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[Digital Hitler]

being a 5'4 male has ruined my life. no friends and no girlfriend because of exactly this problem
statistically about %3 of girls would accept a 5'4 man. and them girls are probably landwhales. i cant fk fat girls man, I especially since I take such care of my body. all my dad fks is fat low value women (including my mom)

old friends literally said it was my height to me on why they ditched me. they were a bunch of lads all 6ft+, some even 6'4. so i looked silly next to them and they told me girls also told them this so I can understand the drift.

ive met like 7-8 girls in the last year (without telling them my height). All of them when they first met me, mentioned my lack of height as their first words or within the first minute of conversation. they mention it in a very negative way. before I meet them,  on facetime they're all happy and into me and seem like they like me(i have decent personality and ok face so thats probably why) but when they see my height they just dont want anything to do with me and some made excuses to go home straight away. but every single other one just didnt reply once they get home.

so ive pretty much given up at this point. also people who are short are statistically a lot less likely to be making a lot of money. so basically every odd is against me. i have no relationship with anyone and no family that love me or that I can speak to so I've ended up living in a homeless shelter in the UK. every other person in the shared house smokes crack and injects heroin. its like my parents just birthed me into the existence then ditched me and left me in this   short body that I didnt ask for.

I am making an effort to improve my life- i just got a digital marketing job + i go to mma + gym + I try to take care of my looks, regular haircuts, sunbeds etc. but my height is really holding me back.

If I ever did get enough money to get leg lengthening surgery, would I still be able to train legs in the gym and would I still be able to do MMA and kickboxing? They're literally the only things I've got in life and I wouldnt like to lose them in return for adding 3 inches of height. but I wouldnt mind a year off + intense physiothrapy.

Also what can I do to cope while I try to make enough money to get the surgery? I hate my life;being not respected at all, having no social life, and no girlfriend. my existence is dreadful   (im not even depressed, its just the truth) but im hopeful for the future and i think this surgery could change my life

[trunkmonkey]

Reading other diary's I'd imagine it will likely be more than just 1 year of recovery until you get back to MMA and when you finally can start it will he a long time til you can match your pre surgery performance. Could be several years in the end.

Eventually though you should be able to return to those activities. Sweden got the surgery and after a long while he got back to competing in some form of martial arts, but it seemed he regretted the surgery early on due to slow progress.

Keep in mind I don't speak from experience. You can do your research on user journals here to see if the process is right for you.

As for how you can cope, you should try to get some friends. Having no social life can make people of any height depressed. Height shouldn't be a very limiting factor there, it sounds like your previous friends were just cruel.

[Digital Hitler]

thanks for the reply, its nice to see someone did get back into competiting in martial arts afterwards. i wouldnt mind doing 1-3 years of building up to pre surgery performance. as long as i get to a decent height and can defend myself, not massively bothered about competing.

yeah i suppose no friends could make any one depressed. i havent really met anyone in gym or mma that i get along with massively.
I dont know how else I could make friends tbh. i feel like other men wouldnt really want to be friends with me cos its kinda low status to be friends with a 5'4 guy. i feel like i dont fit in anywhere. cos even nerds are all tall

[RB]

I was your height before surgery and while I acknowledge it’s more difficult to date (making friends was never an issue), it is not impossible at all. I’ve had 3 long term gfs and multiple casual flings including my current who supported me through LL and they are certainly not land whales lol in fact my current gf is always told how beautiful she is by random people. I do agree that 5’4 is a difficult height for anyone though and at that height you have to work 10 times harder than the average man to secure a nice looking gf, job promotion etc but it can be done.

What I would recommend is to improve your life as much as possible dating, social and career wise before surgery so that when you do it, it will add to your already great life rather than relying on LL to be the sole factor that improves your life. Being 5’7 is a huge difference to 5’4 I can definitely say that but it will be much more beneficial to do this when everything else in your life is going fairly well.

I am also a blue belt in BJJ and it will probably take me at least 1-1.5 years post surgery to be able to even think of starting to train again.

Feel free to ask any questions and hope this helps.

[ilovescience]

I was your height before surgery and while I acknowledge it’s more difficult to date (making friends was never an issue), it is not impossible at all. I’ve had 3 long term gfs and multiple casual flings including my current who supported me through LL and they are certainly not land whales lol in fact my current gf is always told how beautiful she is by random people. I do agree that 5’4 is a difficult height for anyone though and at that height you have to work 10 times harder than the average man to secure a nice looking gf, job promotion etc but it can be done.

What I would recommend is to improve your life as much as possible dating, social and career wise before surgery so that when you do it, it will add to your already great life rather than relying on LL to be the sole factor that improves your life. Being 5’7 is a huge difference to 5’4 I can definitely say that but it will be much more beneficial to do this when everything else in your life is going fairly well.

I am also a blue belt in BJJ and it will probably take me at least 1-1.5 years post surgery to be able to even think of starting to train again.

Feel free to ask any questions and hope this helps.

Just wondering though. Securing a nice looking gf, I understood. Job promotion with height? Do you mean the taller you are, the easier you get job promotion? Why? Thanks.

[RB]

Just wondering though. Securing a nice looking gf, I understood. Job promotion with height? Do you mean the taller you are, the easier you get job promotion? Why? Thanks.

I just mean in general, the taller you are the more authority you naturally display (not all tall guys though) so for things like management positions, there is a subconscious bias to promote taller people into management positions whereas a short guy with equal skill will have to work harder, prove themselves more to gain the same position as people relate leadership ability with stature on a biological, subconscious level. This is just a general rule though as I have seen my fair share of short men in management positions, including myself. On a high level though, there is a statistic that over 60% of Fortune 500 CEO's are over 6ft. So there is certainly some height bias there. Other factors for this include increased confidence, perception of ability etc for those who are over 6ft so that plays a factor too.

As a short man you can achieve great things. Although you will generally have to put in a much higher level of effort to achieve the same thing as an equally capable tall man.

[donnyrick]

Honestly depends on which LL method. But u rgonna have to sacrifice ur mma. Especially kickboxing. Cuz u can snap ur tibia.

[Megatron]

being a 5'4 male has ruined my life. no friends and no girlfriend because of exactly this problem
statistically about %3 of girls would accept a 5'4 man. and them girls are probably landwhales. i cant fk fat girls man, I especially since I take such care of my body. all my dad fks is fat low value women (including my mom)

old friends literally said it was my height to me on why they ditched me. they were a bunch of lads all 6ft+, some even 6'4. so i looked silly next to them and they told me girls also told them this so I can understand the drift.

ive met like 7-8 girls in the last year (without telling them my height). All of them when they first met me, mentioned my lack of height as their first words or within the first minute of conversation. they mention it in a very negative way. before I meet them,  on facetime they're all happy and into me and seem like they like me(i have decent personality and ok face so thats probably why) but when they see my height they just dont want anything to do with me and some made excuses to go home straight away. but every single other one just didnt reply once they get home.

so ive pretty much given up at this point. also people who are short are statistically a lot less likely to be making a lot of money. so basically every odd is against me. i have no relationship with anyone and no family that love me or that I can speak to so I've ended up living in a homeless shelter in the UK. every other person in the shared house smokes crack and injects heroin. its like my parents just birthed me into the existence then ditched me and left me in this   short body that I didnt ask for.

I am making an effort to improve my life- i just got a digital marketing job + i go to mma + gym + I try to take care of my looks, regular haircuts, sunbeds etc. but my height is really holding me back.

If I ever did get enough money to get leg lengthening surgery, would I still be able to train legs in the gym and would I still be able to do MMA and kickboxing? They're literally the only things I've got in life and I wouldnt like to lose them in return for adding 3 inches of height. but I wouldnt mind a year off + intense physiothrapy.

Also what can I do to cope while I try to make enough money to get the surgery? I hate my life;being not respected at all, having no social life, and no girlfriend. my existence is dreadful   (im not even depressed, its just the truth) but im hopeful for the future and i think this surgery could change my life

I really hope you're a troll because if this is a serious post its really pathetic you think like this. Calling fat women whales, coming up with bull  statistics of 3 percent woman like 5'4 guys. Your height is the reason why no one likes you? Maybe you're an   thats more likely why no one likes you sis.

[DonBones]

being a 5'4 male has ruined my life. no friends and no girlfriend because of exactly this problem
statistically about %3 of girls would accept a 5'4 man. and them girls are probably landwhales. i cant fk fat girls man, I especially since I take such care of my body. all my dad fks is fat low value women (including my mom)

old friends literally said it was my height to me on why they ditched me. they were a bunch of lads all 6ft+, some even 6'4. so i looked silly next to them and they told me girls also told them this so I can understand the drift.

ive met like 7-8 girls in the last year (without telling them my height). All of them when they first met me, mentioned my lack of height as their first words or within the first minute of conversation. they mention it in a very negative way. before I meet them,  on facetime they're all happy and into me and seem like they like me(i have decent personality and ok face so thats probably why) but when they see my height they just dont want anything to do with me and some made excuses to go home straight away. but every single other one just didnt reply once they get home.

so ive pretty much given up at this point. also people who are short are statistically a lot less likely to be making a lot of money. so basically every odd is against me. i have no relationship with anyone and no family that love me or that I can speak to so I've ended up living in a homeless shelter in the UK. every other person in the shared house smokes crack and injects heroin. its like my parents just birthed me into the existence then ditched me and left me in this   short body that I didnt ask for.

I am making an effort to improve my life- i just got a digital marketing job + i go to mma + gym + I try to take care of my looks, regular haircuts, sunbeds etc. but my height is really holding me back.

If I ever did get enough money to get leg lengthening surgery, would I still be able to train legs in the gym and would I still be able to do MMA and kickboxing? They're literally the only things I've got in life and I wouldnt like to lose them in return for adding 3 inches of height. but I wouldnt mind a year off + intense physiothrapy.

Also what can I do to cope while I try to make enough money to get the surgery? I hate my life;being not respected at all, having no social life, and no girlfriend. my existence is dreadful   (im not even depressed, its just the truth) but im hopeful for the future and i think this surgery could change my life

1. Betz patients start going to the gym on day 2 after the surgery. Is it fun? Absolutely f* not. But it's a start and from there you slowly work your way up in terms of weights etc.

2. You can get back to MMA at some point, but after going through this surgery your opinion on putting your body at risk of injury will change, trust me. You will appreciate your body much more. MMA seems like an important thing right now, but it likely won't be when push comes to shove.

3. I hope I won't offend you, but your problems quite clearly aren't just height related. You said yourself you live in a homeless shelter, your parents shunned you and those things likely resulted in you developing a negative worldview and a rather rude demeanour that will put many people off. The reason I am so sure about this is because I know people your height who have friends, good jobs and girlfriends. Whilst they have to work hard, they're all positive and driven, which is very important too. While you wait for the surgery, my advice to you is - start with the "land-whales". At the very least you will gain some confidence which is invaluable, and who knows maybe you will realise it is not so bad after all.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

i have decent personality and ok face so thats probably why

You gotta be making jokes LMAO cuz I saw you had insulted your mom as a fat low value woman and your post was riddled with horrendous negative emotions and extremism theories,such as you got several friends who were on purpose spitting out aggressive words concerning your height and tolding you girls hate short men.
I dunno how come you got homeless.Was that because your parents had cast u away from your original home or was just that you hated your parents so you left home?I don't mean to figure out the exact reason but all you gotta know is after surgeries,you have to be mentally ready for enervated athleticism and scars on your legs.
I'm wondering how you will collect enough money for LL since you're just living in a shared house surrounded by crackheads.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

I really hope you're a troll because if this is a serious post its really pathetic you think like this. Calling fat women whales, coming up with bull  statistics of 3 percent woman like 5'4 guys. Your height is the reason why no one likes you? Maybe you're an   thats more likely why no one likes you sis.

I think he is just a networm misled by incel statics and so-called 'sociological' surveys,that is to say,he can't dialectically contemplate on everything and all he has got are incel statics and conclusions.
If apart from being short,he is also ugly(you gotta adopt others' comments on your appearance),poor,negative,distorted and so on,then I can see why only 3% women will fall in love with him and I reckon even 3% is an exaggeration.
Also sociological surverys are just pieces of compressed bs cuz we cannot assure if there are any exaggerations invovled in them and on Internet there are high possibilities that stloads of ulterior motions are meaning to pick out special samples to inform you of how upset,how happy,how promising,how motivative and how 'how' samples are concerning one topic,served for incels,extremists,racisms,Christians,and also,politicians.
I really had enough of conclusions such as only few women will fall in love with short men,or short men are less intelligent than tall men,or short men are doomed to be poorer than tall guys and bluh bluh.

[Digital Hitler]

'As a short man you can achieve great things. Although you will generally have to put in a much higher level of effort to achieve the same thing as an equally capable tall man. '

This is what I feel every day and it depresses me. especially when you grow up with tall friends and see how much easier and better their life is, compared to mine.

[Digital Hitler]

How am I an ass cos I called fat women land whales on an internet forum with no women on it. are you a feminist or something

[Digital Hitler]

1. Betz patients start going to the gym on day 2 after the surgery. Is it fun? Absolutely f* not. But it's a start and from there you slowly work your way up in terms of weights etc.

wow which surgery method is that?

2. You can get back to MMA at some point, but after going through this surgery your opinion on putting your body at risk of injury will change, trust me. You will appreciate your body much more. MMA seems like an important thing right now, but it likely won't be when push comes to shove.

I see what your saying but I feel like MMA and gym gives me a purpose, makes me feel like a man, makes me cooler, gives me the ability to beat other men if i need to. idk if id sacrifice that for height :/

3. I hope I won't offend you, but your problems quite clearly aren't just height related. You said yourself you live in a homeless shelter, your parents shunned you and those things likely resulted in you developing a negative worldview and a rather rude demeanour that will put many people off. The reason I am so sure about this is because I know people your height who have friends, good jobs and girlfriends. Whilst they have to work hard, they're all positive and driven, which is very important too. While you wait for the surgery, my advice to you is - start with the "land-whales". At the very least you will gain some confidence which is invaluable, and who knows maybe you will realise it is not so bad after all.

It was because I have resentment for my mom mainly on why i moved out. for giving me this   life. and she also hates me.

apologies for the 'landwhales statement' i dont usually refer to women like that, its just the internet.

[Digital Hitler]

'You gotta be making jokes LMAO cuz I saw you had insulted your mom as a fat low value woman and your post was riddled with horrendous negative emotions and extremism theories,such as you got several friends who were on purpose spitting out aggressive words concerning your height and tolding you girls hate short men.
I dunno how come you got homeless.Was that because your parents had cast u away from your original home or was just that you hated your parents so you left home?I don't mean to figure out the exact reason but all you gotta know is after surgeries,you have to be mentally ready for enervated athleticism and scars on your legs.
I'm wondering how you will collect enough money for LL since you're just living in a shared house surrounded by crackheads.'

yeah i said shes a fat low value woman because she is. she got with a genetic dead end(my dad) (bald and 5'4). then cheated on him so he left. so now i was just left with her. and she taught me absolutely nothing about life, made me into the biggest low value pussy of a man possible, it almost feels like she did it on purpose. (until i started to understand life and become less of a pussy). and she barely fed me my entire life. i was a literal broomstick my entire life and all of the food she did feed me was just frozen processed freezer   or sweets, chocolate and crisps. that is what you call a low value woman who has basically set me up for failure in life genetically and for the last 18 years .
i dont mind having scars on my legs. im more bothered about the athleticiism though :/
and I have a job now so I am saving for LL & working most days on my business so hopefully that will eventually make me enough money for LL


'I think he is just a networm misled by incel statics and so-called 'sociological' surveys,that is to say,he can't dialectically contemplate on everything and all he has got are incel statics and conclusions.
If apart from being short,he is also ugly(you gotta adopt others' comments on your appearance),poor,negative,distorted and so on,then I can see why only 3% women will fall in love with him and I reckon even 3% is an exaggeration.
Also sociological surverys are just pieces of compressed bs cuz we cannot assure if there are any exaggerations invovled in them and on Internet there are high possibilities that stloads of ulterior motions are meaning to pick out special samples to inform you of how upset,how happy,how promising,how motivative and how 'how' samples are concerning one topic,served for incels,extremists,racisms,Christians,and also,politicians.
I really had enough of conclusions such as only few women will fall in love with short men,or short men are less intelligent than tall men,or short men are doomed to be poorer than tall guys and bluh bluh.'
tbh i do spend a lot of time on the internet and them incel statistics about height etc have made me even more insecure. but they are statistics which mean they are the literal truth.
I'd say im reasonable ok looking, especially when I put some effort into getting a tan etc. its just my height that holds me back.

[ilovescience]

'As a short man you can achieve great things. Although you will generally have to put in a much higher level of effort to achieve the same thing as an equally capable tall man. '

This is what I feel every day and it depresses me. especially when you grow up with tall friends and see how much easier and better their life is, compared to mine.

I hope every country treats short people with the same respect as they treat tall people. Everyone regardless of their looks deserves equal chances to compete and make money.

[HateLAPELoveSTEM]

'You gotta be making jokes LMAO cuz I saw you had insulted your mom as a fat low value woman and your post was riddled with horrendous negative emotions and extremism theories,such as you got several friends who were on purpose spitting out aggressive words concerning your height and tolding you girls hate short men.
I dunno how come you got homeless.Was that because your parents had cast u away from your original home or was just that you hated your parents so you left home?I don't mean to figure out the exact reason but all you gotta know is after surgeries,you have to be mentally ready for enervated athleticism and scars on your legs.
I'm wondering how you will collect enough money for LL since you're just living in a shared house surrounded by crackheads.'

yeah i said shes a fat low value woman because she is. she got with a genetic dead end(my dad) (bald and 5'4). then cheated on him so he left. so now i was just left with her. and she taught me absolutely nothing about life, made me into the biggest low value pussy of a man possible, it almost feels like she did it on purpose. (until i started to understand life and become less of a pussy). and she barely fed me my entire life. i was a literal broomstick my entire life and all of the food she did feed me was just frozen processed freezer   or sweets, chocolate and crisps. that is what you call a low value woman who has basically set me up for failure in life genetically and for the last 18 years .
i dont mind having scars on my legs. im more bothered about the athleticiism though :/
and I have a job now so I am saving for LL & working most days on my business so hopefully that will eventually make me enough money for LL


'I think he is just a networm misled by incel statics and so-called 'sociological' surveys,that is to say,he can't dialectically contemplate on everything and all he has got are incel statics and conclusions.
If apart from being short,he is also ugly(you gotta adopt others' comments on your appearance),poor,negative,distorted and so on,then I can see why only 3% women will fall in love with him and I reckon even 3% is an exaggeration.
Also sociological surverys are just pieces of compressed bs cuz we cannot assure if there are any exaggerations invovled in them and on Internet there are high possibilities that stloads of ulterior motions are meaning to pick out special samples to inform you of how upset,how happy,how promising,how motivative and how 'how' samples are concerning one topic,served for incels,extremists,racisms,Christians,and also,politicians.
I really had enough of conclusions such as only few women will fall in love with short men,or short men are less intelligent than tall men,or short men are doomed to be poorer than tall guys and bluh bluh.'
tbh i do spend a lot of time on the internet and them incel statistics about height etc have made me even more insecure. but they are statistics which mean they are the literal truth.
I'd say im reasonable ok looking, especially when I put some effort into getting a tan etc. its just my height that holds me back.

First of all I'm taking pity on being natal with such a casual and undiligent mom but you are being a male chauvinism at the same time and although she was lazy with treating you well but at least she was feeding something on you so it's a disgrace of her to have you insult her like that,and it was also ridiculous.
Also I suggest quitting spending much time on Internet to be brainwashed with misleading incel statics and theories cuz sociological statics and theories especially on Internet could've been manipulated and fabricated.I think it's of no use to explain this piece of common knowledge.Just think it twice and you'll figure out why.
Anyway I'm hyping you for this surgery since you're collecting money with hard works and that's inspiring and admirable.

[GrowANut]

I can see your struggle bro if you got the $ I'd get 3 inches and not stress about height for the rest of your life but regarding doing mma it'd be mad risky and you'll lose some athleticism after this surgery.

[SirStretchAlot]

1) Sorry you drew the short straw on mom's. Not getting enough nutrition could have been a contributing factor to your height. People generally outgrow their parents. However, you shouldn't dwell on the past. You can't change moms or dads. Get a job, save up for LL and change your life for the better.

2) I would consider giving up on MMA, Kickboxing or any other contact sports. Longer bones are more likely to fracture due to torque. Your dating life will change due to LL which I think will improve your life more than MMA.

[GrowANut]

1) Sorry you drew the short straw on mom's. Not getting enough nutrition could have been a contributing factor to your height. People generally outgrow their parents. However, you shouldn't dwell on the past. You can't change moms or dads. Get a job, save up for LL and change your life for the better.

2) I would consider giving up on MMA, Kickboxing or any other contact sports. Longer bones are more likely to fracture due to torque. Your dating life will change due to LL which I think will improve your life more than MMA.

100% agree.