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[SpeedDialer]

Let's say you do internal femur and internal tibias with Precise 2.2 with Giotikas. You stay in Greece for some amount of time to do this (?how many months? 8 months total?)?

You want to do a hair transplant while you are in Athens, Greece because it seems like it will cheaper to do it in Athens, Greece than in USA (I'm a USA citizen)

1. Medically speaking, what time in those 8 months (or w/e time frame) should you do the hair transplant surgery? Ex: too difficult to do it early on/should you do it right before you are fully recovered?

2. How would you get the bloodwork/lab tests for hair transplant done if you were in Athens, Greece? The problem is that some hair transplant doctors requires the bloodwork/lab tests to be done within 1 month of the surgery, meaning I can't use my USA health insurance to cover the costs.

3. Unless I do the hair transplant within like a month of coming to Greece, but is that a  ty idea from the standpoint of too much stress on your body at one time?

4. Is this a  ty idea/what alternatives would you consider? I could do a hair transplant after in my hometown in USA but I imagine it would cost more

[SirStretchAlot]

So you're short and bald? 

Giotikas advises you stay for at least 3 months or until lengthening ends. That's when complications occur, and you'll be able to master your physio routine.

Hair transplant in Greece is about half the price of US, around 2-5k Euro depending on how much grafting you need. You can do it as soon as you're off Xeralto (blood thinner), which is 2 weeks after surgery.

There are very few generic insurance policies that will cover LL or hair transplants, especially overseas. 3 months is enough to get both done.

[SpeedDialer]

Thanks!!! What were your experiences in Greece like?

[LLprime3]

If you do a hair transplant, keep the following things in mind:

- the implanted hair is thicker, if you implant it near a place where hair is thin, or is becoming thin, it can become a visible contrast i n a few years
- hair transplantation is best done only at the front top (not at the sides, not at the intersection from top to side or at the back) The amount of grafts you can use is just enough to cover that part properly without taking out too much hair
- the implanted grafts are being inserted perpendicularly (90° to the surface), and because the hair is thick and firm, you can not comb that hair to make it flat at all

- give the grafts about 3 weeks to heal before doing something like LL
- the final result of the hair transplantation takes about a year to fully show, until then the hair falls out of the grafts somewhat often before it grows and stays firmly like normal hair. During that time people will see for a few months that you had a hair transplantation done

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

I heard hair transplant is temporarily effective and baldness is essentially incurable.

[SpeedDialer]

"- the implanted grafts are being inserted perpendicularly (90° to the surface), and because the hair is thick and firm, you can not comb that hair to make it flat at all"

Ah. What are your options for that hair then? Have to pomade or hair gel it down if its on the sides/temples?

[SpeedDialer]

"Hair transplant in Greece is about half the price of US, around 2-5k Euro depending on how much grafting you need"

What are your thoughts on the hair transplant doctors in Athens, Greece / which to go with?

[LLprime3]

"- the implanted grafts are being inserted perpendicularly (90° to the surface), and because the hair is thick and firm, you can not comb that hair to make it flat at all"

Ah. What are your options for that hair then? Have to pomade or hair gel it down if its on the sides/temples?

I would just choose the spots where your hair naturally grows to the upside and avoid the sides altogether. You can at least get a nice front style, better than not even having that going for you.

[SpeedDialer]

What is the realistic time frame to do internals of both femur and tibia with Giotikas with precise 2.2? I am trying to do the surgery like September 1st of 2022.

I am trying to figure out when I should do these things in the timeline:

1. online consultation w/ Giotimas

2. In person consultation, how soon does it need to be.

3. Getting bloodwork/tests to make sure I'm ready for surgery.

4. When to start first precise surgery

5. When to start second precise sugery

6. When is the best time to do the hair transplant in Athens

7. When I can reasonably expect to be done with everything and flying back to USA

My budget is like 150k$ ish in USD, I'm just trying to make sure I budget enough time for everything

[Shatter. Gee. 11]

I heard hair transplant is temporarily effective and baldness is essentially incurable.

Much more complex than that. Hair follicle sensitivity can not be predicted. It is genetic. Someone might lose 30% of all his hair between the ages 15 and 18. But, after that may be stable till the age 50. Then suddenly lose 50% more of his hair in 3 years from age 50 to 53. Nobody can predict.

So the patient after hair transplant should be on anti androgens or 5alphareductaseblockers. You never know when you're going bald and when you're stable. It is a slow and progressive condition. There is no cure as such but someone who understands the whole thing and is willing to take medicines need not worry.

[Shatter. Gee. 11]

What is the realistic time frame to do internals of both femur and tibia with Giotikas with precise 2.2? I am trying to do the surgery like September 1st of 2022.

I am trying to figure out when I should do these things in the timeline:

1. online consultation w/ Giotimas

2. In person consultation, how soon does it need to be.

3. Getting bloodwork/tests to make sure I'm ready for surgery.

4. When to start first precise surgery

5. When to start second precise sugery

6. When is the best time to do the hair transplant in Athens

7. When I can reasonably expect to be done with everything and flying back to USA

My budget is like 150k$ ish in USD, I'm just trying to make sure I budget enough time for everything

You can go to ant doc you want to go to. But please at least go to turkey for hair transplant. India is a good option too but top docs charge almost just as much as turkey guys do. So it doesn't make too much of a difference. But I don't see the point of going to Greece for HT and CLL. Why not go to shahab or something? If you want to do it in a budget come to India. Ultra cheap and no you won't get Ebola and cancer here. Just avoid the streets. We don't eat on streets here.

[SpeedDialer]

Ah so the issue is this.

1. I don't think Parihar allows patients to do internals back to back. Ex: I don't think he allows someone to do internal tibia, wait a month, then do internal femur. But Giotikas does. So that is one reason to go with Giotikas. Am I mistaken?

2. Shahab too expensive for my budget to do internal femur and tibia

3. Going to Turkey for hair transplant seems like an additional flight ticket, is the cost of that worth it versus Greece? Are Turkey doctors that much better than doctors in Athens, Greece?

[SpeedDialer]

For Parihar, do you need to do an in person consultation before the surgery or can you do a virtual one and have your doctor send xrays/blood tests/etc?

[Shatter. Gee. 11]

For Parihar, do you need to do an in person consultation before the surgery or can you do a virtual one and have your doctor send xrays/blood tests/etc?

I have talked to him. You can do a virtual consultation before the surgery, get the surgery done, but during the lengthening period you must be present. He won't let you go back to your country and send xrays. Idk, but that is what he told me. Send him an email and ask him. info@bonedocs.in

[Shatter. Gee. 11]

Ah so the issue is this.

1. I don't think Parihar allows patients to do internals back to back. Ex: I don't think he allows someone to do internal tibia, wait a month, then do internal femur. But Giotikas does. So that is one reason to go with Giotikas. Am I mistaken?

Anyone who lets you lengthen that fast is probably not thinking about your health that much. If you end up causing a deformity that is gonna cause a   ton of problems. Not worth the risk. Do it only if someone like Paley or rozburg is doing it. Not some unknown Greece guy.

I'd suggest turkey over Greece. This giotik guy was nowhere to be seen. He just blew up after the interview I think. I couldn't find anything fancy on his resume. I'd suggest buldu over him tbh. At least we have many buldu diaries.

[SpeedDialer]

Paley does allow back to back https://limblengthening.org/lengthening-strategies/

[Shatter. Gee. 11]

Paley does allow back to back https://limblengthening.org/lengthening-strategies/

Like I said, go to only Paley or rozburg if you plan on doing it 1 month apart. Not some Greece guy

[Arcon]

I think Giotikas is one of the safest and most competitive options. He has good reviews here and he worked for many years in Cambridge and Oxford which are two of the most renowned universities in the UK and the world. Imo he is the only doctor outside the US who can directly compete Paley and Rozbruch on safety and work ethics.

[Shatter. Gee. 11]

Giotikas is one of the safest and most competitive options. He worked for many years in Cambridge and Oxford which are two of the most renowned universities in the UK and the world. Imo he is the only doctor outside the US who can directly compete Paley and Rozbruch on safety and work ethics.

He did? Then he's certainly better than buldu and Parihar.

[KiloKAHN]

He did? Then he's certainly better than buldu and Parihar.

I don't know about Dr Buldu, but Dr Parihar has almost 20 years of experience over Giotikas in leg lengthening and also had medical training in England in addition to his fellowship with Paley.

[Body Builder]

I don't know about Dr Buldu, but Dr Parihar has almost 20 years of experience over Giotikas in leg lengthening and also had medical training in England in addition to his fellowship with Paley.

Still with his prices for a third world country like India is a very important reason for someone in the west to not even think about him compared to Giotikas.

[Shatter. Gee. 11]

Still with his prices for a third world country like India is a very important reason for someone in the west to not even think about him compared to Giotikas.

I'm from India. It isn't that bad. There is poor India and rich India. Stay in rich India. Get yourself a good hotel, don't eat on streets, stay indoors. It's not that bad. I'm pretty sure the guys who get virus or fever or something eat out in some poor backward street place. Many whites come and live here without a problem. At least I've seen many in calcutta. Many of them eat things that even we don't eat yet don't seem to have a problem.

But yes Parihar's hospital can be used as the set for the next scary movie part. I've seen the pics. Looks scary.

[Shatter. Gee. 11]

I don't know about Dr Buldu, but Dr Parihar has almost 20 years of experience over Giotikas in leg lengthening and also had medical training in England in addition to his fellowship with Paley.

I am not paid by Parihar or something but in India docs of his field genuinely respect him. At least based on what I have been told. I have a relative that he operated on. Onr leg ssue (idk what it's called). He's not a moneymaking  , that I can guarantee. Idk.

I'd suggest people to avoid buldu. If the great butcher sarin says something is risky that means it legit is risky. He told me he wont allow more than 5 on femur using externals. Yet buldu lengthens 7.5 cm there? I'd now trust sarin over buldu tbh.

[SpeedDialer]

"I don't know about Dr Buldu, but Dr Parihar has almost 20 years of experience over Giotikas in leg lengthening and also had medical training in England in addition to his fellowship with Paley."

Yeah hm that does seem like a pretty good reason to go w/ Parihar. Does he limit femurs to 6 cm? I think he limits tibias to 6 cm, not sure if he limits femur to 7cm. I vaguely remember Giotikas is willing to do 7cm for femur

[SpeedDialer]

I got some kind of stomach bug that lasted for a few days. Happened after I ate some ice cream from an outdoor cooler. That was definitely not fun.

Didn't get malaria. Although my doctor made me take some anti-malaria pills starting a week before my flight I think.

[Shatter. Gee. 11]

"I don't know about Dr Buldu, but Dr Parihar has almost 20 years of experience over Giotikas in leg lengthening and also had medical training in England in addition to his fellowship with Paley."

Yeah hm that does seem like a pretty good reason to go w/ Parihar. Does he limit femurs to 6 cm? I think he limits tibias to 6 cm, not sure if he limits femur to 7cm. I vaguely remember Giotikas is willing to do 7cm for femur

Femur(precise) he allows 7.5. He was talking about it. Watch cyborg's interview. 6 is his limit for tibia although he does allow more if things are going well

[Shatter. Gee. 11]

" I'm pretty sure the guys who get virus or fever or something eat out in some poor backward street place"

Kilokhan and anold forum member got malaria I think. Not sure they were in Mumbai though. Uncertain if they went to backward street places

Malaria? It still happens? I thought it used to be a thing back in 1970's. I have never even seen someone getting malaria in my entire life. Is it some immunity that we have or something? Idk.

[SpeedDialer]

"I got some kind of stomach bug that lasted for a few days. Happened after I ate some ice cream from an outdoor cooler. That was definitely not fun."

Thank you!!!! So ice cream and food in general from outdoor coolers are not a good idea to eat in Mumbai? Anything else a foreigner should avoid?

[KiloKAHN]

"I got some kind of stomach bug that lasted for a few days. Happened after I ate some ice cream from an outdoor cooler. That was definitely not fun."

Thank you!!!! So ice cream and food in general from outdoor coolers are not a good idea to eat in Mumbai? Anything else a foreigner should avoid?

Just avoid the street food and you should be okay. My main issue was getting used to the spices they put in so many things afterward, so sometimes I would order from Dominos.

[SpeedDialer]

Thank you!!!

So food from dominoes or other restaurant names an American would recognize are safe? What other restaurants did you think were safe and healthy?