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Since Stryde was recalled there has been a decrease in actual LL discussion while off topic has dramatically increased. Until nuvasive or synoste get a new full weight bearing nail out this will continue to be the case. Thoughts?

[Masteryourlife]

Since Stryde was recalled there has been a decrease in actual LL discussion while off topic has dramatically increased. Until nuvasive or synoste get a new full weight bearing nail out this will continue to be the case. Thoughts?

Yes n I also hope so .
LL discussions section is becoming a joke and new people just hop on n make questions answeared billion of times.
I said I hope because Nuvasive n Synoste will never say "we creating a new nail to make ppl taller" but they know that the market is bug and that cosmetic patients are the most profitable ones so if less ppl undergo the surgery , they will rush the process in order to get the market .
If Synoste (thankfully they doing trials) happens to release it n trials shows no rust with their new lenghetning mechanism , we would have a new era since Nuvasive arrogance since they monopolized the market lead to stryde n its issues with no trials or testings ( I wonder how could that be legal?!) .
I wish also that doctors who are very skilled in deformity corrections around the world ,starts offering this procedure but not advertising it ,in order to have more doctors (maybe also closer to our hometown) but less salesmans.
This surgery is for our mental health more then for our aesthetic part ,so we need to find ppl who care about our well being somehow and not just about our money .
Given the situation , I hope less ppl undergo this surgery with P2 so that we can have a better nail sooner because P2 it's just too much to handle psychologically (at least for me).

[Medium Drink Of Water]

I think I desreve credit for some of this.  Over the past few months I've been moving everything even remotely LL-related out of the off topic forum.  I think this created a more conducive environemnt for discussing other things here; the place might be a ghost town otherwise.

[Sambollio]

I think doctors like Mahboubian are contributing to the destruction of his own practice. Him posting on tiktok and spamming articles in my email that are obvious height dysphoria bait. I think there are a lot of posts right now that sound like frustrated young men who haven’t had a healthy sexual relationship yet. They see something like what Dr.M posts and come here to vent or troll post etc.

I’m worried that this forum, which is the most accurate representation of the LL community as a whole, will be overrun with posts about the evils of women, fantasies of beating up tall guys, troll posts, and general teen angst. I think this forum is going to go down the  ter the more that young people learn about the surgery. At some point it’s going to get so bad that either there will be a huge shift in posting rules and how strictly they are enforced or the og adult posters will just leave.

[Masteryourlife]

I think doctors like Mahboubian are contributing to the destruction of his own practice. Him posting on tiktok and spamming articles in my email that are obvious height dysphoria bait. I think there are a lot of posts right now that sound like frustrated young men who haven’t had a healthy sxxual relationship yet. They see something like what Dr.M posts and come here to vent or troll post etc.

I’m worried that this forum, which is the most accurate representation of the LL community as a whole, will be overrun with posts about the evils of women, fantasies of beating up tall guys, troll posts, and general teen angst. I think this forum is going to go down the  ter the more that young people learn about the surgery. At some point it’s going to get so bad that either there will be a huge shift in posting rules and how strictly they are enforced or the og adult posters will just leave.

I don't like you , but I have to agree on everything you said .
We are full of the genZ story which is a joke , of people claiming to be suicidal ,unhealthy ideas of womens in general as if it was their fault if we have height dysphoria or if the deep meaning of life was to be taller to get girls .
This surgery is much more then this n also..people here talking about android girls , being alone forever , technology to reverse aging in future to make LL in 20(??) in a ''safer'' way ...I think moderators here ( @MDOW etc. ) should message,strike or ban some users who tells others that is better to kill themself because life is this or that !

I joined this forum after reading it for long time because I wanted infos on LL n not talk to creepy people .
Honestly years ago I rarely saw stupid posts back to back like now or crazy comments full of anger n ignorance .
What is the limit in this forum for someone to be banned if suicidal topics/comments are accepted ?
Wish something will change soon !

[MeanGoal]

I don't like you , but I have to agree on everything you said .
We are full of the genZ story which is a joke , of people claiming to be suicidal ,unhealthy ideas of womens in general as if it was their fault if we have height dysphoria or if the deep meaning of life was to be taller to get girls .
This surgery is much more then this n also..people here talking about android girls , being alone forever , technology to reverse aging in future to make LL in 20(??) in a ''safer'' way ...I think moderators here ( @MDOW etc. ) should message,strike or ban some users who tells others that is better to kill themself because life is this or that !

I joined this forum after reading it for long time because I wanted infos on LL n not talk to creepy people .
Honestly years ago I rarely saw stupid posts back to back like now or crazy comments full of anger n ignorance .
What is the limit in this forum for someone to be banned if suicidal topics/comments are accepted ?
Wish something will change soon !

What the hell is happening to this forum? Instead of discussing valuable information on limb lengthening, we are stuck with posts like:

Designing female androids so incels don't have to resort to pr0st!tutes anymore.
Magically lengthening bones without an osteotomy by the year 20XX
Reverse aging technology by the year 20XX
Short guy fantasies of beating up someone taller than you because you are jealous of their height
Stretching your neck hanging from a hood to get taller
Suicide: how you have no reason to live if you are below a certain height. What's next, are we going to have a discussion on how to commit suicide in the most painless and efficient manner?! What the hell are these moderators and admins doing to allow this website go down the sh!thole?

[Exxon]

I don't like you , but I have to agree on everything you said .
We are full of the genZ story which is a joke , of people claiming to be suicidal ,unhealthy ideas of womens in general as if it was their fault if we have height dysphoria or if the deep meaning of life was to be taller to get girls .
This surgery is much more then this n also..people here talking about android girls , being alone forever , technology to reverse aging in future to make LL in 20(??) in a ''safer'' way ...I think moderators here ( @MDOW etc. ) should message,strike or ban some users who tells others that is better to kill themself because life is this or that !

I joined this forum after reading it for long time because I wanted infos on LL n not talk to creepy people .
Honestly years ago I rarely saw stupid posts back to back like now or crazy comments full of anger n ignorance .
What is the limit in this forum for someone to be banned if suicidal topics/comments are accepted ?
Wish something will change soon !

Mate you're 5'9 which is US national average. You haven't seen that some people on this forum are like 5'2-5'6 which obviously you can't blame them that they will feel suicidal in our judgemental society.

[Masteryourlife]

Mate you're 5'9 which is US national average. You haven't seen that some people on this forum are like 5'2-5'6 which obviously you can't blame them that they will feel suicidal in our judgemental society.

There is a guy going around here at 5'7 ( can't remember his nickname) who goes around the forum saying this creepy things n as I said ,some would rather have degenerative diseases then being short which makes no sense to begin with because a degenerative disease it's by definition a disease u can't solve n will prevent u from doing basic tasks so what is the porpuse of being 6'5 with such a disease ?!
Ofc feeling a certain way can be understandable as ppl kill themself for way less then this but :

A- this is not the place to use such terms because ppl here are stressed n tired to begin with because this surgery is no joke
B- Saying such statements put downs other users who might have the same height but not same feelings.

This forum is about the surgery , not for psychological issues/evaluations that needs to be addressed by a psychiatrist at those stages .
Your statement it's not with hate but how do u think someone who js 5'2 to 5'6 or even less feels reading your comment ?

This surgery it's not just for short ppl to become avarage or for avarage ones to become tall ;
It is for everyone who wants to grow psychologically n physically n the happines of someone going from 5'2 to 5'7 with 2 surgeries might be x10 times mine that I go from 5'9 to almost 6 ft .
I can't understand because I feel short at 5'9 so for me 5'7 its even shorter then my starting height but he can't understand me either so its SO personal that no one should be allowed to judge how much happiness they can gain from going from tot height to another one .
Its individual n we can relate with the feelings of each other but we can't relate with their porpuses n situations so certain extreme personal pov should remain out of this forum according to me .
This should be a safe place ,not a toxic judgmental platform to make feel ppl even shorter or worst !
I'm by no mean the best or kind guy out there but there has to be a limit here and we all should STICK to the forum n the surgery .
Personal general opinions are welcome as might help in making a better decision but the ppl going around lately are probably not even 18 n are messing everything up because actuall ppl who wants this surgery are between 20-40 with normal lifes , normal looks,normal brain,normal or even good jobs n since this forum its anonymous we have no clue to who we are talking to n since we are sensitive to this topic we might take for good the opinion of a retard kid.
Some rules should be applied ,hopefully !!

[Exxon]

There is a guy going around here at 5'7 ( can't remember his nickname) who goes around the forum saying this creepy things n as I said ,some would rather have degenerative diseases then being short which makes no sense to begin with because a degenerative disease it's by definition a disease u can't solve n will prevent u from doing basic tasks so what is the porpuse of being 6'5 with such a disease ?!
Ofc feeling a certain way can be understandable as ppl kill themself for way less then this but :

A- this is not the place to use such terms because ppl here are stressed n tired to begin with because this surgery is no joke
B- Saying such statements put downs other users who might have the same height but not same feelings.

This forum is about the surgery , not for psychological issues/evaluations that needs to be addressed by a psychiatrist at those stages .
Your statement it's not with hate but how do u think someone who js 5'2 to 5'6 or even less feels reading your comment ?

This surgery it's not just for short ppl to become avarage or for avarage ones to become tall ;
It is for everyone who wants to grow psychologically n physically n the happines of someone going from 5'2 to 5'7 with 2 surgeries might be x10 times mine that I go from 5'9 to almost 6 ft .
I can't understand because I feel short at 5'9 so for me 5'7 its even shorter then my starting height but he can't understand me either so its SO personal that no one should be allowed to judge how much happiness they can gain from going from tot height to another one .
Its individual n we can relate with the feelings of each other but we can't relate with their porpuses n situations so certain extreme personal pov should remain out of this forum according to me .
This should be a safe place ,not a toxic judgmental platform to make feel ppl even shorter or worst !
I'm by no mean the best or kind guy out there but there has to be a limit here and we all should STICK to the forum n the surgery .
Personal general opinions are welcome as might help in making a better decision but the ppl going around lately are probably not even 18 n are messing everything up because actuall ppl who wants this surgery are between 20-40 with normal lifes , normal looks,normal brain,normal or even good jobs n since this forum its anonymous we have no clue to who we are talking to n since we are sensitive to this topic we might take for good the opinion of a retard kid.
Some rules should be applied ,hopefully !!

I agree with everything you said; I was just saying that since you are the average height then you might not understand what it feels like for men that are well below the average. You "feel" short at 5'9 which is fine, that's your perspective now imagine being even shorter than that; could you handle it? You may not understand their perspectives and struggles they endure throughout their daily lives and they project it throughout this forum because maybe there is no one else to talk to in their life. I'm not promoting this behaviour, psychologists and professionals exist but I'm just giving you a reason as to why this is happening.

Also this is the "Off-Topic" section and the moderators are doing a great job at moving non-CLL related stuff here so I don't see what the problem is with some of their venting; as long as it doesn't go into black pill/incel territory then it's okay. Discussing about future scientific research that may be happening in the world and mocking people for doing that is not nice.

[MeanGoal]

Also this is the "Off-Topic" section and the moderators are doing a great job at moving non-CLL related stuff here so I don't see what the problem is with some of their venting; as long as it doesn't go into black pill/incel territory then it's okay. Discussing about future scientific research that may be happening in the world and mocking people for doing that is not nice.

Venting their frustrations is okay to a certain degree. But when you are talking about how there is no reason to live because you are too short (or rather have a devastating disease like leukemia) and discuss suicide as the only option, there is big concern here. There are other people who are in a similar situation and when they read posts like how suicide is the only option, it will have an influence. And what about inciting criminal behavior, like assaulting someone taller than you because you are frustrated of being short? That's not simply venting, that is inciting criminal and illegal behavior.

When a reader engages in suicide or criminal behavior because of the influencing posts on this website, the staff on this website can get into serious trouble and be held liable. I'm surprised the moderators and admins aren't doing more to filter this garbage out.

Future scientific research discussions are okay, but there is a distinction between reality and delusional. The pinned post says incel posts are to be banned. But what the hell is the purpose of a female android? It's designed for incels. It's not a direct topic on incels, but certainly indirectly related.

[stevens]

Venting their frustrations is okay to a certain degree. But when you are talking about how there is no reason to live because you are too short (or rather have a devastating disease like leukemia) and discuss suicide as the only option, there is big concern here. There are other people who are in a similar situation and when they read posts like how suicide is the only option, it will have an influence. And what about inciting criminal behavior, like assaulting someone taller than you because you are frustrated of being short? That's not simply venting, that is inciting criminal and illegal behavior.

When a reader engages in suicide or criminal behavior because of the influencing posts on this website, the staff on this website can get into serious trouble and be held liable. I'm surprised the moderators and admins aren't doing more to filter this garbage out.

Future scientific research discussions are okay, but there is a distinction between reality and delusional. The pinned post says incel posts are to be banned. But what the hell is the purpose of a female android? It's designed for incels. It's not a direct topic on incels, but certainly indirectly related.

mgtow

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

Of course otherwise this forum will be turned into a ghost town.
Plus before nails return, why not make use of the time interval as a opportunity of venting and futurizing?
I am suffering from stloads of height discrimations and I don't think it's better to accumulate them in my mind without being vented than venting and discussing about them.
In my country the heightism is deteriorating like hell and I am being imposed on discriminations and frustrations so this section is a resort for my jealousies and embitterments.
You gotta take pity on thoes guys standing below 5'5 and understand what they are experiencing——a crapty life riddled with mistreatments from the world! So that's why you can see someone cynical plugging away with exclaiming they are attempting to commit suicide and complaining with their extreme statements.

[Masteryourlife]

Of course otherwise this forum will be turned into a ghost town.
Plus before nails return, why not make use of the time interval as a opportunity of venting and futurizing?
I am suffering from stloads of height discrimations and I don't think it's better to accumulate them in my mind without being vented than venting and discussing about them.
In my country the heightism is deteriorating like hell and I am being imposed on discriminations and frustrations so this section is a resort for my jealousies and embitterments.
You gotta take pity on thoes guys standing below 5'5 and understand what they are experiencing——a crapty life riddled with mistreatments from the world! So that's why you can see someone cynical plugging away with exclaiming they are attempting to commit suicide and complaining with their extreme statements.

5'5 should be 165 cm in my metric system .
I wonder where do people live to have such a discrimination because I live on earth too and my brother n father are 5'6/5'7ish ,which is slighly taller then you but probably not that much of a difference to change others prespective n they have perfectly normal lifes ; they happier then me .
My brothers gf is almost tall as me , she is 173 which is a tiny bit over 5'8 I think and she is cute (actually cute not how some intend beauty standards which are quite low) .
As I said on other threads too , I just think differently and I used to model so was surrounded by tall people everywhere and I felt I was cheated because I was actually better then most of guys working with me but my height holded me n overall I'm just a perfectionist and the fact that I 'lack' somewhere just f**** my brain to a crazy extent . I'm not doing this to challenge myself but because height its my only,but huge insecurity but because again,I was constantly compared to models .
People do not get that in normal situations and if you don't live in northern countries of europe there is no way such a huge discrimination could occur because it would be irrational n even if you live there I believe its more about you feeling short compared to them then them discriminating you since they are developed countries with smart people generally speaking .
I also read the stupid thing about genZ and its just bs , China has an avarage of 5'7 n even if you want to max out we could talk about 5'9...not even probably .
What is happening there its that either ppl don't know what 5'9 looks like and they think its 5'11 so when someone types 5'9 they call him short,and under 5'7 they think its a midget ..or that the ones talking are just 14 yo kids taken to seriuosly on the forums online .
I can bet that if you walk down the streets no one would turn around sayin ''omg that dude short af'' at 5'5 .
Ye you are short but not to the extent your minds think .
You could reach 5'8 with 1 surgery and 5'10 with 2 n forget about that stupid 6 ft mark ;people DO NOT know what a real 6ft looks like !!!!!!!!!!!
You have no clue how lifes is at around average heights and trust me that my height never stopped me from ANYTHING . Mine its a personal perception .
What I'm trying to say is to stop acting like you could not achive s*** in this life because you are 5'5 .
Instead of killing your mental health with stupid forums n anonymous people , work toward the first goal which is to have a safe femur lenghening procedure .
You will stand at 5'8 and trust me ,unless you have other problems other then height , you will probably not need another surgery and you will be able to have whatever you like .
I'm not a motivator because I honestly don't care about strangers well-being but I'm giving you a more rational prespective then yours ; If I felt like   at 5'9 you have all the rights to do so at 5'5 BUT there is a way out , even tho hard , so while waiting for your moment improve your body,yourself n then top that with height .Its not easy AT ALL but that is the way to go , not claiming suicidal thoughts on forums because they won't make you taller ..but an informative pick of a surgeon n knowing the process might so this is why I wished everyone sticked to topic related to the surgery because its the most usefull/helpfull way to overcome our height dysphoria .

I apologize for eventual typing errors but english not my first language

[bloggerdude]

synoste where are they? they have been running trials for so long? No results??

[Masteryourlife]

synoste where are they? they have been running trials for so long? No results??

Trials end in december 2022 but heard that nail size its pretty big because I had a consultation with a surgeon who helped developing it who told me its diameter .
I asked infos about nail sizes on LL discussion but no one answeared so whatever ig.
Off topic is more important then nail sizes lol

[Exxon]

5'5 should be 165 cm in my metric system .
I wonder where do people live to have such a discrimination because I live on earth too and my brother n father are 5'6/5'7ish ,which is slighly taller then you but probably not that much of a difference to change others prespective n they have perfectly normal lifes ; they happier then me .
My brothers gf is almost tall as me , she is 173 which is a tiny bit over 5'8 I think and she is cute (actually cute not how some intend beauty standards which are quite low) .
As I said on other threads too , I just think differently and I used to model so was surrounded by tall people everywhere and I felt I was cheated because I was actually better then most of guys working with me but my height holded me n overall I'm just a perfectionist and the fact that I 'lack' somewhere just f**** my brain to a crazy extent . I'm not doing this to challenge myself but because height its my only,but huge insecurity but because again,I was constantly compared to models .
People do not get that in normal situations and if you don't live in northern countries of europe there is no way such a huge discrimination could occur because it would be irrational n even if you live there I believe its more about you feeling short compared to them then them discriminating you since they are developed countries with smart people generally speaking .
I also read the stupid thing about genZ and its just bs , China has an avarage of 5'7 n even if you want to max out we could talk about 5'9...not even probably .
What is happening there its that either ppl don't know what 5'9 looks like and they think its 5'11 so when someone types 5'9 they call him short,and under 5'7 they think its a midget ..or that the ones talking are just 14 yo kids taken to seriuosly on the forums online .
I can bet that if you walk down the streets no one would turn around sayin ''omg that dude short af'' at 5'5 .
Ye you are short but not to the extent your minds think .
You could reach 5'8 with 1 surgery and 5'10 with 2 n forget about that stupid 6 ft mark ;people DO NOT know what a real 6ft looks like !!!!!!!!!!!
You have no clue how lifes is at around average heights and trust me that my height never stopped me from ANYTHING . Mine its a personal perception .
What I'm trying to say is to stop acting like you could not achive s*** in this life because you are 5'5 .
Instead of killing your mental health with stupid forums n anonymous people , work toward the first goal which is to have a safe femur lenghening procedure .
You will stand at 5'8 and trust me ,unless you have other problems other then height , you will probably not need another surgery and you will be able to have whatever you like .
I'm not a motivator because I honestly don't care about strangers well-being but I'm giving you a more rational prespective then yours ; If I felt like   at 5'9 you have all the rights to do so at 5'5 BUT there is a way out , even tho hard , so while waiting for your moment improve your body,yourself n then top that with height .Its not easy AT ALL but that is the way to go , not claiming suicidal thoughts on forums because they won't make you taller ..but an informative pick of a surgeon n knowing the process might so this is why I wished everyone sticked to topic related to the surgery because its the most usefull/helpfull way to overcome our height dysphoria .

I apologize for eventual typing errors but english not my first language

Thing is you are a 175cm man so you have no idea how a life for a 165cm man would be like; it's depressing for many

[bloggerdude]

Trials end in december 2022 but heard that nail size its pretty big because I had a consultation with a surgeon who helped developing it who told me its diameter .
I asked infos about nail sizes on LL discussion but no one answeared so whatever ig.
Off topic is more important then nail sizes lol

Donghoon?

Here are nail sizes for you
Precice: 8.7mm, 10.7mm, 12.5mm
Stryde: 10mm, 11.5mm, 13mm
Guichet nail: 11mm and 13mm

What are synoste nail sizes?

If they have still not published any trial data can we conclude the experiments weren't successful?

[Medium Drink Of Water]

5'5 should be 165 cm in my metric system .
I wonder where do people live to have such a discrimination because I live on earth too and my brother n father are 5'6/5'7ish ,which is slighly taller then you but probably not that much of a difference to change others prespective n they have perfectly normal lifes ; they happier then me .
My brothers gf is almost tall as me , she is 173 which is a tiny bit over 5'8 I think and she is cute (actually cute not how some intend beauty standards which are quite low) .
As I said on other threads too , I just think differently and I used to model so was surrounded by tall people everywhere and I felt I was cheated because I was actually better then most of guys working with me but my height holded me n overall I'm just a perfectionist and the fact that I 'lack' somewhere just f**** my brain to a crazy extent . I'm not doing this to challenge myself but because height its my only,but huge insecurity but because again,I was constantly compared to models .
People do not get that in normal situations and if you don't live in northern countries of europe there is no way such a huge discrimination could occur because it would be irrational n even if you live there I believe its more about you feeling short compared to them then them discriminating you since they are developed countries with smart people generally speaking .
I also read the stupid thing about genZ and its just bs , China has an avarage of 5'7 n even if you want to max out we could talk about 5'9...not even probably .
What is happening there its that either ppl don't know what 5'9 looks like and they think its 5'11 so when someone types 5'9 they call him short,and under 5'7 they think its a midget ..or that the ones talking are just 14 yo kids taken to seriuosly on the forums online .
I can bet that if you walk down the streets no one would turn around sayin ''omg that dude short af'' at 5'5 .
Ye you are short but not to the extent your minds think .
You could reach 5'8 with 1 surgery and 5'10 with 2 n forget about that stupid 6 ft mark ;people DO NOT know what a real 6ft looks like !!!!!!!!!!!
You have no clue how lifes is at around average heights and trust me that my height never stopped me from ANYTHING . Mine its a personal perception .
What I'm trying to say is to stop acting like you could not achive s*** in this life because you are 5'5 .
Instead of killing your mental health with stupid forums n anonymous people , work toward the first goal which is to have a safe femur lenghening procedure .
You will stand at 5'8 and trust me ,unless you have other problems other then height , you will probably not need another surgery and you will be able to have whatever you like .
I'm not a motivator because I honestly don't care about strangers well-being but I'm giving you a more rational prespective then yours ; If I felt like   at 5'9 you have all the rights to do so at 5'5 BUT there is a way out , even tho hard , so while waiting for your moment improve your body,yourself n then top that with height .Its not easy AT ALL but that is the way to go , not claiming suicidal thoughts on forums because they won't make you taller ..but an informative pick of a surgeon n knowing the process might so this is why I wished everyone sticked to topic related to the surgery because its the most usefull/helpfull way to overcome our height dysphoria .

I apologize for eventual typing errors but english not my first language

There are two Chinas.  A country about the size of America with a standard of living similar to a 2nd tier European country like Portugal, and third world country with a billion subsistance farmers.  The one-child policy in the rich part of China created a generation of so-called "little emperors."  They're very superficial and demanding.  The marriage rate of young Chinese has plummeted in the past few years.  While I don't think it's as bad as he claims it is (the 14-year old troll thing is spot on) I'm sure it's a problem.

[AllinStryde]

Interesting.  Just because someone "feels" short at 5'9" doesn't mean they're short.  You can feel it, but you're at the average mark. 

[Masteryourlife]

Interesting.  Just because someone "feels" short at 5'9" doesn't mean they're short.  You can feel it, but you're at the average mark.

I'm aware I'm not "short" but average, but I also believe that the feeling it's the same when its big enough to consider this surgery .
This because I'm the tallest of my family (taller then father n brothers) n they are fine while I'm not ; So my personal opinion is that although at a better starting height ,I can relate to height dysphoria feelings .
I'm not sure to what extent because starting 10 cm shorter then me on the paper sounds reasonable to think that they suffer more then me , but their desire of them falling into avarage heights is not necessarily higher then mine of falling into the tall side .
Often people with shorter starting height mistake that and think that avarage ppl are just being greedy n doing this surgery just as a "+" in their life , while for me it's no option because I'm not happy right now at all , despite having everything on point with other aspects ,girls included (who tells that its height stopping them at 5'9 it's probably because they re not 5'9 for real/they ugly/bad personality etc).
Sometimes it's just about being where you feel your body/mind/soul belong and that feeling its the same in every person with height dysphoria.
I might be wrong n probably some feels it more but my point is that going from very short to short /short to average/avarage to tall ..are all personal upgrades that brings the same kind of mental freedom.
Some stupid topics are the ones who make ppl feel that this surgery is worth it only if u can reach the 6ft mark or it's better to give up on life n this is the point I'm trying to prove ; each one have a personal perception of things but height dysphoria feels the same no matter the starting height .
This is my opinion and there is no way to prove myself right or wrong but from reading others diares/post op feelings ,n knowing how much I suffered, I believe that I can have valid points no matter my starting height n state that some people here are not rational and their height is a problem,  but not the only problem (having also people shorter then me around me who are happier then me n living a fulfilling life..sure they would like to be taller but as many would like to be richer,cuter,smarter etc. That is normal).

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

I'm aware I'm not "short" but average, but I also believe that the feeling it's the same when its big enough to consider this surgery .
This because I'm the tallest of my family (taller then father n brothers) n they are fine while I'm not ; So my personal opinion is that although at a better starting height ,I can relate to height dysphoria feelings .
I'm not sure to what extent because starting 10 cm shorter then me on the paper sounds reasonable to think that they suffer more then me , but their desire of them falling into avarage heights is not necessarily higher then mine of falling into the tall side .
Often people with shorter starting height mistake that and think that avarage ppl are just being greedy n doing this surgery just as a "+" in their life , while for me it's no option because I'm not happy right now at all , despite having everything on point with other aspects ,girls included (who tells that its height stopping them at 5'9 it's probably because they re not 5'9 for real/they ugly/bad personality etc).
Sometimes it's just about being where you feel your body/mind/soul belong and that feeling its the same in every person with height dysphoria.
I might be wrong n probably some feels it more but my point is that going from very short to short /short to average/avarage to tall ..are all personal upgrades that brings the same kind of mental freedom.
Some stupid topics are the ones who make ppl feel that this surgery is worth it only if u can reach the 6ft mark or it's better to give up on life n this is the point I'm trying to prove ; each one have a personal perception of things but height dysphoria feels the same no matter the starting height .
This is my opinion and there is no way to prove myself right or wrong but from reading others diares/post op feelings ,n knowing how much I suffered, I believe that I can have valid points no matter my starting height n state that some people here are not rational and their height is a problem,  but not the only problem (having also people shorter then me around me who are happier then me n living a fulfilling life..sure they would like to be taller but as many would like to be richer,cuter,smarter etc. That is normal).

But in light of your words I don't think you have capabilities of having sympathy from short men especially on this forum and I also saw your other posts on one short men with Depression isolated in his own bedroom and can not dissociate with his parents which made me perplexed about why you couldn't have related to him. If I were at your height I'd rather lose half of my lifespan or just live for another 10 yrs and die so I don't think you are really relating to us short men. Every short man will sacrifice everything for being 185cm tall trust me. I have came across various short men's tradeoffs that they cannot never make instead just in their minds for being tall. At least in my shoes I can't think of other worse tragedies than being so short and that's why I addressed having Parkinson/Leukemia somehow is somehow better than being short although admittedly that is not a rational opinion and you already told me that before. I think you can just bow down to like 152/162cm and walk around outdoors then you can kind of experience what we are actually experiencing, not just fantansizing how bad life is for them in your mind if you don't mind me to say that.