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[RealLostSoul]

Congrats to yourself Taller90! Wow, you've done almost the same length I me! Do I remember correctly that you also had duck ass? Do you still have it? How severe is it if so? How has your progress with strength and stamina been after you stopped using the crutches? I still feel like I am a walking in a pool of water, so I do need strength to walk and that does make me quicker tired and limits how far I can walk.

How are you experiencing your new height? Even though I am also probably missing 1-2 cm my life has already changed, I don't feel small anymore. Hung out with a friend today who is 180cm, and I feel basically the same height as him. But it is still such strange and awesome sensation feeling the same height as him and being able to look him straight into his eyes.

Here is a photo of me earlier this week with my physiotherapist who is 180cm tall!

https://freeimage.host/i/HHF9EWg

Wow you look incredible man. Your tibiae are longer than those of your PT, your legs look so much better, how is this possible with that amount of lengthening :O.
Do you know if you had very long lower legs for your height and proportions before LL? Do you know your femur/tibia ratio?

[Taller90]

Congrats to yourself Taller90! Wow, you've done almost the same length I me! Do I remember correctly that you also had duck ass? Do you still have it? How severe is it if so? How has your progress with strength and stamina been after you stopped using the crutches? I still feel like I am a walking in a pool of water, so I do need strength to walk and that does make me quicker tired and limits how far I can walk.

How are you experiencing your new height? Even though I am also probably missing 1-2 cm my life has already changed, I don't feel small anymore. Hung out with a friend today who is 180cm, and I feel basically the same height as him. But it is still such strange and awesome sensation feeling the same height as him and being able to look him straight into his eyes.

Here is a photo of me earlier this week with my physiotherapist who is 180cm tall!

https://freeimage.host/i/HHF9EWg

Thanks Stand Taller! Indeed, I had a bad duck ass, suffering from it since 3-4 cm. It was very hard to walk longer distances due to the pain in the lower back. However after clicking it got very much better in a two step approach. The first step was during the first 10 days after clicking and after that it got better but in smaller steps only. The second big step came 5-10 days ago (2,5 months post clicking) since when I am missing any pain in the lower back, so that I can walk very easy also for long distances without crutches  

Your feelings regarding strength and stamina are normal. I am now almost a month without crutches and I was limited as well at the beginning. I think it took me 2 weeks before I tried to do upstairs without crutches and a couple of days later I lost any lower back pain at all. This was 5-10 days ago, so that I am now able to walk almost as much as I want  Again it is till not perfect but I am progressing every day and you will do it as well as long as you practice enough . I assume your feeling comes from a poor gluteus (which is normal afters this surgery...) but this will get stronger with every meter you are walking without crutches. My Physio told me that a strong gluteus (and strong stomach muscles (Sixpack)) help you to reduce your duck ass as well as they can pull the hip back to their normal position.  Try to get them stronger, maybe it helps.

Please don't get me wrong but honestly, I had not really a height neurosis, feeling desperate to be "smaller" than others or so. Of course I was it but I think I have been compensating it to a large extend with my self-confidence. I have done it in the first instance to get the most out of my body and life etc. However, I must agree that the new height is a great feeling!!!  The most people here are about 175-180cm  and I have now the feeling to be on the same eye-level as well. This is an incredible feeling - strange, indeed, but very cool 

[Stand taller]

Wow you look incredible man. Your tibiae are longer than those of your PT, your legs look so much better, how is this possible with that amount of lengthening :O.
Do you know if you had very long lower legs for your height and proportions before LL? Do you know your femur/tibia ratio?

Wow! I didn't even notice that, but you are right! My torso may seem shorter than my PT though, but in reality I think they are pretty much the same. I always used small or even XS in clothes before, but when I put on those same clothes they seem to short. I think I wore those sizes because I didn't want longer clothes than necessary because of my short legs. But now with longer legs I think it would look more normal and natural for me to wear medium. So if I wore a medium sweater I think our torsos would look pretty much the same.

I don't have any exact measurements, but I did have very short femurs before. An example of this is while sitting next to a friend who is 178cm, out sitting height would be the same, and our knee height would be the same. This means that where I was lacking in length really was in my femurs. This is also why I could lengthen them as much as 11,5cm without my proportions being strange. And actually as you can see in the photo I have much better proportions now than before.

[Stand taller]

Thanks Stand Taller! Indeed, I had a bad duck ass, suffering from it since 3-4 cm. It was very hard to walk longer distances due to the pain in the lower back. However after clicking it got very much better in a two step approach. The first step was during the first 10 days after clicking and after that it got better but in smaller steps only. The second big step came 5-10 days ago (2,5 months post clicking) since when I am missing any pain in the lower back, so that I can walk very easy also for long distances without crutches  

Your feelings regarding strength and stamina are normal. I am now almost a month without crutches and I was limited as well at the beginning. I think it took me 2 weeks before I tried to do upstairs without crutches and a couple of days later I lost any lower back pain at all. This was 5-10 days ago, so that I am now able to walk almost as much as I want  Again it is till not perfect but I am progressing every day and you will do it as well as long as you practice enough . I assume your feeling comes from a poor gluteus (which is normal afters this surgery...) but this will get stronger with every meter you are walking without crutches. My Physio told me that a strong gluteus (and strong stomach muscles (Sixpack)) help you to reduce your duck ass as well as they can pull the hip back to their normal position.  Try to get them stronger, maybe it helps.

Please don't get me wrong but honestly, I had not really a height neurosis, feeling desperate to be "smaller" than others or so. Of course I was it but I think I have been compensating it to a large extend with my self-confidence. I have done it in the first instance to get the most out of my body and life etc. However, I must agree that the new height is a great feeling!!!  The most people here are about 175-180cm  and I have now the feeling to be on the same eye-level as well. This is an incredible feeling - strange, indeed, but very cool 

I also feel now that I don't have much or any pain in my lower back while walking, so I can now do normal shopping and walking around without lower back pain. I think this will also just improve more and more as time goes by.

Yeah, my PT has also told me that strong glutes and belly muscles will help against duck ass. So I do exercises daily. I live two flights of stairs up, so actually was able to walk up stairs without crutches a while back, and then down (I found walking down harder than walking up) shortly after that.

I totally understand what you mean, because I honestly didn't feel I had much or any height neurosis - or even any complex about my height. Honestly I feel I have tried to take as much of a logical and reasonable approach towards this whole thing. I feel I am a very confident and well spoken person, I dress nicely and I look reasonable handsome. I have had several long term relationships with very pretty women, all of them taller than me. My last girlfriend was 173cm tall, and It really never bothered me or her. I am also quite successful (as most here who can afford these surgeries) and have a sizable social media following.

So from a "stats" perspective I feel I have many boxes ticked off. I also have an enormous work capacity and I have worked my ass off for years to get here! For the most part I am happy with myself and my life. But with being said, I do know about the countless studies that show what a disadvantage being a short man is. I was 165cm tall in a nordic country, and that is very short. Studies show that short men will make less for the same amount of work, short men will have a harder time being promoted, shorter men earn less respect, shorter men are taken less seriously and woman find shorter men less attractive.

For me it was simple and logical. Knowing what I know, why would I want to live the rest of my life at a disadvantage? Knowing what I know, why would I want to work harder and get less success, less respect and less payment for the same amount of work as my piers? Knowing what i know, why would I not want to level the playing field if possbile. So that is pretty much the biggest reason I did what I did, so I could play on the same level as the rest of society. I no longer have a disadvantage in the work place, I no longer have a disadvantage at a social gathering and I no longer have a disadvantage with women.

There is a famous study that show women will reject men 85% of the time if you are 165cm tall. The same study shows the rejection rate is only 15% when you are 178cm tall. For my whole adult life I have gotten countless of compliments from women about my looks, heck I've had drop dead gorgeous women come up to me and say things like "you're hot" or "I am gonna marry you". I am not saying this to brag or tut my own horn, but to be real and honest. Almost none of those encounters with women even got me a date. For a long time this really fked with my head. How can I keep hearing these nice words from women so many times, but at the same time not getting much success? How can drop dead gorgeous women slide into my DMs, ask me out and when they meet me things change up completely? For years I could not make any sense of any of this.....



... until I one day became self-conscious about my height, then it all made sense. It doesn't matter how good looking you are if you are short, well to most women. I have a had success with women, don't get me wrong. But the amount of women I had to meet to so I could meet that one girl who didn't care about height was always very hard work. Again, I not trying to brag - and if I am coming across that way I do apologize. I understand I was, or am lucky. Short and good looking is not as bad as short and average, or even short and below average. But I do genuinely believe that if you are average looking and average height you will have good success with women - more so than short and good looking.

At the end of the day, there are many reasons for me doing this. But in general it has been to make life easier in as many ways as possible.

I'll end on a different note, to put what I am saying into a different perspective. A few years back I looked at buying a Range Rover, the big one. Loved the car, and really wanted one. But there was one issues, an issues I encountered many times in large cars. And that was the seat cushion being to long for my short femurs, and I could not if my life depended on it sit comfortably because my femurs where too short. In other words I was literally too short for a Range Rover. When the new one came to dealers this summer, I knew I was gonna love it! But the big questions was, would I now fit better? And yes, the answer is YES! I have no problems and my femurs are now more than long enough for the long cushion of the new Range Rover. It may sound like a small and trivial thing, but for me it is another huge improvement in life quality.

[Infinite]

I also feel now that I don't have much or any pain in my lower back while walking, so I can now do normal shopping and walking around without lower back pain. I think this will also just improve more and more as time goes by.

Yeah, my PT has also told me that strong glutes and belly muscles will help against duck ass. So I do exercises daily. I live two flights of stairs up, so actually was able to walk up stairs without crutches a while back, and then down (I found walking down harder than walking up) shortly after that.

I totally understand what you mean, because I honestly didn't feel I had much or any height neurosis - or even any complex about my height. Honestly I feel I have tried to take as much of a logical and reasonable approach towards this whole thing. I feel I am a very confident and well spoken person, I dress nicely and I look reasonable handsome. I have had several long term relationships with very pretty women, all of them taller than me. My last girlfriend was 173cm tall, and It really never bothered me or her. I am also quite successful (as most here who can afford these surgeries) and have a sizable social media following.

So from a "stats" perspective I feel I have many boxes ticked off. I also have an enormous work capacity and I have worked my ass off for years to get here! For the most part I am happy with myself and my life. But with being said, I do know about the countless studies that show what a disadvantage being a short man is. I was 165cm tall in a nordic country, and that is very short. Studies show that short men will make less for the same amount of work, short men will have a harder time being promoted, shorter men earn less respect, shorter men are taken less seriously and woman find shorter men less attractive.

For me it was simple and logical. Knowing what I know, why would I want to live the rest of my life at a disadvantage? Knowing what I know, why would I want to work harder and get less success, less respect and less payment for the same amount of work as my piers? Knowing what i know, why would I not want to level the playing field if possbile. So that is pretty much the biggest reason I did what I did, so I could play on the same level as the rest of society. I no longer have a disadvantage in the work place, I no longer have a disadvantage at a social gathering and I no longer have a disadvantage with women.

There is a famous study that show women will reject men 85% of the time if you are 165cm tall. The same study shows the rejection rate is only 15% when you are 178cm tall. For my whole adult life I have gotten countless of compliments from women about my looks, heck I've had drop dead gorgeous women come up to me and say things like "you're hot" or "I am gonna marry you". I am not saying this to brag or tut my own horn, but to be real and honest. Almost none of those encounters with women even got me a date. For a long time this really fked with my head. How can I keep hearing these nice words from women so many times, but at the same time not getting much success? How can drop dead gorgeous women slide into my DMs, ask me out and when they meet me things change up completely? For years I could not make any sense of any of this.....



... until I one day became self-conscious about my height, then it all made sense. It doesn't matter how good looking you are if you are short, well to most women. I have a had success with women, don't get me wrong. But the amount of women I had to meet to so I could meet that one girl who didn't care about height was always very hard work. Again, I not trying to brag - and if I am coming across that way I do apologize. I understand I was, or am lucky. Short and good looking is not as bad as short and average, or even short and below average. But I do genuinely believe that if you are average looking and average height you will have good success with women - more so than short and good looking.

At the end of the day, there are many reasons for me doing this. But in general it has been to make life easier in as many ways as possible.

I'll end on a different note, to put what I am saying into a different perspective. A few years back I looked at buying a Range Rover, the big one. Loved the car, and really wanted one. But there was one issues, an issues I encountered many times in large cars. And that was the seat cushion being to long for my short femurs, and I could not if my life depended on it sit comfortably because my femurs where too short. In other words I was literally too short for a Range Rover. When the new one came to dealers this summer, I knew I was gonna love it! But the big questions was, would I now fit better? And yes, the answer is YES! I have no problems and my femurs are now more than long enough for the long cushion of the new Range Rover. It may sound like a small and trivial thing, but for me it is another huge improvement in life quality.

Hi Stand Taller,
I've read it from start to finish over and over, I couldn't stop reading.
You mentioned so many situations that I could identify with.

Thank you very much for it!

[Fireworks196]

Hello Stand Taller, your diary and your progress so far have been incredible, also having achieved those 12 cm in just one segment, admirable. Tell me, how are you doing so far in terms of your bone recovery, your athletic ability...etc?

and one last question, is it true that betz allows his patients to lengthen between 8 and 9 inches?

[Stand taller]

Hi Stand Taller,
I've read it from start to finish over and over, I couldn't stop reading.
You mentioned so many situations that I could identify with.

Thank you very much for it!

I am glad you appreciated what i wrote. My diary may be a little different to others because I am trying as good as possbile to convey my feelings, before and after. We can talk about as many technical things a possbile, but at the end of the say we are all left alone with our feelings and how we feel.

[Stand taller]

Hello Stand Taller, your diary and your progress so far have been incredible, also having achieved those 12 cm in just one segment, admirable. Tell me, how are you doing so far in terms of your bone recovery, your athletic ability...etc?

and one last question, is it true that betz allows his patients to lengthen between 8 and 9 inches?

I took X-rays about two months ago, and will take new one in about a month. My last X-rays where good, with good bone healing. But because of my extreme lengthening I will have much longer bone recovery than most. I just stopped using crutches 6 das ago, so walking is still hard and tiresome without them. I am also a little stiff in my walk, and I have a slight limp in my left leg because of more stiffness in that leg. But I am seeing improvements everyday though.

Yesterday was the first time since before more surgery I did some shopping at the grocery store without even a shopping cart, 100% free-walking - and I was fine.

The Bezt bone is only capable of extending 12cm if I am not mistaken. With an initial gap of 0,6mm (like a had) plus the maximum of the bone, you cannot in theory gain more than 12,6cm. So 8-9 inches in one segment is impossible, but on two segments. Doing femurs, recovering and then doing tibias a year after recovery of femurs is totally possible. So if you did want to, had the money, the time and the will you could do 8-9 inches.

For me I had a goal of 177cm, so going 11,5cm was my original goal. Betz however was more conservative (which is a good thing) and wrote down 10cm in the papers i signed. He then said that based on my X-rays and the actual surgery he would be able to determine more precisely my limit. This has to do with your bone structure and also how and where he was able to physically place the Betz bone into my femurs. It was not before after surgery he was sure about my maximum height.

After surgery he told me that it all went fine ,and that I would be able to reach 11cm if everything goes well during my lengthening process. This meant if my body would cope with it fine, like muscles, pain, nerves and bone healing. I was then told if everything looked fine at 11cm I would be able to go the last 0,5cm. At around 10,5cm I reached out to Dr Becker (who had been my primary contact, I actually haven't had much contact with Dr Betz) because I was getting sick at tired about the whole lengthening process and I just wanted to start recovering. I was very stiff at this point and also was plagued by my bad duck ass. But Dr Becker said that everything else is fine and even though the last CM might mean an extra month or even two of recovery and if I feel I could take that, it would be worth it. And yes recovery has been long and hard, but I am REALLY glad I am 177cm tall, and not 176cm tall.

Before surgery I had this idea of becoming 180cm tall, or maybe even taller. I went into this surgery kind of like, let's do this and if everything is fine I'll do a second surgery later on to become 180cm +. The thing is, when you are 165cm tall is a country where the average male is around 179 - 180cm tall you are smaller than most and you are not used to looking anybody into their eyes. You actually HAVE NO IDEA what it feels like to look most other men into their eyes. You only have your lower perspective and in that sense height is just a number for you, a goal, a length your really can't relate to. In the same way taller people can't relate to being well below average, us short men CAN'T relate to being average.

Once I hit 177cm tall and started walking around with crutches and now without them all my desire to become any taller has disappeared completely. Yes, I may be 2 - 3 cm below average - but I can tell you that most people won't even notice or care. Heck I don't notice, and I feel the same height as people who are 180cm tall because I now look them straight into their eyes. That is for me what makes the whole difference, look other men that you think look tall (because your whole life they where tall from your perspective) are now the same height. Again, look at the photo of me and my physiotherapist, he is 180cm tall - but do you think you would really notice that if you met us casually and I didn't ask you to gauge our heights? 

https://freeimage.host/i/141122seonsored.HHF9EWg

So I am done, I don't need any more surgery! I don't feel small anymore, well because I'm not - I am basically average which is good enough for me.

I was lucky because both my seating height and knee height was the same as friends between 178-180cm tall which meant my femurs where short. So lengthening my femurs meant my proportions would be normal. But my wingspan is only 173cm, so I do have slightly shorter arms than average for my height. So in reality if you care about proportions I really shouldn't lengthen much more, do I care about my shorter than average wingspan? No, doesn't affect me at all. But maybe if I did lengthen 2 - 3cm more I would notice it? Who knows and who cares right? As said I am done, and I feel I have very good proportions over all now.

[Taller90]

I also feel now that I don't have much or any pain in my lower back while walking, so I can now do normal shopping and walking around without lower back pain. I think this will also just improve more and more as time goes by.

Yeah, my PT has also told me that strong glutes and belly muscles will help against duck ass. So I do exercises daily. I live two flights of stairs up, so actually was able to walk up stairs without crutches a while back, and then down (I found walking down harder than walking up) shortly after that.

I totally understand what you mean, because I honestly didn't feel I had much or any height neurosis - or even any complex about my height. Honestly I feel I have tried to take as much of a logical and reasonable approach towards this whole thing. I feel I am a very confident and well spoken person, I dress nicely and I look reasonable handsome. I have had several long term relationships with very pretty women, all of them taller than me. My last girlfriend was 173cm tall, and It really never bothered me or her. I am also quite successful (as most here who can afford these surgeries) and have a sizable social media following.

So from a "stats" perspective I feel I have many boxes ticked off. I also have an enormous work capacity and I have worked my ass off for years to get here! For the most part I am happy with myself and my life. But with being said, I do know about the countless studies that show what a disadvantage being a short man is. I was 165cm tall in a nordic country, and that is very short. Studies show that short men will make less for the same amount of work, short men will have a harder time being promoted, shorter men earn less respect, shorter men are taken less seriously and woman find shorter men less attractive.

For me it was simple and logical. Knowing what I know, why would I want to live the rest of my life at a disadvantage? Knowing what I know, why would I want to work harder and get less success, less respect and less payment for the same amount of work as my piers? Knowing what i know, why would I not want to level the playing field if possbile. So that is pretty much the biggest reason I did what I did, so I could play on the same level as the rest of society. I no longer have a disadvantage in the work place, I no longer have a disadvantage at a social gathering and I no longer have a disadvantage with women.

There is a famous study that show women will reject men 85% of the time if you are 165cm tall. The same study shows the rejection rate is only 15% when you are 178cm tall. For my whole adult life I have gotten countless of compliments from women about my looks, heck I've had drop dead gorgeous women come up to me and say things like "you're hot" or "I am gonna marry you". I am not saying this to brag or tut my own horn, but to be real and honest. Almost none of those encounters with women even got me a date. For a long time this really fked with my head. How can I keep hearing these nice words from women so many times, but at the same time not getting much success? How can drop dead gorgeous women slide into my DMs, ask me out and when they meet me things change up completely? For years I could not make any sense of any of this.....



... until I one day became self-conscious about my height, then it all made sense. It doesn't matter how good looking you are if you are short, well to most women. I have a had success with women, don't get me wrong. But the amount of women I had to meet to so I could meet that one girl who didn't care about height was always very hard work. Again, I not trying to brag - and if I am coming across that way I do apologize. I understand I was, or am lucky. Short and good looking is not as bad as short and average, or even short and below average. But I do genuinely believe that if you are average looking and average height you will have good success with women - more so than short and good looking.

At the end of the day, there are many reasons for me doing this. But in general it has been to make life easier in as many ways as possible.

I'll end on a different note, to put what I am saying into a different perspective. A few years back I looked at buying a Range Rover, the big one. Loved the car, and really wanted one. But there was one issues, an issues I encountered many times in large cars. And that was the seat cushion being to long for my short femurs, and I could not if my life depended on it sit comfortably because my femurs where too short. In other words I was literally too short for a Range Rover. When the new one came to dealers this summer, I knew I was gonna love it! But the big questions was, would I now fit better? And yes, the answer is YES! I have no problems and my femurs are now more than long enough for the long cushion of the new Range Rover. It may sound like a small and trivial thing, but for me it is another huge improvement in life quality.

Well said Standtaller. Everyone has his own reasons for doing this. I have been feeling similar like you in terms of "why should I did not get the most out of my life". It is not that I was not successfull so far. I also have made a great career so far and had reasonable success with womens. Maybe precisely for this reason the pain to do this surgery wasn´t strong enough.

Finally, this has been changed after I moved to a new gym last year. It may sounds silly but unfortunately they had two things which have remind me allways that I am simply to small for a man... The one thing were their lockers. They have typically for a locker a storage compartment in the upper third for smaller things like a mobile, a wallet, basecaps etc. Of course this storage compartment has been constructed for an average size man, so I always had to jump, to check, if I have been leaving something of my stuff in this storage compartment. The other thing were their urinals which are as well made for an average sized man, so that people who are smaller need to stand on tenpeaks to pee. You might imagine how I have been feeling....

It might sound silly that neither the harder career path nor the higher hurdles to attract a women were able to motivate me to do this surgery in my twenties, so that it has been needed a new gym to get me to the conclusion to do it. But that is life and I am now happy that things has turned out like they are Finally, I think it is important to be happy in/with your life and to realize your own projects, dreams your are burning and working for. At least I personally don´t want to get ever in the position saying "If I had rather done that back then"

So, I am happy that you have realized your dreams as well and are now gonna fit into the new Range Rover  . I am sure it will let you forget the whole incredible journey you (and we all others) have been getting through this surgery.

[Stand taller]

Day 353 (Day 195 Post clicking)

Happy new year everybody!

My last update was November 19th and things where looking really good then, and my progress until December 1st was speeding up..... but then....

I got the FLU virus and this one hit me like nothin before it. I was basically knocked out bed and sofa prone for three weeks! I can't remember ever being as sick as I was, and laying down for three weeks straight with not exercise or stretching felt like a huge step back.....

All in all I lost about a month where I did not have any progress, three weeks sick and about a week and a half to get back to where I was before I became sick. So the past month has been really hard and again I lost hope - which is so easy to loose during this process. My goal for walking normal on my one year anniversary of the surgery is not looking realistic, since that date is two weeks away. It is just really hard having lost a whole month when things where looking so good!

But on a positive note, my duck ass is still improving and it is the only reason I still can't walk normally. Here is pic from yesterday:

https://freeimage.host/i/HuVgvuj

It is still apparent under the mirror and when I walk, but standing with clothes it is hard to see. But I seen good progress lately with getting rid of it completely.


BUT NOW FOR A HUGE MILESTONE!

During the whole lengthening process and until yesterday I haven't had a drop of alcohol (or I had half a beer on Christmas) because I didn't want to drink while on crutches (which I stopped using November 16th). Though the Betz bone is strong and full weight bearing, you still feel very fragile before your bones start to consolidate. After having said no to almost every social event the past year which included drinking I was determined to be able to celebrate new years with my friends at this night club. Even though I have effectively been of the crutches for around three weeks (not including the time I was sick) I was still bound to my car while out and about shopping and doing errands. Yesterday though would be the first time leaving my car behind and also drinking alcohol.

I started the evening with drinking half a bottle of wine before taking an Uber down town to the night club. I was worried that my tolerance would be basically zero after a year without alcohol, but to my surprise I actually had not problem with my tolerance being low - and actually the opposite seemed to be true. I think it has to be down to the fact I have put on around 9-10kgs in weight (new bone, new muscle, etc) when growing 11,5cm.

I was able to get to the club, stand in the que, find my friends and party until the late morning - not getting home before around 06:00. Before taking a taxi home I even walked around 400m down this street. All in all, waking around the club, getting to and forth with some walking at the end was actually fine. Yes I am very tired and a little sore today, but everything went better than expected.

Now that was the practical bit, but now I wanna talk about what it felt like going to a night club and being normal height for the very first time in my whole life. First of, standing in the line to get in I suddenly wasn't a midget in an ocean of tall people - I felt normal and equal to everybody else. And my first experience of "normal privilege" (hoping to coin that phrase, haha) was when paying to get in this girl about two meters to my left shouted out "hey, I'm in front of you in the line", I then look over at here, smile, laugh and say "that doesn't even make sense, you are way over there, but nice try. Next time though I'll let you sneak in in front of me" She replied with smile "okay, that's a deal". It is not the first time girls have flirted with me like that, but I wasn't expecting it to happed within the first five minutes of getting there.

During the evening I had two beautiful women who where very interested in me, one of actually got quite a bit mad because I seemed rather casual about the whole thing. Again, it's not the first time two beautiful women have shown interest in one evening - last time was the time I met my ex for the very first time. But its not something I experience often, and again I wasn't expecting to happen the first time taking my new height out for a drive!

All in all I felt more positive vibes and responses from women in general getting more smiles than usual. Also walking around in the night club and on the dance floor being normal height was awesome, and being taller than most women even those in heels felt awesome. This was is of course just one night out, so the sample size is tiny - so I am very curious to see what my experience will be moving forward.

With that being said though, I have almost two decades of experience with going out and know what to expect -  last night seemed to be one of the best in that regard. I've written here before about my appearance and my experience  - and how those two have been further apart than what one would expect. There should be a direct correlation between your looks and how women respond, and in my case I have concluded that my old height was the missing variable that "messed" up the results. And yesterday what the first time in my life I felt that my experience finally matched my appearance.

I am not trying to brag or tut my own horn here, so again I do apologize if I come across that way. My whole life I have been told positives things about how I look, but that often hasn't matched my experience with women. In my experience only about 1-2 out of ten women have responded as expected, but this also fits well with studies done on the subject. My point here is that if you are an average looking man (which most are by definition) and you struggle with attracting women I truly believe most of than resistance comes from being short. It is too early to tell from personal experience yet, but there are many studies on this. I truly believe if you can get close to average height in your country and have average looks you will dramatically improve your success with women.

Even though I still walk kind of funny, am not in quite as good shape as before surgery, and haven't updated my wardrobe for my new height yet - yesterday was the first time out and about I felt like a complete human being. A normal person equal to most others, and it felt great.

[Vogel]

Great to read about your experience at the night club (specialty that I have same starting heigh as you)!! We don’t get much of that on this forum.


Could you please share your latest femur x-rays?


Please keep updating us and thanks.

[Stand taller]

Day 365 (Day 207 Post clicking)

One year ago I was on my way to a hotel in Freiburg excited and scared. Tomorrow it is one year since I had my surgery, but I still remember it like if it was yesterday. It would be the last time I went to bed being the height I had been since I was 13 years old. It is strange to think about being one height for more than 20 years, and then suddenly growing almost 12cm in less than 6 months. When I walk around my apartment and look in the mirror, I see me - the same me I have seen for my whole life. I am starting to get used to my new height, at home at least. I am starting for forget how it was to be short - at the same time it strange to think that I may never be called short ever again. Maybe some tall person above 2 meters could call me at 177cm short, but I don't think the vast majority of people would. I've also started to re calibrate my brain when looking at other people. Before, I would look at most people at my brain would be calibrated so I could determine if they where taller or shorter than me. With the vast majority of people being shorter than me, that wasn't hard. Now though, I still struggle - and I still look at people my height and think they are "tall" or at least taller than me - but my brain is getting better with time, recalibrating itself.

It being almost a year since my surgery, I honestly thought I would be walking 100% normal and back to a normal life at this point. On the other hand I really didn't think I was gonna reach my goal of 176cm or even exceeding it at 177cm. I thought that maybe 173-173cm would be my limit and more realistic. But I did reach 177cm and I am glad I did push myself this far. I may not be walking 100% normal or 100% back to normal life, but I am 85-90% there. I still have a little duck ass, a little hip sway and a little stiffness when walking - but things have been improving more and more the past few weeks. I can walk more and longer without getting fatigued or stiff.

I have even gotten to the point I can go out and drink with my friends. I tried this the first time on New Years Eve, and again last weekend. I am still a bit away from being able to walk long distance on a night out and dance the whole night - but one step at a time, and in time I am 100% sure I will get there.

This has been a long journey, and there is still a long way to go. But I am more optimistic than ever at this point in time and I think I will be walking 100% normally within a few months. And even if it takes me another year (which I don't think it will), what is few years for another 40 - 50 years being normal in height.

I'll leave you guys with a photo of me out with friends last weekend. I am the one on the right. My friend in the middle is 178cm, and the one to the left is 191cm - though he is a little hunched over in this pic. In the second pic you see me next to the same friend who is 178cm, but when I was 165cm. Pretty insane to look at the difference.

https://freeimage.host/i/HYG6bix

https://freeimage.host/i/HYGPnlp

[Confidence]

Wow, this is amazing.  You were able to get the same if not more height than many quadrilateral patients but were also able to complete it within a very reasonable amount of time.  Congratulations.  May I ask, which home country are you from?  Also, did you put a down payment on the entire cost of the surgery or did you finance it?

[Stand taller]

Wow, this is amazing.  You were able to get the same if not more height than many quadrilateral patients but were also able to complete it within a very reasonable amount of time.  Congratulations.  May I ask, which home country are you from?  Also, did you put a down payment on the entire cost of the surgery or did you finance it?

Well I am not fully recovered yet, but yes I was able to get the same length or more than most quadrilateral patients, but in one surgery. Even if my total recovery time is the same as a quadrilateral patient I've still saved money and risk of a second surgery. I would still not recommend doing this for everybody. I was lucky to have relatively short femurs, with a ratio of almost 1:1, after surgery my femur to tibia ratio is around 1:1,33 - 1:1,35, with the average being 1:1,28. So my femurs are a little longer than normal compared to my tibias, but nobody except me is going to care or notice. I also have a photo of me with my PT in an earlier post, and I have longer tibias than him - even though he is a little taller than me. So again, nobody's gonna notice or care.

I live in Northern Europe, but I don't want to be more specific than that. I payed for the whole surgery with cash, no finance. But if I didn't have the cash I would probably finance it - I mean it's worth it.

[hippo60]

Love reading your updates and hope you're back to walking 100% soon!
Can you share a bit more on your recovery other than walking? PT / exercise you're doing?
How do you feel about your athletic abilities / biomechanics after this much lengthening in one segment?

[portnoy]

Day 365 (Day 207 Post clicking)

One year ago I was on my way to a hotel in Freiburg excited and scared. Tomorrow it is one year since I had my surgery, but I still remember it like if it was yesterday. It would be the last time I went to bed being the height I had been since I was 13 years old. It is strange to think about being one height for more than 20 years, and then suddenly growing almost 12cm in less than 6 months. When I walk around my apartment and look in the mirror, I see me - the same me I have seen for my whole life. I am starting to get used to my new height, at home at least. I am starting for forget how it was to be short - at the same time it strange to think that I may never be called short ever again. Maybe some tall person above 2 meters could call me at 177cm short, but I don't think the vast majority of people would. I've also started to re calibrate my brain when looking at other people. Before, I would look at most people at my brain would be calibrated so I could determine if they where taller or shorter than me. With the vast majority of people being shorter than me, that wasn't hard. Now though, I still struggle - and I still look at people my height and think they are "tall" or at least taller than me - but my brain is getting better with time, recalibrating itself.

It being almost a year since my surgery, I honestly thought I would be walking 100% normal and back to a normal life at this point. On the other hand I really didn't think I was gonna reach my goal of 176cm or even exceeding it at 177cm. I thought that maybe 173-173cm would be my limit and more realistic. But I did reach 177cm and I am glad I did push myself this far. I may not be walking 100% normal or 100% back to normal life, but I am 85-90% there. I still have a little duck ass, a little hip sway and a little stiffness when walking - but things have been improving more and more the past few weeks. I can walk more and longer without getting fatigued or stiff.

I have even gotten to the point I can go out and drink with my friends. I tried this the first time on New Years Eve, and again last weekend. I am still a bit away from being able to walk long distance on a night out and dance the whole night - but one step at a time, and in time I am 100% sure I will get there.

This has been a long journey, and there is still a long way to go. But I am more optimistic than ever at this point in time and I think I will be walking 100% normally within a few months. And even if it takes me another year (which I don't think it will), what is few years for another 40 - 50 years being normal in height.

I'll leave you guys with a photo of me out with friends last weekend. I am the one on the right. My friend in the middle is 178cm, and the one to the left is 191cm - though he is a little hunched over in this pic. In the second pic you see me next to the same friend who is 178cm, but when I was 165cm. Pretty insane to look at the difference.

https://freeimage.host/i/HYG6bix

https://freeimage.host/i/HYGPnlp

I showed your picture with your friends to a friend of mine and asked if anything seemed off to him on this picture. He looked for 5 minutes and said "no, what would be off?". Passing the eye test I feel like is the ultimate goal with the surgery, so congrats on the success. 

How is your gait atm and are your biomechanics good? I.e. can you squat to pick up stuff normally etc?

[Stand taller]

Love reading your updates and hope you're back to walking 100% soon!
Can you share a bit more on your recovery other than walking? PT / exercise you're doing?
How do you feel about your athletic abilities / biomechanics after this much lengthening in one segment?

Thanks, I am glad you enjoy my updates!

Walking is kind of the main metric for measurement of recovery, that's why I basically only write about it. Most of my recovery seems to be down to my hip and duck ass, that also determine how well I can walk. With that being said, general range of motion in my hip area as well as strength has been poor - but that is also improving daily. I've had very stiff muscles since day one and still wear compression tights during the day because it helps make everything softer. Stiffness has meant that walking is very tiresome. Imagine walking in a pool of water that is up to your waist, that's what walking has felt like for while. On New Years Eve I measured my heart rate to 120 after walking 400 meters, that the same heart rate I should have sprinting. But just in the weeks since New Years I am not as stiff and I don't have that high heart rate from just walking anymore.

I do cardio on a bike as well as trying to walk every day, but that been hard with the snowy and icy weather we've had the past month or so. I also do whole bunch of stretching exercises several times a day and I do other stretching exercises at my physiotherapist three times a week. My issues hasn't been that I don't do that enough during the day or week, but the issue has been than I do so much my body can't handle more and I fall a sleep during the day because my body is exhausted. This has been the hardest thing about this whole thing, I've been very strong mentally (which you have to be for this procedure) - but my body hasn't been as strong as my mind. I even tried going to my PT five times a week, but my body couldn't handle it.

I can only walk, and not very smoothly yet - but that is improving every day. So I basically don't have any athletic abilities other than walking atm, though I can jump. When I get my range of motion back, I'm pretty sure I will be able to run soon after. I hope I can run normally this summer.

I've done an extreme lengthening in my femurs, more than most. But that also means that my recovery will be longer than most. Compared to somebody who has done 6cm, my recovery will at least be more than twice the time if not more.

[Stand taller]

I showed your picture with your friends to a friend of mine and asked if anything seemed off to him on this picture. He looked for 5 minutes and said "no, what would be off?". Passing the eye test I feel like is the ultimate goal with the surgery, so congrats on the success. 

How is your gait atm and are your biomechanics good? I.e. can you squat to pick up stuff normally etc?

That's awesome! No I don't think anybody is going to notice my femurs being as long as they are. My gait is still very much limited because of my duck ass and muscle stiffness, but that it improving noticeably on a daily basis. Usually when I sit on the sofa at home or in the car, I have to do some different stretching exercises to soften up the muscle so I can walk relatively normal. After taking a few more steps my muscles soften up even more and my gait improves. How this is improving is the time and amount of stretching I have to do after being in a resting position for while is getting shorter and shorter every day, as well as my gait is improving.

I'll try to film a clip of me walking next week so you can seen my gait. Can squat down a little bit and also get up no problems from off the floor. I can also use my legs to to get up from the sofa without having to push my self. So my strength is improving every day.

[hippo60]

I've done an extreme lengthening in my femurs, more than most. But that also means that my recovery will be longer than most. Compared to somebody who has done 6cm, my recovery will at least be more than twice the time if not more.

Yeah I know walking is the main metric but was definitely nice to hear how you're doing in other areas as well. Are you going to the gym as well? Or is that too early? What type of strength exercises are you doing? I imagine with your PT you're focusing more on stretching than strength.

Because of the extreme lengthening you went through I think it's very interesting to follow your recovery. Hopefully you're back to 100% real soon 

[Long_Drink_Of_Pi$$]

awesome diary

can you show a photo of your legs now? we want to see if you look like this now:

 

[RealLostSoul]

awesome diary

can you show a photo of your legs now? we want to see if you look like this now:

 

There are literally many pictures he posted here. The last one just a few posts ago. Maybe just scroll up?

[Stand taller]

awesome diary

can you show a photo of your legs now? we want to see if you look like this now:

Thanks man!

Here is photo of me without pants, so you can see my legs for what they are. I think I have better proportions than the photo you posted, is than you? I have done an extreme lengthening, so I was always going to have a little long femurs - so I don't mind. But unless you know or look for my longs femurs, don't think most people are going to notice. And once I wear clothes it is basically unnoticeable.

https://freeimage.host/i/HYydyLG

[Confidence]

Your proportions looks completely fine to me.  I never really understood why people obsess so much about proportions anyway.  In my mind, the self-esteem boost that 12cm of absolute height could give you far outweighs the possibility that 1 in a 100 people will notice let alone care.  If anything, your proportions give you a leggier look which in my opinion looks better because it makes you look even taller.

[RealLostSoul]

Your proportions looks completely fine to me.  I never really understood why people obsess so much about proportions anyway.  In my mind, the self-esteem boost that 12cm of absolute height could give you far outweighs the possibility that 1 in a 100 people will notice let alone care.  If anything, your proportions give you a leggier look which in my opinion looks better because it makes you look even taller.

I definitely agree with this. Think about it that way, rather be your dream height with slightly odd proportions or shorter with good proportions? I think if you say the second then perhaps you should reconsider if you suffer enough from height neurosis to do LL in the first place…
Again this is not saying overlengthening is good. Just the aesthetic point alone I think with just underwear you do look elongated, especially when you pull it up like on your right side in the picture. But it is not as terrible as the other guy who was posted here.
So aesthetically you can be happy about yourself and new found confidence.

I am more worried about the following;
biomechanical changes and alignment perhaps risk of osteoarthritis in the knee primarily, perhaps hips as well, in a few years into the future 
Very long recovery. Maybe i misread it but fighting duckass and poor gait 1 year post op should really not be the case. I think at the 1 year mark most patients should more or less be recovered enough to do most things except from intense sports maybe.

[Stand taller]

Your proportions looks completely fine to me.  I never really understood why people obsess so much about proportions anyway.  In my mind, the self-esteem boost that 12cm of absolute height could give you far outweighs the possibility that 1 in a 100 people will notice let alone care.  If anything, your proportions give you a leggier look which in my opinion looks better because it makes you look even taller.

Yeah, I don't really care about proportions. If anything, my almost 1:1 Tibia/Femur ratio pre-surgery meant I have very short femurs, and had much stranger proportions before lengthening.

[Stand taller]

I definitely agree with this. Think about it that way, rather be your dream height with slightly odd proportions or shorter with good proportions? I think if you say the second than perhaps you should reconsider if you suffer enough from height neurosis to do LL in the first place…
Again this is not saying overlengthening is good. Just the aesthetic point alone I think with just underwear you do look elongated, especially when you pull it up like on your right side in the picture. But it is not as terrible as the other guy who was posted here.
So aesthetically you can be happy about yourself and new found confidence.

I am more worried about the following;
biomechanical changes and alignment perhaps risk of osteoarthritis in the knee primarily, perhaps hips as well, in a few years into the future 
Very long recovery. Maybe i misread it but fighting duckass and poor gait 1 year post op should really not be the case. I think at the 1 year mark most patients should more or less be recovered enough to do most things except from intense sports maybe.

The thing is that before surgery because for my short femurs, my proportions where stranger and more unusual than now. Average femur to tibia ratio is 1:1,28. Before surgery my ratio was 1:1,04, so very short femurs - and now my ratio is 1:1,35. In other words my ratio is much more normal now than before. Sure my femurs may look elongated now, but I think that mostly has to do with them and my muscles actually being elongated. I think once I start building more and more muscle they will look less stretched and more natural.

I think I read a study from a few years back that risk osteoarthritis or arthritis is not higher after limb lengthening - but I may be wrong. Duckass is relative to how much one lengthens and how well the body reacts to lengthening. I have done an extreme lengthening in the femurs, possibly more than anybody here on the forum (?), in that case my journey cannot be compared to most. Sure, most people are pretty much fully recovered after a year, but then again - most people lengthening between 5-8cm, I did 11,4cm. For twice the length you can expect at least twice the recovery time, if not more. I was told that the bone consolidates 1cm for every 40 days. Just in bone consolidations alone we are looking at 456 days. Again, you can't compare my case with most.

My duckass, muscle stiffness and gait are improving every day. Today I have less duckass, less muscle stiffness and a better gait than yesterday. There is no rushing this procedure and there are not shortcuts. If there is one thing I have learned about limb lengthening it's that everybody is different and has different recovery and complications if any. And the other thing is that everything will get better in time. Back in the beginning of September my duckass and range of motion was so bad that I actually though I may never walk again. But now I have no problem going to the store and shop groceries. Sure my gait isn't 100% yet, I can still shop without any problems - and as I said. Mt form is improving every day.

[Confidence]

I definitely agree with this. Think about it that way, rather be your dream height with slightly odd proportions or shorter with good proportions? I think if you say the second than perhaps you should reconsider if you suffer enough from height neurosis to do LL in the first place…

Yup, exactly what I was thinking.  To me, LL should just be a straight shot; either go for as much as you can while minimizing loss of function or don't go for it at all.  The price you have to pay for LL: the mental challenge, financial considerations, pain, time doing research, and risk of complications is just not worth it for a couple cm.  Reality is there is always going to be a proportions trade off whether we get 1cm or 16cm.

The goal for most of us should be to keep things simple: cure height neurosis and minimize societal stigma towards our height while maintaining our pre-surgical functionality. Worrying about other body image issues/proportions just adds unnecessary anxiety/complication to the price we already have to pay.   

[EndGame]

awesome diary

can you show a photo of your legs now? we want to see if you look like this now:

 

Everyone loves to troll this guy's picture. I think wearing a bikini shaped briefs makes his femurs look extra long is part of it. Normal briefs he'd look less weird. Boxers he might even look ok. Perhaps someone can Photoshop? I'm curious to see how much is his actual proportions vs idiotic choice of bikini briefs.

[RealLostSoul]

Were you ever medically confirmed to be 1:1 ratio before LL? You can only say that via xray really. Most people just measure wrongly, a common mistake is measuring heel to top of the knee (is not tibia length) and from of the knee to groin area (is not the femur length).

I am asking this specifically because 1:1 ratio would mean you have had some pretty strong birth defect or perhaps severe accident during growth years. Just imagine this for a second; a quick search reveals that the mean average femur length in the average Joe is 50cm. And the tibia 39cm.
That means imagine how the average Joe would look like with +11cm only on tibia LL. Yea that would be a true 1:1 ratio. You can shop any person with that amount on tibia only and you will see how freaky it looks. I did +10 mockup on tibia myself and it look really alienish. I am all for long tibias but with tiny femurs it did look like on stelts. But it would be 1:1 ratio.

 there is a reason why body parts grow to their correct sizes and proportions. And not your pinky being all of a sudden as big as your middle finger for example. And no severe conditions I ever heard of, even like marfan syndrome (where all of your limbs are elongated) have 1:1 ratio. „i have 1:1 ratio“ most often means wrongly measured or just guessed.
The thing I wanna add here is that most males wear boxershorts and they visually cut off quite a bit of the femur that‘s why a lot of people consider their femurs as short

[thankscience]

Everyone loves to troll this guy's picture. I think wearing a bikini shaped briefs makes his femurs look extra long is part of it. Normal briefs he'd look less weird. Boxers he might even look ok. Perhaps someone can Photoshop? I'm curious to see how much is his actual proportions vs idiotic choice of bikini briefs.

This guy's proportions probably don't look as bad now. I imagine he has built a lot more muscle in his thighs which balances his frame out.

[RealLostSoul]

Everyone loves to troll this guy's picture. I think wearing a bikini shaped briefs makes his femurs look extra long is part of it. Normal briefs he'd look less weird. Boxers he might even look ok. Perhaps someone can Photoshop? I'm curious to see how much is his actual proportions vs idiotic choice of bikini briefs.

Here you go I shopped him with normal boxershorts. not the best shop but does the trick. tbh makes up a lot. yea he would benefit a lot from tibia LL. his upper body and everything else fits perfectly. it's only the tibiae look really short.
he can cover it up with clothing and lift shoes.

e:/ ok for whatever reason I can't post a pic. so here a link: https://imgur.com/a/Lju6Hjs