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[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

  Rather than 'equality', I prefer 'fairness', so I thnk LL must forbid patients above average height of their countriesfrom doing this surgery to guarantee 'taller men still can be taller men' will never happen.
  What's your take on this?

[ilovescience]

  Rather than 'equality', I prefer 'fairness', so I thnk LL must forbid patients above average height of their countriesfrom doing this surgery to guarantee 'taller men still can be taller men' will never happen.
  What's your take on this?

I don't know, but some taller men may want to do it if they want to become Hollywood stars. Same happening to people wanting to become Korean actors.

[Gg]

Well what is average??

[ilovescience]

Well what is average??

In Asia, the average height for taller men maybe around 174-175cm.

[Gg]

And America??

[ilovescience]

And America??

I guess if an American is around 176-178, that is a little taller but not super tall. 178 would be quite tall in Asia.

[Gg]

Is the average American 178?? I did not know that

[Gg]

Are you saying ban any person 175 and above from getting ll???

[ilovescience]

Are you saying ban any person 175 and above from getting ll???

NO. It's up to them whether they want to do LL.

[Gg]

Yes I agree

[Masteryourlife]

My thoughts are that u are crazy n that moderator should ban u and some other recent users !
Who are u or anyone to decide who is a good candidate or not !?
Get the surgery and stfu with all this hate n discrimination towards others as if it was others people fault that they are taller then u!!!

[Gg]

Yes - a silly question on this site

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

My thoughts are that u are crazy n that moderator should ban u and some other recent users !
Who are u or anyone to decide who is a good candidate or not !?
Get the surgery and stfu with all this hate n discrimination towards others as if it was others people fault that they are taller then u!!!

I saw your height and I am not considering you getting forbidden from this surgery if you are living in a country taller than 175cm.
I am just guaranteeing the necessity of LL cuz yesterday a post about LL arms race warned us that if everyone could achieve LL then LL instead became meaningless cuz taller men were still taller men.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

Yes - a silly question on this site

until one day you did surgery to grow up to like 170cm but orginally 170cm men did it to grow up to like 180cm. Still couldn't make sense.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

Are you saying ban any person 175 and above from getting ll???

If LL can guarantee it cannot be achieved by anyone who wants to do this then banning is just a joke. But in light of yesterday's post about LL arms race, it is likely not to be just a joke.

[Gg]

My gosh - you really don't make sense 😒

[Gg]

LL arms race???

[Masteryourlife]

1) You acting like every short men cares about height as much as we all do while I made example of poeple close to me shorter them me that could not care less .
2) because you are obsessed ,like all here, you consider "normal" or "douable" to brake both of ur legs , put nails in and go trough an exhausting period of distraction ,just to have right after a phase of consolidation where you will have to re-learn how to walk ..even with a weight bearing nail..not even considering that before n after stryde it was about being on wheelchair for months n months .

A LOT of people with height dysphoria out there will NOT do this surgery.
You can just go n scroll down the comment section on ytb  on some BBC videos or other programs in the states that brought this procedure ,and you will see how many people claim short heights but they would not do the surgery .
Others say they would but because to type it is easy but they eventually will never go for it because it is a BIG decision .
You forgetting all those factors and acting like this was easy n only thing from stopping taller people to do it it's because they don't know it .

[ReadRothbard]

1) You acting like every short men cares about height as much as we all do while I made example of poeple close to me shorter them me that could not care less .
2) because you are obsessed ,like all here, you consider "normal" or "douable" to brake both of ur legs , put nails in and go trough an exhausting period of distraction ,just to have right after a phase of consolidation where you will have to re-learn how to walk ..even with a weight bearing nail..not even considering that before n after stryde it was about being on wheelchair for months n months .

A LOT of people with height dysphoria out there will NOT do this surgery.
You can just go n scroll down the comment section on ytb  on some BBC videos or other programs in the states that brought this procedure ,and you will see how many people claim short heights but they would not do the surgery .
Others say they would but because to type it is easy but they eventually will never go for it because it is a BIG decision .
You forgetting all those factors and acting like this was easy n only thing from stopping taller people to do it it's because they don't know it .

I have to agree—not to mention tall people have even less motivation to undergo this kind of procedure.

[Gg]

Just stop posting silly questions - or moderator should step in

[Gg]

I mean u've posted nearly 1500 times and you will never do the surgery - have you nothing else to do  you are not adding to prospective Limb Lengthening- you are now taking seriously a ll arms race??? wtf

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

I mean u've posted nearly 1500 times and you will never do the surgery - have you nothing else to do  you are not adding to prospective Limb Lengthening- you are now taking seriously a ll arms race??? wtf

No need to register a new account th. I have to warn you if you were banned but you log in with a new account then you should claim it's your another account, otherwise you are still likely to get banned although I don't think mod will allow banned users to log in with a new account without being banned for one more time 

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

1) You acting like every short men cares about height as much as we all do while I made example of poeple close to me shorter them me that could not care less .
2) because you are obsessed ,like all here, you consider "normal" or "douable" to brake both of ur legs , put nails in and go trough an exhausting period of distraction ,just to have right after a phase of consolidation where you will have to re-learn how to walk ..even with a weight bearing nail..not even considering that before n after stryde it was about being on wheelchair for months n months .

A LOT of people with height dysphoria out there will NOT do this surgery.
You can just go n scroll down the comment section on ytb  on some BBC videos or other programs in the states that brought this procedure ,and you will see how many people claim short heights but they would not do the surgery .
Others say they would but because to type it is easy but they eventually will never go for it because it is a BIG decision .
You forgetting all those factors and acting like this was easy n only thing from stopping taller people to do it it's because they don't know it .

All right I think I have made it clear that if LL arms race will really happen then it's the only feasible way to eradicate LL arms race so I already got your points but the prerequisite of all of what I am talking about is LL arms race will happen. If it won't then O.C what I am saying is just a piss in the wind.

[Gg]

Banned for what, 1500 posts!!! 🤣

[Medium Drink Of Water]

There's no LL governing body that can tell every doctor on earth what to do.

[ReadRothbard]

I just don't think the concern is valid. LL is a costly, hard procedure to undergo that requires 6+ months of recovery, pain, and PT in order to return to normal. Do you really think tall people are going to go through with that? What motivations would they have for doing so? It would be a waste of time for them.

[zaozari]

Are you saying ban any person 175 and above from getting ll???

Everybody should be honest here: altough I respect everybody's opinions, if I was a doctor I would never do LL in a person even shorter than average in his country if he/she was within one standard deviation. And of course this wouldn't be like somebody said (I think incredible) to keep natural population proportions.
It would be of course because , although I will most probably do LL(my height neurosis is decades long and I am allmost beyond 3 standard deviations),  this is potentially (very) dangerous and in certain cases of height dysphoria, a man will sometimes never be happy with  his height.
In medicine the first Hipócrates principle is " do no harm".

[Masteryourlife]

Everybody should be honest here: altough I respect everybody's opinions, if I was a doctor I would never do LL in a person even shorter than average in his country if he/she was within one standard deviation. And of course this wouldn't be like somebody said (I think incredible) to keep natural population proportions.
It would be of course because , although I will most probably do LL(my height neurosis is decades long and I am allmost beyond 3 standard deviations),  this is potentially (very) dangerous and in certain cases of height dysphoria, a man will sometimes never be happy with  his height.
In medicine the first Hipócrates principle is " do no harm".

From renowned surgeons no bad cases (meaning deaths or complications that could not be fixed) have been reported .
Complications under 6 cm femur are pretty rare and overall people are satisfied.
Bad cases are reported with bad or new doctors and with big amount of lengthening.
This surgery is hard but until we undergo it , we don't know what it is and what it feels like to be on the other side,so we might overstimed it by trying to be more aware (if it makes sense said like this ) .
Some report it to be easier then they thought so ..if kids can undergo it (even tho unilateral) we can do it bilateral !
I'm very scared as well,but if it is performed worldwide then yes..for being cosmetic its "very risky" from a theoretical point of view , but because mental health it's not taked into account .
Its riskier to be depressed and unhappy both from a physical n mental point of view since this it's not an open brain surgery !

[zaozari]

I will probably do LL. and you're right in some points.
But unfortunately for me, you and most people here, I'm sorry,  you are not correct in crucial aspects.
You can check it in this forum, in which a minimal proportion of LLers participate. Here there are reported at least 3 thrombosis deaths, including with two of the top doctors (Paley and Guichet).
Several became crippled and many with physical "underperformance" after surgery.

We can only minimize risks by for example choosing one of the most experienced and ethical doctors, be ready to do 6 or even 7 physiotherapy sessions per week during months or more, choosing the saffest and not the more "fashion" or comfortable methods (still Ilizarov externals for tibias, for example), and being sure to be psychologically and financially prepared for treatment of complications, pain, etc.

[Masteryourlife]

I will probably do LL. and you're right in some points.
But unfortunately for me, you and most people here, I'm sorry,  you are not correct in crucial aspects.
You can check it in this forum, in which a minimal proportion of LLers participate. Here there are reported at least 3 thrombosis deaths, including with two of the top doctors (Paley and Guichet).
Several became crippled and many with physical "underperformance" after surgery.

We can only minimize risks by for example choosing one of the most experienced and ethical doctors, be ready to do 6 or even 7 physiotherapy sessions per week during months or more, choosing the saffest and not the more "fashion" or comfortable methods (still Ilizarov externals for tibias, for example), and being sure to be psychologically and financially prepared for treatment of complications, pain, etc.

Paley never had a death , just giotikas and guichet with a 13 mm thick albizza nail .
Giotikas is no one in this field and had several misalignments while guichet was a famous doctor but turned out not to be a  good one .
I read that sarin was very popular in old forum , this does not make him automatically a good choiche ( making an example that "famous" does not equal good) .

Crippled people ,as I said, were all with BAD doctors in bad countries (as far as I know/its reported here) .
Complications and underperformance can be a thing but it's up to age /amount of lengthening and so on .
A healthy 20 to 30 yo person with <6cm femur and <5 cm tibia , will hardly have bad outcomes with a good doctor .
Things can happen because its life , but this was my point .
People still to this day go to betz ( who is 70yo +) and do 10cm ..is it that LL it's not safe or that they are stupid ?

By no mean go and do it for bo reason , but I believe that if u follow those steps , you will eventually trade some athletic ability but you will be x10 times happier which to me , it's worth the trade .
Basketball players will have later in life joints problems ,same with soccer players of NFL players who had brain problems etc.
There is always a trade off in this life ,but if you do it for the right reasons , that trade off might be very worth it .

[zaozari]

Paley never had a death , just giotikas and guichet with a 13 mm thick albizza nail .
Giotikas is no one in this field and had several misalignments while guichet was a famous doctor but turned out not to be a  good one .
I read that sarin was very popular in old forum , this does not make him automatically a good choiche ( making an example that "famous" does not equal good) .

Crippled people ,as I said, were all with BAD doctors in bad countries (as far as I know/its reported here) .
Complications and underperformance can be a thing but it's up to age /amount of lengthening and so on .
A healthy 20 to 30 yo person with <6cm femur and <5 cm tibia , will hardly have bad outcomes with a good doctor .
Things can happen because its life , but this was my point .
People still to this day go to betz ( who is 70yo +) and do 10cm ..is it that LL it's not safe or that they are stupid ?

By no mean go and do it for bo reason , but I believe that if u follow those steps , you will eventually trade some athletic ability but you will be x10 times happier which to me , it's worth the trade .
Basketball players will have later in life joints problems ,same with soccer players of NFL players who had brain problems etc.
There is always a trade off in this life ,but if you do it for the right reasons , that trade off might be very worth it .

Ok, you just can't get out of some dogmatic wishful thinking. It's a pitty because you won't learn or contribute much here if you stick too much to that.
Yes, there were crippled persons with top doctors, for example "Unicorn" with Dr. Guichet (altough some people prefer to blame her).
Yes there was at least a death with Dr. Paley (thrombosis).
And 99% of LLers I suppose don't use this forum to know more about.
It seems to me you're imprisoned in wishful thinking. It's simply not true unfortunately that those 20/30 old with 6 cm extension in both segments are almost always ok. And just to remind, I will probably do LL. It's true that we can minimise risks to a certain extent (eg an experienced and ethical doctor) and you are right that there are tradeoffs and some of us may be happier being taller albeit with lower performance, so we should be more realistic to be able to plan ideally our LL process and to be tottally prepared for the possible outcomes.