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[Kenshiro]

Hello guys, I absolutely want to have surgery by the end of May until August / end of August 2022. It can be complicated because I'm only 19 years old and I don't know anything about the procedures. That's why I want to do it for next holidays, people around me will just think I got taller naturally. So I'm looking for a safe method (that allow me to fully recover and squat) and hospital that costs less than 11k € (all fees included, hotel, food, flights (I'm from france), followup visits, daily physio ...) and finally that can get me at least 6.5cm taller (no matter tibia or femur, tell me what is the safest please) (also no matter india, iran, china or anywhere else, just cheap and safe).

I saw this post about Dr Naveen Talwar, is it true and safe ?? 

I also want to know about all procedures, papers (I read about x-ray here ?? ), pain, side effect and the impact on my weightlifting and mma career (I saw someone on youtube who could squat after timblenghtening). Ty.

[MorningStar]

Cheap, fast and safe? Man, you should choose 2 out of 3. Probably externals with Parihar from India or some respectable doctors from Russia with the same externals would be pretty cheap and safe, but really not fast. You should dedicate around 1 year, not a summer holidays.

P. S. There aren't a lot (or maybe at all) diaries here by Dr. Talwar so by the rule of thumb I should avoid unknown or little known doctors from the third world countries. Also even if you choose him, 6,5 cm with a LON on tibia would require you much more time to regain walking gait than several months. You will only have nailing after 3 months.
P. P. S. You gave post from 2014. Be sure, now prices are different.
P. P. P. S. If you are thinking about professional MMA career, then forget about lengthening. It's not about regaining the physical abilities. It's about the fact that you won't exercise too long. I mean around 2 years. It's too long for the young potential MMA professional.

[SirStretchAlot]

Two problems

1) LON/LATN will be extremely painful. It will also leave multiple deep scars on your thigh/shin, making it obvious you got the surgery.

2) If you want to lift weights and do MMA, don't do this surgery. Longer bones especially when disproportionate, are more likely to fracture. You won't be able to do much running until nail removal 1/1.5 years later. So it won't be 2024 until you can lift/fight.

[Kenshiro]

Ty for yours answers mates ! What if I choose fast and cheap (11k) ? is it possible ? when I say  "fast" I mean just enough to go back to school after 3 months and walking, no need to do weightlifting directly. Does LON on femur requires less time than on tibia to regain walking ? how much time do we have to wear the external fixator ?  I did not understand your last sentence, "around 2 years" we can't do weightlifting or mma anymore after 2 years ??

Cheap, fast and safe? Man, you should choose 2 out of 3. Probably externals with Parihar from India or some respectable doctors from Russia with the same externals would be pretty cheap and safe, but really not fast. You should dedicate around 1 year, not a summer holidays.

P. S. There aren't a lot (or maybe at all) diaries here by Dr. Talwar so by the rule of thumb I should avoid unknown or little known doctors from the third world countries. Also even if you choose him, 6,5 cm with a LON on tibia would require you much more time to regain walking gait than several months. You will only have nailing after 3 months.
P. P. S. You gave post from 2014. Be sure, now prices are different.
P. P. P. S. If you are thinking about professional MMA career, then forget about lengthening. It's not about regaining the physical abilities. It's about the fact that you won't exercise too long. I mean around 2 years. It's too long for the young potential MMA professional.

Two problems

1) LON/LATN will be extremely painful. It will also leave multiple deep scars on your thigh/shin, making it obvious you got the surgery.

2) If you want to lift weights and do MMA, don't do this surgery. Longer bones especially when disproportionate, are more likely to fracture. You won't be able to do much running until nail removal 1/1.5 years later. So it won't be 2024 until you can lift/fight.

Are the scares inevitable ? I read doctors that tell that the scars aren't very visible and they will disappear with time, is it true ?
No problem if I have to wait 2 years to squat and fight but can I walk 3 months after surgery, go back to school without external fixators, stay 8 hours standing and without any problem as long as I don't run or lift ?
After 2-3 years, I will be able to squat like him ??


Is LON/LATN more safier, cheaper and faster on tibia or femur ??

If these are the scares, no problem and I'm much hairier than him in my leg

[MorningStar]

Yes, you won't do MMA for 1,5-2 years. Weightlifting is almost the same. Later you can.

Sorry, man, but no method lets you to walk completely normal after 3 months. Considering your age, maybe 5 months would be realistic if we talk about LON/LATN on tibia. At least in theory. How it's in practice - no one can say. Probably not, if you go to Turkey, Vietnam, India or other very cheap place.

No respectable doctor will ever do LON/LATN on femur. That's a torturing and crippling way to do LL. You can read detailed diary about that, also watch videos, how walking looks like after 4-5 months post first surgery (in 10 page): http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=66610.0 so forget about LON/LATN on femur.

My strong advice: wait. Do not rush. Finish the school, save more money, save more time. It's time consuming thing. And normally all tries to rush and push that goes to unwanted complications.

Btw, what's your current height?

[Exxon]

Hello guys, I absolutely want to have surgery by the end of May until August / end of August 2022. It can be complicated because I'm only 19 years old and I don't know anything about the procedures. That's why I want to do it for next holidays, people around me will just think I got taller naturally. So I'm looking for a safe method (that allow me to fully recover and squat) and hospital that costs less than 11k € (all fees included, hotel, food, flights (I'm from france), followup visits, daily physio ...) and finally that can get me at least 6.5cm taller (no matter tibia or femur, tell me what is the safest please) (also no matter india, iran, china or anywhere else, just cheap and safe).

I saw this post about Dr Naveen Talwar, is it true and safe ?? 

I also want to know about all procedures, papers (I read about x-ray here ?? ), pain, side effect and the impact on my weightlifting and mma career (I saw someone on youtube who could squat after timblenghtening). Ty.

Don't do LON/LATN if you want to do MMA later on. Save up and go for the internals with Mahboubian. You will still have athleticism decline but not as great as LON/LATN procedure.

[SirStretchAlot]

LATN/LON scars are deep and permanent. On the tibias, they are also extremely visible.

As others have said, 3 months is when you stop lengthening, not when you can walk. 5 months at the earliest is when you can go back to school. With LON/LATN you will likely only be able to do your tibias, which means 6.5-7cm max.

I would save up 55k EUR and do internal nailing on femurs. It's safer (less likely to die from an infection), less painful, fewer scars, and you will be able to walk properly after the first week.

[Kenshiro]

Ty so much guys. I'm currently 168cm.
I did not understand one thing, MorningStar told me that "no method will allow me to walk after three months" and SirStretchalot "I would save up 55k EUR and do internal nailing on femurs. It's safer (less likely to die from an infection), less painful, fewer scars, and you will be able to walk properly after the first week." Finally, will I be able to walk after one week with internal ?? if yes, how much the cheapest one in the world cost (with all fees) ? I can try to reach 20k 25k but 50k impossible as student...

[MorningStar]

Ty so much guys. I'm currently 168cm.
I did not understand one thing, MorningStar told me that "no method will allow me to walk after three months" and SirStretchalot "I would save up 55k EUR and do internal nailing on femurs. It's safer (less likely to die from an infection), less painful, fewer scars, and you will be able to walk properly after the first week." Finally, will I be able to walk after one week with internal ?? if yes, how much the cheapest one in the world cost (with all fees) ? I can try to reach 20k 25k but 50k impossible as student...

Sorry, man, but I don't know, how to comment SirStretchalot statement. Maybe he can explain. I just can say, that at the moment, when I am writing to you, I wear frames. I am doing LATN on tibias. I can't even keep my balance while standing. I am not even talking about walking unaided. And I am 39 days after the surgery. OK, let's say I am weak as hell. This could be. But there are around 6 other guys who are doing along with me right now. 1 of them like me - LATN tibias, 5 - femur internals. They are 20-50 days after the surgery. And no of them walk unaided (I mean without walker or crutches). And actually even if in theory you could somehow walk unaided, in practice it's just too dangerous.

Btw, one thing I can asure you - femur internals are more painful than frames on tibia. Any method on femurs is more painful. Because femurs has far more muscle, vessels, nerves. But also true is that femurs heal faster. But SirStretchalot is right that femur internals gives less scars.

That's my diary: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=67949.0
That's another's guy diary, who is doing internals: http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=67810.0

[Kenshiro]

Do you think it's possible to walk without any problem after 5 months 7cm LON femurs ? are the secondary effect on athletic performance that much greater with external than internal or it's negligible and we will be able to squat 140kg after 3-4 years with external ?

[Thehighest]

Do you think it's possible to walk without any problem after 5 months 7cm LON femurs ? are the secondary effect on athletic performance that much greater with external than internal or it's negligible and we will be able to squat 140kg after 3-4 years with external ?

Dont do LON or external method in femurs, just tibia external femurs is hell, knee stiffnes, painx1000, not recommend es at all

[MorningStar]

Do you think it's possible to walk without any problem after 5 months 7cm LON femurs ? are the secondary effect on athletic performance that much greater with external than internal or it's negligible and we will be able to squat 140kg after 3-4 years with external ?

Forget about LON on femurs. That's a BS method. Believe me, that's the freakest way to torture yourself. No respectable doctor does it.  I don't even want to talk about it.
I am not a doctor but in my opinion if you do reasonable amount (let's say no more than 5-6 cm on tibias and no more than 7-8 cm on femurs) and you have no complications, then regaining your physical abilities is only the matter of time.

[yash]

Forget about LON on femurs. That's a BS method. Believe me, that's the freakest way to torture yourself. No respectable doctor does it.  I don't even want to talk about it.
I am not a doctor but in my opinion if you do reasonable amount (let's say no more than 5-6 cm on tibias and no more than 7-8 cm on femurs) and you have no complications, then regaining your physical abilities is only the matter of time.

its only bilateral femurs thats actually an  issue.. femurs lon with monorail as a part of cross lengthening is really not so uncomfortable.. apart from the initial 15 days needed to regain the normal knee flexion

[MorningStar]

its only bilateral femurs thats actually an  issue.. femurs lon with monorail as a part of cross lengthening is really not so uncomfortable.. apart from the initial 15 days needed to regain the normal knee flexion

You think so? Then you need to read Activatedxx or Jamesy998 diaries (there was more, I just don't remember). And how they regret their decision.

[yash]

You think so? Then you need to read Activatedxx or Jamesy998 diaries (there was more, I just don't remember). And how they regret their decision.

i have read their diaries, you need to read my diary and how comfortable  i am right now bro.. with bilateral femurs we just dont have the ability to sleep on the side and the only position we have is to lay flat on the bed which becomes a big issue.. this is not a problem with single femur being done as there is always a healthy femur side.. the remaining comlications that activatedxx are preventable complications. i actually should thank him for writing what could go wrong which helped me  a lot.currently  i am  at 3.5cm on femurs.

[MorningStar]

i have read their diaries, you need to read my diary and how comfortable  i am right now bro.. with bilateral femurs we just dont have the ability to sleep on the side and the only position we have is to lay flat on the bed which becomes a big issue.. this is not a problem with single femur being done as there is always a healthy femur side.. the remaining comlications that activatedxx are preventable complications. i actually should thank him for writing what could go wrong which helped me  a lot.currently  i am  at 3.5cm on femurs.

Sorry, I haven't realised that you are doing cross. Still, it's not an option for Kenshiro. He is looking for fast method. That's one of the slowest.

[yash]

Sorry, I haven't realised that you are doing cross. Still, it's not an option for Kenshiro. He is looking for fast method. That's one of the slowest.

you dont need to be sorry. we all are here to learn and share,,
true.. cross is not gonna become any faster.. but probably this is the only option for someone planning to do both tibia and femurs externally.

[Medium Drink Of Water]

Ty for yours answers mates ! What if I choose fast and cheap (11k) ? is it possible ? when I say  "fast" I mean just enough to go back to school after 3 months and walking

It's not possible.

Does LON on femur requires less time than on tibia to regain walking ?

No, since it's more traumatic to the muscles.

how much time do we have to wear the external fixator ?

However long it takes you to lengthen.  This vaires from person to person.

I did not understand your last sentence, "around 2 years" we can't do weightlifting or mma anymore after 2 years ??

I started doing weightlifting with my nails in about a year after my frame removal surgery.

Are the scares inevitable ? I read doctors that tell that the scars aren't very visible and they will disappear with time, is it true ?

Scars are inevitable.  Their visability depends on your skin and what scar treatments you get

I did not understand one thing, MorningStar told me that "no method will allow me to walk after three months"

It's possible for some people to walk after three months.  I've seen people jog with Ilizarov frames still on their tibias.  Don't expect to be one of the lucky ones though.  Most likely you'll be like the rest of us, bedridden and barely able to use a walker while you have them on.

and SirStretchalot "I would save up 55k EUR and do internal nailing on femurs. It's safer (less likely to die from an infection), less painful, fewer scars, and you will be able to walk properly after the first week."

Don't worry too much about infections from externals.  They're mild and superficial.  I didn't get one single infection in five months.  It's the internal infections you have to worry about.  They're more rare but they can be severe and dangerous.

Finally, will I be able to walk after one week with internal ??

Probably not even with Stryde, which isn't currently on the market.

if yes, how much the cheapest one in the world cost (with all fees) ? I can try to reach 20k 25k but 50k impossible as student...

50K is probably as cheap as it can get, so forget internals for now.

No problem if I have to wait 2 years to squat and fight but can I walk 3 months after surgery, go back to school without external fixators, stay 8 hours standing and without any problem as long as I don't run or lift ?

No.  This is not possible for you.  Probably not even possible for a Paley/Stryde patient who gets the best treatment in the world for ten times what you can afford.

Is LON/LATN more safier, cheaper and faster on tibia or femur ??

Same cost but tibia is definitely safer.

[Kenshiro]

Is it possible to do LON/LATN 7cm on tibia and get back to school walking properly after 6 months ?  (I can skip 1 month of school)
This guy talk about 4 months for 5cm tibia, I guess it's possible to walk correctly after 6 months for 7cm ??

[ilovescience]

Is it possible to do LON/LATN 7cm on tibia and get back to school walking properly after 6 months ?  (I can skip 1 month of school)
This guy talk about 4 months for 5cm tibia, I guess it's possible to walk correctly after 6 months for 7cm ??

Slow walking or fast walking? Sometimes I had to fast walk to catch the bus for school.

[Kenshiro]

Slow walking or fast walking? Sometimes I had to fast walk to catch the bus for school.

Common rythm walking + stairs

[ilovescience]

Common rythm walking + stairs

I wanted to show you a video


Probably three months would be enough from the video, if that's the speed you walked.

[Kenshiro]

I wanted to show you a video


Probably three months would be enough from the video, if that's the speed you walked.

BUt this is STRYDE on femur not LON/LATN on tibia 7cm

[ilovescience]

BUt this is STRYDE on femur not LON/LATN on tibia 7cm

My bad, sorry I am still learning LL. I got them mixed up.

[MorningStar]

Is it possible to do LON/LATN 7cm on tibia and get back to school walking properly after 6 months ?  (I can skip 1 month of school)
This guy talk about 4 months for 5cm tibia, I guess it's possible to walk correctly after 6 months for 7cm ??

Bro, no one knows that. Maybe. I would say more yes than no. But still. Other scenario is also possible. And the only way to know is to try. Everyone of us are different, our physiology is different. Complications occur. Doctors do mistakes (especially on your budget). That's why I am saying - don't rush, don't count mathematically like "3 months lengthening, then 3 months consolidation and I will walk to school". Wait for a moment when you have plenty of time and more money. You will need to anticipate not only some extra time "just in case", but also money.

[Activatedxx]

Hello guys, I absolutely want to have surgery by the end of May until August / end of August 2022. It can be complicated because I'm only 19 years old and I don't know anything about the procedures. That's why I want to do it for next holidays, people around me will just think I got taller naturally. So I'm looking for a safe method (that allow me to fully recover and squat) and hospital that costs less than 11k € (all fees included, hotel, food, flights (I'm from france), followup visits, daily physio ...) and finally that can get me at least 6.5cm taller (no matter tibia or femur, tell me what is the safest please) (also no matter india, iran, china or anywhere else, just cheap and safe).

I saw this post about Dr Naveen Talwar, is it true and safe ?? 

I also want to know about all procedures, papers (I read about x-ray here ?? ), pain, side effect and the impact on my weightlifting and mma career (I saw someone on youtube who could squat after timblenghtening). Ty.

This video is of a guy who had a discrepancy and did LL on one leg. Doesn’t count, completely different from cosmetic

You’re smoking crack if you think you can walk to school after 3 months.
If you do small amount maybe, 4-5 months. 6.5cm on tibia will require 6months probably
I wouldn’t recommend dr.buldu from my personal experience, but maybe consider dr.inaam in turkey. Will need 16-18k usd. Russia/parihar India is only other option for your budget 11-15 usd

[Growing]

Hello guys, I absolutely want to have surgery by the end of May until August / end of August 2022. It can be complicated because I'm only 19 years old and I don't know anything about the procedures. That's why I want to do it for next holidays, people around me will just think I got taller naturally. So I'm looking for a safe method (that allow me to fully recover and squat) and hospital that costs less than 11k € (all fees included, hotel, food, flights (I'm from france), followup visits, daily physio ...) and finally that can get me at least 6.5cm taller (no matter tibia or femur, tell me what is the safest please) (also no matter india, iran, china or anywhere else, just cheap and safe).

I saw this post about Dr Naveen Talwar, is it true and safe ?? 

I also want to know about all procedures, papers (I read about x-ray here ?? ), pain, side effect and the impact on my weightlifting and mma career (I saw someone on youtube who could squat after timblenghtening). Ty.

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