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[Itsme]

I hope I don't come across as a giant   with this post in this forum, because I'm not. And I hope you take my thoughts seriously. I don't know of any other place on the internet where you can talk openly about this topic, so here it is.

This is not about me, I feel fine with my height of 5'10" (178cm). It's about my relationship, genetics, future children and the happiness of them.

I treat every person out there nicely and with respect, unfortunately most of the world is not like that. I know it can be very hard in life for very short men. I hear this, observe it and read many reports on the internet about it.
If you are honest, heightism is the only form of discrimination that is still tolerated almost everywhere. Make a racist, sxxist, homophonic slur and you can lose your job, make it about a man's height and it's funny. I am aware of the subject, but now to my topic:

When I met my girlfriend (5'1" 155cm average height for girls in her country) almost 3 years ago, I did not think for a second about the topic of height. No problem for me, she is an enormously attractive and kind-hearted woman.  But now, with the thought of a future family with (maybe male) children, the thought has settled in my head.
I have to say that I am from Europe and she is from Latin America (Chile). I worked there for a while and met her in this time. We lived together in her country and in mine. It's still had a long distance relationship, but without major problems.

The people in her country are all much shorter on average than in mine. What shocked me a bit on my last visit there in October 2021 were her two brothers, which I have not seen in 2 years (she traveled to my country in this time). One is 16yo, the other one 21yo and neither are appreciably taller than her, maybe 5'3" at absolute best 5'4" (160-163cm). Both are shorter than their father, who should be about 5'6" (169cm+-) (parents live apart, I couldn't see him the last time I went there).Their mother is shorter than my girlfriend, maybe 4'11" (149cm) and her grandma shorter again, maybe 4'8"/9" (143cm). I don't know for sure I didn't measure of course.
All are very kind people and I treat them with the utmost respect.

Nevertheless, I must say that men with the height of her brothers do not really exist in my country. And this is what scares me when I think of a future family with children and we may have a son who could inherits the genes more from her side. Personally, I don't care how tall my son will be to be honest, but he will care I guess. And you want to see your children happy.
It sucks hard, b a man who is 5'3" certainly doesn't have it easy in my country, he will be shorter than every guy and nearly most girls. So I have a lot of concerns about my potential children's happiness, especially if it's a boy. I see our future, if there is one, in my country as well.

This thought is killing me mentally for a long time, I feel really bad about it. Am I overreacting? What do you think?

Besides, I can't talk to her openly about the subject either, because I don't want to hurt her or her family. On the other hand, she recently told me about a friend of her who is very unhappy because he has a hard time finding a partner in Chile since he is short. It put me down, I know him, he's a great guy. If he struggles to find a partner in Latin America because of his height, how is that supposed to be in my country where people are far taller?

It makes me sad, angry and desperate that I even have to think about this topic and that it's a problem, but it's a tough and unkind world out there.

[zaozari]

I don’t think you need to make a drama out of it.
Your male sons will be around 173/174 cm and can even reach 183 cm, if all care is taken during pregnancy and his development. 174cm is average in many European countries and slightly below UK (175 cm). There won't be any problem if you concentrate NOT in transmitting him your concerns on height but on the contrary, BUILD strong self esteem on himself.
Theoretically he can also be as short as 164 cm minimum but if he gets below one standard deviation some doctor will prescribe him growth hormone (which can or cannot work). But be careful not to "create" a problem to him if that doesn't exist yet!
Much more important for his hapiness is genetically and chromosome screening of the fetus before around 12 weeks pregnancy for hundreds of severe diseases that would impair drastically all his and family's quality of life (this is already partially possible).
Remember always: his hapiness depends also more on things such as their own parents hapiness, a good childhood and self esteem, good health, good environment at school, etc, than anything else.
In turn, this will make him more seducer and successful with girls!

[173to187USTORUSSIA]

Personally man, I wouldn't care about a girls height AT ALL IF we weren't having kids.

If I have kids, I only want sons. I want to raise tall super players that can successfully carry on my genetic legacy while plowing other men's daughters. If you only want daughter I say stay with this chick.

If and when I decide to have sons, it will be with a TALL woman, as tall and reasonably attractive as I can find, ideally 5'10. I want to create elite warriors that will have an easy life and be able to easily attract women in the dating and mating game - and sports, and life in general.

[Highest]

Personally man, I wouldn't care about a girls height AT ALL IF we weren't having kids.

If I have kids, I only want sons. I want to raise tall super players that can successfully carry on my genetic legacy while plowing other men's daughters. If you only want daughter I say stay with this chick.

If and when I decide to have sons, it will be with a TALL woman, as tall and reasonably attractive as I can find, ideally 5'10. I want to create elite warriors that will have an easy life and be able to easily attract women in the dating and mating game - and sports, and life in general.

So when you have daughter's what you gonna do?

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

If short under -2SD of the average height then just inject HGH if not then just do CLL. Nothing special and you are so overacting to it.

[Itsme]

Your male sons will be around 173/174 cm

That would be alright. You must have used this height formula? I'm just really scared because her brothers are very, very short. In their country, they are one of many men with this height, in my country you would be by far the shortest.

Personally man, I wouldn't care about a girls height AT ALL IF we weren't having kids.

If I have kids, I only want sons. I want to raise tall super players that can successfully carry on my genetic legacy while plowing other men's daughters. If you only want daughter I say stay with this chick.

If and when I decide to have sons, it will be with a TALL woman, as tall and reasonably attractive as I can find, ideally 5'10. I want to create elite warriors that will have an easy life and be able to easily attract women in the dating and mating game - and sports, and life in general.

How are you going to make sure you have sons? That's random unless you're doing sex-selective IVF and I think a lot of women find that creepy.
I don't need tall sons, just "normal". Being tall alone won't help them, but being significantly too short would become a problem i guess.

If short under -2SD of the average height then just inject HGH if not then just do CLL. Nothing special and you are so overacting to it.

Her brothers would be below 1st percentile in my country .
Do you think HGH will work? I heared different stuff about it. If the health insurance does not cover it, it would of course be an enormous financial task

[zaozari]

Personally man, I wouldn't care about a girls height AT ALL IF we weren't having kids.

If I have kids, I only want sons. I want to raise tall super players that can successfully carry on my genetic legacy while plowing other men's daughters. If you only want daughter I say stay with this chick.

If and when I decide to have sons, it will be with a TALL woman, as tall and reasonably attractive as I can find, ideally 5'10. I want to create elite warriors that will have an easy life and be able to easily attract women in the dating and mating game - and sports, and life in general.

There are really two kinds of users in this forum, maybe it has to do with one's maturity, age, experiences in life so far, etc
Those that want LL to improve their lives, and those who want their lives to improve their height (even be the tallest possible (as well as all family, wife and kids!). WTF if my "short" wife loves me as nobody else will!

[zaozari]

That would be alright. You must have used this height formula? I'm just really scared because her brothers are very, very short. In their country, they are one of many men with this height, in my country you would be by far the shortest.

How are you going to make sure you have sons? That's random unless you're doing sxx-selective IVF and I think a lot of women find that creepy.
I don't need tall sons, just "normal". Being tall alone won't help them, but being significantly too short would become a problem i guess.
Her brothers would be below 1st percentile in my country .
Do you think HGH will work? I heared different stuff about it. If the health insurance does not cover it, it would of course be an enormous financial task

I don't know if HGH would work. It apparently fails around half of the times. The body kind of "compensates" many times.

[Itsme]

Thinking rationally and ignoring love:

It's very hard what I'm saying now, but sometimes I think it's better if we break up and she starts a family there and I here. Of course, that shouldn't be the "official" reason, as it would be too hurtful.
Considering her family height, the risk that our possible son will be very short is very high. And I think if that happens the son would be happier in Chile than in my country where the average is 178-180cm (5'10"-5'11").
It's sad to think of this, but people are merciless when you deviate far from the norm.

[zaozari]

Thinking rationally and ignoring love:

It's very hard what I'm saying now, but sometimes I think it's better if we break up and she starts a family there and I here. Of course, that shouldn't be the "official" reason, as it would be too hurtful.
Considering her family height, the risk that our possible son will be very short is very high. And I think if that happens the son would be happier in Chile than in my country where the average is 178-180cm (5'10"-5'11").
It's sad to think of this, but people are merciless when you deviate far from the norm.

Since you brought the issue here, may I be sincere my friend? "Rationally"? You don't deserve the woman you have.

Why instead of being concerned with a few centimetres, don't you screen right away your own "tall" genes to check if you may conceive a child with severe autism and severe handicaps? Concentrate maybe also in starting to learn how to be a good father which is not easy.
It would be sadly ironic if you find a "giant" woman full of those real bad genes.

Plus you (178cm) are below what you say is the average in your country (180 cm??). Are you miserable because of that? Why so? 2 cm? Get counselling before ruinning your life!

[ReadRothbard]

She's really not that short. The mid-parental height of your male children is 5'8.25" or 173.5 cm. If you notice problems with their growth in childhood or adolescence, you can nip it in the bud. But leave her? I have to say no, that's crazy.

[Itsme]

Why instead of being concerned with a few centimetres, don't you screen right away your own "tall" genes to check if you may conceive a child with severe autism and severe handicaps? Concentrate maybe also in starting to learn how to be a good father which is not easy.
It would be sadly ironic if you find a "giant" woman full of those real bad genes.

First of all, I don't think it's a negative behavior to think about the difficulties your child could have. If height would be completely unimportant to most people, I wouldn't think about this topic for a second.

Plus you (178cm) are below what you say is the average in your country (180 cm??). Are you miserable because of that? Why so? 2 cm? Get counselling before ruinning your life!

Nah, i am fine.

[Itsme]

First of all, I don't think it's a negative behavior to think about the difficulties your child could have. If height would be completely unimportant to most people, I wouldn't think about this topic for a second.
Nah, i am fine.

Yes, there are many girls around her height, even in my country. What got me thinking about all this stuff is, that her two brothers aren't that much taller than her. They're nice and smart guys, I like them a lot and they're making their way in Latin America. But i don't know if they would be happy here...

[ReadRothbard]

Yes, there are many girls around her height, even in my country. What got me thinking about all this stuff is, that her two brothers aren't that much taller than her. They're nice and smart guys, I like them a lot and they're making their way in Latin America. But i don't know if they would be happy here...

You also have to consider the fact that we don't know what height-increasing options will be like in 10-20 years--when your kids would be growing up.

[zaozari]

Instead of measuring your wife's height, maybe you should test for example if you have recessive mutations related to Wolf-Hirschhorn syndrome (1 in 20,000 births), it  can cause seizures, intellectual disability and ....growth delay.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

Dump her and find an Amazonian goddess worthy of you.

[zaozari]

This is a Limb lengthening forum, not a family planning website neither for whom think of slightly short or short people (ie, the users and even his future sons) as handicapped or abnormal in any special country.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

Instead of measuring your wife's height, maybe you should test for example if you have recessive mutations related to Wolf-Hirschhorn syndrome (1 in 20,000 births), it  can cause seizures, intellectual disability and ....growth delay.

If I were his son and he really had these potiential bad genes like u said I d rather inherit his tall genes although with potiential risks of these diseases and disablities cuz I think either of them is better than being short

[zaozari]

Or kill yourself, you already said.
What on earth are you waiting to do LL? Why haven't you killed yourself yet (fortunately)?
Why do you prefer to have diseases where you don't speak, don't think, don't move, can't feed, urinate or defecate by yourself? What on earth are you doing on this forum? Don't you understand how insulting and hurting you are for most short users (and pathologically disrespectful for yourselfasca human being)? Don't you realize, or people around you, that you need urgent help?

PLEASE TALK ASAP TO A PSY, A FRIEND, A BROTHER, A PRIEST, HELP LINE, or either a DEPRESSIVE or SHORT PEOPLE SELF HELP GROUP!

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

Or kill yourself, you already said.
What on earth are you waiting to do LL? Why haven't you killed yourself yet (fortunately)?
Why do you prefer to have diseases where you don't speak, don't think, don't move, can't feed, urinate or defecate by yourself? What on earth are you doing on this forum? Don't you understand how insulting and hurting you are for most short users (and pathologically disrespectful for yourselfasca human being)? Don't you realize, or people around you, that you need urgent help?

PLEASE TALK ASAP TO A PSY, A FRIEND, A BROTHER, A PRIEST, HELP LINE, or either a DEPRESSIVE or SHORT PEOPLE SELF HELP GROUP!

Mate you gotta know I am a college student and my house must be maintained for 5 yrs to go up the price to that can afford for LL and that's why I am still haunting on here and despair is residing in my life rn.
I have gone for psys for 5 times for psychiatric helps but the outcome was just nothing and as I realize more and more detriments my height is bringing to me I am also becoming more and more desperate and at a loss what to do except waiting for that house inflating its own price spontaneously thanks to China's economic inflation and I hope you can have some sympathy from my experiences.

[Highest]

Mate you gotta know I am a college student and my house must be maintained for 5 yrs to go up the price to that can afford for LL and that's why I am still haunting on here and despair is residing in my life rn.
I have gone for psys for 5 times for psychiatric helps but the outcome was just nothing and as I realize more and more detriments my height is bringing to me I am also becoming more and more desperate and at a loss what to do except waiting for that house inflating its own price spontaneously thanks to China's economic inflation and I hope you can have some sympathy from my experiences.

Say the prices doesn't inflate to the level you want or worse price goes down what is your backup plan?

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

Say the prices doesn't inflate to the level you want or worse price goes down what is your backup plan?

Then just make money

[zaozari]

Mate you gotta know I am a college student and my house must be maintained for 5 yrs to go up the price to that can afford for LL and that's why I am still haunting on here and despair is residing in my life rn.
I have gone for psys for 5 times for psychiatric helps but the outcome was just nothing and as I realize more and more detriments my height is bringing to me I am also becoming more and more desperate and at a loss what to do except waiting for that house inflating its own price spontaneously thanks to China's economic inflation and I hope you can have some sympathy from my experiences.

I have sympathy but hold on, be a man!
Take advantage of those 5 years to do something less stressing that exposes you less (without hidding). If psys aren't doing any good chose other psy approach (hypnotherapy, positive psychology, etc.)  and try, try, try other things which make you feel respected and cared of, like biodance, yoga, sports, find something you are surely good at.
I understand your despair, I tried psys for more than 20 years, I am neurotic, I still haven't the money to LL and will be money flat at a certain age after doing just one segment of LL while I am 5,00"". Yes: I am 152 cm! I need two segments, money, more time, luck and elevator shoes. The only positive point is that if my final safe height is less than 170 cm, I will be happy enough.
But still, with 152cm I had 3 wonderful girlfriends 3cm taller who could see something beyond my body, I could at the time show my good spirit and inteligence altough I still lost them not because of my height or them but because of my neurosis.  I lost decades of my life. You probably are half older than me or so. The more negativity you spread around, the less people can understand or help. Use this forum to help you find the best solutions,  keep sure that in 5 years LL will be even saffer. Be an adult,  raise your head, look ahead! But please don't fking bring so much poison here. You yourself get self empoisened and cultivate hate against you.

[Itsme]

This is a Limb lengthening forum, not a family planning website neither for whom think of slightly short or short people (ie, the users and even his future sons) as handicapped or abnormal in any special country.

I think you dislike me for personal reasons and see me as an douchbag, which I'm not. Yes, it's a limb lengthening forum, but why does it exist and why here are mostly male user? Because of these  ty societies. If height weren't an issue, this place and this surgery wouldn't exist. So I think it's okay to talk about the think i posted in the off-topic section.


Following is a different topic than my original post, but I have to say it:

It seriously needs a "height positivity campaign", just like body positivity, which almost only includes women. Check out the image search on google of "bodyposivitiy", it's 99% female only. There is a furniture store in my country that stopped selling bathroom scales this week because of body positivity, so that overweight people cannot let themselves be put under pressure when seeing their wight. The company uses it to apply, but only puts women in the pictures. I don't want to evaluate the campaign at all and see it neutrally, but something like that is needed for the topic of height. It would be great if none of that were a problem, as were other physical traits.

[zaozari]

Of course I don't dislike you for personal reasons, altough it's true you create me antipathy and even hostility towards you. I think I made clear why. We kind of live in different planets.

It irritates me also that you don't see that you are in reality, although totally convinced of your good intentions, more worried about yourself, not your future sons. And even this is an anonymous forum it shocks me your disrespect (no other word for it) you feel deeply inside and express publicly towards your wife.
The woman who probably loves you, lives with you, who smiles every morning at you, who makes love to you, maybe who cooks for you and maybe even cleans your   **it in the toilet while you watch TV (ok, this sounds personal, you're right dammit!)

[zaozari]

I forgot to say I agree on your second point. Decades from now, even certain current feminists and sociologists will eventually understand that heightism is a part of machism: one more point "obliging" women to be inferior and weaker. Biological dimorphismt don't explain it all. There's even domestic violence against men.
Heightism is also a primitive atavic manifestation of remembrance from the times when we were kids and looked up at adults. Many tall people live like prisoneers of that "animal" rational. But of course there's not any societal reality or explanation that "works" in 2022, or even 2032, to make society more "inteligent" and advanced. And definitly able to not make allmost all short people feel bad.

[zaozari]

Or kill yourself, you already said.
What on earth are you waiting to do LL? Why haven't you killed yourself yet (fortunately)?
Why do you prefer to have diseases where you don't speak, don't think, don't move, can't feed, urinate or defecate by yourself? What on earth are you doing on this forum? Don't you understand how insulting and hurting you are for most short users (and pathologically disrespectful for yourselfasca human being)? Don't you realize, or people around you, that you need urgent help?

PLEASE TALK ASAP TO A PSY, A FRIEND, A BROTHER, A PRIEST, HELP LINE, or either a DEPRESSIVE or SHORT PEOPLE SELF HELP GROUP!

I really need to say one more thing to you as a short man, LL mate.
I am not a doctor but I have scientific background, I unfortunately know something about psychology and even psychiatry. I am a patient and I know support groups .

This introduction is to say I fear you may leaving the neurosis zone and entering into the psychotic field.

Please tell a good reputated professional everything you write here. That you think recurrently of suicide, that you wish you were a tall disabled guy, etc. It's not even ridiculous going to an urgence hospital and tell a doctor you feel that bad and delusional. TALK, TALK, TALK. YOU ARE IN A DANGEROUS ZONE (or otherwise playing with everybody else here, specially me).

[tallmen]

Don't worry about your son. Be selfish.

[zaozari]

What son? Maybe you should tell him "Don't worry about your wife. Be selfish". After all, what's a woman?  Speciall a f****** 155 cm woman! F*** "for the good and the bad times". "Be hypocrite". Why not a "traitor" too?
Who's telling him not to worry with his future son? He hardly will be less than 173,5 cm . And is it a tragedy if he would be a few centimetres shorter probably only in case proper follow up is not made in childhood? The "father" is already being "selfish". He just can't stand the idea of managing such a "tragedy". That's the only issue here. There are really people who need to invent problems.

[BelowTheMean]

I think you dislike me for personal reasons and see me as an douchbag, which I'm not. Yes, it's a limb lengthening forum, but why does it exist and why here are mostly male user? Because of these  ty societies. If height weren't an issue, this place and this surgery wouldn't exist. So I think it's okay to talk about the think i posted in the off-topic section.


Following is a different topic than my original post, but I have to say it:

It seriously needs a "height positivity campaign", just like body positivity, which almost only includes women. Check out the image search on google of "bodyposivitiy", it's 99% female only. There is a furniture store in my country that stopped selling bathroom scales this week because of body positivity, so that overweight people cannot let themselves be put under pressure when seeing their wight. The company uses it to apply, but only puts women in the pictures. I don't want to evaluate the campaign at all and see it neutrally, but something like that is needed for the topic of height. It would be great if none of that were a problem, as were other physical traits.

The problem is that this campaign won’t change the mind of the opposite sex. Sure it might make women feel better about themselves, but it definitely isn’t going to make men want to bang fat chicks.

[tallmen]

Yeah, if you like the woman be with her. What's the point of being with a tall woman if you're not happy.