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Female height
« on: January 16, 2022, 09:17:02 PM »

I’ve been having trouble about my height since I was a little child. However, right now I like to think that most of it is in the past. I would like to clarify that currently I’m 16 and 5’4. Hopefully and probably I’ll be 5’5. Sometimes I wonder if I’m too short to be average pretty, mainly because my brother (who unfortunately is 6’3-4) is making fun of me because of my height, making jokes about me being shorter than my mom, but I don’t see so much difference, since she’s 166 cm tall. I hate the way he laughs right in front of me, however I’m trying not to get upset.

I would also like to say that women don’t really care about height, as an example, my sister is definitely one of the prettiest women I’ve seen (167 cm) and she loves short men. I promise being a short guy won’t make you less attractive. Be safe y’all. Xoxo
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2022, 09:18:54 PM »

I’ve been having trouble about my height since I was a little child. However, right now I like to think that most of it is in the past. I would like to clarify that currently I’m 16 and 5’4. Hopefully and probably I’ll be 5’5. Sometimes I wonder if I’m too short to be average pretty, mainly because my brother (who unfortunately is 6’3-4) is making fun of me because of my height, making jokes about me being shorter than my mom, but I don’t see so much difference, since she’s 166 cm tall. I hate the way he laughs right in front of me, however I’m trying not to get upset.

I would also like to say that women don’t really care about height, as an example, my sister is definitely one of the prettiest women I’ve seen (167 cm) and she loves short men. I promise being a short guy won’t make you less attractive. Be safe y’all. Xoxo

Sorry I'm confused. Are you boy or girl? 5'4 is average height for American female.
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2022, 09:19:43 PM »

I’m a girll
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2022, 09:21:08 PM »

I’m a girll

You're not short at all
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2022, 02:05:42 AM »

Your brother is teasing and doesn’t actually mean any harm. You’re perfectly average height for an adult woman and will likely grow another inch or so if CDC growth charts are to be believed.

As for male height mattering, it does matter fit attractiveness. However, it’s not the most important trait, as face, hair, frame, race, etc. matter more. And there are some women who legitimately don’t care at all.
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2022, 02:08:49 AM »

I’ve been having trouble about my height since I was a little child. However, right now I like to think that most of it is in the past. I would like to clarify that currently I’m 16 and 5’4. Hopefully and probably I’ll be 5’5. Sometimes I wonder if I’m too short to be average pretty, mainly because my brother (who unfortunately is 6’3-4) is making fun of me because of my height, making jokes about me being shorter than my mom, but I don’t see so much difference, since she’s 166 cm tall. I hate the way he laughs right in front of me, however I’m trying not to get upset.

I would also like to say that women don’t really care about height, as an example, my sister is definitely one of the prettiest women I’ve seen (167 cm) and she loves short men. I promise being a short guy won’t make you less attractive. Be safe y’all. Xoxo
The problem is your brother being too tall not you being too short. 5'4 is not short at all according to the America's newest data about average height and you just reach the average line.
Doing LL won't necessarily cease your brother's making fun of you. Maybe after he knows that you do this surgery he will still poke funs at you in addition to the fact that you do such so-called riskful surgery just to avoid his teasing.
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Re: Female height
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2022, 02:15:04 AM »

I don't know if this is a troll post. 5'4 is completely acceptable for a girl.
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2022, 02:22:22 AM »

Have you ever told your brother to stop laughing at your height? Since you feel short mainly because of him, you will probably feel a lot better if he changes his attitude.
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Re: Female height
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2022, 08:21:58 PM »

I’m 16 and 5’4. Hopefully and probably I’ll be 5’5.
I don't know where you live, but 5'4" is average in many places for girls and to be honest, it doesn't matter anyway.
About your brother, you should speak to your parents, that's a very bad behavior from his side.
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2022, 12:00:57 AM »

I don't know where you live, but 5'4" is average in many places for girls and to be honest, it doesn't matter anyway.
About your brother, you should speak to your parents, that's a very bad behavior from his side.

My mother is 90-95% of the reason I’m getting the surgery, so I can understand her position.
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2022, 03:34:17 AM »

My mother is 90-95% of the reason I’m getting the surgery, so I can understand her position.

Did she bully you for being short?
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2022, 09:09:33 AM »

My mother is 90-95% of the reason I’m getting the surgery, so I can understand her position.
seriously? sounds terrible, you are not even that short
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2022, 10:16:40 AM »

My mother is 90-95% of the reason I’m getting the surgery, so I can understand her position.
Sorry I can't understand this sentence. Do you mean your mother is teasing/bullying you bc of your height?
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2022, 01:47:12 PM »

seriously? sounds terrible, you are not even that short

I agree. Just curious, below what height would you consider "that short?"
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2022, 04:19:18 PM »

Sorry I can't understand this sentence. Do you mean your mother is teasing/bullying you bc of your height?

Her intent wasn't malicious, but inadvertently, yes. Growing up, I was projected to be about 6'1-6'3, so my mother would openly talk about how happy she is that I was going to be tall, especially taller than my dad (who was 6'0, and my mom felt she "compromised" when it came to height there). She would also talk about how she'd never date short men, how men around 5'6-5'7 were undesirable or unmanly, talk disgusted about men that height, etc. She told me how women universally dislike short men, how they wouldn't date them regardless of how nice and successful they are, etc. I developed a deep sadness and sympathy towards shorter men, but I was determined that I would never end up there myself.  To her, the ideal height is 6'2-6'3, which she made clear to me in childhood; thus, height became an issue of crucial, massive importance to me, and I started doing everything I could to meet or exceed my projected adult height. The thought that I might only reach 6'0 became scary and concerning to me. Thus, when I reached the age of 5'5 to 5'6 at the age of 12, shooting up above almost all of my male classmates in middle-school, I was ecstatic, since I knew I'd make it to that magical 6'3 mark or higher. Unfortunately, the radically unexpected happened, and I seemed to just stop growing out of nowhere. I asked my mother what was happening, and she said there was no problem, that I'd keep growing; my father said the same thing. I became panicked, pestering them to please let me see a specialist as I needed to be tall, but they never listened. Eventually, I figured I'd just listen to and trust them, putting my fears aside until 17-18, when I became anxious at the fact I still wasn't growing. So, they took me into an endocrinologist, measured my height at 5'7, took a look at my growth plates, and confirmed the fact that my height growth was over. The problem they diagnosed me with was precocious/early puberty, a condition that happens in about 0.02% of all adolescents where puberty happens far too early and stunts adult height between about 6-8 inches.

When the news came, I became violently angry and smashed my mother's windshield. She kept trying to reassure me over a span of months to years that there was nothing wrong with my height, that I was fine, etc. but I knew this was an obvious lie, since she always told me differently growing up. My dad, on the other hand, couldn't even comprehend what I was feeling. Eventually, however, I discovered LL, and my hope for life was completely renewed. Since then, I've dedicated myself to a bare minimum height of 6'1 and the dream height of 6'3.

My parents still try to dissuade me from time to time, especially my mother, but occasionally she still shows her true colors. One time when my parents were visiting my apartment, she was talking about Tom Cruise, saying she'd never date him since he's far too short--expressing massive disgust at the very prospect. I kept my tongue, quietly looking up his height and finding he was 0.75" taller than me at 5'7.75". When I voiced this, I thought she'd get my point, but she simply stayed quiet and never retracted her words. After that, it became clear to me that I would never be satisfied with the height I'm at: I needed to be 6" taller at the minimum. Since then, I've added about 0.5" from posture and stretching exercises so that I can get much closer to that 6'2-6'3 mark after LL.

Anyways, that's my story. My only concern is that my athletic performance is also absolutely and completely paramount: I won't just be satisfied with full recovery of my athleticism post LL; on the contrary, I need to continue to get bigger, faster, and stronger even years after my surgery. Both my goals of immense strength/speed and height are mandatory, and I won't settle for one or the other.
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Re: Female height
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2022, 08:36:11 PM »

Women will tell you how they really feel if they think you won't judge them. That is how she really feels about short men. That they are disgusting and beneath her. My experiences mirror yours ReadRothbard.

I've been relatively successful with women and my life but I really feel that this surgery will only improve things. Like you Roth, I had (stunted growth) hypothyroidism at age 14 and I always wondered if that affected my final adult height.
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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2022, 08:48:59 PM »

womens height is also very inportant
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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2022, 10:00:04 PM »

Her intent wasn't malicious, but inadvertently, yes. Growing up, I was projected to be about 6'1-6'3, so my mother would openly talk about how happy she is that I was going to be tall, especially taller than my dad (who was 6'0, and my mom felt she "compromised" when it came to height there). She would also talk about how she'd never date short men, how men around 5'6-5'7 were undesirable or unmanly, talk disgusted about men that height, etc. She told me how women universally dislike short men, how they wouldn't date them regardless of how nice and successful they are, etc. I developed a deep sadness and sympathy towards shorter men, but I was determined that I would never end up there myself.  To her, the ideal height is 6'2-6'3, which she made clear to me in childhood; thus, height became an issue of crucial, massive importance to me, and I started doing everything I could to meet or exceed my projected adult height. The thought that I might only reach 6'0 became scary and concerning to me. Thus, when I reached the age of 5'5 to 5'6 at the age of 12, shooting up above almost all of my male classmates in middle-school, I was ecstatic, since I knew I'd make it to that magical 6'3 mark or higher. Unfortunately, the radically unexpected happened, and I seemed to just stop growing out of nowhere. I asked my mother what was happening, and she said there was no problem, that I'd keep growing; my father said the same thing. I became panicked, pestering them to please let me see a specialist as I needed to be tall, but they never listened. Eventually, I figured I'd just listen to and trust them, putting my fears aside until 17-18, when I became anxious at the fact I still wasn't growing. So, they took me into an endocrinologist, measured my height at 5'7, took a look at my growth plates, and confirmed the fact that my height growth was over. The problem they diagnosed me with was precocious/early puberty, a condition that happens in about 0.02% of all adolescents where puberty happens far too early and stunts adult height between about 6-8 inches.

When the news came, I became violently angry and smashed my mother's windshield. She kept trying to reassure me over a span of months to years that there was nothing wrong with my height, that I was fine, etc. but I knew this was an obvious lie, since she always told me differently growing up. My dad, on the other hand, couldn't even comprehend what I was feeling. Eventually, however, I discovered LL, and my hope for life was completely renewed. Since then, I've dedicated myself to a bare minimum height of 6'1 and the dream height of 6'3.

My parents still try to dissuade me from time to time, especially my mother, but occasionally she still shows her true colors. One time when my parents were visiting my apartment, she was talking about Tom Cruise, saying she'd never date him since he's far too short--expressing massive disgust at the very prospect. I kept my tongue, quietly looking up his height and finding he was 0.75" taller than me at 5'7.75". When I voiced this, I thought she'd get my point, but she simply stayed quiet and never retracted her words. After that, it became clear to me that I would never be satisfied with the height I'm at: I needed to be 6" taller at the minimum. Since then, I've added about 0.5" from posture and stretching exercises so that I can get much closer to that 6'2-6'3 mark after LL.

Anyways, that's my story. My only concern is that my athletic performance is also absolutely and completely paramount: I won't just be satisfied with full recovery of my athleticism post LL; on the contrary, I need to continue to get bigger, faster, and stronger even years after my surgery. Both my goals of immense strength/speed and height are mandatory, and I won't settle for one or the other.

Curious to know with your growth stunting effected your wingspan as you don't have it listed in your stats. You have the sitting height of a guy about 6'2 so would be interested to know if you also have a wingspan over 188cm.
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2022, 01:48:48 AM »

My wingspan is about 177 cm, so nothing crazy.
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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2022, 02:13:28 AM »

My wingspan is about 177 cm, so nothing crazy.

Is there any chance you are just short because of parents or grandparents or did your condition also stunt you arm bone growth?
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« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2022, 03:10:27 AM »

Is there any chance you are just short because of parents or grandparents or did your condition also stunt you arm bone growth?

I don’t have any short relatives, so that’s unlikely. Besides, I was also diagnosed with this thing.

As far as I can tell from my reading, precocious puberty stunts growth of the extremities but not the torso and other bones.
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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2022, 03:36:40 AM »

I don’t have any short relatives, so that’s unlikely. Besides, I was also diagnosed with this thing.

As far as I can tell from my reading, precocious puberty stunts growth of the extremities but not the torso and other bones.

Interesting, how do they diagnose precocious puberty? If you would have gotten treatment when you first noticed at 13 or 14 would that have made much difference to your current height?
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« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2022, 03:37:31 AM »

Her intent wasn't malicious, but inadvertently, yes. Growing up, I was projected to be about 6'1-6'3, so my mother would openly talk about how happy she is that I was going to be tall, especially taller than my dad (who was 6'0, and my mom felt she "compromised" when it came to height there). She would also talk about how she'd never date short men, how men around 5'6-5'7 were undesirable or unmanly, talk disgusted about men that height, etc. She told me how women universally dislike short men, how they wouldn't date them regardless of how nice and successful they are, etc. I developed a deep sadness and sympathy towards shorter men, but I was determined that I would never end up there myself.  To her, the ideal height is 6'2-6'3, which she made clear to me in childhood; thus, height became an issue of crucial, massive importance to me, and I started doing everything I could to meet or exceed my projected adult height. The thought that I might only reach 6'0 became scary and concerning to me. Thus, when I reached the age of 5'5 to 5'6 at the age of 12, shooting up above almost all of my male classmates in middle-school, I was ecstatic, since I knew I'd make it to that magical 6'3 mark or higher. Unfortunately, the radically unexpected happened, and I seemed to just stop growing out of nowhere. I asked my mother what was happening, and she said there was no problem, that I'd keep growing; my father said the same thing. I became panicked, pestering them to please let me see a specialist as I needed to be tall, but they never listened. Eventually, I figured I'd just listen to and trust them, putting my fears aside until 17-18, when I became anxious at the fact I still wasn't growing. So, they took me into an endocrinologist, measured my height at 5'7, took a look at my growth plates, and confirmed the fact that my height growth was over. The problem they diagnosed me with was precocious/early puberty, a condition that happens in about 0.02% of all adolescents where puberty happens far too early and stunts adult height between about 6-8 inches.

When the news came, I became violently angry and smashed my mother's windshield. She kept trying to reassure me over a span of months to years that there was nothing wrong with my height, that I was fine, etc. but I knew this was an obvious lie, since she always told me differently growing up. My dad, on the other hand, couldn't even comprehend what I was feeling. Eventually, however, I discovered LL, and my hope for life was completely renewed. Since then, I've dedicated myself to a bare minimum height of 6'1 and the dream height of 6'3.

My parents still try to dissuade me from time to time, especially my mother, but occasionally she still shows her true colors. One time when my parents were visiting my apartment, she was talking about Tom Cruise, saying she'd never date him since he's far too short--expressing massive disgust at the very prospect. I kept my tongue, quietly looking up his height and finding he was 0.75" taller than me at 5'7.75". When I voiced this, I thought she'd get my point, but she simply stayed quiet and never retracted her words. After that, it became clear to me that I would never be satisfied with the height I'm at: I needed to be 6" taller at the minimum. Since then, I've added about 0.5" from posture and stretching exercises so that I can get much closer to that 6'2-6'3 mark after LL.

Anyways, that's my story. My only concern is that my athletic performance is also absolutely and completely paramount: I won't just be satisfied with full recovery of my athleticism post LL; on the contrary, I need to continue to get bigger, faster, and stronger even years after my surgery. Both my goals of immense strength/speed and height are mandatory, and I won't settle for one or the other.
Jesus... If you don't mind to comment on your mother like that, I still gotta say your mother is totally a maniac about heightism... Too crazy and un-fking-believable... I never saw any mother imposing her thoughts that weird into her child even in the childhood.. That could've been called mental abuse mate. Even in China I never heard of that horrible story.
Forget her. I wonder why you suffered from precocious puberty. AFIK precocious puberty is a genetic disease out of individual's control so I am very sorry to hear that. And.. yeah, I gotta admit it that LL can reduce the burdens onto your mind to a great extent. But you can't get taller up to anything like 6'2-6'3.. That is impossible unless we are talking about Paley's Option 3, the Option that I am also planning on for I am being too short so it will be inevitable.
But prior to doing LL I suggest you to go for a shrink and it is not a satire.. Since you have suffered from mental abuse in the childhood, shrinks may help you on this and you should talk with him/her about your mom and she is really pathetic to teach extreme views of man's value to you and for sure they may have been ingrained in your mind that you are overemphasizing man's height than normal but I am not a psychologist so I can't help you just by texting sorry.
But we have something in common that our moms are also dissuding us from emphasizing heights although my mom has ever called my gf who is around 140cm tall 'disabled' and that's why I am also thinking she is foxing me and even herself and her true colors were revealed at that moment.
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« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2022, 04:25:37 AM »

It is what it is, and there’s no point in wasting thought on what happened; yes, if they intervened early enough, I’d likely be over 6’, but now it’s time to think about are solutions, not what could’ve been. And my solutions are this: external tibias with either Dr. Catagni or Dr. Solomin for 7.5 cm. After that, I spend a couple years fully recovering my athleticism and getting strong than I was pre-op. Then, if I’m still bothered by things, I’ll fly over to Germany and do 8 cm on my femurs with Dr. Betz. That’ll put me well over 6’1 and close to 6’2. If I notice my arms are too short for deadlifts, then I’ll do 5 cm of arm lengthening per segment on either my forearms or humerus. However, this is all too early to tell: rn, I’ll focus on my ACL surgery, then I’ll do my external tibias later this year or next year if I think I can handle it.
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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2022, 10:15:18 AM »

.One time when my parents were visiting my apartment, she was talking about Tom Cruise, saying she'd never date him since he's far too short--expressing massive disgust at the very prospect. I kept my tongue, quietly looking up his height and finding he was 0.75" taller than me at 5'7.75". When I voiced this, I thought she'd get my point, but she simply stayed quiet and never retracted her words.
I hate to badmouth other people, especially about others parents, but your mother sounds like a horrible person. Ridiculous what your mother says about Tom Cruise. As long as she's not an A celebrity model, he wouldn't give her a second of his time. How tall is your mum btw?

As the other user said: Before doing anything with LL I would highly advise you to see a good psychotherapist.
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« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2022, 03:15:40 PM »

I hate to badmouth other people, especially about others parents, but your mother sounds like a horrible person. Ridiculous what your mother says about Tom Cruise. As long as she's not an A celebrity model, he wouldn't give her a second of his time. How tall is your mum btw?

As the other user said: Before doing anything with LL I would highly advise you to see a good psychotherapist.

My mom is 5'6. However, she's in her mid 50s, so she might've been 5'6.5" or so when she was young.
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« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2022, 03:27:57 PM »

He knows that I’m sensitive about that matter, but I guess he feels nice over me feeling bad (?). My parents are aware of what he does, and they also know that I have had issues with my height. My mom once offered me support about ll, cause she could not make me feel better about my height dysphoria, which has been already diagnosed.
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« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2022, 03:28:54 PM »

I don’t get it, you’re mad at me?
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« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2022, 03:34:03 PM »

I don’t get it, you’re mad at me?

I don't understand why he's doing it. Does he have some insecurity he's trying to cover for? Is he mad at you about something?
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Re: Female height
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2022, 04:03:12 PM »

I don’t feel offended at all, but that ideia sounds a bit ridiculous to me.
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« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2022, 04:31:31 PM »

The statement up here of women under 170 cm are short it's not completely crazy .
The difference between male n females stands in a 10 cm difference according to my personal experience, meaning that a 180cm guy is like a 170 cm girl .
Some crazy ones says its 15cm or 20 cm meaning that a 190cm guy compares to a 170 cm girl which is ridiculous to even hear n they bring up stats made on (!?) .
So under 180cm for guys and 170cm for girls , It can be seen as going on the short side of the spectrum .
I'm 5'9 n I feel short , a 165 cm girl might be considered average but can feel short as well because on the paper its avarage but in reality we see a lot of tall girls n boys.
The difference tho does not stand In his /her statement of girls under 170cm are short , but in the fact that being a short girl might not be a flaw (A LOT ..not me..but a lot of men likes short girls compared to tall ones) while being short or average (in some places) for a guy might be perceived and therefore treated by society as a big flaw ;that is a HUGE difference .


The following statement of girls under 170cm should not have kids is the reason why the off topic section should be deleted; he clearly lacks of any kind of rationality .

Objectively speaking, you add about 14.5 cm to the woman's height to find her equivalent male percentile.
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172 cm in the morning (67.8"); 170 cm (67”) at night; Sitting Height: 96 cm (37.8”); Goal: 184.5 cm (6'0.7"); Ultimate Goal: 192 cm (6’3.5) morning height, 190 cm (6’3) “night” height
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