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Loss of time due to LL
« on: February 08, 2022, 06:49:10 PM »

Hi,

I am unable to take 6-7 months off due to extreme work pressure in my current job. As few of you know here, my height is 5' 6". I am still getting rejected by women and I think my rejection sensitivity is pretty high. Every time I get a reject from  a girl I really like, I feel sad and depressed and go in a depression cycle. I am in a quandary right now whether to face multiple rejections, get strong and hope that some girl I like will ignore my height and still like me. Else, take time off sacrificing career goals, get tall and be more attractive to women at large. Can anyone help me in making this decision?

I am open to suggestions involving action in either of these 2 ways or an entirely different input altogether on how to handle this.
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2022, 08:58:36 PM »

There's no reason you'd have to leave work for that long. Just take a couple months off for the distraction period, then fly home for consolidation. The worst that can happen during the consolidation period is non-union or delayed union, and that's something you can deal with at home.
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Re: Loss of time due to LL
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2022, 03:06:20 AM »

Bro, you are talking as if non-union is a small issue..
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2022, 03:44:46 AM »

There's no reason you'd have to leave work for that long. Just take a couple months off for the distraction period, then fly home for consolidation. The worst that can happen during the consolidation period is non-union or delayed union, and that's something you can deal with at home.

If you're lengthening with a partial weight bearing device like Precice 2, you will need to stay at least 2 to 3 more months (maybe even more) into consolidation until your bones are consolidated enough to walk independently.
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2022, 03:55:11 AM »

Bro, you are talking as if non-union is a small issue..

No, I'm not.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2022, 03:56:37 AM »

If you're lengthening with a partial weight bearing device like Precice 2, you will need to stay at least 2 to 3 more months (maybe even more) into consolidation until your bones are consolidated enough to walk independently.

I guess, but I would never get precice unless I didn't have better options.
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Re: Loss of time due to LL
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2022, 04:54:16 AM »

There's no reason you'd have to leave work for that long. Just take a couple months off for the distraction period, then fly home for consolidation. The worst that can happen during the consolidation period is non-union or delayed union, and that's something you can deal with at home.

Another worst case scenario in consolidation phase is hardware break. An internal rod, even the full weight bearing Stryde rod, can bend because the patient miscalculated the rod's  load limits and bone consolidation, then the bone can consolidate around the curved rod. Or the rod can break at the locking screws, or even crack in the main shaft.

I can't numerically rate which is worse, non-union or hardware break. But either case will be a major disaster. Also, neither one of these can be fixed by the patient at home.

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Re: Loss of time due to LL
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2022, 05:17:07 AM »

I have read about gnail/betzbone nail users, they have been able to resume work in no time
Dr Giotikas confirmed that 6 weeeks post op and one can return work
this is the reason why I am considering the G-nail now
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2022, 06:14:40 AM »

You don't need to sacrifice that long time for lengthening. For example(just set Betz as an example and I am not promoting him or whatnot), you can go for Betz to do internal surgeries and the way I heard about Betz he can guarantee you can go home after 2 weeks but you gotta periodically show your X-ray of your bones to him and if the X-rays revealed any issues you gotta go back to Betz for certain countermeasures.
But I dunno what your job is and if you are engaging in manual works then just forget what I've said.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2022, 06:33:46 AM »

Another worst case scenario in consolidation phase is hardware break. An internal rod, even the full weight bearing Stryde rod, can bend because the patient miscalculated the rod's  load limits and bone consolidation, then the bone can consolidate around the curved rod. Or the rod can break at the locking screws, or even crack in the main shaft.

I can't numerically rate which is worse, non-union or hardware break. But either case will be a major disaster. Also, neither one of these can be fixed by the patient at home.

Serious Complications of Limb Lengthening Surgery
https://youtu.be/9aYZEPShAvk

That’s true, but my point is that you’ll catch it in the weekly x-rays you’ll be sending to your doctor. It’s not as time-sensitive in that sense as lengthening complications.
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Re: Loss of time due to LL
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2022, 08:03:03 AM »

Can you realistically work from home after 5 months?
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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2022, 08:39:43 AM »

If I were you I'd rather be jobless to achieve my goal. Height is driving me crazy and I have severe Depression cuz of height.
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2022, 09:02:27 AM »

Me too..I am 167 cm and it sucks the   out of me
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2022, 02:17:24 PM »

Hi,

I am unable to take 6-7 months off due to extreme work pressure in my current job. As few of you know here, my height is 5' 6". I am still getting rejected by women and I think my rejection sensitivity is pretty high. Every time I get a reject from  a girl I really like, I feel sad and depressed and go in a depression cycle. I am in a quandary right now whether to face multiple rejections, get strong and hope that some girl I like will ignore my height and still like me. Else, take time off sacrificing career goals, get tall and be more attractive to women at large. Can anyone help me in making this decision?

I am open to suggestions involving action in either of these 2 ways or an entirely different input altogether on how to handle this.
If you are "frozen" in neurosis you should try psychotherapy approach first, like behavioural cognitive therapy, positive psychology, even (serious) hypnotherapy. If you see that your "reality" out of the therapist room doesn't change, you should go for LL but not looking at rushing it, just looking for realistic goals and good doctors. If you don't surmount height neurosis your career is probably f****** anyway (I should tell my honest opinion.).
Otherwise, you can fight neurosis, as you can be sure you will find a good woman that loves you sooner or later, I guarantee you. However you can never seem desperate or looking for a crying shoulder and then fall in weak, beta man or friend mode.
Take the time to develop your other areas of atractiveness: a decent car, a well decorated house or apartment of your own, get travel and hobbies experience, connect with family, learn languages, invest to get more money, learn to dress elegantly, practice good humor and learn to joke lightly, get coaching, learn how to cook, learn something about babies in your family and feminine psychology (yes!...), be updated on music, cinema, politics, general culture, be imaginative, do what others don't, learn tricks of "pick up artists", etc. If you "lose war" in the next 5 or 6 years, come back to LL.
And never look back!
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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2022, 02:29:09 PM »

Can you realistically work from home after 5 months?

I started wfh three weeks after the surgery, but I am a software engineer and very familiar with my project so I can work on it even when I am out of form - which I still am and will be for a while.

The point I want to make is that for you the time frame will depend on the work you do. Your body will be running on reduced speed for a very long time on account of it having more important things to take care off, e.g. build bone, build soft tissues etc. If your job requires you to be at 100% then you will need to take a about a year off, otherwise it may be as little as a week.
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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2022, 03:37:36 PM »

Can you realistically work from home after 5 months?

Dr. Catagni, Pili, and Solomin told me I can lengthen at their centers, then go home to consolidate and send x-rays--since externals are very low complication during the consolidation phase.
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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2022, 04:22:12 PM »

If you are "frozen" in neurosis you should try psychotherapy approach first, like behavioural cognitive therapy, positive psychology, even (serious) hypnotherapy. If you see that your "reality" out of the therapist room doesn't change, you should go for LL but not looking at rushing it, just looking for realistic goals and good doctors. If you don't surmount height neurosis your career is probably f****** anyway (I should tell my honest opinion.).
Otherwise, you can fight neurosis, as you can be sure you will find a good woman that loves you sooner or later, I guarantee you. However you can never seem desperate or looking for a crying shoulder and then fall in weak, beta man or friend mode.
Take the time to develop your other areas of atractiveness: a decent car, a well decorated house or apartment of your own, get travel and hobbies experience, connect with family, learn languages, invest to get more money, learn to dress elegantly, practice good humor and learn to joke lightly, get coaching, learn how to cook, learn something about babies in your family and feminine psychology (yes!...), be updated on music, cinema, politics, general culture, be imaginative, do what others don't, learn tricks of "pick up artists", etc. If you "lose war" in the next 5 or 6 years, come back to LL.
And never look back!
I am not deliberately projecting negative emotions but I never saw any short guy can get rid of 'height neurosis', at least completely and I myself cannot exempt from it. What's worse my height neurosis is getting more and more horrible after I broke up with my first love(but the reason why we broke up is not my height) and cannot repress extreme thoughts, some of which I have expressed on this forum to achieve bad looks from angry guys with my words. So I don't think except LL anything else including psychiatric therapies(I have tried them for already 5 times) can triumph over height neurosis but all you said impress me with your tremendous well-meaningnesses and declamations. Salute!
I can conjecture that you are a highly educated gentleman but screwed up in the appearance by height if I guess it right, furthermore, I can figure out why you are still overwhelmed in height neurosis even after having tapped 3 girls taller than you, which can also corroborate my argument at the beginning of my statements.
But I have learned from you that your height is 152cm/153cm. So what's the point you not planning on Paley's Option 3?
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« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2022, 04:25:10 PM »

I started wfh three weeks after the surgery, but I am a software engineer and very familiar with my project so I can work on it even when I am out of form - which I still am and will be for a while.

The point I want to make is that for you the time frame will depend on the work you do. Your body will be running on reduced speed for a very long time on account of it having more important things to take care off, e.g. build bone, build soft tissues etc. If your job requires you to be at 100% then you will need to take a about a year off, otherwise it may be as little as a week.
Yeah you got it and that's why I was inquiring what his occupation is and he is a workingman then it is impossible for him to sacrifice such time and athleticism for getting taller.
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« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2022, 05:21:11 PM »

Sorry, mistake again
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« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2022, 05:27:06 PM »

I am not deliberately projecting negative emotions but I never saw any short guy can get rid of 'height neurosis', at least completely and I myself cannot exempt from it. What's worse my height neurosis is getting more and more horrible after I broke up with my first love(but the reason why we broke up is not my height) and cannot repress extreme thoughts, some of which I have expressed on this forum to achieve bad looks from angry guys with my words. So I don't think except LL anything else including psychiatric therapies(I have tried them for already 5 times) can triumph over height neurosis but all you said impress me with your tremendous well-meaningnesses and declamations. Salute!
I can conjecture that you are a highly educated gentleman but screwed up in the appearance by height if I guess it right, furthermore, I can figure out why you are still overwhelmed in height neurosis even after having tapped 3 girls taller than you, which can also corroborate my argument at the beginning of my statements.
But I have learned from you that your height is 152cm/153cm. So what's the point you not planning on Paley's Option 3?


You guessed well, I'm screwed and sometimes ashamed of myself and ashamed for being ashamed...because all my education goes against being worried about appearance and because it goes also against doing a surgery that has obvious risks (and plus costs a lot of money and time). And I hardly have money for just one segment, time is limited and probability of complications higher due to age.

At the same time, that same education also prevented me from falling from neurosis, from depression (even when turned chronic), from a "pharmacy at home" intoxicating my liver, from psychiatrists and psychologists (I though the depression was still curable despite the neurosis which now seems pathetic), to drugs, alcoholism, heavier insanity or to other even more dramatic or tragic ways.

However, my professional, social and financial life still got screwed, as well as an undescriptible chronic sadness. But because of that same education, agsin, I didn't seek LL seriously while I was younger (well, CLL was unheard of here but I still went to two surgeons consultations: one only did surgery in crippled people and with the other, he was opened to the idea, and at FREE cost, with nails in femurs, but I hesitated because I was scared and he eventually died!). The fact that the surgery was maybe riskier than today is no consolation, altough I may have been previously  "saved" from being crippled by the first generation of GH injections, which I didn't took due to fammily hesitation, because at that time, GH was often severely contaminated (thousands of people got crippled and were still in courts in France a few yesrs years ago). So, GH was an example that being cautious with growing taller sometimes, also paid.

Now, I am obviously aware that height neurosis was the root cause of all depression in a vicious cycle of social isolation, less success at work, suffering, etc. And I am now fighting for maybe not even a third of my "joy years" of life. There are two consolations only: the fact that apparently in most cases of successful LL people get really happier and the fact that for me it is a certainty that achieving no more than 1,62/1,65m (last one probably impossible without going beyond reasonable lenghtening) will be more than enough for me (which is still 13/10 cm below average in my country and surely is very strange to most of you). But there is when my "educative culture" enters again in action :-) . I will probably also use elevator shoes...

Finally, I don’t go for Paley not only because it's too expensive but also because I want to stay in Europe or look for safe options on the Eastern "side", and altough he is surely one of the best, there are many things I personally don't appreciate in him and thus don't feel enough empathy and trust as his future patient. Also because there are alternatives and I personally decided (not price related), but that's another story, to go for tibias and externals (which I know will also surprise many of you). And in that field I can pay the best which luckyly are not greedy and are very ethical. I also prefer to let my body fully "resolve" tibias before going for femurs (with nails) although I still don't have a cent to do femurs without selling my house, which I will avoid at all costs....well, maybe not at all costs...

Please don't get maybe too "touched" by such a sad story, just use it as one more little piece of information to evaluate all your options.
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2022, 08:10:26 PM »

I started wfh three weeks after the surgery, but I am a software engineer and very familiar with my project so I can work on it even when I am out of form - which I still am and will be for a while.

The point I want to make is that for you the time frame will depend on the work you do. Your body will be running on reduced speed for a very long time on account of it having more important things to take care off, e.g. build bone, build soft tissues etc. If your job requires you to be at 100% then you will need to take a about a year off, otherwise it may be as little as a week.

I am an engineer too!
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2022, 08:19:53 PM »

I'm better than you on that aspect for LL: I'm unemployed! 😔😜
(I do freelance work in Fiverr and Upwork when I get some)
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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2022, 09:45:33 PM »

I have read about gnail/betzbone nail users, they have been able to resume work in no time
Dr Giotikas confirmed that 6 weeeks post op and one can return work
this is the reason why I am considering the G-nail now

Yes, the gnail/betzbone nails are full weight bearing and a little cheaper than the Precice 2. But there is a tradeoff for everything.

The gnail/betzbone nails are mechanical nails that are not reversible. That is the biggest weakness because if you develop a non-union, it's going to be a disaster.

BTW, I'm not trying to persuade you against the gnail/betzbone nails. There are a lot of patients who have successfully lengthened with them. And yes, you can get back to work (depending on the job) much faster after done lengthening, rather than waiting for a few more months with the Precice. But there is a tradeoff for everything, and no lengthening device is perfect in all aspects.
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« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2022, 06:53:47 AM »

Yes, the gnail/betzbone nails are full weight bearing and a little cheaper than the Precice 2. But there is a tradeoff for everything.

The gnail/betzbone nails are mechanical nails that are not reversible. That is the biggest weakness because if you develop a non-union, it's going to be a disaster.

BTW, I'm not trying to persuade you against the gnail/betzbone nails. There are a lot of patients who have successfully lengthened with them. And yes, you can get back to work (depending on the job) much faster after done lengthening, rather than waiting for a few more months with the Precice. But there is a tradeoff for everything, and no lengthening device is perfect in all aspects.

100% this is one of the risks but I guess this can be solved by doing more x-rays and regular monitoring. besides of course the outdated and inconvenient twisting mechanism .
but I honestly can't imagine surviving without a full weight bearing nail , so I am taking my chances
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« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2022, 07:24:26 AM »


You guessed well, I'm screwed and sometimes ashamed of myself and ashamed for being ashamed...because all my education goes against being worried about appearance and because it goes also against doing a surgery that has obvious risks (and plus costs a lot of money and time). And I hardly have money for just one segment, time is limited and probability of complications higher due to age.

At the same time, that same education also prevented me from falling from neurosis, from depression (even when turned chronic), from a "pharmacy at home" intoxicating my liver, from psychiatrists and psychologists (I though the depression was still curable despite the neurosis which now seems pathetic), to drugs, alcoholism, heavier insanity or to other even more dramatic or tragic ways.

However, my professional, social and financial life still got screwed, as well as an undescriptible chronic sadness. But because of that same education, agsin, I didn't seek LL seriously while I was younger (well, CLL was unheard of here but I still went to two surgeons consultations: one only did surgery in crippled people and with the other, he was opened to the idea, and at FREE cost, with nails in femurs, but I hesitated because I was scared and he eventually died!). The fact that the surgery was maybe riskier than today is no consolation, altough I may have been previously  "saved" from being crippled by the first generation of GH injections, which I didn't took due to fammily hesitation, because at that time, GH was often severely contaminated (thousands of people got crippled and were still in courts in France a few yesrs years ago). So, GH was an example that being cautious with growing taller sometimes, also paid.

Now, I am obviously aware that height neurosis was the root cause of all depression in a vicious cycle of social isolation, less success at work, suffering, etc. And I am now fighting for maybe not even a third of my "joy years" of life. There are two consolations only: the fact that apparently in most cases of successful LL people get really happier and the fact that for me it is a certainty that achieving no more than 1,62/1,65m (last one probably impossible without going beyond reasonable lenghtening) will be more than enough for me (which is still 13/10 cm below average in my country and surely is very strange to most of you). But there is when my "educative culture" enters again in action :-) . I will probably also use elevator shoes...

Finally, I don’t go for Paley not only because it's too expensive but also because I want to stay in Europe or look for safe options on the Eastern "side", and altough he is surely one of the best, there are many things I personally don't appreciate in him and thus don't feel enough empathy and trust as his future patient. Also because there are alternatives and I personally decided (not price related), but that's another story, to go for tibias and externals (which I know will also surprise many of you). And in that field I can pay the best which luckyly are not greedy and are very ethical. I also prefer to let my body fully "resolve" tibias before going for femurs (with nails) although I still don't have a cent to do femurs without selling my house, which I will avoid at all costs....well, maybe not at all costs...

Please don't get maybe too "touched" by such a sad story, just use it as one more little piece of information to evaluate all your options.
I am not being judgemental about others' lives but I think if you can't even afford for one segment then you should pay more attentions to making money at least don't get obsessed with your height and horrendously distressed so that you can't fixate yourself on making money and other meaningful activities, nearly all of above you mentioned above in addition to other not brought up activities.
I mapped out a backup plan for you but just my own thoughts so welcomed to your retorts LOL.
If you can't afford for Paley's quadrilateral lengthening, but you still wanna achieve 13cm+ growth on your height, then it's far safer to do rebreaking at least on one of the segments than without rebreaking. So you gotta at least earn enough money to lengthen your femurs with internal methods to achieve 7/8cm on your femurs and if you wanna achieve 16cm growth like me then you need to rebreak your tibias with internal methods and the way I learned about Paley only Paley is able to rebreak your tibias to acheive 8cm growth. If you don't aim for 16cm but just 5-6cm on your tibias, just do external tibias.
But again, all what I said are just my advices and if anything unreasonable then sorry.
But eitherway it's never a good move to get addicted to drugs, or other crazy stuffs although I can totally relate.
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« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2022, 12:19:34 PM »

It's not unreasonable what you said at all, it makes sense and thanks a lot for taking your time trying to help. But I have no more biological time to wait and I hope I am not far from having the money for the first part of my plan with the surgeons I want (tibias with externals).
I may never do femurs but I try to think on one problem at a time....
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