English but reply in Chinese?

[zaozari]

If you have to handicap someone in a hypothetical scenario to compete you have already lost.

I'm not sure if I understood well. You mean we all should be the maximum taller possible to able to "win" in any "competing scenario"??
Is this a forum for humans who NEED (and not only for those who legitimatelly want) CLL, by all medical parameters, or are we here in a documentary from David Attenborough about survival of hienas against other beasts in the jungle?
Be free to say whstever you want but try to be reasonable and bring positive contribution. Educate yourself about what means living in HUMAN society instead of being a paradoxical contributor to heightism discrimination right here !!!. I very rarely was badly treated for being short. In high school for example, in fact even the other kids respected me because I integrated, played good soccer, helped them in class, etc. Would you say that everybody shorter than 176 cm (170? 174? I don't know your height) are doomed to tragedy? If this is so, and without being the mod, I would say that, since you don't minimally respect all your "real" short or just shorter fellows here, specially those more clinically, psyhologically and sociological in more urgent need of LL ( if I was around 4 cm shorter, being otherwise healthy or not, I would have surgery paid by the National health system), then you'd have no place here in my opinion, sorry.  You're not respecting diversity. If you're within one standard deviation from average height with no other clinical or life story argument, I could more legitimatelly call you a fool than you call me anything else (I'm well below 2 standard deviations). Your mind is totally alienated from what empathy means, you don't know the fundamentals of ethics in medicine, and you're immature and deeply unsensible. You (maybe not aware of it) insult shorther people as crippled, handicaped, lost for life.
If I understood well.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

恩，打个比方就是，考50分和60分有本质区别一个及格了，但都是差不多的水平

是的，但是如果175是60分的话，160肯定远不如50分的

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

I'm not sure if I understood well. You mean we all should be the maximum taller possible to able to "win" in any "competing scenario"??
Is this a forum for humans who NEED (and not only for those who legitimatelly want) CLL, by all medical parameters, or are we here in a documentary from David Attenborough about survival of hienas against other beasts in the jungle?
Be free to say whstever you want but try to be reasonable and bring positive contribution. Educate yourself about what means living in HUMAN society instead of being a paradoxical contributor to heightism discrimination right here !!!. I very rarely was badly treated for being short. In high school for example, in fact even the other kids respected me because I integrated, played good soccer, helped them in class, etc. Would you say that everybody shorter than 176 cm (170? 174? I don't know your height) are doomed to tragedy? If this is so, and without being the mod, I would say that, since you don't minimally respect all your "real" short or just shorter fellows here, specially those more clinically, psyhologically and sociological in more urgent need of LL ( if I was around 4 cm shorter, being otherwise healthy or not, I would have surgery paid by the National health system), then you'd have no place here in my opinion, sorry.  You're not respecting diversity. If you're within one standard deviation from average height with no other clinical or life story argument, I could more legitimatelly call you a fool than you call me anything else (I'm well below 2 standard deviations). Your mind is totally alienated from what empathy means, you don't know the fundamentals of ethics in medicine, and you're immature and deeply unsensible. You (maybe not aware of it) insult shorther people as crippled, handicaped, lost for life.
If I understood well.

I think you are too overeactting to what he said.
I think his point is, it reveals your subconscious senses of inferior if you are comparing 2 individuals in a hypothetical scenario cuz you already realized that you could never beat the one down that you thought as a loser as opposed to that 'winner' one. in reality. And if you are 'projecting'(a psychological terminology) yourself into the 'winner' that just means what I am elaborating. But yeah I think he is at the meantime overthinking about it. Everyone has the freedom to think of things in different way so maybe he thinks 176cm can never win 180cm even though the former has athletic build and other advantages simply cuz the latter is taller than the former which I am also agreeing on cuz height is an attribute that has its ceiling even though changing with LL and if not with LL it will be just an inflexible attribute and that is also why short males are always the most desperate cohort comparatively speaking of all of the other cohorts including ugly males(but yeah I gotta say plasticsurgery doesn't have magic power that can change your face always as you want admittedly), poor males, not to mention comparing with females.
Just embrace the fact that life is extremely unfair and always creating absurd and devastating blockages into human's life

[zaozari]

I understand your point but I think I was self explanatory also. Let me tell you two curious facts.

The first (I repeat it here sometimes) is that the average height of one of the top military elite forces, the Navy Seals, is ‘’only’’ 5''8'.
 
The other is a story of mine, when, my forum fellow friend (no irony), I think I JUST *UCK UP YOUR THEORY that:

''If you have to handicap someone in a hypothetical scenario to compete you have already lost''.

I had just withdrawn money from the ATM machine, by night, and when I still hadn't put money in the pocket an entire gang of tall white adolescents literally jumped over me, I fell down on the floor and hold the money tight in my hand; there were already maybe two guys’ weight over my body while maybe 4 or 5 other grabbing me by the legs and rest of the body.
They desperately tried to grab the money. Suddenly I kicked one guy with my foot like a horse, with desperate adrenaline’s brute force and I projected him well around a meter away and still remember the astonishing faces of some. I continued to hold the money as tight as I could while 2 or 3 just tried to open my hand! Finally someone appeared down the street that could see the scene, they finally left….
Yupp: a 5''00 (152cm) guy sometimes can win over a gang of 5''7' guys.
But this story is not about sometimes short people being able to do brave or do hard things (that I already very well know): it’s that short guys tend to have many of what sometimes in biology is called ''red muscle'', which predominantly works with oxygen. Very tall guys have generally less red muscle and have massive ''white muscle'', which works like a missile but during a much shorter period of time (of course to a certain extent you can train and develop both, but with anatomical and physiological limitations.
You see the short guys winning marathons sometimes (sometimes also much taller usually black guys that have a very specific train since childhood and physical constitution). On the other hand, you have the 100m sprinters like Bolt, who run all the 100 m without consuming one single molecule of oxygen but would never run a marathon with a decent time.
So, to sum up, what I want to say here is that if there was not heightism and height neurosis, short people could ''compensate'' with many things, and be as happy or as ''normal'' as others. They tend also for example to have less aortic and articulation's diseases, apparently (although there are other negative biological issues, also) .
I could save the money probably only because: 1) the gang was taken by surprise by my strenght and quick reaction (they jumped first to the money, not my body, and that surely seemed easy to do, and 2) I could hold it tightly beyond a certain time window, when my red aerobic muscle started to balance and to win over their white anaerobic muscle.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

I'm saving most of my income so I can invest my money in real estate, and get the surgery done when I'm 30 (I'm on my mid 20's right now).

Get it done ASAP.  Don't be short for five years during which your penis still fully works.  Viagra/Cialis are not a 100% perfect time machine back to youth.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

I understand your point but I think I was self explanatory also. Let me tell you two curious facts.

The first (I repeat it here sometimes) is that the average height of one of the top military elite forces, the Navy Seals, is ‘’only’’ 5''8'.
 
The other is a story of mine, when, my forum fellow friend (no irony), I think I JUST *UCK UP YOUR THEORY that:

''If you have to handicap someone in a hypothetical scenario to compete you have already lost''.

I had just withdrawn money from the ATM machine, by night, and when I still hadn't put money in the pocket an entire gang of tall white adolescents literally jumped over me, I fell down on the floor and hold the money tight in my hand; there were already maybe two guys’ weight over my body while maybe 4 or 5 other grabbing me by the legs and rest of the body.
They desperately tried to grab the money. Suddenly I kicked one guy with my foot like a horse, with desperate adrenaline’s brute force and I projected him well around a meter away and still remember the astonishing faces of some. I continued to hold the money as tight as I could while 2 or 3 just tried to open my hand! Finally someone appeared down the street that could see the scene, they finally left….
Yupp: a 5''00 (152cm) guy sometimes can win over a gang of 5''7' guys.
But this story is not about sometimes short people being able to do brave or do hard things (that I already very well know): it’s that short guys tend to have many of what sometimes in biology is called ''red muscle'', which predominantly works with oxygen. Very tall guys have generally less red muscle and have massive ''white muscle'', which works like a missile but during a much shorter period of time (of course to a certain extent you can train and develop both, but with anatomical and physiological limitations.
You see the short guys winning marathons sometimes (sometimes also much taller usually black guys that have a very specific train since childhood and physical constitution). On the other hand, you have the 100m sprinters like Bolt, who run all the 100 m without consuming one single molecule of oxygen but would never run a marathon with a decent time.
So, to sum up, what I want to say here is that if there was not heightism and height neurosis, short people could ''compensate'' with many things, and be as happy or as ''normal'' as others. They tend also for example to have less aortic articulation diseases, apparently (although there are other negative biological issues, also) .
I could save the money probably only because: 1) the gang was taken by surprise by my strenght and quick reaction (they jumped first to the money, not my body, and that surely seemed easy to do, and 2) I could hold it tightly beyond a certain time window, when my red aerobic muscle started to balance and to win over their white anaerobic muscle.

Stories like a short hero beating up or humiliating a gang of tall white guys have been already heard of from another Indian guy who is also advocating to beat up taller white guys and commit intentional injury cases and as I already said, that you won taller guys over grapples and rhubarbs never can be perceived a good proof that you can tap how many girls as you want or even win respects from others cuz it's impossible to tell everyone who is despising your height about those legends to reverse their viewpoints about you instead in some extremises they would even think you are resorting to violence cuz you are too feeling inferior about your height and you had even developed Irritable Personality. Sad but true story.
If you don't buy my 'nonsenses' just ask some girls some questions like 'Which of one will you choose as your dating material? a 6'3 skinny guy who can't beat anyone up or a 4'3 guy who will be the next champion of WWE?' and I think the answers will pretty explain what I am talking about.

[zaozari]

You didn't understand my post. But the expression of yours that I quoted is objectively wrong as a generalisation: I just beat the gang. But I didn't imply any "extension" of my story with the gang to getting girls and not having problems with height. What am I doing here?
I just don't understand how you twisted my words to see it as something against you or short people like me. Without false modesty I thought it could even be an inspiring mini story to you too.  But by the way (some here are maybe fed up of reading this) I am 152 cm and had 3 wonderful girlfriends (around 155/157 cm tall). So, in my case, I could maybe then say, contradicting you again: yeah, I beat the gang and then "of course" I got a "little trio bunch" of girls.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

You didn't understand my post. But the expression of yours that I quoted is objectively wrong as a generalisation: I just beat the gang. But I didn't imply any "extension" of my story with the gang to getting girls and not having problems with height. What am I doing here?
I just don't understand how you twisted my words to see it as something against you or short people like me. Without false modesty I thought it could even be an inspiring mini story to you too.  But by the way (some here are maybe fed up of reading this) I am 152 cm and had 3 wonderful girlfriends (around 155/157 cm tall). So, in my case, I could maybe then say, contradicting you again: yeah, I beat the gang and then "of course" I got a "little trio bunch" of girls.

Alright sorry to have misinterpreted your statements mate that indeed is my fault. But the point of me replying to you consistently is that I don't think except LL you can achieve as many respects as you want unless you are really that famous and holding powers de jure and de facto(remember money cannot achieve 'respects' but only 'Sycophancy') or whatnots and my point is that short men's beating up whoever is taller than him cannot really achieve respects and courtesies but only can prove that you are excellent at grappling with others taller than you.

[Highest]

I'm not sure if I understood well. You mean we all should be the maximum taller possible to able to "win" in any "competing scenario"??
Is this a forum for humans who NEED (and not only for those who legitimatelly want) CLL, by all medical parameters, or are we here in a documentary from David Attenborough about survival of hienas against other beasts in the jungle?
Be free to say whstever you want but try to be reasonable and bring positive contribution. Educate yourself about what means living in HUMAN society instead of being a paradoxical contributor to heightism discrimination right here !!!. I very rarely was badly treated for being short. In high school for example, in fact even the other kids respected me because I integrated, played good soccer, helped them in class, etc. Would you say that everybody shorter than 176 cm (170? 174? I don't know your height) are doomed to tragedy? If this is so, and without being the mod, I would say that, since you don't minimally respect all your "real" short or just shorter fellows here, specially those more clinically, psyhologically and sociological in more urgent need of LL ( if I was around 4 cm shorter, being otherwise healthy or not, I would have surgery paid by the National health system), then you'd have no place here in my opinion, sorry.  You're not respecting diversity. If you're within one standard deviation from average height with no other clinical or life story argument, I could more legitimatelly call you a fool than you call me anything else (I'm well below 2 standard deviations). Your mind is totally alienated from what empathy means, you don't know the fundamentals of ethics in medicine, and you're immature and deeply unsensible. You (maybe not aware of it) insult shorther people as crippled, handicaped, lost for life.
If I understood well.

You did not understand well.

What I meant was you have to compare like with like. In his example he should have compared a similar height white man who is also shredded to a latino man who is shredded rather than having to make the white guy skinny so that he "wins".

Example would be if I said I would rather be a handsome black man who is 178cm compared an ugly asian man who is 182cm. See how I stacked the deck in my favor and that the example is unfair? That's what I'm referring to.

I understand that you being 152cm must be incredibly difficult and emasculating and I do feel sorry for you. I'm not sure where the rest of your rant came from and you got triggered quite badly and become unnecessarily aggressive.

By any chance is English your second language? It could be why you didn't understand the context.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

You did not understand well.

What I meant was you have to compare like with like. In his example he should have compared a similar height white man who is also shredded to a latino man who is shredded rather than having to make the white guy skinny so that he "wins".

Example would be if I said I would rather be a handsome black man who is 178cm compared an ugly asian man who is 182cm. See how I stacked the deck in my favor and that the example is unfair? That's what I'm referring to.

I understand that you being 152cm must be incredibly difficult and emasculating and I do feel sorry for you. I'm not sure where the rest of your rant came from and you got triggered quite badly and become unnecessarily aggressive.

By any chance is English your second language? It could be why you didn't understand the context.

I also got it. You are arguing against biased comparisons towards certain attributes and we gotta keep the attributes equivalent except those that we use for comparisons. But still I am sticking with my original viewpoints:height is a crucial attribute that is inflexible unless doing LL so that your misinterpreted statements can corroborate it and we gotta realize how important height actually is.
But it's without any courtesy to point out or maybe associate his being that short with being excessively aggressive.
I think he twisted the word 'handicap' and in his eyes he thought you meant 'disability' by 'handicap', one of whose meanings is also 'giving somebody a defect'.

[Highest]

I also got it. You are arguing against biased comparisons towards certain attributes and we gotta keep the attributes equivalent except those that we use for comparisons. But still I am sticking with my original viewpoints:height is a crucial attribute that is inflexible unless doing LL so that your misinterpreted statements can corroborate it and we gotta realize how important height actually is.
But it's without any courtesy to point out or maybe associate his being that short with being excessively aggressive.
I think he twisted the word 'handicap' and in his eyes he thought you meant 'disability' by 'handicap', one of w ;Dhose meanings is also 'giving somebody a defect'.

I think we can all agree height is important or else we wouldn't be on this forum   

And yes I think he got confused about handicap context and has had a very hard time in life due to being 152cm which he thought I have no sympathy for him. I understand why he is so sensitive but asking for clarification rather than ranting I shouldn't be on the forum would be a better way to proceed in future.

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Get it done ASAP.  Don't be short for five years during which your penis still fully works.  Viagra/Cialis are not a 100% perfect time machine back to youth.

Speaking for a friend though right MDOW? 

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Cialis and Viagra both work for my test subject, but both give him headaches and a stuffy nose for hours or days....my test subject had tried many dose sizes and timings...